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StillDtruth claims that God Almighty calls Jesus God but Jesus is not the Almighty God in Hebrews 1:8. He claims that The angels worship Jesus who is not the Almighty God. Is he correct?

tctrills
StillDtruth
Dtruthspeaker
Emusan
Immaculatesense
Janosky
MaxInDHouse
Steep
Aemmyjah
doffman
cornelboy
Westerhoffe
Everyday247
gohf
Kobojunkie
Ken4Christ
Gabrielshow24

Your contribution to his claims are welcome.

Walahi talahi you get time to waste.

So StillDTruth, true2God, DTruthSpeaker and other monikers he's using interchangeably that you are taking seriously like this?

😬

See person wey you follow dey yarn:

Adam and Eve never got lawfully married.
https://www.nairaland.com/8179357/adam-eve-never-got-lawfully
Men belong to God women belong to Devil
https://www.nairaland.com/8361434/men-belong-god-women-belong
It is wrong to say Adam and Eve
https://www.nairaland.com/8326327/see-how-blame-men-started
Why women hate men and children.
https://www.nairaland.com/8316478/now-see-why-women-hate
The evil women can not do does not exist
https://www.nairaland.com/8273590/evil-women-not-does-not
God hates women and does not easily talk to them.
https://www.nairaland.com/8305216/see-why-god-hates-women
Satan is Cain's father not Day.
https://www.nairaland.com/7929942/math-7-16-shows-us

Truthseeker10:
StillDtruth claims that God Almighty calls Jesus God but Jesus is not the Almighty God in Hebrews 1:8. He claims that The angels worship Jesus who is not the Almighty God. Is he correct?

tctrills
StillDtruth
Dtruthspeaker
Emusan
Immaculatesense
Janosky
MaxInDHouse
Steep
Aemmyjah
doffman
cornelboy
Westerhoffe
Everyday247
gohf
Kobojunkie
Ken4Christ
Gabrielshow24

Your contribution to his claims are welcome.

His point is the position of the scriptures sir.
If a goat calls itself the son of a man, it means that goat is claiming to be a man.
Jesus said he is the son of God thereby making himself equal with God (John 5:18)
John 5:18
[18]So the Jewish leaders tried all the harder to find a way to kill him. For he not only broke the Sabbath, he called God his Father, [/b]thereby making himself equal with God.[b]

Therefore Jesus is god in his nature and essence lower and inferior only to the Father who alone is the One and True God of all.

Thanks.

What kind useless question be dis?

MaxInDHouse:
See person you dey follow dey yarn:

Adam and Eve never got lawfully married.
https://www.nairaland.com/8179357/adam-eve-never-got-lawfully
Men belong to God women belong to Devil
https://www.nairaland.com/8361434/men-belong-god-women-belong
It is wrong to say Adam and Eve
https://www.nairaland.com/8326327/see-how-blame-men-started
Why women hate men and children.
https://www.nairaland.com/8316478/now-see-why-women-hate
The evil women can not do does not exist
https://www.nairaland.com/8273590/evil-women-not-does-not
God hates women and does not easily talk to them.
https://www.nairaland.com/8305216/see-why-god-hates-women
Satan is Cain's father not Day.
https://www.nairaland.com/7929942/math-7-16-shows-us

U fit research Sha!

MightySparrow:
U fit research Sha!

"A good man brings good out of the good treasure of his heart, but a wicked man brings what is wicked out of his wicked treasure; for out of the heart’s abundance his mouth speaks" Luke 6:45

It's out of the riches of your wisdom that you can speak so if someone raised such threads i already know what is contained in his brains there's no need bothering myself with such a person.

I'm sorry that's why i often ignores you too because i've not seen anything worthwhile in your posts!

I wish this argument does not surface on this platform again. There will never be a common place, ever


This argument started from the days of Jesus to early Church Fathers to Church of Christ to Jehovah's Witnesses and to any that will still arise


John.5.18 - Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

immaculatesense:
His point is the position of the scriptures sir.
If a goat calls itself the son of a man, it means that goat is claiming to be a man.
Jesus said he is the son of God thereby making himself equal with God (John 5:18)
John 5:18
[18]So the Jewish leaders tried all the harder to find a way to kill him. For he not only broke the Sabbath, he called God his Father, [/b]thereby making himself equal with God.[b]

Therefore Jesus is god in his nature and essence lower and inferior only to the Father who alone is the One and True God of all.

Thanks.

So the Angels Worship a God who is not the Almighty?

MightySparrow:
I wish this argument does not surface on this platform again. There will never be a common place, ever


This argument started from the days of Jesus to early Church Fathers to Church of Christ to Jehovah's Witnesses and to any that will still arise


John.5.18 - Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

So you agree with StillDtruth that Jesus makes himself equal with God but he is not the Almighty God?

Truthseeker10:
So the Angels Worship a God who is not the Almighty?

Sometimes i wonder how most people thinks!
Their translators used worship in place of obeisance so they can't fathom what is missing in the link!
When John wanted to worship an angel sent to show him some sacred secrets he told John:


'I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who keep the words of this scroll. Worship God!”' ‭Revelation 19:10; 22:8-9 NIV‬


The angel directed John to worship God whom Jesus called our God and father! John 20:17

Truthseeker10:
So you agree with StillDtruth that Jesus makes himself equal with God but he is not the Almighty God?

Perhaps he also said people shouldn't pay taxes to Caeser after all that's one of the allegations against him! Luke 23:2

Truthseeker10:
So the Angels Worship a God who is not the Almighty?

Can your explain Hebrews 1:6 otherwise?
Hebrews 1:6
[6]And when he brought his supreme Son into the world, God said,
[/b]“Let all of God’s angels worship him.”[b]

immaculatesense:
Can your explain Hebrews 1:6 otherwise?
Hebrews 1:6
[6]And when he brought his supreme Son into the world, God said,
[/b]“Let all of God’s angels worship him.”[b]

So the Angels worship a God who is not the Almighty God?

immaculatesense:
Can your explain Hebrews 1:6 otherwise?
Hebrews 1:6
[6]And when he brought his supreme Son into the world, God said,
[/b]“Let all of God’s angels worship him.”[b]

But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all of God’s angels do OBEISANCE to him.”

The word is OBEISANCE not WORSHIP!

Truthseeker10:
So you agree with StillDtruth that Jesus makes himself equal with God but he is not the Almighty God?

So you don't agree with him?

Truthseeker10:
So the Angels worship a God who is not the Almighty God?

You know I don't like argument.
The Father has handed everything over to his son until the end of age when the son will in turn hand everything over to the Father and the Father will be supreme over all. For now until that time, the son is supreme over all in heaven and on earth because the father has raised his son to that status.
1 Corinthians 15:27-28
[27]For the Scriptures say, “God has put all things under his authority.” (Of course, when it says “all things are under his authority,” that does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.)
[28]Then, when all things are under his authority, the Son will put himself under God’s authority, so that God, who gave his Son authority over all things, will be utterly supreme over everything everywhere.

Thanks.

MaxInDHouse:
But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all of God’s angels do OBEISANCE to him.”

The word is OBEISANCE not WORSHIP!

What is the difference between Obeisance and Worship? I believe you know the meaning of synonyms.

Max
You have not answered my question:
What is the Greek word for Jehovah or did the word cease to exist in Jesus and the Apostles' days?

Thanks.

immaculatesense:
What is the difference between Obeisance and Worship? I believe you know the meaning of synonyms.

Obeisance means do whatever this one commands.
Worship is rendering sacred service to this one.
Only God deserves our sacred service but in the Bible Moses was given Obeisance, David was given Obeisance, Elijah was given Obeisance by people who had the fear of God none of them was worshiped yet people refer to them as lord!

MaxInDHouse:
Obeisance means do whatever this one commands.
Worship is rendering sacred service to this one.
Only God deserves our sacred service but in the Bible Moses was given Obeisance, David was given Obeisance, Elijah was given Obeisance by people who had the fear of God none of them was worshiped yet people refer to them as lord!

Max.
Don't be clever by half sir.
Let my quote from your Bible. I have almost all versions of scriptures on my phone. So, let me quote yours and you will answer my question on Obeisance and Worship as used in your own version.
1. Hebrewz 1:6
But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all of God’s angels do [/b]obeisance[b] to him.”

2. Revelation 5:14
The four living creatures were saying: “Amen!” and the elders fell down and [/b]worshipped.[b]

Max, this is your JW version.
My Question.
Can you tell me the Greek word(s) used for both Obeisance and Worship?

I put it to you that both are the same Greek word [/b]proskuneo[b] and that they are not different words but for ulterior motive your translators used two different words.

Note: I have the original Greek and Hebrew Bible.

Thanks.

Truthseeker10:
StillDtruth claims that God Almighty calls Jesus God but Jesus is not the Almighty God in Hebrews 1:8. He claims that The angels worship Jesus who is not the Almighty God. Is he correct?

Your contribution to his claims are welcome.

I know your Madness is on now but maybe when your lucid moments you can answer if these things are not stated in the bible.

MightySparrow:
What kind useless question be dis?

You can ask him again oo.

immaculatesense:
Max.
Don't be clever by half sir.
Let my quote from your Bible. I have almost all versions of scriptures on my phone. So, let me quote yours and you will answer my question on Obeisance and Worship as used in your own version.
1. Hebrewz 1:6
But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all of God’s angels do [/b]obeisance[b] to him.”

2. Revelation 5:14
The four living creatures were saying: “Amen!” and the elders fell down and [/b]worshipped.[b]
Max, this is your JW version.
My Question.
Can you tell me the Greek word(s) used for both Obeisance and Worship?
I put it to you that both are the same Greek word [/b]proskuneo[b] and that they are not different words but for ulterior motive your translators used two different words.
Note: I have the original Greek and Hebrew Bible.
Thanks.

Context is the answer because people did Obeisance to Moses, Saul, David so because a language doesn't have another way to express two different things shouldn't blind a real scholar from differentiating such words.

The Lord Jesus is God but not God the Father

delkuf:
The Lord Jesus is God but not God the Father

Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” John 20:17

We have only one God who is the father of all creations! 1Corinthans 8:6 compare to 1Timothy 2:5

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” John 20:17

We have only one God who is the father of all creations! 1Corinthans 8:6 compare to 1Timothy 2:5

Jesus is God and you cannot do any about that

immaculatesense:
You know I don't like argument.
The Father has handed everything over to his son until the end of age when the son will in turn hand everything over to the Father and the Father will be supreme over all. For now until that time, the son is supreme over all in heaven and on earth because the father has raised his son to that status.
1 Corinthians 15:27-28
[27]For the Scriptures say, “God has put all things under his authority.” (Of course, when it says “all things are under his authority,” that does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.)
[28]Then, when all things are under his authority, the Son will put himself under God’s authority, so that God, who gave his Son authority over all things, will be utterly supreme over everything everywhere.

Thanks.

So the Son who is not the Almighty God is the one we worship now?

Do you agree with the diagram below

MightySparrow:
So you don't agree with him?

Do you agree with him?

delkuf:
The Lord Jesus is God but not God the Father

Is the Lord Jesus the Almighty God?

delkuf:
Jesus is God and you cannot do any about that

Is Jesus the Almighty God?

Truthseeker10:
Is Jesus the Almighty God?

still truth have answered the question. Why the asking me.