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MaxInDHouse:
Which Bible writers was Greek by birth?
Thank you!

Lol...Max.
Paul was a Roman citizen by birth born in Tarsus.
Acts of the Apostles 22:27-28
[27]So the commander went over and asked Paul, “Tell me, are you a Roman citizen?”“Yes, I certainly am,” Paul replied.
[28]“I am, too,” the commander muttered, “and it cost me plenty!”[/b]Paul answered, “But I am a citizen by birth!”[b]

All the apostles including Jesus were born as Greek speaking colonized Jewish citizens. All of them spoke Greek and Aramaic from birth. None spoke Hebrew. Even before Jesus was born, the Hebrew Torah and other minor prophets were translated to Greek so the younger ones will be able to read and study it.

You still have a lot to learn sir on the originality of the scriptures and the person of their writers. Even most of the scriptures were not originally from the attributed writers but was dedicated in their honor. For instance, there were proof in the scriptures that Moses did not write the Deuteronomy. But that is a study on its own. You have a lot to study beyond the four walls of your hall sir.

Thanks.

immaculatesense:
Lol...Max.
Paul was a Roman citizen by birth born in Tarsus.

Is Paul Roman or adopted nationality?
Is Greek the language of Romans?
Why did all New Testament writers use Greek if they are not from Greece?

MaxInDHouse:
Is Paul Roman or adopted nationality?
Is Greek the language of Romans?
Why did all New Testament writers use Greek if they are not from Greece?

Max.
You want me to take you down history.
But let me just sum it like this in a way u can understand but you still need to go for further research but this is the summary of the research you will find.
Latin language was the local language of the Romans.
Greek/Koine Greek was the international language of the Romans because before the Alexander the Great, the Greece/Greek were dominant and spread to the east so also is the language. The Romans adopted the language which they use to interact in the diaspora. They conquered the world and spread Greek language as the spread so that their colonise will have one language and make it easier for them to govern.
The Jews had been on this colonialism before Jesus and the Apostles were born. So, they were all born into a Greek speaking community which became a natural language to all.
There are a lot of storyline under it but that is not necessary to divulge at this time. You can do research on the Roman Empire and hiw they ruked the world.

So, none of the apostles spoke Hebrew or Latin. They only spoke Greek and Aramaic (note, Aramaic was seen as a more culturally integrated language than the Greek).

Thanks

MaxInDHouse:
Is Paul Roman or adopted nationality?
Is Greek the language of Romans?
Why did all New Testament writers use Greek if they are not from Greece?

Paul was Roman by Birth not nationality. Jesus like a Nigerian parents who gave birth to an American citizen. Is such a child a citizen by birth or nationality?

immaculatesense:
Paul was Roman by Birth not nationality. Jesus like a Nigerian parents who gave birth to an American citizen. Is such a child a citizen by birth or nationality?

In a nutshell Paul was a Jew born in the Roman province which means he is not a Greek by birth so what makes him Greek that you now read all the New Testament with strict interest in Greek language if none of them is Greek?

immaculatesense:
1. Father in Greek means "someone who gives life (to the child). So, what Jesus meant was to let us know that it is only Almighty God who gives life to all men and that occurred should not be given to anyone else.

So why do you still call your dad "father" when Jesus says that you should not?

2. I obey my parents as a child should but I don't obey them in all things but I obey god in all things. I worship my parents but I don't worship them in absolute but I worship God in absolute.

3. The Greek word is [/b]pas[b] which means all, everything, fullness.
So, absolute worship means, to worship in all fullness and in everything. I don't do that to my parents, my worship of them is not absolute but my worship to God is absolute in all fullness and in everything.

Thanks.

Are you saying that the Greek word for "absolute worship" is "pas"? Kindly show me where "pas" is translated as "absolute worship" in the bible.

Truthseeker10:
So why do you still call your dad "father" when Jesus says that you should not?
Are you saying that the Greek word for "absolute worship" is "pas"? Kindly show me where "pas" is translated as "absolute worship" in the bible.

If i ask him to present his church where it is taught that Jesus is worshiped he will say Max has come again.
Is it not the result of worshiping Jesus we will like to know among them? Matthew 7:16-18

Someone say we should obey him they said they want to worship him by the end of the day all those claiming they are worshiping Jesus are confused with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines and not only that they easily resort to weapons in settling issues when Jesus taught his own disciples to love everyone.
So what has become all the worshipers of this their Jesus? Matthew 15:7-9

Truthseeker10:
So why do you still call your dad "father" when Jesus says that you should not?


Are you saying that the Greek word for "absolute worship" is "pas"? Kindly show me where "pas" is translated as "absolute worship" in the bible.

You didn't read at all sir.
Jesus did not say I shouldn't call my dad father. He was only saying that God is the giver of all life(Father) and no one is worthy to be accorded that.
I did not say "pas" is absolute worship. I said "pas" is absolute which means all. Read Matthew 28:18 in Greek.

immaculatesense:
You didn't read at all sir.
Jesus did not say I shouldn't call my dad father. He was only saying that God is the giver of all life(Father) and no one is worthy to be accorded that.

What is the Greek word for "father" and what does it mean?

I did not say "pas" is absolute worship. I said "pas" is absolute which means all. Read Matthew 28:18 in Greek.

Does Matthew 28:18 makes mention of "absolute worship" That you claim belongs to only God?

Where does the Bible mention "absolute worship" that is different from other "worship"?

What is the Greek word for "absolute worship"?

Truthseeker10:
What is the Greek word for "father" and what does it mean?


Does Matthew 28:18 makes mention of "absolute worship" That you claim belongs to only God?

Where does the Bible mention "absolute worship" that is different from other "worship"?

What is the Greek word for "absolute worship"?

Sir.
You are just rigmaroling. If you don't understand what I explained, maybe you will reread it as many times as you can so that when you finally understand the ones I have answered then you can ask further questions.
Thanks.

immaculatesense:
Sir.
You are just rigmaroling. If you don't understand what I explained, maybe you will reread it as many times as you can so that when you finally understand the ones I have answered then you can ask further questions.
Thanks.

Oga come back here...
Do you think you are smart?
You claim everybody should be worshipped according to the Bible except Satan. All of a sudden you came up with "absolute worship" that you've not shown us in the bible.
Oga what is the Greek word for "absolute worship", where does the Bible make mention of it?

You also claimed that Jesus said no one should be called Father. So what is the Greek word for the "Father" that you call at home and The Greek word for the "Father" that Jesus said no one should bear.

Please come and answer. Don't run away.

Thank goodness that I gave up Christianity.
It is full with contradictions and confusions.

Ha, some believe in Trinity, others don't
Some believe in tithe others don't

Such confused individuals...

Truthseeker10:
Oga come back here...
Do you think you are smart?
You claim everybody should be worshipped according to the Bible except Satan. All of a sudden you came up with "absolute worship" that you've not shown us in the bible.
Oga what is the Greek word for "absolute worship", where does the Bible make mention of it?

You also claimed that Jesus said no one should be called Father. So what is the Greek word for the "Father" that you call at home and The Greek word for the "Father" that Jesus said no one should bear.

Please come and answer. Don't run away.

You are just getting to know me on this platform.
I don't argue...I just make myself clear on scriptures. The choice is yours and the research and restudy of all I have said is yours too.

Thanks.

immaculatesense:
You are just getting to know me on this platform.
I don't argue...I just make myself clear on scriptures. The choice is yours and the research and restudy of all I have said is yours too.

Thanks.

You don't want to argue because you've made a blunder you can't get out of. So you have no logical arguments left.

You claim everybody should be worshipped according to the Bible except Satan. All of a sudden you came up with "absolute worship" that you've not shown us in the bible.
Oga what is the Greek word for "absolute worship", where does the Bible make mention of it?

You also claimed that Jesus said no one should be called Father. So what is the Greek word for the "Father" that you call at home and The Greek word for the "Father" that Jesus said no one should bear.

Please come and answer. Don't run away.

sonmvayina:
Thank goodness that I gave up Christianity.
It is full with contradictions and confusions.

Ha, some believe in Trinity, others don't
Some believe in tithe others don't

Such confused individuals...

I am sorry you made that decision sir. In a family, we have children who are shy and we have those who are outspoken. We have those who are short and those who are tall. We even have those who are nice and those who are mean.
Sir, we don't have to do or believe in entirely same thing to be one big family. At least we all agree that the creator do not support evil but good and that we should do to other what we want done to us and not do to others what we don't want done to us. I hope you reconsider sir.
Thanks.

Truthseeker10:
You don't want to argue because you've made a blunder you can't get out of. So you have no logical arguments left.

You claim everybody should be worshipped according to the Bible except Satan. All of a sudden you came up with "absolute worship" that you've not shown us in the bible.
Oga what is the Greek word for "absolute worship", where does the Bible make mention of it?

You also claimed that Jesus said no one should be called Father. So what is the Greek word for the "Father" that you call at home and The Greek word for the "Father" that Jesus said no one should bear.

Please come and answer. Don't run away.

Thanks God sir, you cannot be a judge in your case.
People must have read through our chat and grab what you are missing and also decide who and what we both stand for. I don't celebrate like but you can tell yourself from the likes.

immaculatesense:
Thanks God sir, you cannot be a judge in your case.
People must have read through our chat and grab what you are missing and also decide who and what we both stand for. I don't celebrate like but you can tell yourself from the likes.

You claim everybody should be worshipped according to the Bible except Satan. All of a sudden you came up with "absolute worship" that you've not shown us in the bible.
Oga what is the Greek word for "absolute worship", where does the Bible make mention of it?

You also claimed that Jesus said no one should be called Father. So what is the Greek word for the "Father" that you call at home and The Greek word for the "Father" that Jesus said no one should bear.

Please come and answer. Don't run away.

Truthseeker10:
You don't want to argue because you've made a blunder you can't get out of. So you have no logical arguments left.

You claim everybody should be worshipped according to the Bible except Satan. All of a sudden you came up with "absolute worship" that you've not shown us in the bible.
Oga what is the Greek word for "absolute worship", where does the Bible make mention of it?

You also claimed that Jesus said no one should be called Father. So what is the Greek word for the "Father" that you call at home and The Greek word for the "Father" that Jesus said no one should bear.

Please come and answer. Don't run away.

Since he said Jesus' disciples worshiped him can he present a single congregation who are Jesus' worshipers so we can learn from them how their so called worship of Jesus is benefitting their assembly.

MaxInDHouse:
Since he said Jesus' disciples worshiped him can he present a single congregation who are Jesus' worshipers so we can learn from them how their so called worship of Jesus is benefitting their assembly.

He claims that The bible says that everyone should be worshipped except Satan. So therefore there is no difference between Worshipping God and worshipping humans.

Truthseeker10:
He claims that The bible says that everyone should be worshipped except Satan. So therefore there is no difference between Worshipping God and worshipping humans.

While trying to deny the obvious he has proved himself beyond recognition:

He (Jehovah) catches the wise in their own cunning, So that the plans of the shrewd are thwarted. Job 5:13

His so called WISDOM that's foolishness! 1Corinthans 3:19

MaxInDHouse:
While trying to deny the obvious he has proved himself beyond recognition:

He (Jehovah) catches the wise in their own cunning, So that the plans of the shrewd are thwarted. Job 5:13

His so called WISDOM that's foolishness! 1Corinthans 3:19

It was when I showed him Matthew 4:10 that he realized that he was wrong that everyone should be worshipped. He now said that Matthew 4:10 is talking about "absolute worship". what is the greek word for "absolute worship"...he has not been able to provide it.

Truthseeker10:
It was when I showed him Matthew 4:10 that he realized that he was wrong that everyone should be worshipped. He now said that Matthew 4:10 is talking about "absolute worship". what is the greek word for "absolute worship"...he has not been able to provide it.

He is one of the rebellious ones who are going about with their self-righteous beliefs so he will forever remain alone just like his sort on Nairaland! Luke 11:23

immaculatesense:
Smile
Sir, there is not different between small g and big g because the Greek and Hebrew do not have Capital letters, so whenever you see small or big g, it is all and the same.

Sir, Jesus is God or god anyone is the same "Elohim" or "theos".
The subjectivity of the son to the Father shows that he is Inferior to the Father but superior to all other beings.
The fact that I say the Jesus is inferior to His father does not diminish him at all, it only exalts the Father to be above all including his son.
Let me put it like this.
The word inferior means "less" or "subject" like you put it. So, whether you use Subject or less or inferior, it is one and the same sir, not reduces nor increases the status of the Father's only begotten son.
Jesus himself said it "My Father is greater than I am." Which means in the reverse "I am lesser than my Father."

So sir, using inferior does not reduce Jesus, it only shows that Jesus is supreme over all things except his Father who is supreme over all things including his son. 1 Corinthians 15:27-28.

Thanks.

Are you inferior to your boss in the office? Please answer, yes or no.

Is the wife inferior to her husband?

Truthseeker10:
So is Jesus the Almighty God?

Yes. The Almighty God in the visible form.

Ken4Christ:
Yes. The Almighty God in the visible form.

StillDtruth, do you agree with Ken4Christ above?

Truthseeker10:
StillDtruth, do you agree with Ken4Christ above?

They are all facing different directions as they talk about their god but when JWs speak with one voice regarding our God {John 17:22} all of them will say JWs are wrong, which of them is right now?
Funny churchians! Luke 11:23

Ken4Christ:
Are you inferior to your boss in the office? Please answer, yes or no.

Is the wife inferior to her husband?

Yes sir.
When I have an issue with my felli ranking colleague, the advice is that we should report to our superior officer which is our boss.
So, my boss is my superior so therefore I am inferior to my boss.
Just like saying, he is my senior, it means I am his junior.
The man is the head of the wife meaning he is the leader and the superior in ranking. Though it is not a master-slave relationship like Jesus is not a slave to his father but he accepts his position only second to the Father but he is above all else.
Or is it fact that because the scriptures called us Joint heirs with Christ does that make us equal and of the same level with Christ? Is Christ not the Head of the Church as the Father is the Head of Christ Himself? Christ is above all except the Father who his above Christ. 1 Corinthians 15:21-22

Ken4Christ:
Yes. The Almighty God in the visible form.

Sir.
The correct quotation of that scriptures is
Hebrews 1:3a
"For Christ is the express image of the invisible God..."
Express image does mean he is the same person. It only means of the same look, likeness and substance just like I am the express of my own father, I look like him, talk like him, have the same genotype and blood group and have some obvious elements of his Character.
Jesus is the representative of the Father to humans, God sent his son in his own likeness and substance but the Father is different from the Son.
For instance, the Father knows when the Son will appear for his second coming but the son himself does not know. He himself said it.
Matthew 24:36
[36]“However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, [/b]not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows.[b]

Thanks.

This is why i always ask of the church of each commentator so we can know where the teaching is coming from but as you can see each one is just practicing gymnastics in their brains over the description of their god!

Truthseeker10:
StillDtruth, do you agree with Ken4Christ above?

Of course. Everyone knows that, but not you.

And if you not out sane, you would have wondered why you are the only one asking me the stupid question you asked.

MaxInDHouse:
This is why i always ask of the church of each commentator so we can know where the teaching is coming from but as you can see each one is just practicing gymnastics in their brains over the description of their god!

Now I understand another reason you people are Mad!

It's because you JWs have been brainwashed and be turned into robots is why you no longer understand human beings and that is why you speak like a Mad person a lot of the time, like you have just done.

StillDtruth:
Of course. Everyone knows that, but not you. And if you not out sane, you would have wondered why you are the only one asking me the stupid question you asked.

Funny atheist!

So are you saying Jesus is the Almighty now?