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Re: "Ukrainian Troops In A Vulnerable Position, Completely Surrounded"- Trump by Ghostagain: 7:55pm On Mar 14, 2025
You love trump, but trump hates you, yet you still love him. You are suffering from "side chick syndrome"
ogbe88:
Most of the people who hate trump are Tinubu Islamic terrorists supporters.
Re: "Ukrainian Troops In A Vulnerable Position, Completely Surrounded"- Trump by TenQ: 7:56pm On Mar 14, 2025
Arapmoi22:
Zelensky was the stupid one who allowed Joe Bidden to use him achieve personal vendetta against Putin.

"We must weaken Russia"

Why must Russia be weakened? You don't weaken a weak person. Meaning at least Russia is strong and perceived to be strong.

Why should Russia help Trump against our Candidate Hillary?

We must pay him back.

I would have prefer that Biden take US military to directly confront Putin since he wants to revenge Democrats lost to Trump.

But Zelensky allowed himself to be used. We give you weapon, but provide your Men to die.

September 19, 2019, Trump told Zele to settle with his Brother (Putin). Biden had a completely different message, we will weaken Russia.

Zele the fool can't be wise.
The first question you should ask was what was Putin asking from Ukraine!

The next question is does Ukraine have an option to say No!?





It was a mistake that Ukraine gave up it's Nukes as all these would not have happened.
Re: "Ukrainian Troops In A Vulnerable Position, Completely Surrounded"- Trump by Tradepunter2: 7:58pm On Mar 14, 2025
ogbe88:
U are the biggest fool, u Islamic terrorist. Trump is coming for u all.
You bstd come to Europe and say you support Putin.... They will feed you to the pigs.... Useless cowards
Re: "Ukrainian Troops In A Vulnerable Position, Completely Surrounded"- Trump by Ghostagain: 7:59pm On Mar 14, 2025
Ukraine never had nukes, the ussr had nukes spread all across its lands. When the ussr broke up, all its nukes were inherited by the successor state of the ussr: russian federation.
TenQ:
It was a mistake that Ukraine gave up it's Nukes as all these would not have happened.
Re: "Ukrainian Troops In A Vulnerable Position, Completely Surrounded"- Trump by Arapmoi22: 8:00pm On Mar 14, 2025
TenQ:
USA, France and Russia were signatories.

They guaranteed Protection for the sovereignty and integrity of Ukraine .

Russia was the first to break the agreement, then USA and France broke theirs because they were afraid of a Nuclear war [/b]because of a small Ukraine!
[b]They need to fear the BIG BOYS.

It is a self-destruct realm to operate.

That could make the end of the world come so fast.

No winners.

But instead of allowing them to have their way, let everyone eat it.

France is nothing in Nuclear War.

Only US is relevant.
Re: "Ukrainian Troops In A Vulnerable Position, Completely Surrounded"- Trump by Krismas(m): 8:01pm On Mar 14, 2025
TenQ:
Tell me!

Armed robbers came to your home and they ask to sleep with your wife and daughters.

If I get you correctly, why would you endanger the lives of everyone in your household when you can simply let them have their way with them.


It's actually your fault for marrying beautiful wife who gave birth to beautiful daughters!
Ur entire anology is out of place.
Ukraine will continue to remain in the wilderness by pushing the lie that the entire Ukraine is united against Russia.
Donbas does not want to be Ukraine and Russia is simply asking for only Donbas.
So, to improve your analogy. The armed robber only wants to sleep with your wife. Cos its your fault marrying a beautiful woman without knowing she has not yet divorced her previous armed robber husband and without doing DNA test b4 believing armed robber' daughters were your children
Re: "Ukrainian Troops In A Vulnerable Position, Completely Surrounded"- Trump by Arapmoi22: 8:04pm On Mar 14, 2025
TenQ:
The first question you should ask was what was Putin asking from Ukraine!

The next question is does Ukraine have an option to say No!?





It was a mistake that Ukraine gave up it's Nukes as all these would not have happened.
Ukraine never had Nukes.

USSR has it.

And the Capital of the USSR is Moscow.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union
Re: "Ukrainian Troops In A Vulnerable Position, Completely Surrounded"- Trump by Ghostagain: 8:04pm On Mar 14, 2025
Don't even waste your time following them in the path of mortality talk. They are big hypocrites, they have no moral standard but when it suits their narratives, they will concoct a "moral vision" for you in order to induce you into supporting their illogical position.
Krismas:
Ur entire anology is out of place.
Ukraine will continue to remain in the wilderness by pushing the lie that the entire Ukraine is united against Russia.
Donbas does not want to be Ukraine and Russia is simply asking for only Donbas.
So, to improve your analogy. The armed robber only wants to sleep with your wife. Cos its your fault marrying a beautiful woman without knowing she has not yet divorced her previous armed robber husband and without doing DNA test b4 believing armed robber' daughters were your children
Re: "Ukrainian Troops In A Vulnerable Position, Completely Surrounded"- Trump by TenQ: 8:06pm On Mar 14, 2025
nickyvil:
My opinion and view on this war: Zelensky made a big mistake by prolonging this war because Russia is very very strong when it comes to war, the UK, France and Germany knows that but they are all after deals that will benefit their own selfishness, when the war started , and russian are advancing and almost got to kyiv, Zelensky, europe and usa beg for seize fire to enable for negotiation to hold, Russia move back and stay only to the donbass region which unkraine was quickly armed and the fight rusume, russia is a super power like the USA, they are on the same level which everybody knows they wont confront their self then why insisting on NATO and distabilization of Russia. The coup that brought you in can never happen in Russia so why fighting a lost battle. Go to Twitter under Zelensky post, then you will see that so many are tired of his senseless action and the war. No super power will allow an enemy at his door step, china is growing faster than any country in the world now and Trump and the USA understand, they need to settle things with Russia atleast that will normalized any truce and avoid senseless war. But the Europe are all interested in distabilization of Russia so they can have access to his mineral/raw resources which is never possible
Zelensky made no mistake.

What does Putin ultimately want
1. Restoration of the Soviet Union with Ukraine, Belarus and probably Poland back into Russia.
2. Making Ukraine a vasal State within Russia.
3. A much longer distance between Moscow and the nearest NATO country.


Is this what Ukrainians want?






If Armed robbers came to your home and they ask to sleep with your wife and daughters.

Would you endanger the lives of everyone in your household when you can simply let them have their way with them or resist to the best of your ability?


Would it be your fault for marrying beautiful wife who gave birth to beautiful daughters!


What has annexure of Cremia got to do with NATO?
Re: "Ukrainian Troops In A Vulnerable Position, Completely Surrounded"- Trump by Ghostagain: 8:08pm On Mar 14, 2025
Poland was never part of the ussr, get your history straight.
TenQ:
Zelensky made no mistake.

What does Putin ultimately want
[i]1. Restoration of the Soviet Union with Ukraine, Belarus and probably Poland back into Russia.
Re: "Ukrainian Troops In A Vulnerable Position, Completely Surrounded"- Trump by Sundaymessi: 8:13pm On Mar 14, 2025
AntiWailer:
A dumb President and more.


Now he is exposing Ukraine with Intel that Russia probably does not have.


The blood position Russia never had till the Russian Asset took over the Oval Office.
Go and listen to CNN where Ukraine is winning the war and Russia forces running Helter skeeter!
Re: "Ukrainian Troops In A Vulnerable Position, Completely Surrounded"- Trump by TenQ: 8:14pm On Mar 14, 2025
Krismas:
grin Capitulating to Russia is the fake narrative all along.
The idea is facing the reality. Going into Kursk was foolish thing to begin with.
I don't need to wait till 2moro, b4 i know thousands of Ukrainians would have been slaughtered.
So, what will u call the act of pushing back someone who came into your room?
You are pushing him towards the only doorway, while you have the door sealed.
I think it can be called encirclement. The man cannot back beyond the door.
Front locked, back locked. What do you call dat?
It wasn't a foolish thing.
1. Russia is at least 8 times larger in resources than Ukraine in every respect.
2. The Kursk incursion was to perfect three functions
a. To slow down Russian gains in the contested south-eastern oblasts.
This was very successful.
b. To wear down and attrit Russian assets.
This was successful as daily Russian casualties average 1300 per day and loads of Russian equipment
c. The serve as a negotiation asset . Kursk can be exchanged for something else during negotiation.
This failed also partially cause by Trump's new erratic policy towards the war.


It makes every sense. And on the average, it succeeded. Pokrovsk should have fallen 6 months ago, but it is still standing strong till today
Re: "Ukrainian Troops In A Vulnerable Position, Completely Surrounded"- Trump by TenQ: 8:16pm On Mar 14, 2025
Ghostagain:
Poland was never part of the ussr, get your history straight.
I said probably Poland!
Get your English straight could Have even said probably Finland !

Was Finland part of USSR?
Re: "Ukrainian Troops In A Vulnerable Position, Completely Surrounded"- Trump by Ghostagain: 8:17pm On Mar 14, 2025
At this point, you are just copy and pasting claims from Ukrainian propaganda. I already read all you wrote before you even wrote it, I saw the original version.

TenQ:
It wasn't a foolish thing.
1. Russia is at least 8 times larger in resources than Ukraine in every respect.
2. The Kursk incursion was to perfect three functions
a. To slow down Russian gains in the contested south-eastern oblasts.
This was very successful.
b. To wear down and attrit Russian assets.
This was successful as daily Russian casualties average 1300 per day and loads of Russian equipment
c. The serve as a negotiation asset . Kursk can be exchanged for something else during negotiation.
This failed also partially cause by Trump's new erratic policy towards the war.


It makes every sense. And on the average, it succeeded. Pokrovsk should have fallen 6 months ago, but it is still standing strong till today
Re: "Ukrainian Troops In A Vulnerable Position, Completely Surrounded"- Trump by Krismas(m): 8:17pm On Mar 14, 2025
TenQ:
USA, France and Russia were signatories.

They guaranteed Protection for the sovereignty and integrity of Ukraine .

Russia was the first to break the agreement, then USA and France broke theirs because they were afraid of a Nuclear war because of a small Ukraine!
grin
1. The Budapest Memorandum IS NOT a formal international treaty.
2. the same year 1994, Russia was promised that Ukraine would never be allowed to join NATO.
3. Budapest Memorandum was never ratified by any national legislature. It was a memorandum of understanding.
Re: "Ukrainian Troops In A Vulnerable Position, Completely Surrounded"- Trump by TenQ: 8:18pm On Mar 14, 2025
Arapmoi22:
Ukraine never had Nukes.

USSR has it.

And the Capital of the USSR is Moscow.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union
How you people reason is appalling.

Moscow is only the Capital of USSR otherwise both Ukraine and Moscow are states within USSR!
Re: "Ukrainian Troops In A Vulnerable Position, Completely Surrounded"- Trump by Ghostagain: 8:19pm On Mar 14, 2025
So in your mind, restoration of the USSR implies "adding Poland back", but in that same mind of yours, Poland was never part of the USSR ? 😂 Logic is taking a beating today .
TenQ:
I said probably Poland!
Get your English straight could Have even said probably Finland !

Was Finland part of USSR?
Re: "Ukrainian Troops In A Vulnerable Position, Completely Surrounded"- Trump by TenQ: 8:20pm On Mar 14, 2025
Krismas:
Ur entire anology is out of place.
Ukraine will continue to remain in the wilderness by pushing the lie that the entire Ukraine is united against Russia.
Donbas does not want to be Ukraine and Russia is simply asking for only Donbas.
So, to improve your analogy. The armed robber only wants to sleep with your wife. Cos its your fault marrying a beautiful woman without knowing she has not yet divorced her previous armed robber husband and without doing DNA test b4 believing armed robber' daughters were your children
Armed robbers came to your home and they ask to sleep with your wife and daughters.

If I get you correctly, why would you endanger the lives of everyone in your household when you can simply let them have their way with them.

This are the kind of weak men that exist now. They would rather be slaves with the opportunity to eat pounded yam the next day.
Re: "Ukrainian Troops In A Vulnerable Position, Completely Surrounded"- Trump by nickyvil: 8:21pm On Mar 14, 2025
Go back and make your research about Russia capability and don't read one sided story, apart from nuclear weapons, Russia is on par with USA and NATO combined , they know that, this war have exposed so many weaknesses from the west. If Russia was not strong militarily, USA and NATO would have stepped in directly but no body want to up till now. Russia is more advanced in military than what you read/listen to online. Take note: forget about nuclear weapons, if Russia are not strong as they made us to believe, NATO and USA would have long entered this war, because of you have a nuclear weapons without a military might, your nothing.


TenQ:
Actually, USA through Biden chose to bleed Russia out economically knowing that it will ultimately destroy them politically. But in the process, they sacrificed Ukrainian lives by giving them just enough for a protracted war BUT at the expense of Life. They even told Zelensky to reduce the conscription age to 18 years but this was turned down.

Both USA and Russia have the data they wanted. USA knows that it can beat Russia blue black hands down. The only leverage Russia has is the nukes but Nukes are useless if you don't have a superior air protection system. At least we know that Patriot system is more advanced than the Russian S400 . We also know that the American Bradley is superior to the Russian APC. We also know that the American satellite intelligence system is superior to the Russians etc.

But, Trump is making a bigger mistake by seeming to Sacrifice Ukraine for Russia to cut off relationship from China. This will never happen. NATO seems to have been broken by Trump now. No one can guarantee that article 5 will be activated if any NATO country is attacked. Since inception, this is the weakest NATO has been.

If I was China, I will begin to prepare to take Taiwan and I will expect UN to recognise the new territory of China. We should also ask Taiwan to negotiate with China before this would happen (as this had been Trumps rhetoric about Ukraine)

Finally, every small country should begin to develop their own Nukes as the world now is unquestionably for the strong nations who proposed Nuclear non proliferation only so that they can annex any small country at will.

The damage Trump is causing cannot be corrected in the next 100 years
Re: "Ukrainian Troops In A Vulnerable Position, Completely Surrounded"- Trump by Willokafor(m): 8:23pm On Mar 14, 2025
Trump is actually playing mind game with both country in order to achieve peace, praising putin war chess in public and attacking him in private.
In the other hand Ukraine president have no card therefore he need to do as he is told.

For those of you attacking trump you guys are so dumb and lack knowledge.
Trump is doing whats good for his country and most of you are so dumb to realise that these are the things he campaigned on.
Re: "Ukrainian Troops In A Vulnerable Position, Completely Surrounded"- Trump by ariesbull: 8:27pm On Mar 14, 2025
TenQ:
You wish so much that the small Ukraine will capitulate before Russia.

The question still remain WHERE were the Ukrainian soldiers encircled? Is it All over the frontline?

What is difficult in waiting till tomorrow.
By tomorrow we should know the truth shouldn't we?
UKRIANE isn't small.please ...it's the biggest country in Europe after Russia
Re: "Ukrainian Troops In A Vulnerable Position, Completely Surrounded"- Trump by ariesbull: 8:28pm On Mar 14, 2025
Krismas:
grin
1. The Budapest Memorandum IS NOT a formal international treaty.
2. the same year 1994, Russia was promised that Ukraine would never be allowed to join NATO.
3. Budapest Memorandum was never ratified by any national legislature. It was a memorandum of understanding.
and MoU isn't a binding document to you
Re: "Ukrainian Troops In A Vulnerable Position, Completely Surrounded"- Trump by frog12: 8:28pm On Mar 14, 2025
russia has been taking back kursk before trump even started

Feldie:
nonsense. It's only happening because Trump is sabotaging Ukraine. The war has been going on for more than 3 years. Russians were beaten back to the border, Ukrainians even invaded Russia and occupied kursk but a few weeks after Trump took over everything has fallen apart. If Harris had won Putin will be threatening to nuke the world today after losing another city
Re: "Ukrainian Troops In A Vulnerable Position, Completely Surrounded"- Trump by Ghostagain: 8:29pm On Mar 14, 2025
He keeps repeating sentences from Ukrainian propaganda. He seems to think we didn't notice those sentences before he copied them.
ariesbull:
UKRIANE isn't small.please ...it's the biggest country in Europe after Russia
Re: "Ukrainian Troops In A Vulnerable Position, Completely Surrounded"- Trump by TenQ: 8:30pm On Mar 14, 2025
Arapmoi22:
They need to fear the BIG BOYS.

It is a self-destruct realm to operate.

That could make the end of the world come so fast.

No winners.

But instead of allowing them to have their way, let everyone eat it.

France is nothing in Nuclear War.

Only US is relevant.
Unfortunately, we are different.

When I was in secondary school, I challenged a big boy of a bully to a fight. He could beat me, I knew that BUT I chose to fight him till I stopped moving.

That was the last they he picked on me. He was surprised and probably baffled at my courage.The whole class surrounded us; they wanted to watch the fight.

I also learnt two big life lessons
1. Be afraid of one who is ready to die irrespective of his size or power.
2. Bullies are empowered ONLY by your fears and lack of resistance


After this war, never would Russia try to overrun Ukraine militarily .

After this war, Ukraine will develop her own Nukes because this is the only security guarantee they would ever get from anyone.
Re: "Ukrainian Troops In A Vulnerable Position, Completely Surrounded"- Trump by Ghostagain: 8:33pm On Mar 14, 2025
Talk is cheap, Ukraine is recruiting mercs, why not go and fight Putin ? Rambo, go and show us how you stand up to bullies 👊🏿
Go and fight Putin until you stop moving...
TenQ:
Unfortunately, we are different.

When I was in secondary school, I challenged a big boy of a bully to a fight. He could beat me, I knew that BUT I chose to fight him till I stopped moving.
Re: "Ukrainian Troops In A Vulnerable Position, Completely Surrounded"- Trump by TenQ: 8:33pm On Mar 14, 2025
Ghostagain:
Ukraine never had nukes, the ussr had nukes spread all across its lands. When the ussr broke up, all its nukes were inherited by the successor state of the ussr: russian federation.
Ukraine was the third largest repository of Nukes bro before the Budapest agreement.

You don't seem to understand the implications.

They know how the Nukes works.
They have the raw materials
It means that within the next three years, they will test fire their own nukes.

This would be their security guarantee from Russia.


I am looking forward to that day!
Re: "Ukrainian Troops In A Vulnerable Position, Completely Surrounded"- Trump by Ghostagain: 8:34pm On Mar 14, 2025
So you're a nuclear expert now ?
🤦🏿

TenQ:
Ukraine was the third largest repository of Nukes bro before the Budapest agreement.

You don't seem to understand the implications.

They know how the Nukes works.
They have the raw materials
It means that within the next three years, they will test fire their own nukes.

This would be their security guarantee from Russia.


I am looking forward to that day!
Re: "Ukrainian Troops In A Vulnerable Position, Completely Surrounded"- Trump by nickyvil: 8:36pm On Mar 14, 2025
Let me answer you: in as much I'm neutral, no super power country will allow an enemy at his back door, Ukraine is the closest and part of Russia before separation, most Ukrainian speak Russia. And are the 2nd largest army in Europe, now if Ukraine are allowed to joined NATO, that is a complete suicide to Russia because it's more easier to integrate their machinery to Russia which will cause internal crises, that is what is been protected and fight against now.
Russia is not interested in USSR if they were, they won't allow old Soviet union to join NATO, media just let us believe that, Ukraine have been peaceful and a very stable country not until the former govt was ousted out by Western power since then, there have been civil crises which lead to Crimean been taking away and donbass and the rest crisis. There is no arm rubber in this issue, Russia is very good to have let Ukraine be independent in the first place, if it doesn't it won't have happen. The Europe that act like an angel won't take a pinch of what they are ditching our, Catalan want to separate from Spain but Spain won't, Porto ruico want to separate from USA still despite them been sovereign, USA is still in charge and control them. That is how super powers are but they are trying to do same they won't take to Russia.

TenQ:
Zelensky made no mistake.

What does Putin ultimately want
1. Restoration of the Soviet Union with Ukraine, Belarus and probably Poland back into Russia.
2. Making Ukraine a vasal State within Russia.
3. A much longer distance between Moscow and the nearest NATO country.


Is this what Ukrainians want?






If Armed robbers came to your home and they ask to sleep with your wife and daughters.

Would you endanger the lives of everyone in your household when you can simply let them have their way with them or resist to the best of your ability?


Would it be your fault for marrying beautiful wife who gave birth to beautiful daughters!


What has annexure of Cremia got to do with NATO?
Re: "Ukrainian Troops In A Vulnerable Position, Completely Surrounded"- Trump by Arapmoi22: 8:36pm On Mar 14, 2025
TenQ:
How you people reason is appalling.

Moscow is only the Capital of USSR otherwise both Ukraine and Moscow are states within USSR!
We actually marveled too at how emotions blocked your reasoning bro.
Re: "Ukrainian Troops In A Vulnerable Position, Completely Surrounded"- Trump by TenQ: 8:38pm On Mar 14, 2025
Arapmoi22:
It is a tough situation for you or anyone else to face.

A wise person will study the situation and make the best decision to save his family.

If you die, they can still rape them and still tell them to urinate inside your lifeless mouth.

Wisdom is in knowing the strength of your enemy and only play along to get the best out of your precarious situation.

In oil and Gas HSE trainings, you will always be told nothing worths your life. Rape is not promiscuity. It is robbery. Just the same way your
mobile phone could have been taken away at gun point.
Unfortunately, we are different.

When I was in secondary school, I challenged a big boy of a bully to a fight. He could beat me, I knew that BUT I chose to fight him till I stopped moving.

That was the last they he picked on me. He was surprised and probably baffled at my courage.The whole class surrounded us; they wanted to watch the fight.

I also learnt two big life lessons
1. Be afraid of one who is ready to die irrespective of his size or power.
2. Bullies are empowered ONLY by your fears and lack of resistance


After this war, never would Russia try to overrun Ukraine militarily .

After this war, Ukraine will develop her own Nukes because this is the only security guarantee they would ever get from anyone.
Re: "Ukrainian Troops In A Vulnerable Position, Completely Surrounded"- Trump by TenQ: 8:40pm On Mar 14, 2025
Arapmoi22:
We actually marveled too at how emotions blocked your reasoning bro.
It is you with no iota of reasoning.

An independent sovereign nation to become a slave to another and human beings see this as normal!?

I guess either you are a narcissist or your morality is questionable!
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