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Antichristian2:
Why can't the father give Jesus everybody? Was Jesus sent to everybody from this verses?

Antichristian2:
Jesus continues to explain things to the disciples. But to others he uses parables so that they don't understand and are not forgiven!

Antichristian2:
➜Why can't the father give Jesus everybody?
➜Was Jesus sent to everybody from this verses? Jesus continues to explain things to the disciples. But to others he uses parables so that they don't understand and are not forgiven!

paxonel:
It's not force to accept Jesus now.
Unlike Muslims who force people to accept their Muhammad

MaxInDHouse:
God can't force worshipers so to gain His approval you must be humble {Zephaniah 2:2-3; Matthew 5:5} that's the quality that will help you to listen and admit someone knows better than you do when it comes to understanding what is good for all but when you want to stick to books despite knowing that it isn't fair to all then Jesus is not sent to you!

His disciples remain humble and they will not leave him unless he explain what he meant by the parables!

delkuf:
The Father give everybody to the Lord Jesus but everybody will not come to the Lord Jesus. Look at this way, the Lord Jesus the son of God that is to save mankind came and they still reject him, so why should the Father give everybody to him. The Father knew that there would still be people like YOU that will not accept the gospel no matter how it is presented to them.

There are is disciples. Do you want him to show this same things to those that are with him and those that just come and go.

Kobojunkie:
1. The likely reason why YHWH — God of Israel— could not give Jesus Christ "everybody"(every family of Israel, that is), is the fact that through His many prophets— Joel and many others — YHWH had revealed that not all the people in Israel & Judah would go on to be redeemed by Him. Many of the people — approximately 1/3rd — were destroyed by Him during the Last days(the destruction of Jerusalem & Judah, which took place in the first century, happened as a result).

2. Jesus Christ of Israel was emphatically clear that He was not sent to everyone of Israel as He also spoke of the fact that many would be destroyed - Matthew 24 & Mark 13 & Luke 13.

Antichristian2:
From the verse he wasn't given everybody. This is your own!

So you mean Jesus purposely deceived other but only explained to his disciples? He should have used plain language to preach to everyone!

Antichristian2:
Who did Jehovah give Jesus?
Everybody or some people?
Who are they?

Antichristian2:
Why is everything explained in parable according to the quoted verse?

Antichristian2:
➜Makes some sense! So the parables are to sieve out some people...?

Antichristian2:
Be sincere how many times have you or anyone in your family been forced to accept Islam?

The lies that men lie live well after them!

Kobojunkie:
The parables reiterate the facts revealed through the prophets before Jesus Christ of Israel's time, which is that not all of the flock of Israel — Jacob — will be redeemed. The final sifting, according to Jesus Christ, is done by way of the judgment of Jesus Christ, which involves the angels first gathering the goats and then the sheep. YHWH's judgment which took place over 1900 years ago seems to have been the beginning of the sifting.

delkuf:
John 3:16, for God so loved the world. It is the world that God loves not some certain people.

Antichristian2:
✓ So why use parable when you know it will be needing explanation?
✓ Even you close circles don't understand you!
✓ Jesus purposely does not want many to be saved according to the verse!

Kobojunkie:
Parables are a core component of almost every language, typically used to obfuscate meaning for those not part of a closed circle.

2. This isn't true. Those in your close circles ought to understand you unless they are not, in fact, of that circle.

3. Those who are His followers are those who need saving hence the meaning is revealed only to them and to none else. No Israelite is born from your mother's womb a follower of Jesus Christ of Israel. Rather, each member of the bloodline of Jacob becomes a follower by choice. Only after that choice is made would such a one begin to gain access to that only available to followers of Jesus Christ of Israel as he continues to submit and obey His teachings and commandments. It is really that Simple!

Antichristian2:
Truly, the obfuscation is obvious. The close circles won't need extra explanations if the preaching had been straight forward. Jesus had to explain and re-explain what he meant to his close circles.
➜So how did the bloodline of Jacob reach Africa and Nigeria?

Kobojunkie:
1. No rule against them needing extra explanations. In Matthew 13, Jesus Christ of Israel explained to His followers that those among them who needed understanding would get it directly from the Father — He would give to them what He wanted them to have and when.

2. The bloodline of Jacob, at this point, has probably reached all languages, tribes, and nations of the world. According to the book, the major migration events out of Canaan for the descendants happened when the northern nation of Israel was destroyed around 720 BC and then again beginning around 70 AD with the destruction of the remnant nation of Judah.

Antichristian2:
➜Jesus did explained to them. They don't need explanation from Jesus if the father had already given them understanding!
➜Is there any scientific proof that the bloodline of Jacob reached Nigeria?
➜ Apart from the bloodline of Jacob, there must have been about a thousands other tribes in the mix?
➜ What's the probability that Jacob's line reached Africa and hence Nigeria?
➜ And why is YHWH concerned about the race of Jacob, someone who inherited that line with a dubious means according to the Bible?

Kobojunkie:
1. The same Jesus Christ of Israel let you know that none of what He taught was His own meaning that all He explained to them came from His Father.

2. You want to carry out DNA tests on the ancestry of all over 200 million Nigerians to confirm this for yourself? Be my guest!

3. In the mix of what?

4. You do the study and tell me.

5. Israel has been YHWH's plan from the start to colonize the earth. Is there a particular reason why He cannot have that plan? And how exactly did Jacob inherit what line by dubious means?

Antichristian2:
➜You are very intelligent. Is it that you can't just calculate the probability of Jacob's line reaching Nigeria in the midst of other tribes available back them.
➜ There are over a thousand tribes in Eqypt and everywhere back then.

Kobojunkie:
1. I already explained that given that the migration of Israelites out of Canaan before as far back as over 2600 years ago when the main nation of Israel was destroyed and the people exiled from the land, the chances that they have, at this point in time reached to every tribe, every language and every nation of the planet are very high. What is the probability that there are descendants of Jacob living among people of every tribe and language in Nigeria today, it is very high.

2. And this means?

Antichristian2:
➜The probability is close to 0! As so many things would have happenend through the ages. Famine, drought, pestilences, etc.
➜ What may actually be true is that they are many in Europe and other continents not Africa.
➜ Are there no other tribes apart from the tribes of the sons of Jacob? Where are they?

Kobojunkie:
1. Ah! I see! So, all that you mentioned must have selectively targeted the bloodline of Jacob to ensure they would not have reached out as far as Nigeria at this point. Got it! 🙄😩😩😩

2. Ah! So, even though many lived, during the time in question in Ethiopia, Egypt, and the surrounding area, they all had to have headed towards Europe after their exile back in 720 BC and then the other beginning in 70 AD. They could not have migrated southwards towards places like Nigeria or even South Africa at all. Even the slaves amongst them had no choice but to head east towards Europe and Africa south of Egypt and Ethiopia was not possible. Got it! 🙄😩😩😩

3. What in the world does this mean?

Antichristian2:
➜We don't have them here!
➜ All these are simply theoretic permutations that does not stand on any proof. Anyways, it is clear to me Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of Israel. Even only the lost ones! And is stand by the fact that Nigeria is not Included. We are not Israelites. No tribe in Nigeria ever speak close to Hebrew or any other semitic languages. None of their cultures is here in Nigeria. Even the Igbos that were claiming so....
➜ Do you expect only Jacob's line to exist in the world? Are there not other tribes back then/

Kobojunkie:
You are certain of this because you have cross-checked the DNAs of all the almost 1 billion people living in Africa to know this, right? Or is it that you expect them all to have badges on their heads saying, "Descendant of Israel/Jacob" before you can approve them of being such? 🙄🙄🙄🙄

2. They don't stand on any proof simply because you have tested the DNA of all almost 1 billion individuals in Africa to be certain that absolutely no Israelites escaped capture by running into Africa, remaining there afterward. If they are not wearing a badge on their heads saying, "Descendant of Israel/Jacob", they cannot be of Israel... is that the case? 🙄🙄🙄🙄

3. Only Jacob's line exists on earth. What are you on about really?

Antichristian2:
➜The onus is on you to prove not me!
➜ In the absence of any concrete proof then all is fallacy! The probablilty to me is extremely low!
➜ Our cultures, languages, everything is different from that of Israel.
➜ Just between 2000 - 2700 years ago then Israelites migrated to Nigeria! When Babylon happened didn't people migrate to Nigeria then?

Kobojunkie:
There is no onus on me since I am not interested in engaging in such mindlessness to begin with.

2. Where is this definitive fact of yours that there are no Israelites in Africa from? I want to know.

3. The same Israelites, some of whom were accused of imbibing cultures of Egyptians, Ethiopians, Assyrians, etc., by their God? Why didn't these different cultures stop them from assimilating the cultures of others? Are you sure you are OK at all?

4. Huh?

Antichristian2:
➜....So How did Hebrew or Semitic languages converted to Yoruba, Hausa/Fulani, Igbo, Ijaw, Tiv, Nupe, Igala,......?

Antichristian2:
So why use parable when you know it will be needing explanation?
Even you close circles don't understand you! Jesus purposely does not want many to be saved according to the verse!

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus was sent to humble people who will respectfully ask him questions about what they don't know not arrogant ones who feels they don't need anyone to teach them.
So in a situation where you have these two sets of people before you a wise person will speak in Proverbs and Idioms so that humble people in the audience will secretly return to him for understanding.
Take for insurance Nicodemus who is a ruler among the Jews, this man has heard Jesus speaking in public like other Pharisees of his caliber but due to being humble he took the pain to locate where Jesus is staying and went to him secretly to know more:

There was a man of the Pharisees named Nic·o·deʹmus, a ruler of the Jews.  This one came to him in the night and said to him: “Rabbi, we know that you have come from God as a teacher, for no one can perform these signs that you perform unless God is with him.” John 3:1-2
When Nicodemus said "we know that you have come from God as a TEACHER" was he talking about all members of his class or humble people?
There is another ruler who did exactly the same as Nicodemus:
And one of the rulers questioned him, saying: “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit everlasting life?” Luke 18:18
Notice how this RULER addressed Jesus "GOOD TEACHER" this shows he is one of those who has heard Jesus speaking to the crowd but now secretly return to learn more.

So Jesus was sent to the whole world but only humble people will gain from him not all:


before the decree takes effect and that day passes like windblown chaff, before the Lord’s fierce anger comes upon you, before the day of the Lord’s wrath comes upon you. Seek the Lord, all you humble of the land, you who do what he commands. Seek righteousness, seek humility; perhaps you will be sheltered on the day of the Lord’s anger. ‭Zephaniah 2:2-3 NIV‬


Knowledge is POWER! John 8:32