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Re: Why Is Christ The Angel Of The Lord ? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:53pm On Mar 18, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
Why then do you say Uriel and Raphael are demons? 🤔🤔🤔
You're arguing from silence🤭
Explain let's know🙃
Where did you get those names? cheesy
Re: Why Is Christ The Angel Of The Lord ? by Emusan(m): 5:57pm On Mar 18, 2025
Truthseeker10:
According to what I understand above.
MAN= nature.
man=person.

MAN= male and female.
man is not = male and female.

man=Adam
woman=Eve

So MAN is nature not an individual person..... but refers to both male and female.
Even though you're trying to differentiate them with capital but that's not the case here.

Remember, the word ADAM means MAN.

On the red color as you understood it.

So which one is more accurate.

The woman was man or the woman is a man?

According to the diagram, God is the Father, The son and the Holy Spirit. John 1:1 mention The word(person) Who is God(nature). Can you bring out the other person mentioned in John 1:1?
The Father!

For you even to agree that The Word is God by NATURE means you don't know what you're arguing against.
Re: Why Is Christ The Angel Of The Lord ? by Gabrielshow24: 6:00pm On Mar 18, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Where did you get those names? cheesy
One is from Esdras.

In short, what you are insinuating is that only angels exists? 🤔

I guess Michael is a captain of two🙃
Re: Why Is Christ The Angel Of The Lord ? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:00pm On Mar 18, 2025
When Jehovah's Witnesses are confidently speaking about what we know you people want to argue.
Please how come the Bible says Moses spoke to Jehovah face to face {Exodus 33:11} Abraham spoke with Jehovah {Genesis 18:3} yet John the apostle said no man has ever seen God at any given time? John 1:18
Definitely it's the angel representing God all these people saw which was Jesus in his prehuman existence! smiley
Re: Why Is Christ The Angel Of The Lord ? by Emusan(m): 6:01pm On Mar 18, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Exodus 13:21 says Jehovah himself was leading the Israelites but it was Chapter 14:19 that reveals its an angel REPRESENTING Jehovah! wink
You're the one who added REPRESENTING not the scripture.

Both Yahweh and Angel visited Abraham later only Angel was mentioned. That doesn't means both did not visit.

Also, we have many instances in the scripture where many people did something but only one or two were mentioned.

Conclusively, reading NWT no one can accurately say there's ONLY ONE ANGEL representing God because many Angels were mentioned in the Bible that actually delivered God's message.
Re: Why Is Christ The Angel Of The Lord ? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:01pm On Mar 18, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
One is from Esdras.
Which Bible book is called by that name? smiley
Re: Why Is Christ The Angel Of The Lord ? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:04pm On Mar 18, 2025
Emusan:
You're the one who added REPRESENTING not the scripture.

Both Yahweh and Angel visited Abraham later only Angel was mentioned. That doesn't means both did not visit.
Good!

Oya explain these scriptures:

“You cannot see my face, for no man can see me and live.” Exodus 33:20

No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him. John 1:18


I'm listening! smiley
Re: Why Is Christ The Angel Of The Lord ? by Emusan(m): 6:07pm On Mar 18, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
When Jehovah's Witnesses are confidently speaking about what we know you people want to argue.
Please how come the Bible says Moses spoke to Jehovah face to face {Exodus 33:11} Abraham spoke with Jehovah {Genesis 18:3} yet John the apostle said no man has ever seen God at any given time? John 1:18
Definitely it's the angel representing God all these people saw which was Jesus in his prehuman existence! smiley
You're saying the scripture is contradictory then.

If the scripture says people speak with God face to face God is not a liar who will instruct people to pen down lies.

When the scripture says people spoke with God face to face, it means God came down (that is bringing Himself to the level He can interact with man).

When John recorded that NO MAN HAS SEEN GOD, John was talking about MAN USING HIS OWN WISDOM AND KNOWLEDGE TO AQUIRE THAT LEVEL.

Read the scripture again.

Context is the key.
Re: Why Is Christ The Angel Of The Lord ? by Truthseeker10: 6:10pm On Mar 18, 2025
Emusan:
Even though you're trying to differentiate them with capital but that's not the case here.

Remember, the word ADAM means MAN.

On the red color as you understood it.

So which one is more accurate.

The woman was man or the woman is a man?
I don't want to get confused with your explanation.
You clearly said that MAN Is Generic that refers to nature which is male and female.

ADAM= person.
According to your explanation, ADAM= MAN by nature not by person.

Woman=Eve.
THE Woman is MAN(nature) is correct.
The WOMAN is a MAN(nature) is also correct.
Except you explain the difference between MAN and A MAN.

The Father!

For you even to agree that The Word is God by NATURE means you don't know what you're arguing against.
Kindly bring out where John 1:1 says the word(person) was with The Father(person).
Re: Why Is Christ The Angel Of The Lord ? by Emusan(m): 6:10pm On Mar 18, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Good!

Oya explain these scriptures:

“You cannot see my face, for no man can see me and live.” Exodus 33:20

No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him. John 1:18


Exodus God was talking about man using his own power to see Him.

Remember, the same God told Moses, there is a PART OF ME you can see.

Did God lie when He showed Moses that PART OF HIM?

Don't dodge my question.

Which means I can make you see what I wanted you to see of me.

I've addressed the other point.

I'm listening! smiley
Re: Why Is Christ The Angel Of The Lord ? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:10pm On Mar 18, 2025
Emusan:
You're saying the scripture is contradictory then.
Ọmọ God's word doesn't contradicts it's you people who refuse to learn that's giving yourself the problem.

God cannot be seen {John 1:18 compare to Exodus 33:20} but the god who always represents him can be seen.


Simple as ABC! smiley
Re: Why Is Christ The Angel Of The Lord ? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:12pm On Mar 18, 2025
Emusan:
Exodus God was talking about man using his own power to see Him.

Remember, the same God told Moses, there is a PART OF ME you can see.

Did God lie when He showed Moses that PART OF HIM?

Don't dodge my question.
God only showed Moses his glory not his face! smiley
Re: Why Is Christ The Angel Of The Lord ? by Gabrielshow24: 6:12pm On Mar 18, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Which Bible book is called by that name? smiley
Do your research 🤔now?
It's in the Catholic canonized version 🙃
Re: Why Is Christ The Angel Of The Lord ? by Gabrielshow24: 6:13pm On Mar 18, 2025
It goes to show that the Jews believed in four principal archangels🙃!!!

One of which is your Michael 🤭
Re: Why Is Christ The Angel Of The Lord ? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:14pm On Mar 18, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
Do your research 🤔now?
It's in the Catholic canonized version 🙃
OK so you be Catholic or you just pick up things from wherever you get it to join with whatever you find in the Bible? cheesy

Ọmọ Catholics aren't Christians but if you believe otherwise then how come all other religions rejected that version? cheesy
Re: Why Is Christ The Angel Of The Lord ? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:16pm On Mar 18, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
It goes to show that the Jews believed in four principal archangels🙃!!!
One of which is your Michael 🤭
The Jews have left God long time ago that is why God rejected their nation {Matthew 21:43; 23:37-38} they practice spiritism! smiley
Re: Why Is Christ The Angel Of The Lord ? by Emusan(m): 6:17pm On Mar 18, 2025
Truthseeker10:
I don't want to get confused with your explanation.
You clearly said that MAN Is Generic that refers to nature which is male and female.
Which you agreed with, or you didn't?

ADAM= person.
According to your explanation, ADAM= MAN by nature not by person.
Adam is also equal PERSON because that was the first MALE called.

So in a nutshell:

Adam = Nature
Adam = person(the first male)

Woman=Eve.
THE Woman is MAN(nature) is correct.
The WOMAN is a MAN(nature) is also correct.
Except you explain the difference between MAN and A MAN.
MAN = NATURE.

To say A MAN, let's go with your insertion.

The woman is a nature.

Which is very wrong.

So, the whole point is that, since the word MAN is generic THE WOMAN can be WITH MAN.

Do you agree?

Kindly bring out where John 1:1 says the word(person) was with The Father(person).
John didn't use FATHER in John 1:1 but The God and God were used.

One is the person and the second is the NATURE.
Re: Why Is Christ The Angel Of The Lord ? by Gabrielshow24: 6:18pm On Mar 18, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
OK so you be Catholic or you just pick up things from wherever you get it to join with whatever you find in the Bible? cheesy

Ọmọ Catholics aren't Christians but if you believe otherwise then how come all other religions rejected that version? cheesy
I didn't say I was but you are free to assume such.

I am just pointing out an apocryphal book that belonged to the Jews, imbibed by the Catholics!

Others being the book of Enoch, maccabees etc.
You get my gist.
Hence from an historical basis, the Jews believed in four principal Archangels.

Uriel is also credited with being the angel that smote the Assyrians🙃.

Whether you allude to it or not is not my business.
My own was to show the existence of "other" Archangels 🤧 even in Jewish traditions!!!
Re: Why Is Christ The Angel Of The Lord ? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:20pm On Mar 18, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
I am just pointing out an apocryphal book that belonged to the Jews, imbibed by the Catholics!
Jews rejected Jesus till today those names belongs to demons they are using till now! smiley
Re: Why Is Christ The Angel Of The Lord ? by Gabrielshow24: 6:21pm On Mar 18, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
The Jews have left God long time ago that is why God rejected their nation {Matthew 21:43; 23:37-38} they practice spiritism! smiley
😂😂😂It doesn't change the fact.
They had these books🤔.
Which they used to judge spiritual matters.

Protestants didn't feel the need to include such books because at best they just provided extra knowledge but weren't central to our salvation 🙃.
Re: Why Is Christ The Angel Of The Lord ? by Emusan(m): 6:21pm On Mar 18, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ God's word doesn't contradicts it's you people who refuse to learn that's giving yourself the problem.
So God was lying when the scripture says He was seen face to face.

You must choose one.

cheesy grin grin cheesy grin

God cannot be seen {John 1:18 compare to Exodus 33:20} but the god who always represents him can be seen.


Simple as ABC! smiley
Yes God can't be seen by man in their own wisdom and power.

Scripture shows how God REVEALED HIMSELF to people.

Read John 1 clearly
Re: Why Is Christ The Angel Of The Lord ? by Gabrielshow24: 6:21pm On Mar 18, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Jews rejected Jesus till today those names belongs to demons they are using till now! smiley
That's an ill thought statement 😂😂😂.
One you can't substantiate because you arguing from silence 🤭
Re: Why Is Christ The Angel Of The Lord ? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:23pm On Mar 18, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
😂😂😂It doesn't change the fact.
They had these books🤔.
Which they used to judge spiritual matters. Protestants didn't feel the need to include such books because at best they just provided extra knowledge but weren't central to our salvation 🙃.
Jews practice SPIRITISM that's why they rejected Jesus! wink
Re: Why Is Christ The Angel Of The Lord ? by Emusan(m): 6:23pm On Mar 18, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
God only showed Moses his glory not his face! smiley
But the scripture says IT'S back side of God Moses saw not GLORY.

Why are you lying?
Re: Why Is Christ The Angel Of The Lord ? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:23pm On Mar 18, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
That's an ill thought statement 😂😂😂.
One you can't substantiate because you arguing from silence 🤭
God's word never includes those names! wink
Re: Why Is Christ The Angel Of The Lord ? by Gabrielshow24: 6:24pm On Mar 18, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Jews practice SPIRITISM that's why they rejected Jesus! wink
They do not practice spiritism!
That's wrong😂😂😂

A Christian saying Jews are practicing spiritism should be stoned😂😂😂.

What do you know as spiritism?
Re: Why Is Christ The Angel Of The Lord ? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:25pm On Mar 18, 2025
Emusan:
But the scripture says IT'S back side of God Moses saw not GLORY.
Why are you lying?
I'm using terms that reasonable persons will understand.
God is a Spirit {John 4:24} so whatever he showed anyone is his glory! smiley
Re: Why Is Christ The Angel Of The Lord ? by Emusan(m): 6:25pm On Mar 18, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
God's word never includes those names! wink
The scripture says there's are legions of Angels.

because God's word never mentioned their names, do you mean they don't exist?
Re: Why Is Christ The Angel Of The Lord ? by Gabrielshow24: 6:26pm On Mar 18, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
God's word never includes those names! wink
Absence of evidence is not evidence itself😂😂😂.

How can you not see that!
I can conclude they were mentioned along with the plural word "angels" 😂😂😂
Re: Why Is Christ The Angel Of The Lord ? by Gabrielshow24: 6:27pm On Mar 18, 2025
You seem to forget that when people here call JW fools.
Don't you know your name is being mentioned 😂😂😂😂
Re: Why Is Christ The Angel Of The Lord ? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:28pm On Mar 18, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
They do not practice spiritism!
That's wrong😂😂😂
A Christian saying Jews are practicing spiritism should be stoned😂😂😂.
What do you know as spiritism?
Why do you think they rejected Jesus?

Ọmọ they practiced spiritism which led to their people being possessed by those demons.

They prefer to have those demons than to be free from them because such demons are useful for their practices! wink
Re: Why Is Christ The Angel Of The Lord ? by Truthseeker10: 6:28pm On Mar 18, 2025
Emusan:
Which you agreed with, or you didn't?



Adam is also equal PERSON because that was the first MALE called.

So in a nutshell:

Adam = Nature
Adam = person(the first male)
So If The Word "Adam" refers to person and nature, how does it correlate to John 1:1?



MAN = NATURE.

To say A MAN, let's go with your insertion.

The woman is a nature.

Which is very wrong.

So, the whole point is that, since the word MAN is generic THE WOMAN can be WITH MAN.

Do you agree?
So are you saying that The WOMAN(person) who is MAN(NATURE) is with MAN(NATURE)?



John didn't use FATHER in John 1:1 but The God and God were used.

One is the person and the second is the NATURE.
Please what translation uses "THE GOD" and "GOD" in John 1:1 because the Kjv does not use it?

King James Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

New King James Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
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