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jaephoenix:
Character of god? Wtf is that?
No wonder there are a thousand denoms. So many folks changing the bible and talking rubbish.
So u allow abduction of women? Yes or no

The bible doesn't even allow abduction talk less of abduction of women🤨

Exodus clearly condemns that.
The Israelites proffered that solution to make their brother, Benjamin, continue to strive!!!

You ignored everything and construed a straw man!
I even told you of Jesus' statement were he alluded that a lot of things were permitted but were not supposed to be!!!

I said the character of God, in terms of sending a messenger or a sign of warning made me extrapolate backwards.

It's just an assumption to counter your allusions that God didn't warn them!

You seem to imply that God should have sent Moses to each nation one after the other telling them about him!!!

At best, you are arguing from silence!!!

jaephoenix:
Im waiting for the verse, bro. When u r done dancing around lemme know

I don't dance, I have given you the historical background yet you seem to be misunderstanding Paul.

The questions there, you failed to answer 🤔 because you know if you answered them that your conclusion fails miserably!!!

Thank God, Priscilla was mentioned in the bible and highly regarded that's how tramps like you will be looking for what to use against God🙃

Now answer me, is Priscilla not a woman why did she preach?🤔
Why was she allowed to train great teachers such as Apollos?🤨

You do know that law of non-contradiction renders your allusion irrelevant.🤨

jaephoenix:
So he has the powers to instruct slaves but not the masters. So what does that tell you?

Is he a secular head? 🤨
He is a religious head🤔

What do you want him to do? 🥲
The best he can do is to advise those concerned to look beyond physical things!

Gabrielshow24:
Is he a secular head? 🤨
He is a religious head🤔

What do you want him to do? 🥲
The best he can do is to advise those concerned to look beyond physical things!

He's a religious head instructing slaves to be subservient. Same religious head should tell the slavemasters to free their slaves. After all he gave many instructions to Christians about their lifestyles and finances
This excuse no be am

Gabrielshow24:
He doesn't have the power🤔.

The people he could relate with were the christian slaves themselves telling them to hold their peace!!!

So he can't relate with the masters? Same masters he has been spiritual head to? Same masters he can instruct on how they can live their lives?
Oga ur verbal gymnastics is top notch

Gabrielshow24:
Are they not part of his fold?
Or are their slaves masters part of his fold? 🤨

If it at best, he can only implore them 🤔.
Also, it's something we don't know whether he did or "others" might have done so on their behalf🤔.

No letter to suggest such.
So no one can tell, we can only speculate🤨

So there is no evidence whatsoever that he or others implored the slavemasters to stop slavery but Gabrielshow, a random dvmmy on Nairaland is speculating?
This is more awesome

Gabrielshow24:
The bible doesn't even allow abduction talk less of abduction of women🤨

Exodus clearly condemns that.
The Israelites proffered that solution to make their brother, Benjamin, continue to strive!!!

You ignored everything and construed a straw man!
I even told you of Jesus' statement were he alluded that a lot of things were permitted but were not supposed to be!!!

I said the character of God, in terms of sending a messenger or a sign of warning made me extrapolate backwards.

It's just an assumption to counter your allusions that God didn't warn them!

You seem to imply that God should have sent Moses to each nation one after the other telling them about him!!!

At best, you are arguing from silence!!!

Yahweh clearly endorses slavery

Leviticus 19:20-22
New Revised Standard Version Updated Edition
20 “If a man has sexual relations with a woman who is a slave, designated for another man but not ransomed or given her freedom, an inquiry shall be held. They shall not be put to death, since she has not been freed, 21 but he shall bring a guilt offering for himself to the Lord, at the entrance of the tent of meeting, a ram as guilt offering. 22 And the priest shall make atonement for him with the ram of guilt offering before the Lord for his sin that he committed, and the sin he committed shall be forgiven him.

From the above, I can see he allows the man to rape a woman, and the 'punishment'? A guilt offering. Maybe a fowl
Such a loving god. No jail time, no beating. Nothing. Just a slap on the wrist.
Imagine if rapists are allowed to bring a fowl for raping your sister. I'm sure you would be happy (u have already said u r good with that). And u were dvmb enough to say common law is built from your babble

Leviticus 25:44-46
New International Version
44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
So what does Yahweh mean your slaves can come from neighboring lands? So Israelites would walk up to a dude in the next country and ask them, "Bro, be my slave. I'll beat u at my convenience, force u to work ur ass off without payment, and own u forever". So there are no abductions?
The problem of the bible isn't that its horrific. The problem is 'sane' and 'educated' folks like u bending over backwards, contorting urself into any imaginable form just to paint the horrors with nice colors

Gabrielshow24:
I don't dance, I have given you the historical background yet you seem to be misunderstanding Paul.

The questions there, you failed to answer 🤔 because you know if you answered them that your conclusion fails miserably!!!

Thank God, Priscilla was mentioned in the bible and highly regarded that's how tramps like you will be looking for what to use against God🙃

Now answer me, is Priscilla not a woman why did she preach?🤔
Why was she allowed to train great teachers such as Apollos?🤨

You do know that law of non-contradiction renders your allusion irrelevant.🤨

Apart from Apollos, ho did Priscilla teach? I’m telling you passages, (not one but two) where Paul made his stand clear and u r talking trash. Some denoms don't even allow women into their leadership no matter how rich, knowledgeable and powerful she is. They would point to those verses you just dishonesty twisted to escape scrutiny. Its just recently that women started becoming heads in some orthodox churches, and that happened cos as humans we have decided to dump the bible once again and listen to reason, just like we dumped the bible when it promoted slavery. So are you saying those denoms that still bar women into leadership dont understand what Paul wrote? Dishonest basstaed like you

jaephoenix:
Apart from Apollos, ho did Priscilla teach? I’m telling you passages, (not one but two) where Paul made his stand clear and u r talking trash. Some denoms don't even allow women into their leadership no matter how rich, knowledgeable and powerful she is. They would point to those verses you just dishonesty twisted to escape scrutiny. Its just recently that women started becoming heads in some orthodox churches, and that happened cos as humans we have decided to dump the bible once again and listen to reason, just like we dumped the bible when it promoted slavery. So are you saying those denoms that still bar women into leadership dont understand what Paul wrote? Dishonest basstaed like you

First of all, you are the one being dishonest!!!

Paul made it clear yet you failed to follow the context!!!

The fact that Priscilla taught Apollos negates your entire premise and conclusion!!!

I am sure she taught others!!!
Paul's stance is well documented but you spinned its meaning upside down!!!

If your conclusion fails the basic law of non-contradiction 😂😂😂

I have nothing further to say to you!!!
Paul praised Priscilla, go read about it!!!
Stop parading your stupidity for the world to see!!!

jaephoenix:
So there is no evidence whatsoever that he or others implored the slavemasters to stop slavery but Gabrielshow, a random dvmmy on Nairaland is speculating?
This is more awesome

You made that assumption, I am elucidating the possibilities.

From my elucidations you can see there is no substantial proof that he wrote to the slavemasters!!!

Those he wrote to were Christians!!!
Also how does this relate to the topic at hand?
It's a diversion at best!!!
Stick to your problem statement 🤨!!!

jaephoenix:
He's a religious head instructing slaves to be subservient. Same religious head should tell the slavemasters to free their slaves. After all he gave many instructions to Christians about their lifestyles and finances
This excuse no be am

You're a fool,
Is he a secular Head? 🤨

Your foolishness is bothersome.
In a bid to spite Christianity, you stoop so low!!!

jaephoenix:
Apart from Apollos, ho did Priscilla teach? I’m telling you passages, (not one but two) where Paul made his stand clear and u r talking trash. Some denoms don't even allow women into their leadership no matter how rich, knowledgeable and powerful she is. They would point to those verses you just dishonesty twisted to escape scrutiny. Its just recently that women started becoming heads in some orthodox churches, and that happened cos as humans we have decided to dump the bible once again and listen to reason, just like we dumped the bible when it promoted slavery. So are you saying those denoms that still bar women into leadership dont understand what Paul wrote? Dishonest basstaed like you

I'm not dishonest!!!
You are the one not taking context into view inorder to fit your narrative!!!

Yet you keep displaying your foolishness for the world to see!!!

Like I have explained before, Paul made those verses as a guideline, intended to ensure only those learned could speak!!!
Priscilla among other early instrumental church women were learned of the word that's why not even Paul could oppose them!!!

These women earned Paul's praise!!!
Those denoms that take this verse at face value did not get the context in the same way you also did not get the context, right!!!

If you don't read early church documents and familiarize yourself with traditions, both of the Jews and early christians, you won't get the context!!!

That's why they say you should read the bible in context because of fools like you!!!!!

Now who's being intellectually dishonest? 😂😂😂
Bloody "bastard"!!!
Trying so hard to blame God for his Father's self destructive actions!!!

The Physician that doesn't know simple "book reading context"!!!
What a shame!!!

Gabrielshow24:
First of all, you are the one being dishonest!!!

Paul made it clear yet you failed to follow the context!!!

The fact that Priscilla taught Apollos negates your entire premise and conclusion!!!

I am sure she taught others!!!
Paul's stance is well documented but you spinned its meaning upside down!!!

If your conclusion fails the basic law of non-contradiction 😂😂😂

I have nothing further to say to you!!!
Paul praised Priscilla, go read about it!!!
Stop parading your stupidity for the world to see!!!

Paul's stance is well documented which is what he wrote there on two passages. Continue to dance and sing around the topic

Gabrielshow24:
You made that assumption, I am elucidating the possibilities.

From my elucidations you can see there is no substantial proof that he wrote to the slavemasters!!!

Those he wrote to were Christians!!!
Also how does this relate to the topic at hand?
It's a diversion at best!!!
Stick to your problem statement 🤨!!!

I didn’t make any assumptions. I'm simply relaying word for word what Paul said. You're the one twisting the narrative out of context.
Even Christiendom don't recognize women teachers til recently. Are you saying they can't read and understand the Bible but u, a lil rat can read it?

Gabrielshow24:
You're a fool,
Is he a secular Head? 🤨

Your foolishness is bothersome.
In a bid to spite Christianity, you stoop so low!!!

He's not a secular head but he's writing letters to Galatians, Ephesians, Colosians etc elucidating them on how they should run threat lifestyle. Imbecilic cretard like u

Gabrielshow24:
I'm not dishonest!!!
You are the one not taking context into view inorder to fit your narrative!!!

Yet you keep displaying your foolishness for the world to see!!!

Like I have explained before, Paul made those verses as a guideline, intended to ensure only those learned could speak!!!
Priscilla among other early instrumental church women were learned of the word that's why not even Paul could oppose them!!!

These women earned Paul's praise!!!
Those denoms that take this verse at face value did not get the context in the same way you also did not get the context, right!!!

If you don't read early church documents and familiarize yourself with traditions, both of the Jews and early christians, you won't get the context!!!

That's why they say you should read the bible in context because of fools like you!!!!!

Now who's being intellectually dishonest? 😂😂😂
Bloody "bastard"!!!
Trying so hard to blame God for his Father's self destructive actions!!!

The Physician that doesn't know simple "book reading context"!!!
What a shame!!!

From Priscillia, u r now talking about 'those women'?
U dodged the point I made about Christianity ignoring women because it would shoot down your lies. At least anyone reading these posts would know how dishonest and idddiotc u r
And where did I blame any god for my father? Are you this dafttt in the daytime

jaephoenix:
Paul's stance is well documented which is what he wrote there on two passages. Continue to dance and sing around the topic

You should take your own advise!
The context is clear!
You're the one clearly ignoring it!!! 😂😂😂

jaephoenix:
From Priscillia, u r now talking about 'those women'?
U dodged the point I made about Christianity ignoring women because it would shoot down your lies. At least anyone reading these posts would know how dishonest and idddiotc u r
And where did I blame any god for my father? Are you this dafttt in the daytime

I didn't dodge any point, you said women were relegated to the sidelines 😂😂😂 when there's evidence to the contrary!!!

You are the one that is very daft!!!
In a bid to spite Christianity your wisdom is besmeared!!!

Foolishness is indeed bliss!!!

jaephoenix:
He's not a secular head but he's writing letters to Galatians, Ephesians, Colosians etc elucidating them on how they should run threat lifestyle. Imbecilic cretard like u

You don't have anything to say,
It's a baseless assumption!!!

He is writing letters to the christians in Galatians, collosians, Ephesians and Corinthians!!!

Emphasis on "christians".
Don't be foolish!!!

jaephoenix:
I didn’t make any assumptions. I'm simply relaying word for word what Paul said. You're the one twisting the narrative out of context.
Even Christiendom don't recognize women teachers til recently. Are you saying they can't read and understand the Bible but u, a lil rat can read it?

Yet you are not taking context into view!!!

If any one at face value saw the verse where Jesus said "destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up", you would have told the person that Jesus meant the "temple" and not his body!!!

You are indeed foolish!!!

Gabrielshow24:
I didn't dodge any point, you said women were relegated to the sidelines 😂😂😂 when there's evidence to the contrary!!!

You are the one that is very daft!!!
In a bid to spite Christianity your wisdom is besmeared!!!

Foolishness is indeed bliss!!!

So how come christianity relegates women? How come u dont see women priests, fathers in Catholic Church ? In fact ,its recently women priests came into Anglicans, Methodists etc. Am I the one doing that one again or were they obeying what Paul said? Lol 😆
U have talked yourself into a jam here

Gabrielshow24:
You don't have anything to say,
It's a baseless assumption!!!

He is writing letters to the christians in Galatians, collosians, Ephesians and Corinthians!!!

Emphasis on "christians".
Don't be foolish!!!

And those christians had slaves too!
So if he told them what to do, surely they'll listen

Gabrielshow24:
Yet you are not taking context into view!!!

If any one at face value saw the verse where Jesus said "destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up", you would have told the person that Jesus meant the "temple" and not his body!!!

You are indeed foolish!!!

So Paul was talking in riddles too? Lol 😆

jaephoenix:
And those christians had slaves too!
So if he told them what to do, surely they'll listen

😂😂😂
As usual conflating different things together.
Your statement above is not coherent to the discussion at all.

We are talking about christian slaves not christian masters.

jaephoenix:
So Paul was talking in riddles too? Lol 😆

Whatever keeps you going.
So far so good,
Your problem statement has been found wanting, it lacked proper context!!!

jaephoenix:
So how come christianity relegates women? How come u dont see women priests, fathers in Catholic Church ? In fact ,its recently women priests came into Anglicans, Methodists etc. Am I the one doing that one again or were they obeying what Paul said? Lol 😆
U have talked yourself into a jam here

I didn't talk myself into a jam!
Like I said earlier, if indeed you were paying attention you would have found the answer to this.

Paul gave a guideline.
Paul appealed to the preeminence of man to sell his point.

Yet if you read properly to get the context, you will see the self same Paul praising "some women".

What made their cases different?
Why did they warrant Paul's praise?
A simple background check along with an historical study of the period reveals the traditions that inspired such verses!!!

The self same Paul didn't find it a problem that Priscilla taught Apollos.
She taught others as well.

The message he was passing across was overshadowed by some people's need to Lord over others!!!

Thus they made a guideline into a law!!!
The same way the illiteracy of Mohammed, made him make Peter's "advise" into a compulsion for ladies - burka

Moreover, some today still dispute over the wearing of jewellery using peter's advise as a strong condemnation for it.
It's not a set law, it was an advise that the women should dress humbly and not adorn themselves with earthly things.
Likewise Paul's "guideline" was for "order" in the church.
Where order above meant the prerequisites of "knowledge" before "exhibition"