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Military in the garb of civilian.

zero8zero:
Obidients supported and celebrated the Junta from their rooms in Nigeria. See where they have pushed the people of Niger republic. When they support you, forget it, you're finished.

Where did they push the people to? You supported APC see where you pushed 9ja to

kunleham:
Just say you're justifying your support for the military rules in niger.
That's corrective about the military rules? Military rules is the genesis of the Nigerian problem.
The worst of the civilian rules is more rewarding than the best of the military.

Except in Nigeria

masseratti:
historical fact .lolzzz it's very easy to know kids born after 1999....name one African nation that was developed by a military Government..if you mention Gadafi ...I will laugh you from earth to moon .

Nigeria. It has gotten worse since 1999, roads and bridges built in the military are stronger than what we have today. It has gotten worse year after year since democracy

If The Military Knows Themselves, This is What We Urgently Need Now

They took away from their fulani president...
Let the junta rule for the next five years and let's see where he takes them to.

God bless Niger...
God bless Nigeria...
God bless Africa...

miketayo:
Nigeria. It has gotten worse since 1999, roads and bridges built in the military are stronger than what we have today. It has gotten worse year after year since democracy

oga..fela sang song in early 80s, was Nigeria ok then ?or better then ..the problem we are in right now was compounded by the military..India never had military.. Pakistan had can you see the difference..same religious fanatic,same people difference.

African is still bush in terms of governance. No election, no manifesto, just become cicilian president. What Abacha could not do, Niger junta did it.

AmazingGenius:
Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c241e115161o

I bet you he will remain there for the next 30 years. Na so e take dey start

masseratti:
oga..fela sang song in early 80s, was Nigeria ok then ?or better then ..the problem we are in right now was compounded by the military..India never had military.. Pakistan had can you see the difference..same religious fanatic,same people difference.

Imagine what Fela would sing if he was alive today.
The problem today started with OBJ, he didn't hit the reset button in 1999.
Indians are not fanatics, Pakistan problem is the same problem with many Muslim countries has nothing to do with democracy or military.

Botragelad:
Lol. What historical fact are you talking about?
When Spain transitioned from Franco’s fascism to democracy, it wasn’t tanks or military but elections that built stability or your own idea of “corrective action” is to suspend constitutions, murder dissenters, and hoard power?. Democracies, no matter how shambolic, at least allow citizens to change leaders.

Name one military regime that left a nation more democratic, prosperous, and free than it found it.

Libya under Gaddafi. Egypt under Gamal Abdel Nasar. Nigeria under Murtala Mohammed.

DaddyCoool:
This is the mentality that has Africa underdeveloped.

That is because you don't understand the meaning of development.
You think it is high rise buildings in certain district or having the record for the longest road, tallest building blablabla.
Generally, things that amuse the lower class.

DEMOCRACY IS NOT FOR EVERYONE!

Absolutely, that is why you can simply move to an autocratic state to escape democracy.

China doesn't have democracy,

China actively suppress democracy movement.
Note the difference.
And the fact that Taiwan exists as a democratic and prosperous state prove that
their is nothing special in Chinese nor deterministic autocracy. It is just a means to maintain elite power.

neither does Russia!

Sp what?
Massive oil reserve plus nukes courtesy of its eastern colonies.

Gadafi was military.

So what?
What was Gaddaffi's achievement?
Sharing a little of the abundant oil resources to Libya's few citizens.
Any idiot can do that.

The best and most expensive Nigerian building abroad (Nigeria house near UN in NYC) could NOT have been built under demo - because it is a "waste of money"!

I suspect you have a naive view of development and you just confirmed it.
Governance is all about pomp and pageantry to you, the people be damned.

It is no surprise that you worship the visionless spendthrift military guys
who enjoyed massive oil boom but could not deliver any nationwide essential
infrastructure.

amazingspiderma:
Corrupt Democratic leadership always attracts military government.

It is a corrective measure, to save a nation from self destruction.

This is a historical fact.

You mean the same way Babangida and Abacha saved our nation. Which tribe are you? I hope you are not from people who foolishly believed Buhari was dead and later clone with Jibrin from Sudan? Hahahaha

Adebishow:
When you attract the military to power, they will consolidate and never let go.

The are predictable in that context. Nonsense!

That is the reason poor democracies are better than the best of military because they are autocratic, ruthless and power grabbers.

Sounds like you are referring to the authocrstic democrats in Nigeria.

Xisnin:
That is because you don't understand the meaning of development.
You think it is high rise buildings in certain district or having the record for the longest road, tallest building blablabla.
Generally, things that amuse the lower class.


Absolutely, that is why you can simply move to an autocratic state to escape democracy.


China actively suppress democracy movement.
Note the difference.
And the fact that Taiwan exists as a democratic and prosperous state prove that
their is nothing special in Chinese nor deterministic autocracy. It is just a means to maintain elite power.


Sp what?
Massive oil reserve plus nukes courtesy of its eastern colonies.


So what?
What was Gaddaffi's achievement?
Sharing a little of the abundant oil resources to Libya's few citizens.
Any idiot can do that.


I suspect you have a naive view of development and you just confirmed it.
Governance is all about pomp and pageantry to you, the people be damned.

It is no surprise that you worship the visionless spendthrift military guys
who enjoyed massive oil boom but could not deliver any nationwide essential
infrastructure.

You're talking foolish. Development is NOT having all these wanton kidnappings all over the place like we have today. Do you think that'd be happening under military? The funny thing is that we really don't have democracy. Example, no force on earth can remove Tinubu from Aso Rock except an act of God - no matter the will of the people!

It is no surprise that you worship the visionless spendthrift military guys
who enjoyed massive oil boom but could not deliver any nationwide essential
infrastructure.[/quote]Nationwide essential infrastructure like what that they couldn't deliver, Sir?
Is it road infrastructure?
Tertiary hospitals?
Refineries?
Railways?
National Air Carrier?
Universities and other specialized Institutions of higher learning?
Housing?
Bridges?
Pipe borne water?
Hydro -Electric Dams?

All these are nationwide essential infrastructures you are talking about which the military provided.
Even if I wasn't born to see when most of those critical infrastructures were built by the military,but at least, I have now opened eyes to come and see most of them still standing till today.

Now tell us,which nationwide essential infrastructure that democratic government since 1999 till date have built with the oil boom which the military didn't build?

1BillionThumbs:
Citizens didn't choose Tinubu in the last election mind you. So the democracy we're practicing here is undemocratic.

Lol. U will keep denying reality for the next 8 years. The delusion u guys have tbat someone who came 3rd won needs to be studied. Even if we give Obi Rivers, he still didn't win nothing.

There u got it wrong again.
Shagari did not win any elections and was and is an illegal and illegitimate President.
The main reason why Buhari had him removed in a coup.
Shonekan had more legitimacy than Shagari.
Go and verify.

DaddyCoool:
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@bolded, The military that handed over to Shagari did just that

masseratti:
sani what ?I will say it again its always pleasant when uyo parents where the ones feeding you if you were alive during sani Abacha time..twenty years from now toddlers of today will sing praises of Gej,Buhari,Tinubu.. claiming it's the best days of theor years ... because they don't know what you went through to put food on their table.military government is a no no ..nevee pray for it ..its the most corrupt..look at the one now he said the reason he took over was that jihadist are killing military men..are they still not killing?he said transition for 3 years..now he has extend it to 5 years..which am 100% sure he will contest in and win ..why can't their words be theoe bonds ..trust me we are very lucky in Nigeria..no military man can rule Nigeria for 10years ..his own peers will edge him out ..ask IBB ans Gowon..oga no pray for military Government pls ..let just keep on patching our civilians till it gets better .

In your haste to respond emotionally, you are making silly mistakes of typos

I was a full grown adult when Abacha ruled Nigeria from Nov.17 1993 to June 8. 1998 (when he died)

If you were an adult then, as you claim in your response, where is /are the lie/lies in my opinion about the Abacha era?

If indeed you were alive then as you claim, the hunger in Nigeria today, was it same with then (1993-1998) ? YES or NO

Did you ever hear of anyone kidnapped ? (Even when the likes Mexico and Honduras were experiencing it then, it never happened in Nigeria)


Yes, the military does not rule by voter's consent - Does your vote count in this democracy? so what is the difference?

Meanwhile under the military - criminals know they will face the bullet after tribunal judgement - BUT under your democracy, certified bandits

and kidnappers who have blood on their hands are busy getting NECO result inside jail, getting payed, served with delicious food and recruited

to join the army and other security agencies - they are getting better welfare package than you - who is not a criminal


IF THAT IS THE DEMOCRACY YOU ARE PRAISING HERE - MAY THE GOOD LORD FORGIVE YOU!

franvincoop:
There u got it wrong again.
Shagari did not win any elections and was and is an illegal and illegitimate President.
The main reason why Buhari had him removed in a coup.
Shonekan had more legitimacy than Shagari.
Go and verify.

Who won the election?

amazingspiderma:
Corrupt Democratic leadership always attracts military government.

It is a corrective measure, to save a nation from self destruction.

This is a historical fact.

Wake up. Military rulers will only worsen the living conditions of the citizens, they don't have solution to problems created by Democrats. Citizens will only end up losing the only one thing that they enjoy under democracy which is their Freedom

https://saharareporters.com/2013/01/26/awolowo-vs-shagari-day-law-died-nigeria-seyi-olu-awofeso

After reading you will understand why Buhari did Nigeria a favour by removing Shagari.
I repeat even Shonekan appointed by IBB had more legitimacy than Shagari.

The same magic OBJ did in 1979 elections with Shagari is the same magic he performed with Yaradua in 2007.
If I say Yaradua was an illegal and illegitimate President, you will also ask me who won the elections.

ThankGod Yaradua himself said it as President and the same reason why he formed a government of national unity with 2 opposition parties in same 2007.

Good day

DaddyCoool:
Who won the election?

franvincoop:
https://saharareporters.com/2013/01/26/awolowo-vs-shagari-day-law-died-nigeria-seyi-olu-awofeso

After reading you will understand why Buhari did Nigeria a favour by removing Shagari.
I repeat even Shonekan appointed by IBB had more legitimacy than Shagari.

The same magic OBJ did in 1979 elections with Shagari is the same magic he performed with Yaradua in 2007.
If I say Yaradua was an illegal and illegitimate President, you will also ask me who won the elections.

ThankGod Yaradua himself said it as President and the same reason why he formed a government of national unity with 2 opposition parties in same 2007.

Good day

You didn't answer the question

Botragelad:
Lol. What historical fact are you talking about?
When Spain transitioned from Franco’s fascism to democracy, it wasn’t tanks or military but elections that built stability or your own idea of “corrective action” is to suspend constitutions, murder dissenters, and hoard power?. Democracies, no matter how shambolic, at least allow citizens to change leaders.

Name one military regime that left a nation more democratic, prosperous, and free than it found it.

I am quoting you based on your Signature, please help me get a 500,000 Loan

Sore loser, 8 million Nigerians are citizens who chose him in a landslide in the last elections. You must have lost your mind!

1BillionThumbs:
Citizens didn't choose Tinubu in the last election mind you. So the democracy we're practicing here is undemocratic.

Truthcat:
Sore loser, 8 million Nigerians are citizens who chose him in a landslide in the last elections. You must have lost your mind!

keep fooling yourself. You're working for your money. Month has ended and your masters will soon pay you. Hope it is worth it? Will it take care of your future generations?

You can’t judge me by your standards which is stomach infrastructure and pay per comment. You better believe that there are people who stand on principle come hell or high water, nothing can move them from what they believe. People like you make me feel like a saint, but thank God that I’m super down to earth.

1BillionThumbs:
keep fooling yourself. You're working for your money. Month has ended and your masters will soon pay you. Hope it is worth it? Will it take care of your future generations?

Truthcat:
You can’t judge me by your standards which is stomach infrastructure and pay per comment. You better believe that there are people who stand on principle come hell or high water, nothing can move them from what they believe. People like you make me feel like a saint, but thank God that I’m super down to earth.

And what exactly are those your principles that compel you to keep supporting a failure, Saint Deluded?

My principle is to be consistent and follow the best brain that president Tinubu is. Everyone has a price but I don’t, just maybe my children, never money!
Only in your deranged mind that you would think president Tinubu is a failure.

1BillionThumbs:
And what exactly are those your principles that compel you to keep supporting a failure, Saint Deluded?

ogbonti:
In your haste to respond emotionally, you are making silly mistakes of typos

I was a full grown adult when Abacha ruled Nigeria from Nov.17 1993 to June 8. 1998 (when he died)

If you were an adult then, as you claim in your response, where is /are the lie/lies in my opinion about the Abacha era?

If indeed you were alive then as you claim, the hunger in Nigeria today, was it same with then (1993-1998) ? YES or NO

Did you ever hear of anyone kidnapped ? (Even when the likes Mexico and Honduras were experiencing it then, it never happened in Nigeria)


Yes, the military does not rule by voter's consent - Does your vote count in this democracy? so what is the difference?

Meanwhile under the military - criminals know they will face the bullet after tribunal judgement - BUT under your democracy, certified bandits

and kidnappers who have blood on their hands are busy getting NECO result inside jail, getting payed, served with delicious food and recruited

to join the army and other security agencies - they are getting better welfare package than you - who is not a criminal


IF THAT IS THE DEMOCRACY YOU ARE PRAISING HERE - MAY THE GOOD LORD FORGIVE YOU!

there is no need for me to pay any claim to been an adult or not in the mid 90s,av been fully conscious of my surroundings since 80s,
Abacha no matter how you want to sugar cost it was a very terrible regime,even compare to his predecessors and successors.
You asking about kidnappers in the 90s,if you were well aware ask your self why Marwa lunched operation sweep then,vices criminal activities have been growing since and it's not peculiar to just Nigeria.
My point is Nigeria has been on a downward spin since 1960,the military made it worse when they came in plunged the country into civil war,your Abacha regime was even the worse out of all of the military regimes in terms of comparable index..no freedom of speech, rampant corruption by him and his cronies..oga let's leave this matter abeg a let's focus on the future please and make it better.

miketayo:
Imagine what Fela would sing if he was alive today.
The problem today started with OBJ, he didn't hit the reset button in 1999.
Indians are not fanatics, Pakistan problem is the same problem with many Muslim countries has nothing to do with democracy or military.

oga my point is Nigeria has been going downward since 1960 either we say the truth or not ..let's just work to make a better future.

amazingspiderma:
Corrupt Democratic leadership always attracts military government.

It is a corrective measure, to save a nation from self destruction.

This is a historical fact.

You really lack any thinking faculty for the rubbish you wrote.

How many military governments don’t turn out worse than the democratic government they replace?