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Re: Oil Nations Scramble To Avert Economic Crisis After Prices Crash by malali(op): 7:15am On Apr 12, 2025
crownfierce:
Rubbish, u posted here. A man that has fought tooth and nail to ensure there is tax reform so we can maximise other revenue potentials. It’s obvious you don’t know Tinubu.. u re just playing opposition blindly
I am not even opposition. If you understand tax reforms, you will know that taxes can only be produced as a result of sales and circulating money in the economy. If oil prices fall it will depress the whole economy and then there will be less tax to collect. Tax reform doesnt happen in isolation its very much dependent on a robust economy.

You are telling me Tinubu has inflated the tires of the car. I am telling you there is no petrol fro the car to move. Does it matter if the car's tire has air ? How long can you push the car ? you want to push from Abuja to Lagos ? You still need petrol for us to know that you did a good job inflating the tires !!!
Re: Oil Nations Scramble To Avert Economic Crisis After Prices Crash by dederocs(m): 7:23am On Apr 12, 2025
Stop this nonsense talk, they can make money by investing what they have made from oil, and from taxes.
Re: Oil Nations Scramble To Avert Economic Crisis After Prices Crash by SUGARCyprian247: 7:26am On Apr 12, 2025
grin

This one no concern Nigeria

We are always in Economic Crisis weather in Oil Boom or Price crash

😂
Re: Oil Nations Scramble To Avert Economic Crisis After Prices Crash by asolocoaso: 7:28am On Apr 12, 2025
crownfierce:
Rubbish, u posted here. A man that has fought tooth and nail to ensure there is tax reform so we can maximise other revenue potentials. It’s obvious you don’t know Tinubu.. u re just playing opposition blindly
We have an 80% oil economy.
Re: Oil Nations Scramble To Avert Economic Crisis After Prices Crash by Blitzking: 7:36am On Apr 12, 2025
Everyone is feeling the heat..
Re: Oil Nations Scramble To Avert Economic Crisis After Prices Crash by Gboss247(m): 7:41am On Apr 12, 2025
ebexofficial:
Let the price of fuel crash too in reflection
Keep waiting for the price of petrol to crash until the cheapest hits N2,000/litre
Re: Oil Nations Scramble To Avert Economic Crisis After Prices Crash by Gboss247(m): 7:43am On Apr 12, 2025
Fiscus105:
With higher prices, what has my nation done with the money? Does it beneficial to masses or political elites?

Let it crash to $20 or below. If there is no more money in the nation's pocket, maybe politicians too would learn how to tighten their belts, it's not only masses that should tighten their belts.
When the cheapest petrol is sold for N5,000/litre, you know that Nigeria been an oil dependent economy in the 21st century is a time bomb.
Re: Oil Nations Scramble To Avert Economic Crisis After Prices Crash by SugarRay001: 7:58am On Apr 12, 2025
crownfierce:
Rubbish, u posted here. A man that has fought tooth and nail to ensure there is tax reform so we can maximise other revenue potentials. It’s obvious you don’t know Tinubu.. u re just playing opposition blindly
So like this you know tinubu grin grin grin ;Dsome of ona mumu no fit ever cure,,,as you know him very well so why he no carry you go enjoy for france na,,tinubu family member
Re: Oil Nations Scramble To Avert Economic Crisis After Prices Crash by Fiscus105(m): 7:59am On Apr 12, 2025
Gboss247:
When the cheapest petrol is sold for N5,000/litre, you know that Nigeria been an oil dependent economy in the 21st century is a time bomb.
Ehn, ehn, when it 500k/litre, what has it done for me. Perhaps, you think I was/am a house of assembly member or ordinary P.A to S.A.
Re: Oil Nations Scramble To Avert Economic Crisis After Prices Crash by Ekaka14: 7:59am On Apr 12, 2025
malali:

They have been doing that for 2 years, where have you been ? OPEC has been cutting quotas worldwide. This crash is lack of demand. China is not buying as much as before,If they stop "dredging" they wont be able to pay salaries and there is no guarantee oil prices will come back up anytime soon.
Thanks for clearing that man with his bogous "stop dredging" plan grin grin
Re: Oil Nations Scramble To Avert Economic Crisis After Prices Crash by damkin24(m): 8:06am On Apr 12, 2025
malali:
Tinubu’s grandstanding infrastructure obsession has all the markings of another debt-fueled disaster in the making. With oil crashing into the low $60s per barrel ( far below Nigeria’s budget breakeven) the only logical question is: who funds his dreams? His answer appears dangerously obvious ,more loans, higher interests, and a financial dependence on creditors who will eventually dictate Nigeria’s policies.

What Tinubu is building are not assets that generate future revenue or foreign exchange, they are legacy projects for ribbon-cutting ceremonies. Railways that cannot pay for themselves, roads without tolling strategy, power projects without market reforms. This is not visionary economics , it’s political optics borrowed at premium rates.


Nigeria is staring down a future of ballooning debt servicing costs, currency devaluation pressures, and even more taxes squeezed from an already battered population. Without structural reforms, productivity expansion, or genuine export capacity,

Tinubu’s current path feels like a fast-track to fiscal captivity.
Get well soon
Re: Oil Nations Scramble To Avert Economic Crisis After Prices Crash by Ekaka14: 8:06am On Apr 12, 2025
malali:
I am not even opposition. If you understand tax reforms, you will know that taxes can only be produced as a result of sales and circulating money in the economy. If oil prices fall it will depress the whole economy and then there will be less tax to collect. Tax reform doesnt happen in isolation its very much dependent on a robust economy.

You are telling me Tinubu has inflated the tires of the car. I am telling you there is no petrol fro the car to move. Does it matter if the car's tire has air ? How long can you push the car ? you want to push from Abuja to Lagos ? You still need petrol for us to know that you did a good job inflating the tires !!!
You just confused "Crownfierce" the more now...all these diehard "Ebi-lokan" zombies don't understand tax laws or macro-economics ebmven when their stomach -infrastructural economy stop working they still will not be able to see beyond their noses🤔 grin
Re: Oil Nations Scramble To Avert Economic Crisis After Prices Crash by Obaaderemi2: 8:09am On Apr 12, 2025
fineboynl:
thank you my brother.

I’m not against building infrastructure. But that shouldn't be done with borrowed funds when you have to repay with interest.

The south east needs 200 trillions or dollars equivalent loan to revolutionize production and self reliace on some key manufacturing items. That how the Chinese and south Korea developed. Not borrowing money to waste on things that cannot generate wealth and repayment. Look at the world bank for example they will not grant any loans that will make Nigeria a manufacturing hub not even the Chinese as all of them are protecting their interest. But we have to do it anyway possible.

We need manufacturing state or estate closer to the sea. Free or cheap energy to kick start production. Access to good road and all other basic needs to start manufacturing automobile parts and electronics components even heavy equipment. In the next decade we should be reliance on some key items to challenge china dominance in africa and beyond.


But here we are still talking about herdsmen and farmers crisis today.

Look at the loans world bank and imf is giving Nigeria for example. Bole hole and money to be shared to vulnerable people. Senseless and rubbish loan to funds that will be stolen back to their economy. They encourage corruption. then later on they will advice the government to remove subsidy. Is just like the rat that’s blowing your leg is biting you

World bank or the Chinese will never approve any loan that will make Africa self reliance and manufacturing hub. Unfortunately we have clueless leaders who only think about winning or rigging next election.

Higher price in energy means manufacturing is dead. And cannot even be competitive with international market. The Chinese are very smart and strategic with area where subsidy is needed. The western style we are coping today we have seen what happens to their manufacturing company in lady decades. The US for example is now a dumping ground for Chinese products because of high energy and labor cost.

The same style of government tinubu is introducing Nigeria into. Inflation, increasing workers wage, high energy bill and higher cost of general production.

You cant tax unproductive and poor people to prosperity. You can only tax a productive economy to higher greatness.


We have to follow the Chinese blueprint. Because the western style economy capitalism is already failing
This is mrvitalis. You can not tell me otherwise
Re: Oil Nations Scramble To Avert Economic Crisis After Prices Crash by JuanDeDios: 8:09am On Apr 12, 2025
malali:
Tinubu’s grandstanding infrastructure obsession has all the markings of another debt-fueled disaster in the making. With oil crashing into the low $60s per barrel ( far below Nigeria’s budget breakeven) the only logical question is: who funds his dreams? His answer appears dangerously obvious ,more loans, higher interests, and a financial dependence on creditors who will eventually dictate Nigeria’s policies.

What Tinubu is building are not assets that generate future revenue or foreign exchange, they are legacy projects for ribbon-cutting ceremonies. Railways that cannot pay for themselves, roads without tolling strategy, power projects without market reforms. This is not visionary economics , it’s political optics borrowed at premium rates.


Nigeria is staring down a future of ballooning debt servicing costs, currency devaluation pressures, and even more taxes squeezed from an already battered population. Without structural reforms, productivity expansion, or genuine export capacity,

Tinubu’s current path feels like a fast-track to fiscal captivity.
Not sure I agree with you. Why do you think those roads won't be tolled? Railway certainly seems very promising in Nigeria and can pay for themselves - the ones on busy routes anyway.
Re: Oil Nations Scramble To Avert Economic Crisis After Prices Crash by JuanDeDios: 8:18am On Apr 12, 2025
nairalanda1:
2014 again

One reason why I say that tinubu is just doing what his predecessors did, and why we have never had good leaders in Nigeria....is the simple fact that all of them have run resource dependent economies.

I have been on Awo's case for some time...Awo, and his fellow premiers Bello and Azikiwe, all of them had one thing in common...they used the funds from the resources they sold to 'develop' their regions.

There is nothing wrong with that. The problem was that it essentially made our economies dependent on price controls from oversease. Cotton, cocoa, palm oil, etc...their prices are set abroad. Not set by us. It also meant that when oil came along, we were in the perfect position to fall into its trap.

Today, our economy is 80% dependent on oil. Yes, it is. 80% of our revenues come from oil. And when oil prices are high, things look good, when they fall, things look bad. But the truth is, they have been bad...all the time.

One thing I would like to tell Nigerians is that, until you are ready to vote for a government that would use what we have to develop stuff the world needs, you will never have good governance.
Not all the time. Since around 1980, when the oil boom ended. That's when we fell into a trade deficit. Which was followed by a budget deficit. Which inevitably leads to borrowing. Which leads to austerity measures. I still remember songs made by musicians back then lamenting Shagari's "austerity". Things have never been good since then (Shagari managed to leave the naira strong, but Babangida brought massive devaluation, which produced the situation that lead to the nationwide "anti-SAP riots" of 1989).
Re: Oil Nations Scramble To Avert Economic Crisis After Prices Crash by Obaaderemi2: 8:51am On Apr 12, 2025
asolocoaso:
We have an 80% oil economy.
That's not true. Oil accounts for less than 20% of our economy
Re: Oil Nations Scramble To Avert Economic Crisis After Prices Crash by mrvitalis(m): 9:04am On Apr 12, 2025
Obaaderemi2:
This is mrvitalis. You can not tell me otherwise
Honestly it's not... I'm happy my ideology is spreading
Re: Oil Nations Scramble To Avert Economic Crisis After Prices Crash by Deltavariant(m): 9:52am On Apr 12, 2025
This is where Tinubu and his gang of bloated economic experts begin to reap the reward of carelessness and propaganda,after 2 years of blame game and removing subsidy on virtually all programs and nothing to show...
Re: Oil Nations Scramble To Avert Economic Crisis After Prices Crash by Deltavariant(m): 9:53am On Apr 12, 2025
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malali:
I am not even opposition. If you understand tax reforms, you will know that taxes can only be produced as a result of sales and circulating money in the economy. If oil prices fall it will depress the whole economy and then there will be less tax to collect. Tax reform doesnt happen in isolation its very much dependent on a robust economy.

You are telling me Tinubu has inflated the tires of the car. I am telling you there is no petrol fro the car to move. Does it matter if the car's tire has air ? How long can you push the car ? you want to push from Abuja to Lagos ? You still need petrol for us to know that you did a good job inflating the tires !!!
Re: Oil Nations Scramble To Avert Economic Crisis After Prices Crash by nairalanda1(m): 9:57am On Apr 12, 2025
Deltavariant:
This is where Tinubu and his gang of bloated economic experts begin to reap the reward of carelessness and propaganda,after 2 years of blame game and removing subsidy on virtually all programs and nothing to show...
Okay let's assume tinubu kept subsidy.

Already under subsidy , the subsidy was forcing us to take on a lot of debt over time, to the point that 90% of our revenue was going to debt service, and government revenue was under threat.

Now, with oil prices falling, we won't have had money to keep subsidy and pay debt....we would either have to take more loans, or default on loans and face the wrath of the IMF.

The thing is, subsidy has always been paid from oil revenue. When oil prices fall drastically, we take loans to pay for subsidy. That is how buhari did it, and many of our past leaders did it.

Removing fuel subsidy may be the reason why we won't be taking even more loans than the ones we have to.

Tinubu has made a lot of bad decisions. Removing subsidy was not one of them. You can call me agbado.....but when debt service as at August 2022 is eating 90% of revenue, and when government is forced to borrow wildly as a result, nothing can be done.

And education, health is subsidised for people who go to government hospitals. Power is subsidised for people that are not on band A.
Re: Oil Nations Scramble To Avert Economic Crisis After Prices Crash by nwirinedu(m): 10:01am On Apr 12, 2025
All those greedy landlords and merchants that were inflating prices for rent and goods eye go soon clear una

FG borrowing created a bubble of surplus money that was not circulating in the real economy, just amongst cronies.

These persons and those close to them caused artificial demand for goods and services which were not sustainable.
Re: Oil Nations Scramble To Avert Economic Crisis After Prices Crash by fineboynl(m): 10:11am On Apr 12, 2025
Obaaderemi2:
This is mrvitalis. You can not tell me otherwise
not
Re: Oil Nations Scramble To Avert Economic Crisis After Prices Crash by israelmao(m):
malali:
Tinubu’s grandstanding infrastructure obsession has all the markings of another debt-fueled disaster in the making. With oil crashing into the low $60s per barrel ( far below Nigeria’s budget breakeven) the only logical question is: who funds his dreams? His answer appears dangerously obvious ,more loans, higher interests, and a financial dependence on creditors who will eventually dictate Nigeria’s policies.



What Tinubu is building are not assets that generate future revenue or foreign exchange, they are legacy projects for ribbon-cutting ceremonies. Railways that cannot pay for themselves, roads without tolling strategy, power projects without market reforms. This is not visionary economics , it’s political optics borrowed at premium rates.


Nigeria is staring down a future of ballooning debt servicing costs, currency devaluation pressures, and even more taxes squeezed from an already battered population. Without structural reforms, productivity expansion, or genuine export capacity,

Tinubu’s current path feels like a fast-track to fiscal captivity.
If Tinubu is not obsessed with white elephant projects how would he raise fund for 2027 election?
Re: Oil Nations Scramble To Avert Economic Crisis After Prices Crash by Deltavariant(m): 10:14am On Apr 12, 2025
I used to be against subsidy because right from the word go I knew it'll free up funds for government to further mismanage. Take a look at how federal allocations to states have more than doubled without any meaningful impact on human capital development.
nairalanda1:
Okay let's assume tinubu kept subsidy.

Already under subsidy , the subsidy was forcing us to take on a lot of debt over time, to the point that 90% of our revenue was going to debt service, and government revenue was under threat.

Now, with oil prices falling, we won't have had money to keep subsidy and pay debt....we would either have to take more loans, or default on loans and face the wrath of the IMF.

The thing is, subsidy has always been paid from oil revenue. When oil prices fall drastically, we take loans to pay for subsidy. That is how buhari did it, and many of our past leaders did it.

Removing fuel subsidy may be the reason why we won't be taking even more loans than the ones we have to.

Tinubu has made a lot of bad decisions. Removing subsidy was not one of them. You can call me agbado.....but when debt service as at August 2022 is eating 90% of revenue, and when government is forced to borrow wildly as a result, nothing can be done.

And education, health is subsidised for people who go to government hospitals. Power is subsidised for people that are not on band A.
Re: Oil Nations Scramble To Avert Economic Crisis After Prices Crash by Rybnyk(m): 11:10am On Apr 12, 2025
Atarakpa:
Is simple let them stop dredging for a while and create scarcity the price will jump up to double. But greed and lack of trust will not allow them
A number of oil countries are developing economies. The artificial scarcity will cripple them. The EV proponents will have an upper hand if oil countries make such a move. It won't be wise to allow "adversaries" have strategic control in the energy space. Countries like Nigeria should have envisaged such a situation but we always think oil will always be there.
Re: Oil Nations Scramble To Avert Economic Crisis After Prices Crash by ChiefOkporghe: 12:09pm On Apr 12, 2025
fineboynl:
thank you my brother.

I’m not against building infrastructure. But that shouldn't be done with borrowed funds when you have to repay with interest.

The south east needs 200 trillions or dollars equivalent loan to revolutionize production and self reliace on some key manufacturing items. That how the Chinese and south Korea developed. Not borrowing money to waste on things that cannot generate wealth and repayment. Look at the world bank for example they will not grant any loans that will make Nigeria a manufacturing hub not even the Chinese as all of them are protecting their interest. But we have to do it anyway possible.

We need manufacturing state or estate closer to the sea. Free or cheap energy to kick start production. Access to good road and all other basic needs to start manufacturing automobile parts and electronics components even heavy equipment. In the next decade we should be reliance on some key items to challenge china dominance in africa and beyond.


But here we are still talking about herdsmen and farmers crisis today.

Look at the loans world bank and imf is giving Nigeria for example. Bole hole and money to be shared to vulnerable people. Senseless and rubbish loan to funds unproductive ventures and eventually the funds stolen back to their economy as they encourage corruption. then later on they will advice the government to remove subsidy. Is just like the rat that’s blowing your leg is biting you

World bank or the Chinese will never approve any loan that will make Africa self reliance and manufacturing hub. Unfortunately we have clueless leaders who only think about winning or rigging next election.

Higher price in energy means manufacturing is dead. And cannot even be competitive with international market. The Chinese are very smart and strategic with area where subsidy is needed. The western style we are coping today we have seen what happens to their manufacturing company in last decade. The US for example is now a dumping ground for Chinese products because of high energy and labor cost.

The same style of government tinubu is introducing Nigeria into. Inflation, increasing workers wage, high energy bill and higher cost of general production.

You cant tax unproductive and poor people to prosperity. You can only tax a productive economy to higher greatness.


We have to follow the Chinese blueprint. Because the western style economy capitalism is already failing
Re: Oil Nations Scramble To Avert Economic Crisis After Prices Crash by yaki84: 12:23pm On Apr 12, 2025
Sirianese:
Those fools in Abuja won't be able to prop up the Naira for much longer

Nigerians prepare for an exchange rate of N2,500 to one dollar, petrol at N2,000 per litre or higher
Petrol won't increase in price, instead 'it should decrease' in price due to low price of crude oil.

What we will experience is recession or deflation where we have few goods n no capital or low capital to purchase it.
Re: Oil Nations Scramble To Avert Economic Crisis After Prices Crash by Treadway: 12:40pm On Apr 12, 2025
Scramble ke?

These people no sabi wetin casualobserver sabi o....even if oil drop to 20usd per barrel, nothing dey happen...... According to him, Nigeria doesn't rely on oil revenues to fund the budget. Tax and duties na wetin we dey use for the past 1 year sef.

No problem whatsoever
Re: Oil Nations Scramble To Avert Economic Crisis After Prices Crash by nigg(m): 1:08pm On Apr 12, 2025
Expect further dropping to around $45 in the coming weeks. The $60 price level had some bullish pressure but the bears broke through. This is expected with the current global economic situation.
Re: Oil Nations Scramble To Avert Economic Crisis After Prices Crash by Konquest: 1:13pm On Apr 12, 2025
Re: Oil Nations Scramble To Avert Economic Crisis After Prices Crash by descarado: 2:08pm On Apr 12, 2025
nairalanda1:
2014 again

One reason why I say that tinubu is just doing what his predecessors did, and why we have never had good leaders in Nigeria....is the simple fact that all of them have run resource dependent economies.

I have been on Awo's case for some time...Awo, and his fellow premiers Bello and Azikiwe, all of them had one thing in common...they used the funds from the resources they sold to 'develop' their regions.

There is nothing wrong with that. The problem was that it essentially made our economies dependent on price controls from oversease. Cotton, cocoa, palm oil, etc...their prices are set abroad. Not set by us. It also meant that when oil came along, we were in the perfect position to fall into its trap.

Today, our economy is 80% dependent on oil. Yes, it is. 80% of our revenues come from oil. And when oil prices are high, things look good, when they fall, things look bad. But the truth is, they have been bad...all the time.

One thing I would like to tell Nigerians is that, until you are ready to vote for a government that would use what we have to develop stuff the world needs, you will never have good governance.
Harsh truth, but will mouths that have been feeding off this allow that to happen?
Re: Oil Nations Scramble To Avert Economic Crisis After Prices Crash by RiceProducers: 3:38pm On Apr 12, 2025
malali:
Tinubu’s grandstanding infrastructure obsession has all the markings of another debt-fueled disaster in the making. With oil crashing into the low $60s per barrel ( far below Nigeria’s budget breakeven) the only logical question is: who funds his dreams? His answer appears dangerously obvious ,more loans, higher interests, and a financial dependence on creditors who will eventually dictate Nigeria’s policies.

What Tinubu is building are not assets that generate future revenue or foreign exchange, they are legacy projects for ribbon-cutting ceremonies. Railways that cannot pay for themselves, roads without tolling strategy, power projects without market reforms. This is not visionary economics , it’s political optics borrowed at premium rates.


Nigeria is staring down a future of ballooning debt servicing costs, currency devaluation pressures, and even more taxes squeezed from an already battered population. Without structural reforms, productivity expansion, or genuine export capacity,

Tinubu’s current path feels like a fast-track to fiscal captivity.
Very well articulated.
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