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Maximus692:
Saying they are false prophets is not an abuse but a statement of fact, going by what Jesus Christ said regarding FRUIT {Matthew 7:16-18} which of these people has gathered followers that is doing well like what this man said:



That's what makes them FALSE!

Maximus692:
Is that why you've been following me up and down the forum?
So my jazz for attention catch you shey?

Ken4Christ:
I agree with you. But it's worse here. Dr Paul Yongi Cho of blessed memory empowered two of his Pastors with 5,000 members each and supported them with 4 million dollars each several years ago to start their own ministry. It's difficult to get such gesture in Nigeria. Rather, they will use and dump you. If you try to start your own work, they will fight you and even try to kill you. They run the church like a cult. There are of course good hearted Pastors but they are relatively few.

May God save the church from this evil trend in the mighty name of Jesus

IyfeNamikaze:
Because I've already made it clear that that particular passage is warning against your type of doctrine which does not bear the fruit of salvation.
And again all you care about is appearance and never the authenticity of your doctrines.

achorladey:
Looool! The establishment need to be protected by all means even if it means running it like a cult.

Ken4Christ:
These sets of G O will certainly miss heaven. God is no respecter of persons.

achorladey:
They will give an account anyway in the final analysis.

MightySparrow:
The way you plant fear of dis fellowshipment and weeaponize Armageddon make your organization a cult. One of the characteristics of a cult is fear of leaving the cult. Do you agree by your own fruit also?

Maximus692:
Jesus said:
“No man who has put his hand to a plow and looks at the things behind is well-suited for the Kingdom of God" Luke 9:62
His Apostles said:
And let us consider one another so as to incite to love and fine works, not forsaking our meeting together, as some have the custom, but encouraging one another, and all the more so as you see the day drawing near. Hebrews 10:24-25
So according to what they said whoever leaves their group is doomed.

Do you think Jesus and his disciples were a cult? Matthew 10:24-25

MightySparrow:
Delusion.
Are you now in position of a judge? Evil organization deceiving people and holding them down with fear.
Your own plow is a wrong one Sir.

Ken4Christ:
Those I am talking to know themselves. Go to YouTube and hear out from some victims. You are a kid in ministry.

MightySparrow:
The way you plant fear of dis fellowshipment and weeaponize Armageddon make your organization a cult.

One of the characteristics of a cult is fear of leaving the cult.
Do you agree by your own fruit also?

Maximus692:
Jesus said:
“No man who has put his hand to a plow and looks at the things behind is well-suited for the Kingdom of God" Luke 9:62
His Apostles said:
And let us consider one another so as to incite to love and fine works, not forsaking our meeting together, as some have the custom, but encouraging one another, and all the more so as you see the day drawing near. Hebrews 10:24-25
So according to what they said whoever leaves their group is doomed.

Do you think Jesus and his disciples were a cult? Matthew 10:24-25

achorladey:
Where is the word group clearly written or stated in those Bible verse referenced or points to the name of a particular religious organization?
Lies and manipulations of the scripture rolling mills

Maximus692:
If Jesus insists that only his followers will be saved automatically there must be a GROUP practicing what he taught as his real disciples!

achorladey:
That your if is the problem. Those assumptions, speculations and suppositions no dey part of the scripture you cited. They are lies and manipulations rolling mills from your brains.

Jesus don't preach group he is always about the individual and the you. God don't draw group, God draw individual

achorladey:
After dropping my disassociation letter, shocked and surprised about the sudden turn of event. The three principal officers came calling to seek reasons.

The only thing I placed in front of them is the way most these religions are set up today,they cause internal conflict (within its own members) and external conflict (with other Christian denominations that equally answer to Jesus Christ).

Internal conflict

Look at the beards and pant wearing policy change as an example. There are many that had been victims and kicked out of the religious organization because they were emphatic that nothing is wrong with having beards and opposed the decision. Their path to grow in the community of Jehovah's Witnesses cut short and labeled spiritually weak, inactive and proud for not following the instructions from the GODS of men housed in USA. This is an example at the minimum level, I am not talking about blood transfusion, alternative service policies, 1914 and other doctrines that they had changed in recent times.

External conflict

If Achorladey is a Catholic, Deeperlife e.t.c and Sand2022 is a Jehovah’s witness then Sand2022 get employed in an establishment that Achorladey had been working for years. You will agree with me that, Achorladey is already in conflict with Sand2022 the very day I know you are one of Jehovah's Witnesses. In fact the moment you disclose it to me that you are one of Jehovah's Witnesses, I start telling you people that don't like praying with others, celebrate birthday, Christmas e.t.c. You people that believe others are false Christians. There will be some certain things I won't bring to your notice based on the fact that you are one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

Sand2022:
That is what institutions have done to the body of Christ

Maximus692:
Body of Christ hating, fighting and killing themselves.
Hilarious indeed!

Sand2022:
That is what institutions have done to the body of Christ

Maximus692:
Body of Christ hating, fighting and killing themselves.
Hilarious indeed!

HardMirror:
according to your logic, Catholics are the really Papa since they have been around hundreds of years before JW.

Obviously, a basis for approved fellowship with Jehovah’s Witnesses cannot rest merely on a belief in God, in the Bible, in Jesus Christ, and so forth. The Roman Catholic pope, as well as the Anglican Archbishop of Canterbury, professes such beliefs, yet their church memberships are exclusive of each other. Likewise, simply professing to have such beliefs would not authorize one to be known as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Catholics are the really Papa

achorladey:
That you MaxInDHouse told us hypocrites and hypocrisy is one common attributes in your midst is enough evidence that when you and your lots say you love one another na hypocrisy full am leading to hatred, fighting and killing in your midst.

The words of Howard is not only true based on if and his findings are false because the reality in your midst says when ex member could carryout shootings in your kingdom halls then the world cannot be peaceful since what should produce peace is manufacturing aggrieved members into the larger society.

achorladey:
I read where some said they started like a protestant abi na pentecostal and ended up like a catholic. How?

They started without a centralised control and body in their first 50 years by time they got to the next 50 years they are so centralised like the Catholic.


..... WT April1986

What can be drawn from the above.....

1. Jehovah's Witnesses belief in exclusivity of their religion like Roman Catholic, Anglican e.t.c

2. Just like the Roman Catholics, Anglicans e.t.c belief in God, Jesus and the Bible is not enough to be identified as one of Jehovah's Witnesses and by extension not enough to be called a Christian

The point HardMirror made stating....



Is valid because the very template of exclusivity the Roman Catholic is using is the very same the religious organization of Jehovah's Witnesses is using.

cc: Sand2022, Gabrielshow24, MightySparrow

APOPTOSIS:
Jehovah's Witness is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

MaxInDHouse:
At least everyone knows that Jehovah's Witnesses are different no matter how you try to muddle it all up! Matthew 5:14-16

MightySparrow:
This is the delusion. Catholic is different in bowing to effigies; Anglican is different by separating from Catholic because King Henry VIII wanted a divorce, Methodist is different by doing things right (when they started); pentecostals are different in believing and proving that the All powerful Yahweh is the same everytime, everywhere; Jehovah's Witnesses is different in delusional doctrines and occultic tendencies.
Jehovah's Witnesses are a different group manifesting a different kind of delusion.(itanraenijẹ)

APOPTOSIS:
Jehovah's Witness is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

MaxInDHouse:
No matter how hard you try those who are interested in the truth will know and they will be set free from falsehood! John 8:32