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tunjijones:
Trump na werey.

Most he always threaten people.

Anyway, I feel the war was a needless war.

The Ukraine president allowed the west use his country as battle field against Putin. It's such a shame.

Maybe He should have used diplomacy. But truth be told, no one will like to feel bullied and weak especially as a president of a sovreign state. So should he have just given their land to Russia.

Guestmale:
Exactly, Ukraine is not demanding for anything than for Russia to leave all their annexed territories and that is not too much for asking

Unfortunately, this seems too difficult for Trump to comprehend

Trump is saying the truth,but I wish the comedian will listen and stop this senseless war,I wish the Ucranian military could take over and and put Zelensky under bars,too much lives had been lost,please Ucrain military do the needful.

Threedoorsdown:
You are right. Isn't this what Trump is putting on the table that he is refusing?

That's why i asked what he wanted. The deal is for both countries

No
Trump says
1. Ukraine should formally agree that Cremia is Russia
2. They should freeze the current battle line (Russia keeps what she had gained)
3. Ukraine will agree never to join NATO
4. No security guarantee will be offered to Ukraine by USA

Ukraine gets nothing in this negotiation
1. Ukrainian children taken by Russia are gone forever
2. There will not be war reparations


USA offered to lift all sanctions from Russia.


Of course, Ukraine cannot accept CAPITULATION as a just Peace Deal and Trump will blame Ukraine for not agreeing to his sttupid peace deal.

USA will stop supporting Ukraine while expecting Russia to overrun Ukraine because of this.

TenQ:
No
Trump says
1. Ukraine should formally agree that Cremia is Russia
2. They should freeze the current battle line (Russia keeps what she had gained)
3. Ukraine will agree never to join NATO
4. No security guarantee will be offered to Ukraine by USA

Ukraine gets nothing in this negotiation
1. Ukrainian children taken by Russia are gone forever
2. There will not be war reparations


USA offered to lift all sanctions from Russia.


Of course, Ukraine cannot accept CAPITULATION as a just Peace Deal and Trump will blame Ukraine for not agreeing to his sttupid peace deal.

USA will stop supporting Ukraine while expecting Russia to overrun Ukraine because of this.

Lol, my bad. This is absurd

Trump is really a devil disguising as an angel

WritterNg:
Not even the US is militarily strong enough to invade Russia. Do you know how large Russia is.

Ukraine spent 8 months in Sudzha, a border town in Kursk and were unable to move forward in 8 months, despite deploying thousands of troops and equipments.

I guess you had no idea that NATO & the U.S armed Ukraine to the teeth, from 2014 till date.

More weapons than the entire British, Canadian, German and French armies combined have ever had.

with you, I have confirmed that talking rubbish is hereditary

StUriah:
Peace without justice

Conceding to Russia without addressing Ukraine’s territorial integrity, security, or accountability for aggression would likely embolden Putin to resume hostilities later. Without justice, any peace deal risks being a temporary pause. It will destabilize Ukraine and reward Putin's authoritarian aggression, ensuring more conflicts in the
future.

Nonsense.
Ukraine is a former USSR state. And anything to do with border adjustments within former Soviet Union, is not the business of America Britain, France and Germany. Abi why is Russia not arming Northern Ireland to fight Britain to the last man?
Why is Russia not arming New Caledonia to fight France to the last man?
Or is America not illegally invading Cuba till today?
Hypocrites everywhere

If care is not taken, Ukraine might become history one day. It's president thinks we've gone to far to back off from this war. They've lost almost everything to Russia which they can't recover again, imagine loosing almost part of your country to another country.

frankmoney:
too much fantasy they do you bettee wake up. There is no alliance on earth that can invade and capture Russia or USA at the moment

Belurved1:
If care is not taken, Ukraine might become history one day. It's president thinks we've gone to far to back off from this war. They've lost almost everything to Russia which they can't recover again, imagine loosing almost part of your country to another country.

Go and read about the first world war... Russia was decimated ND all it's army ran away... Only cold killed Napoleon men... But the emperor himself and alot of soldiers returned to France without hurting...

So which Russia are u talking about.. the one that was calling for help from. Little Germany...? If Germany had focused on Russia alone.. u will not know Russia till date...

Do u know that ordinary Germany killed more than 3 million Russian troops..? Abeg, let's rest with ur Russia white wash.. they can't do shit!

frankmoney:
too much fantasy they do you bettee wake up. There is no alliance on earth that can invade and capture Russia or USA at the moment

Even more than 4 million Russian troops died...

Your problem is that u listen to Putin ND his noise making too much.... The us cannot b invaded because all it's citizen have guns ...

Oga; you still dey quote history.

blacksam01:
Go and read about the first world war... Russia was decimated ND all it's army ran away... Only cold killed Napoleon men... But the emperor himself and alot of soldiers returned to France without hurting...

So which Russia are u talking about.. the one that was calling for help from. Little Germany...? If Germany had focused on Russia alone.. u will not know Russia till date...

Do u know that ordinary Germany killed more than 3 million Russian troops..? Abeg, let's rest with ur Russia white wash.. they can't do shit!

TenQ:
No
Trump says
1. Ukraine should formally agree that Cremia is Russia
2. They should freeze the current battle line (Russia keeps what she had gained)
3. Ukraine will agree never to join NATO
4. No security guarantee will be offered to Ukraine by USA

Ukraine gets nothing in this negotiation
1. Ukrainian children taken by Russia are gone forever
2. There will not be war reparations


USA offered to lift all sanctions from Russia.


Of course, Ukraine cannot accept CAPITULATION as a just Peace Deal and Trump will blame Ukraine for not agreeing to his sttupid peace deal.

USA will stop supporting Ukraine while expecting Russia to overrun Ukraine because of this.

Lies

1. Trump to accept de jure Crimea as part of Russia, not Ukraine
If Zelensky wanted Crimea, why didn't he fight for it 11yrs ago?

2. No. Ukraine to give up Donbas, de facto. But get to keep a part of Kharkiv.

3. Ukraine's agreement not to join, is irrelevant. Ukraine will not be admitted to NATO.

4. The mineral deal and Zaporizhya power plant deal, will keep American presence on the ground in Ukraine.
UN and EU forces will put boots on the ground.

Ukraine gets plenty incentives from America. ie rebuilding Ukraine, funding for its various sectors etc.

1. Russia has long returned the children back to Ukraine.

2. America will help rebuild Ukraine

Most of the sanctions on Russia are European sanctions. How can America lift those?

Ofcourse the deal does not favor Russia and Ukraine will be doing Russia a big favor by not capitulating.

America does not want to continue fighting for Ukraine. They will still sell weapons to Ukraine, if Ukraine choose to continue.
Abi is it by force to fight another man's war?

blacksam01:
Go and read about the first world war... Russia was decimated ND all it's army ran away... Only cold killed Napoleon men... But the emperor himself and alot of soldiers returned to France without hurting...

So which Russia are u talking about.. the one that was calling for help from. Little Germany...? If Germany had focused on Russia alone.. u will not know Russia till date...

Do u know that ordinary Germany killed more than 3 million Russian troops..? Abeg, let's rest with ur Russia white wash.. they can't do shit!

that's first world War. Modern Russia can not be invaded and that's a fact....

Worst negotiator in the world. How would Putin even take Trump seriously?

tempex88:
His points are valid. If I were Ukraine, i will wait some years to be militarily strong enough to invade Russia to get it back. For now will just let go of Crimea

If u wait to get stronger.. so is Russia building it's army again to to attack more... So the best time is now... Ukrainians die in the battle field but it fR less than Russian who die...

Ukraine has not done it's their mobilization while Russia is pursuing it 4th

ledaman:
I said it earlier, War is never won the way you analysed it.
Mind you, there are also rules of engagement.
If Russia were allowed to use her Military might on Ukraine it would have ended since.
As for mercenaries you mentioned, it's applicable to all nations fighting war to engage their allies for support.

Russia is overrated. A country that has lost close to 250,000 of its soldiers in a war with little Ukraine and has not been able to win despite spending over $200 billion on the war will find it extremely difficult to take on EU with much more powerful military bloc than itself.

Russia itself knows this war needs to end because it is killing Russia. Everything Russia is doing is the normal gra gra of a big muscled man. It is also in Russia interest that this war ends soonest.

SKYQUEST:
Russia is overrated. A country that has lost close to 250,000 of its soldiers in a war with little Ukraine and has not been able to win despite spending over $200 billion on the war will find it extremely difficult to take on EU with much more powerful military bloc than itself.

Russia itself knows this war needs to end because it is killing Russia. Everything Russia is doing is the normal gra gra of a big muscled man. It is also in Russia interest that this war ends soonest.

so you were there and did the counting ?


All these NAIRALAND ONLINE Clowns that their country can't even defeat ordinary bandits for over 10 yrs

pesty100:
you are like him, not only do you lack emotional intelligence, you lack common intelligence and you lack common decency as well

You just dey talk. As a world leader you need to be blunt. You think USA became world leaders because they have been employing emotional intelligence?
Una president way been dey apply am to
those African countries way leave Ecowas...howfa? Him don pull dem back? Lol
.

Wetin concern Tean Russia

Krismas:
Lies

1. Trump to accept de jure Crimea as part of Russia, not Ukraine
If Zelensky wanted Crimea, why didn't he fight for it 11yrs ago?

2. No. Ukraine to give up Donbas, de facto. But get to keep a part of Kharkiv.

3. Ukraine's agreement not to join, is irrelevant. Ukraine will not be admitted to NATO.

4. The mineral deal and Zaporizhya power plant deal, will keep American presence on the ground in Ukraine.
UN and EU forces will put boots on the ground.

Ukraine gets plenty incentives from America. ie rebuilding Ukraine, funding for its various sectors etc.

1. Russia has long returned the children back to Ukraine.

2. America will help rebuild Ukraine

Most of the sanctions on Russia are European sanctions. How can America lift those?

Ofcourse the deal does not favor Russia and Ukraine will be doing Russia a big favor by not capitulating.

America does not want to continue fighting for Ukraine. They will still sell weapons to Ukraine, if Ukraine choose to continue.
Abi is it by force to fight another man's war?

Thanks be to Trump, the saviour of Russia!

Threedoorsdown:
Lol, my bad. This is absurd

Trump is really a devil disguising as an angel

Trump doesn't like Zelensky one bit and this is his pound of flesh.
To him Zelensky shouldn't have started the war!

How!?
By abdicating from his presidency and surrendering Ukraine to Russia?

Many people here are naturalized Into being slaves. Ukrainians are no Nigerians to give away their birthright to some overrated Russian monster. I'm indeed surprised Trump is giving Ukraine as much as 3 years now. I thought he said they have been cornered and would surrender in a matter of months. Trump is a president that talks first before thinking. Zelensky is a patriot; Nigeria would have been a heaven with such a president.

WritterNg:
Not even the US is militarily strong enough to invade Russia. Do you know how large Russia is.

Ukraine spent 8 months in Sudzha, a border town in Kursk and were unable to move forward in 8 months, despite deploying thousands of troops and equipments.

I guess you had no idea that NATO & the U.S armed Ukraine to the teeth, from 2014 till date.

More weapons than the entire British, Canadian, German and French armies combined have ever had.

Honestly, you sound frustrated more than vindicated

The world is not about right or wrong, it's about strong vs weak. Most sponsors don't side with unkrain because they love zelenski, they do so because they hate Trump or Putin.


How long can you keep giving out resource to fuel a endless war is the question. What's in it for you?


Let the book record it that trump.said he wants peace.

WritterNg:
Fool.

$450 billion worth of weapons.

More money than North Korea or Iran will ever see in their lifetime.

More money than the GDPs of entire countries.

8 times more than the Russian defense budget.

Shut your stinking mouth, you don't have to inflate figures just to prove a point.
You have said 350 billion before, now it's 450 billion. Even the US department of state that keeps the record of these things have reported less than 200. How daft and stupid can you be?

I THOUGHT DONALD TRUMP IS "JOY. APOSTLE".
NO ONE HELPED KOFI KINGSTON TO WIN WWE CHAMPIONSHIP.
NO ONE HELPED DAVID TO WIN GOLIATH AND
GOD WILL HELP SELENSKY TO DESTROY PUTIN AND RUSSIA ARSENAL.
TRUMP FEARS PUTIN. THAT'S CORRUPTION AND THAT'S WHY TRUMP IS CHICKENING OUT THROUGH VANCE.
FOR HONOR TO TRUMP AND GLORY TO GOD, NETANYAHU MUST DRIVE OUT HAMAS FROM GAZA AND SELENSKY MUST DRIVE OUT PUTIN AND RUSSIA FROM UKRAINE AND CRIMEA.

[quote author=superlanny post=135098593]Zelensky, the comedian who became a president, a president who has become one of the greatest men in history.

Before this war started, ignoramuses said the war would end in less than a month and Putin was all that, powerful and merciless.

A few years down the line, Ukraine is still standing, fighting for its homeland, fighting against impunity and the madness of Putin.

Zelensky is a man that would die defending his people and he has done that without looking back. I hope NATO and Sensible European countries keep backing Ukraine in this war against Russia. Trump can continue to lick Putin's balls for all I care.

Slava Ukraine!!!

Your last paragraph is the only reason Ukraine is still fighting. Save for The west and NATO, it would have been long over.
Thanks to President Zelensky, Russia now has battle tested weaponry more than the west does amd he hasnt even brought out the abidoshakers.
Ukraine needs to accept a peace deal fast!!

What he said is not even close to the truth, the first country to defeat Napoleon in world world 1 was Russia, He's giving a wrong figure and wrong information about the world war 1, Napoleon was the first to form ally with other country/empire, French first attempt, he defeated and conquer german and British, there was no soviet coalition then so Poland was under Russian empire, while french troop moving towards eastern flank, russian empire defeated Napoleon and french troop in Poland and they retreated back to french, Napoleon defeated russian empire in his third attempt and there was a coalition which takes uturn and napoleon was finally defeated by russian and its ally. Napoleon have its ally which include Spain and the rest. This is the total death

frankmoney:
that's first world War. Modern Russia can not be invaded and that's a fact....

TenQ:
No
Trump says
1. Ukraine should formally agree that Cremia is Russia
2. They should freeze the current battle line (Russia keeps what she had gained)
3. Ukraine will agree never to join NATO
4. No security guarantee will be offered to Ukraine by USA

Ukraine gets nothing in this negotiation
1. Ukrainian children taken by Russia are gone forever
2. There will not be war reparations


USA offered to lift all sanctions from Russia.


Of course, Ukraine cannot accept CAPITULATION as a just Peace Deal and Trump will blame Ukraine for not agreeing to his sttupid peace deal.

USA will stop supporting Ukraine while expecting Russia to overrun Ukraine because of this.

This is a deal some people are asking Ukraine to agree to,how on earth will a sovereign nation and a leader that knows what he or she is doing will ever agreed to such inhumane peace deal.

WritterNg:
Proof of them obliterated?? 🤡 🤡

Because I watched their retreat live on CNN.

And 2 western leaders confirmed that Putin ordered them to back down in good faith that Zelensky would sign the Instabul agreement.

I mixed it up with a different offensive. The Kyiv push was bogged down because the whole was a logistics nightmare and the Ukrainians made it harder. Just imagine, just one border over and they couldn't get their ducks in a row.

Guestmale:
This is a deal some people are asking Ukraine to agree to,how on earth will a sovereign nation and a leader that knows what he or she is doing will ever agreed to such inhumane peace deal.

Trump think that every non-nuclear power should capitulate even before complaining to a nuclear power while still thinking that everyone should honour the nuclear non-proliferation treaty.
SMH!!