₦airaland Forum

owobokiri:
Cork and bull analysis..
Looks like the APC have hired all of you..
Some..
What is the meaning of this:



1) There is nothing like "Southern Nigeria". We need to get that out of the way as quick as possible.. At independence, what we had were THREE REGIONS; The North, The West and The East. As a result of the marginalisation of the then minorities of the West, a referendum was conducted in 1963 and a new region was created; The MidWest, which is basically the present day Edo and Delta States!

2) political representations have always been based on these regional realities since the colonial regimes started bringing in the locals into government following the different constitutional reviews untill the war. There was no time post amalgamation of the southern proliterate with the North, that any part of the south was lumped together with the other. So this later day attempt to lump the igbos of the south-east and their minorities neighbours in the South South with the Yorubas of the southwest, is nothing but a clever political game to use the Southwest to perennially corner all political positions at Aso Rock in the name of the amorphous "Southern Nigeria".. It won't fly..

Wether the regional make up of the country is represented politically in the constitution or not, those who continue to use their undeu advantages earned post the 1966-1970 war to corner everything for themselves, need to be stopped and the regional realities that define Nigerias politics ab intio should be respected..

Rotational presidency or nothing..

I can understand tonye is playing politics But as for what you are postulating thats a synonym to confused

North has more states than south yet they stand as North, i see no logical reason why south should be partitioned

As a Matter of Fact the East are not the only region yet to produce a President or vice, what about North central

there is no validity for SE to class itself outside East, if they are segregate is because they dont play politics right
look at what Tinubu is doing with SS, Peter obi is going from headies to naming ceremony later they will say they lose

TonyeBarcanista:
Your talk is pedestrian.

Why didn't 'Southerners' lose in 2011 when PDP suspended their rotational agreement to accommodate Jonathan on the basis on one term? Why did it happen in 2015 when Jonathan flouted the agreement which led to mass exodus from the party and sabotage? Every party is bound by their own internal arrangement.

APC never zoned to North in 2015, it was left open. APC only zoned to South In 2022 after they adopted North-South arrangement. Every party is responsible for marketing their choices.

PS: As at today, no political party has what it takes to unseat Tinubu in 2027 irrespective of who they field. I don't know of tomorrow but TODAY!

Tinubu can be unseated by the right candidate in any of the opposition parties. Nothing is cast in stone. Although, the major opposition party is currently heading in the wrong direction with a desperado who won't give up the ticket. I have already told you a key determinant in this election. That something was accepted yesterday, doesn't mean it will be today. Especially, when you have smart politicians who know the game. No point over flogging the issue. This is politics. Those who know, do.

Odingo1:
Why are you pretending as if don’t know how things work in Nigeria, this is the problem of Nigerians, they never say the truth but carry religion for head. APC and PDP before each primaries have already zone the presidency at background of who the delegates will vote for to emerge others are just ceremonial participants. If not tell one of these primaries that have produce a contested primary we’re the winner will have like 200 vote and runners up 195 to show that primary was not rigged or predetermined before the day of conducting the primaries. Let us be telling ourselves the truth, the presidency in Nigeria is a Rotation between Yorubas and Hausa-Fulanis and that is why Yorubas never supported Jonathan presidency and later gang up and boot him out.

Can someone from North Central win primaries in Northern Rotation or Yorubas support another southern candidate in the turn of Southern Rotation

This your position is "faulty" not based on fact.

Irrespective of any zoning consideration, politicians advance their interests and they lobby behind the scenes for their interests. Buhari was Tinubu personal interests within APC in 2015, he lobbied for him to get the ticket. Atiku, Kwankwaso and Okorocha weren't. Though it was not zoned, every Chieftain advanced their political interests. In 2022 when it was zoned, everyone still advanced their interests within the sphere of the zoning arrangements.

TonyeBarcanista:
Your talk is pedestrian.

Why didn't 'Southerners' lose in 2011 when PDP suspended their rotational agreement to accommodate Jonathan on the basis on one term? Why did it happen in 2015 when Jonathan flouted the agreement which led to mass exodus from the party and sabotage? Every party is bound by their own internal arrangement.

APC never zoned to North in 2015, it was left open. APC only zoned to South In 2022 after they adopted North-South arrangement. Every party is responsible for marketing their choices.

PS: As at today, no political party has what it takes to unseat Tinubu in 2027 irrespective of who they field. I don't know of tomorrow but TODAY!

There is nothing like North-Southern arrangement, just say they adopted Yoruba- Fulani rotation between South and North because someone from North central cannot be given opportunity.

ayokellany:
Was that why he increased tuition by over 300% n refused to pay lectuers n doctors ?

Care my foot.

Na you sabi the meeting in hellfire wey you go wey them they share fake information give you. Peter Obi that was honoured by the United Nations for revolutionising healthcare in Anambra. You go need go back to Una meeting to collect more fake news o 😂😂😂

APC don dey power for 10 years now and they only destroyed the economy but na Peter Obi be your headache. Long may the headache continue 😂😂😂

theredaddy:
If you opine there is no "Zoning in Nigeria, then juxatapose using 1999 - 2023 power swing

Zoning died in 2015 buried in 2023

FearlessYoruba:
When will you clamour for North Central president or North East president?

I won't mind it

TonyeBarcanista:
This your position is "faulty" not based on fact.

Irrespective of any zoning consideration, politicians advance their interests and they lobby behind the scenes for their interests. Buhari was Tinubu personal interests within APC in 2015, he lobbied for him to get the ticket. Atiku, Kwankwaso and Okorocha weren't. Though it was not zoned, every Chieftain advanced their political interests. In 2022 when it was zoned, everyone still advanced their interests within the sphere of the zoning arrangements.

For equity and peace to reign in Nigeria, presidency should rotate among the six geo-political zones in Nigeria not Yoruba-Fulani people thing. Switzerland is doing between the French, German and English territories for peace in their country not two tribes take all in Nigeria and concentrate all development in Nigeria in the South West and North West only.

Odingo1:
There is nothing like North-Southern arrangement, just say they adopted Yoruba- Fulani rotation between South and North because someone from North central cannot be given opportunity.

Would you be saying this if Ojukwu had won in 2003 or 2007? Or if Uzor Kalu had won in 2007? Or if Jonathan had won in 2015?

The point is that if you feel a political party's arrangement does not represent your wish, you have the duty to support another party or float yours. You cannot dictate to a Party what to do or how to do their internal arrangements. You can only lobby them or boycott them.

APC says their arrangement is North-South
You may look for a party that adopt Rotation amongst the 6 zones or throw it open for all.

Odingo1:
For equity and peace to reign in Nigeria, presidency should rotate among the six geo-political zones in Nigeria not Yoruba-Fulani people thing. Switzerland is doing between the French, German and English territories for peace in their country not two tribes take all in Nigeria and concentrate all development in Nigeria in the South West and North West only.

This argument of Switzerland doesn't apply to Nigeria.

In Switzerland the Federal Assembly elect a seven man Federal Council for a four year term. Each member presides over the country on turn by turn basis each year. It's more of a collegiate presidency.

Tflex01:
Why did he forsake them in Anambra when he had 8 good years to show them how caring he is??

Make una let us rest with this una tribal fake Messiah thing abeg.

This Una fake stats never tire una

mrvitalis:
I won't mind it

Do that so i can take you serious,hope you see my other mention where you were praising Obi?

theredaddy:
I can understand tonye is playing politics But as for what you are postulating thats a synonym to confused

North has more states than south yet they stand as North, i see no logical reason why south should be partitioned

As a Matter of Fact the East are not the only region yet to produce a President or vice, what about North central

there is no validity for SE to class itself outside East, if they are segregate is because they dont play politics right
look at what Tinubu is doing with SS, Peter obi is going from headies to naming ceremony later they will say they lose

Mumbo-jumbo
What is Tinubu doing with the south south? Or you mean the Chagoury Road to golgotha?

The west is by far more bound politically and even economically with the North West. Let them stay like that. There is nothing that can come out of any political marriage between the east and the west as far as the Tinubu branch of the southwest political grouping is in charge. They fought together, plundered together, formed APC together,... In all these endless political machinations, looting the resources of the east has always been the main bounding interest.., the goal!

South-east should continue with the south south and find willing groups in the north like the north Central to bind with politically. That's the way to go. The South west see the east as a mortal enemy that needs to be annihilated. And they are doing everything to turn the south-east upside down politically and ecomically. The idea that the former Eastern Nigeria should agree to a non existent "Southern Nigeria", where the Southwest will use the big numbers to get power only to jettison the rest, is to say the least - jejune!

TonyeBarcanista:
This argument of Switzerland doesn't apply to Nigeria.

In Switzerland the Federal Assembly elect a seven man Federal Council for a four year term. Each member presides over the country on turn by turn basis each year. It's more of a collegiate presidency.

We are talking about how to bring peace to Nigeria and prevent future crises that may breakup Nigeria. You know in Nigeria that there is Fulani forces that Control Nigeria to ensure or to dictate a particular trend. That is why herdsmen move freely all over Nigeria and take peoples life without any arrest, highest they settle Yorubas with presidency to keep on trend. The Igbos is fed up, The North Central is following up. To solve the problem is to adopt a model like Switzerland that have different ethnicities otherwise we keep on pursuing shadows in Nigeria and pretending that everything is Ok with current arrangement.
Nigeria should be regionalised with central rotational presidency among the geopolitical zones with 5 year single term or face possible breakup in no distant time.

PresidObi:
PDP is dying Tonye, PDP is almost dead. I will advise you to stop romancing a dead body, rather start finding your way to APC like you once did. You would have made it to a state house of Assembly member by now.

Hahahahah

owobokiri:
Mumbo-jumbo
What is Tinubu doing with the south south? Or you mean the Chagoury Road to golgotha?

The west is by far more bound politically and even economically with the North West. Let them stay like that. There is nothing that can come out of any political marriage between the east and the west as far as the Tinubu branch of the southwest political grouping is in charge. They fought together, plundered together, formed APC together,... In all these endless political machinations, looting the resources of the east has always been the main bounding interest.., the goal!

South-east should continue with the south south and find willing groups in the north like the north Central to bind with politically. That's the way to go. The South west see the east as a mortal enemy that needs to be annihilated. And they are doing everything to turn the south-east upside down politically and ecomically. The idea that the former Eastern Nigeria should agree to a non existent "Southern Nigeria", where the Southwest will use the big numbers to get power only to jettison the rest, is to say the least - jejune!

They can't do more than buhari and his henchmen.

They will come and go.

Dot .....

TonyeBarcanista:
Those who conceived it did so for their parties. PDP did theirs in 2006, APC did theirs in 2022... It's for them!

It was conceived at the Abacha's constitutional conference. So, it should have been passed into law.
Its not party anything

mrvitalis:
People like you have taught me the importance of self development so that small change won't make me support things I won't do on a normal day

I can beat my chest and say No politician on earth can by my support... That's a big flex

The sad thing is people who pay you change would never rate you reason you have gotten zero appointments since 2007 you been doing this

nonsense

jmoore:
In all you have written, just know that southeast have decided they will never vote for PDP again until they present an Igbo man as the presidential candidate.

The stinking hypocrisy emanating from your post which your people shamelessly share can never be replicated in the entire universe.

First you gaslight anyone who refuses to vote your obi as being a bigoted tribalist but then again you justify your obi ibo presidency by citing base ethnic chauvinism.

Who do una this thing forgot to give you wisdom to know how to lie properly.

owobokiri:
Mumbo-jumbo
What is Tinubu doing with the south south? Or you mean the Chagoury Road to golgotha?

The west is by far more bound politically and even economically with the North West. Let them stay like that. There is nothing that can come out of any political marriage between the east and the west as far as the Tinubu branch of the southwest political grouping is in charge. They fought together, plundered together, formed APC together,... In all these endless political machinations, looting the resources of the east has always been the main bounding interest.., the goal!

South-east should continue with the south south and find willing groups in the north like the north Central to bind with politically. That's the way to go. The South west see the east as a mortal enemy that needs to be annihilated. And they are doing everything to turn the south-east upside down politically and ecomically. The idea that the former Eastern Nigeria should agree to a non existent "Southern Nigeria", where the Southwest will use the big numbers to get power only to jettison the rest, is to say the least - jejune!

Grammar ! Grammar thats aĺl we get, while the political class continue to play on our intelligence,
you can pretend you dont see whats happening in the SS naa you sabi

The south west bond with North west is not natural, both sides worked toward it, how is East building bridges

I am glad you know nothing can come out of west and East marriage, east dont know how to play politics look at GRV in lagos

Did you say East resources, like Ugwu and palm kernel or whats 🤣🤣🤣 prouding yii nonii

continue how ?? Cant you see the south south are already in bed with Southwest, almost all SS state going into APC ... easterners dont understand politics at all

You guyz dont have the numbers or resources ...and you still do shakara make people chase una dey play

mrvitalis:
Zoning died in 2015 buried in 2023

Ok lets assume zoning died in 2015, after GEJ power went to North for 8yrs, Buhari poor performance could not deter it

Then after 8yrs of North, power came back directly to South, .. what do we make of that

After 2015 why did North not win beyond 8yrs, if zoning is dead who killed it

TonyeBarcanista:
APC never zoned her ticket in 2015. It was thrown open, hence, you had a Southerner (Okorocha) as part of the aspirants. Nigeria didn't zone yhe presidency in 2015 to the North, APC defeated PDP... PDP members worked against the party because it failed to honor its own rotational arrangement. If GEJ had won the story would have been different!

Let me ask, did you vote APC in 2015?

Yeah it was thrown open, But we all saw the North played a crucial role the ticket falls into south picking Tinubu... which is more like an honor of the zoning arrangement

Do Nigerians ever have a say, politikineering starts and end with politicians, there was no way the North would watched Jonathan use 10yrs, even till now the North still nagg South as Ruled more. reality

APC defeated PDP in 2015 cos the timing and permutation was Right, why do you think Tinubu shelved is ambition 2015 and sudden rush out in 2023 shouting emi lo kan

"IF" wey no gree happen in the last 24yrs of our democracy dey play

what do you think gave birth to that statement " Emi lo kan " ...
put rotation and emi lo kan side by side what do you see gudnite

helinues:


President Tinubu's reelection is a done deal. No amount of epistle can change that

Don deal by hunger,poverty,corruption and insecurity.
Are you writing this from makoko in lagos.
How far with the sacrifice in river naija onitsha to lock down SE..lol

owobokiri:
Cork and bull analysis..
Looks like the APC have hired all of you..
Some..
What is the meaning of this:



1) There is nothing like "Southern Nigeria". We need to get that out of the way as quick as possible.. At independence, what we had were THREE REGIONS; The North, The West and The East. As a result of the marginalisation of the then minorities of the West, a referendum was conducted in 1963 and a new region was created; The MidWest, which is basically the present day Edo and Delta States!

2) political representations have always been based on these regional realities since the colonial regimes started bringing in the locals into government following the different constitutional reviews untill the war. There was no time post amalgamation of the southern proliterate with the North, that any part of the south was lumped together with the other. So this later day attempt to lump the igbos of the south-east and their minorities neighbours in the South South with the Yorubas of the southwest, is nothing but a clever political game to use the Southwest to perennially corner all political positions at Aso Rock in the name of the amorphous "Southern Nigeria".. It won't fly..

Wether the regional make up of the country is represented politically in the constitution or not, those who continue to use their undeu advantages earned post the 1966-1970 war to corner everything for themselves, need to be stopped and the regional realities that define Nigerias politics ab intio should be respected..

Rotational presidency or nothing..

There was no marginalization of minorities in the western region unlike what was so brazen and pervasive in your tribalistic eastern region.

For your information, the then Oba of Benin led the call for the creation of Midwestern region in a bid to not to be under the influence of Yoruba cultural dominance.

The majority Yorubas in the regional House in Ibadan did not oppose any motion tabled before the house by the minorities to have a referendum conducted for the creation of Midwestern region.

A core Yoruba MP even rose to present the motion on behalf of the minority representatives.

The referendum was duly granted and successfully conducted and another Yoruba man at the Federal Parliament rose to present the issue for ratification which was duly approved and granted in 1963.

Now compare and contrast to what transpired in your Eastern parliament with the majority ibo MPs shutting down any call by the minorities in the coastal provinces to have a referendum towards seeing to the creation of the Calabar-Ogoja-Rivers region.

Frustrated at Enugu, the minorities then took their plight to the federal house in Lagos and had secured the support of both northern, western and Midwestern MPs to pass a resolution for a referendum to be conducted.

Sensing the inevitable , your Zik who had earlier warned ibo MPs never to agree to a referendum for the minorities, stating that "it will see to what was remaining of the eastern region being the poorest" and also the greed to control the newly discovered oil wells in the coastal enclaves led your Zik to activate his morons in the army to stage a bloody coup on Jan 15 so as to prevent the federal house from reconvening to discuss and pass a resolution in support of a referendum for the creation of COR region.

You Ibos better stop lying brazenly .

This is why the likes of Adaka Boro decided to lead an insurection to leave Nigeria after ironsi dismantled regions . At that juncture of passing decree 34 , it became obvious to the most naive that the coup of Jan 15 was carried out on the instructions of Zik to prevent the end of the parasitic ibo dominated eastern region.


Not stopping there, after the successful counter coup , your Ojukwu who had been the only MILAD to have openly welcomed the disastrous decree 34 suddenly went 180 after Gowon passed decree 8 that not only abrogated ironsi's decree 34 but created regional armies and was set to create COR region.

Gowon will later settle for states and carved out two states out of your east which were supposed to be part of COR region.

Ojukwu and Ibos are that time we're all livid over the liberation of the minority people that had been yoked to you ibos by the British colonial govt under their Eastern Nigeria colonial administration.

This is the history of your greed, covetousness and compound stupidity that led to the Jan 15 coup, the counter coup and the civil war.

Now compare that to how Ibadan handled the minority demands and supported it totally as against you Ibos who only saw yourselves as the inherited owners of the colonial estate.

The Yorubas declared early during the discussion over the creation of Midwest region that they being a people who fought for their independence from the British could not in any way colonise others.

Now that there lies the difference and why SS people will forever resent you Ibos.

TonyeBarcanista:
'Tonye Barcanista

Welcome back. I remembered when a nairalnder specifically asked of you in one of the thread.

Meanwhile, I don't care about who has rule and whose turn it is to rule. What we want is competence and free and fair election.

theredaddy:
Yeah it was thrown open, But we all saw the North played a crucial role the ticket falls into south picking Tinubu... which is more like an honor of the zoning arrangement

APC entered zoning arrangements in 2022 just as PDP did in 2006

Do Nigerians ever have a say, politikineering starts and end with politicians, there was no way the North would watched Jonathan use 10yrs, even till now the North still nagg South as Ruled more. reality

Nigerians have a say! Irrespective of parties arrangements, its up to Nigerians to accept the best alternative.

APC defeated PDP in 2015 cos the timing and permutation was Right, why do you think Tinubu shelved is ambition 2015 and sudden rush out in 2023 shouting emi lo kan

"IF" wey no gree happen in the last 24yrs of our democracy dey play

what do you think gave birth to that statement " Emi lo kan " ...
put rotation and emi lo kan side by side what do you see gudnite

PDP lost election partly due to an internal implosion. Emi lokan was about a gentleman agreement between Buhari and Tinubu

MrSly:
Welcome back. I remembered when a nairalnder specifically asked of you in one of the thread.

Meanwhile, I don't care about who has rule and whose turn it is to rule. What we want is competence and free and fair election.

NL degenerated into something else. I've been around though but not active. I hope sanity has been restored.

TonyeBarcanista:
'Tonye Barcanista

are qe running a one party state? All parties are free to have their own arrangement. Keep shut and stop trying to hack into the minds of the politically naive.

TonyeBarcanista:
APC entered zoning arrangements in 2022 just as PDP did in 2006


Nigerians have a say! Irrespective of parties arrangements, its up to Nigerians to accept the best alternative.


PDP lost election partly due to an internal implosion. Emi lokan was about a gentleman agreement between Buhari and Tinubu

I wont look at it along Party line cos thats where they mount the confusion politicians are one , Zoning arrangement is a Regional agreement between North and south base on "good faith " or should i say mutual understanding

Mr tonye i asked you a question, you dodged it ... why did Tinubu feel "emi lo kan" after Buhari and not right after Jonathan

Even when Buhari turned is back on Tinubu pre 2019 why did Tinubu condone Buhari for 8yrs before he can came out to declare

what stopped an ambitious Tinubu 2015, 2019 from contesting ... what

If truly People decide, how come in the last 24yrs we never fell out of line on the "zoning arrangement" not once ... 24yrs of an electoral pattern is too long for coincidences or luck dont you think

AK481:
In 1999 why were there only yoruba candidates?

Show me who ignored this arrangement and didn't waste his money and time , roundly rejected by humans and the gods?

Obasanjo defeated Alex ekweme in PDP

N olu falae defeated ogbonnaya onu in AC

Yorubas defeated Igbos so that's y