₦airaland Forum

DrAda:
This is not the solution to the problem. Even if the universities admit and churn out a zillion doctors, almost all will want to leave this country due to the insanely poor wages.

I am not stating the solution, I am stating the problem we have.

Tohsynetita1:
I am not stating the solution, I am stating the problem we have.

Which is?

Dalohad:
Increase admission rate for Medicine like Cuba did and stop this noise. Stop hoarding medic knowledge..

Cuba as liberalised the study of medicine and has more Doctors than mechanics.. They even export Doctors and still have enough for themselves.

Increase admission rate. Simple.

Increase admission rate with which facilities. Medical training institution are already overwhelmed and u want to add more?

malali:
Over 2 years of this administration.

Not a single plan or effort by the president and his Minister of health to stem the JAPA of our highly trained Medical doctors abroad.

Instead of addressing this issue, the president packs his bags and goes to France for medical treatment.

A state of emergency should have been declared on day one of this regime.

A think tank should have been given 30 days to submit a white paper on how to stop JAPA of medical doctors.

Give doctors an interest free mortgage on graduation. With those who go to Borno getting a 100% match by the federal government exclude states like Lagos with a lot of private practitioners. Grade the match from least desirable states having more than more favorable states.

Issue them a special pension, 30% match of whatever you contribute, not withdrawable for 20 years, starts 2 years before they complete medical school to lock them in.

There are so many ways you can retain your doctors 100%. But the administration just lacks seminal ideas.

We have Nigerian problems, we have to come up with Nigerian solutions.

President PO has not spoken.

Wait let him speak first and you will see FG start running kiti kata while their b-zoners go into over drive.

Please just don't fall sick to require hospital services in Abuja at the moment. The situation is really terrible.

Lol
What an irony.
Trying to get House job in Abuja hospitals is like finding a needle in hay stack.
They don't even upload them on the Housemanship portal because you have to know "someone" to get in.
Abuja and Lagos hospitals are birds of a feather.

Messed up Country.

franchasng:
It's high time Ministry of Education, NUC, NMA, NMC and all relevant bodies come together to reach an agreement to increase the admission quota for medical and health related courses for all universities and nursing schools.


So many JAMB applicants/candidates applied for Medicine, FG via Ministry of Education should direct schools to admit at least 90% of students that applied for medicine and nursing.


The poor performing ones can be weeded off during university level


We have the youth population, they are ready to study these courses but JAMB and universities keep frustrating them, it's not done that way abroad. Relax some of these unnecessary rules and restrictions.



We need to produce more medical professionals than we can consume, that's the only way not by stopping those willing to migrate abroad, who also bring in FOREX to Nigeria.


Nigeria need foreign remittances, and one greatest way to get it is by having more Nigerians work abroad as professionals, and medical and IT professions seems to be our only hope of producing enough professionals that we can export abroad, so what do we do? Look for a way to start producing more medical and IT professionals so that we can have more than enough in Nigeria and still export without bleeding or crying fowl.


I don't understand the kind of mediocre people leading Ministry of Education, Ministry of Health, NUC, NMA, NMC and other government bodies in charge of these things, na wa oh

rubbish as usual. so u want a crooked educational system that will admit large number of people into our schools for medical courses and then remove/shortchange and frustrate many students . why would u want them to waste thier school fees and many other expenses and then the students would lose their admission because of poor performance. is that not crazy and madness

Dalohad:
Increase admission rate for Medicine like Cuba did and stop this noise. Stop hoarding medic knowledge..

Cuba as liberalised the study of medicine and has more Doctors than mechanics.. They even export Doctors and still have enough for themselves.

Increase admission rate. Simple.

Numbers are actually increasing.

Schools are churning out doctors every year.

Oluboh:
https://thenigerianpost.com.ng/patients-suffer-abuja-hospitals-cry-out-over-lack-of-house-officers/

Baba tinubu doesn't care if u die or survive... Is mean concern is how many federal roads he wants to complete within 4yrs of his tenure...

Some fat illiterates are agitating for another 4yrs...of APC...

And sleeping citizens are buying into this crazy idea..

franchasng:
It's high time Ministry of Education, NUC, NMA, NMC and all relevant bodies come together to reach an agreement to increase the admission quota for medical and health related courses for all universities and nursing schools.


So many JAMB applicants/candidates applied for Medicine, FG via Ministry of Education should direct schools to admit at least 90% of students that applied for medicine and nursing.


The poor performing ones can be weeded off during university level


We have the youth population, they are ready to study these courses but JAMB and universities keep frustrating them, it's not done that way abroad. Relax some of these unnecessary rules and restrictions.



We need to produce more medical professionals than we can consume, that's the only way not by stopping those willing to migrate abroad, who also bring in FOREX to Nigeria.


Nigeria need foreign remittances, and one greatest way to get it is by having more Nigerians work abroad as professionals, and medical and IT professions seems to be our only hope of producing enough professionals that we can export abroad, so what do we do? Look for a way to start producing more medical and IT professionals so that we can have more than enough in Nigeria and still export without bleeding or crying fowl.


I don't understand the kind of mediocre people leading Ministry of Education, Ministry of Health, NUC, NMA, NMC and other government bodies in charge of these things, na wa oh

This is not the solution. The solution is to make working conditions more favorable for health workers and invest heavily in medical equipment that will make their job easier.

Even if we admit more medical students without addressing the roots of the problem, all those admitted with continue to japa.

Dalohad:
Increase admission rate for Medicine like Cuba did and stop this noise. Stop hoarding medic knowledge..

Cuba as liberalised the study of medicine and has more Doctors than mechanics.. They even export Doctors and still have enough for themselves.

Increase admission rate. Simple.

Exactly what India did….

AntiChristian:


Many don Japa!

Make the west help us by stoping all japa henceforth especially healthcare related!

So make Doctor dey suffer dey go dey drive, tokunbo honda 2004 ba??

Error

Oluboh:
https://thenigerianpost.com.ng/patients-suffer-abuja-hospitals-cry-out-over-lack-of-house-officers/

Solution:
1. Step down JAMB's Medicine cut-off mark to 250
2. Give grants/scholarships to medical students
3. Equip medical departments of public universities
4. Create a legal framework to a comfortable work environment for medical doctors.
5. Create jobs like building hospitals, equipping them for more employment of medical graduates
6. Send medical doctors abroad on courses in critical areas of medicine, e.g surgical, cancer management and treatment, kidney transplant, etc.
7. Raise the pay of doctors and nurses
Do all that and come and thank me, BAT my boi!

Dalohad:
Increase admission rate for Medicine like Cuba did and stop this noise. Stop hoarding medic knowledge..

Cuba has liberalized the study of medicine and has more Doctors than mechanics.. They even export Doctors and still have enough for themselves.

Increase admission rate. Simple.

Medical care in Cuba is NOT excellent or even adequate. Like all subsidized and free government owned systems, it STARTED and operated well for some time, until the government couldn't sustain it and now it's broken down, inefficient and unwanted. The Cuban medical system is still basking in the glow of propaganda based on achievements that happened decades ago.

Here are two articles, one critical and one praising the Cuban health system.

https://bpr.studentorg.berkeley.edu/2019/02/09/cubas-healthcare-system-a-political-social-and-economic-revolution/

https://havanatimes.org/features/the-sad-state-of-health-care-in-cuba-for-2024/

Anyone can do further research, keep an open mind and judge.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=quality+of+medical+care+in+cuba&cvid=ad255877a50b48a68f824b2c8c68b7d6&gs_lcrp=EgRlZGdlKgYIABBFGDkyBggAEEUYOTIGCAEQABhAMgYIAhAAGEAyBggDEAAYQDIGCAQQABhAMgYIBRAAGEAyBggGEAAYQDIGCAcQABhAMgYICBAAGEDSAQg4MTMxajBqOagCCLACAQ&FORM=ANAB01&PC=DCTS&ntref=1

Nothing owned by government ever works, the same breakdown now afflicts the FREE medical systems of the UK and Canada. In Canada healthcare has so overwhelmed the government that it has resorted to a massive program to encourage SUICIDE.

All pharmacies in Sweden used to be owned by government, they got so rundown that the government privatized the industry in 2009.

A reasonable person can concede that healthcare is not totally amenable to free market principles. Demand for health service isn't voluntary, so that distorts the market. The solution is NOT government takeover or massive subsidies. Healthcare is a secondary good sustained by a booming economy, marginal demand increases when people are financially buoyant. Therefore improving the general economy and raising household incomes is a major part of the solution.

Nothing owned or operated by government works well in the long run. Nothing. It's human nature, it can never change. The problem of healthcare in Nigeria is government ownership, control and regulation. Think about this - FERTILITY MEDICINE is booming in Nigeria, providing good service and excellent results. Why?

Good Luck to Nigeria.

Most Nigerians were so much in a haste to ask sailent questions when APC offered them CHANGE in 2015.

qtx:
Solution:
1. Step down JAMB's Medicine cut-off mark to 250
2. Give grants/scholarships to medical students
3. Equip medical departments of public universities
4. Create a legal framework to a comfortable work environment for medical doctors.
5. Create jobs like building hospitals, equipping them for more employment of medical graduates
6. Send medical doctors abroad on courses in critical areas of medicine, e.g surgical, cancer management and treatment, kidney transplant, etc.
7. Raise the pay of doctors and nurses

Your solutions will not work because they are dependent on government. Nigeria has abundant crude oil and yet the government can't refine enough to supply petrol, diesel & kerosene. There's even more natural gas than crude oil in Nigeria, yet there's shortage of electricity. Nothing owned or controlled by government works well in ANY country, in Nigeria there's evidence in telecoms, cement, airlines, cocoa, universities, fertilizer, banking. PRIVATE institutions always perform much better than government institutions. There's no reason to think government can do better with healthcare.

The first step to solving most problems is to get government OUT of the sector or industry or DRASTICALLY reduce their role.

Good Luck to Nigeria.

IbeOkehie:
Your solutions will not work because they are dependent on government. Nigeria has abundant crude oil and yet the government can't refine enough to supply petrol, diesel & kerosene. There's even more natural gas than crude oil in Nigeria, yet there's shortage of electricity. Nothing owned or controlled by government works well in ANY country, in Nigeria there's evidence in telecoms, cement, airlines, universities, fertilizer, banking. PRIVATE institutions always perform much better than government institutions. There's no reason to think government can do better with healthcare.

The first step to solving most problems is to get government OUT of the sector or industry or DRASTICALLY reduce their role.

Good Luck to Nigeria.

who is government? And who is the private sector? Who gets the government out?

Bring in babalawo to come and rescue the situations

qtx:
who is government? And who is the private sector? Who gets the government out?

I'm a middle aged man. When I was a teen, I remember my father and his friends running all over the place looking for cement. There was perennial cement scarcity in Nigeria in the 1970s and 1980s. At that time, all cement companies were owned or controlled by Nigerian Federal & State governments....WAPCO, CCNN, Nigercem in Nkalagu, Benue Cement in Gboko. Non of them were functional or productive just like government owned NNPC refineries and Ajaokuta Steel.

Similar to fuel subsidy fraud, there was huge subsidy fraud in cement. The two major ones happened under Presidents Gowon and Shagari, they were called Cement Armada scandals.

Around 2003, President Obasanjo made new laws and regulations that PRIVATIZED the cement industry. All the government factories were sold to private businesses. After about 10 years, Nigeria became self sufficient in cement and even a cement exporter. There's no cement scarcity in Nigeria anymore.


When the Nigerian government was the SOLE PROVIDER of telephone services, the maximum number of both fixed and mobile lines in Nigeria was around 1 million. President Obasanjo completed the privatization of the telecom sector started by President Babangida. Today Nigeria has over 200 million phone lines and nobody pays bribe to get a phone. A recent conversation made me realize that the vast majority of young adults in Nigeria today don't know there was a time when government was the SOLE OWNER AND PROVIDER of telecom service in Nigeria, through a company called NITEL.

qtx:
who is government? And who is the private sector? Who gets the government out?

Your question is answered in full.

Good Luck to Nigeria.

Only for those who can't fly out to treat headache at Government expenses complain.

Oluboh:
https://thenigerianpost.com.ng/patients-suffer-abuja-hospitals-cry-out-over-lack-of-house-officers/

Even House Officers are avoiding UCH currently. My nephew that did his own there lamented about the precarious situation there. No electricity for almost 1 year. I don't know if the situation has changed now. Nigeria is not a place to be currently.

IbeOkehie:
I'm a middle aged man. When I was a teen, I remember my father and his friends running all over the place looking for cement. There was perennial cement scarcity in Nigeria in the 1970s and 1980s. At that time, all cement companies were owned or controlled by Nigerian Federal & State governments....WAPCO, CCNN, Nigercem in Nkalagu, Benue Cement in Gboko. Non of them were functional or productive just like government owned NNPC refineries and Ajaokuta Steel.

Similar to fuel subsidy fraud, there was huge subsidy fraud in cement. The two major ones happened under Presidents Gowon and Shagari, they were called Cement Armada scandals.

Around 2003, President Obasanjo made new laws and regulations that PRIVATIZED the cement industry. All the government factories were sold to private businesses. After about 10 years, Nigeria became self sufficient in cement and even a cement exporter. There's no cement scarcity in Nigeria anymore.


When the Nigerian government was the SOLE PROVIDER of telephone services, the maximum number of both fixed and mobile lines in Nigeria was around 1 million. President Obasanjo completed the privatization of the telecom sector started by President Babangida. Today Nigeria has over 200 million phone lines and nobody pays bribe to get a phone. A recent conversation made me realize that the vast majority of young adults in Nigeria today don't know there was a time when government was the SOLE OWNER AND PROVIDER of telecom service in Nigeria, through a company called NITEL.



Your question is answered in full.

Good Luck to Nigeria.

Well, in terms of product or service availability, if truly and properly privatized, we see an advantage. Maybe also because the privatization took place in olden days like before the late 2000s. Because it seems to me like with this current generation of leaders, it’s more difficult to privatize a government asset and truly get the benefit to the people. Recall that even OBJ's administration privatized much more number of establishments that you mentioned, but only a few survived the process, like the telco industry, cement, and a few more. While others could not see the light of day. Perhaps that goes to say the so-called governments of today only see the need to privatize if it favours their private interests. Also keep in mind that during OBJ, too, they were accused of converting some of those assets to their personal properties. Look at NNPC that was recently privatized, are we seeing anything good coming out of it? Hence, it will be very difficult for the recent or present government to privatize anything with her own personal interest which is not good for the welfare of the masses

qtx:
Well, in terms of product or service availability, if truly and properly privatized, we see an advantage. Maybe also because the privatization took place in olden days like before the late 2000s. Because it seems to me like with this current generation of leaders, it’s more difficult to privatize a government asset and truly get the benefit to the people. Recall that even OBJ's administration privatized much more number of establishments that you mentioned, but only a few survived the process, like the telco industry, cement, and a few more. While others could not see the light of day. Perhaps that goes to say the so-called governments of today only see the need to privatize if it favours their private interests. Also keep in mind that during OBJ, too, they were accused of converting some of those assets to their personal properties. Look at NNPC that was recently privatized, are we seeing anything good coming out of it? Hence, it will be very difficult for the recent or present government to privatize anything with her own personal interest which is not good for the welfare of the masses

1) Well, in terms of product or service availability, if truly and properly privatized, we see an advantage. Maybe also because the privatization took place in olden days like before the late 2000s. Because it seems to me like with this current generation of leaders, it’s more difficult to privatize a government asset and truly get the benefit to the people.

That is true, it's very clear and beneficial to everyone....the consumers get access to what they want without scarcity, the government gets taxes from profitable companies, people get employed by profitable companies, investors get a return on their money. Win, win, win for all. The same thing can happen today with say Ajaokuta Steel and Federal Universities like Unilag or UNN.

2) Recall that even OBJ's administration privatized much more number of establishments that you mentioned, but only a few survived the process,

Yes, those that didn't survive failed because they couldn't compete. For example, NITEL didn't survive because it couldn't compete against MTN and Econet. That's what happens to ANY COMPANY that doesn't provide good product. For example, Diamond Bank was NEVER owned by government, it was PRIVATE and it failed and was taken over by Access Bank. There's nothing strange about company failure, it must happen sometimes when BETTER companies are in the market. It's possible that the NNPC refineries will not survive the competition from Dangote and some other private refineries that are coming.

3) Perhaps that goes to say the so-called governments of today only see the need to privatize if it favours their private interests. Also keep in mind that during OBJ, too, they were accused of converting some of those assets to their personal properties.

It's better to sell NNPC to Wike's son for $1, sell Ajaokuta Steel to Senator Natasha for $2....than allow them to continue producing LOSSES for the Nigerian Government. Nigerians are paying BILLIONS OF NAIRA in salary to the staff of Ajaokuta Steel for producing NOTHING.

Punch Newspapers
https://punchng.com › moribund-ajaokuta-steel-workers-...
Dec 25, 2024 — The Federal Government has budgeted N6.21bn for salaries of workers of the moribund Ajaokuta Steel Company next year, according to the proposed 2025 budget.

Let whatever politician who wants it please TAKE IT and make it productive and enjoy the profits. That would be a better outcome than today.

It's a pity Nigerians can't seem to understand basic economic principles. Anyway, government can continue controlling healthcare, let's see how far it gets. Today in Nigeria, patients have to pay BRIBE to get admitted to Federal University Teaching Hospitals like LUTH or UNTH.

Good Luck to Nigerians.

This is serious. If the government are finding it hard recruiting doctors within the country, maybe they should increase their pay and scout for doctors outside the country,as other nations are doing.

Bonab:
This is serious. If the government are finding it hard recruiting doctors within the country, maybe they should increase their pay and scout for doctors outside the country,as other nations are doing.

Government shouldn't be training or recruiting doctors in the first place or setting their salary. Fertility medicine is booming in Nigeria with ZERO government participation, patients are generally happy, the doctors are making a lot of money, outcomes are good. Nigerians should ask themselves WHY.

Good Luck to Nigeria.

Jokerman:
So make Doctor dey suffer dey go dey drive, tokunbo honda 2004 ba??

Make we join develop our land!

His leadership commitment is all about projects! project!! If you remove project from his agenda, that man go resign.

Mr Project.

KillahPriest:
"The root of the problem appears to lie with the Health Management Board (HMB) under the supervision of the FCT Minister. Despite multiple appeals, applications, and inquiries from medical graduates awaiting posting, no new batch of house officers has been employed in the FCT hospitals since late 2024".


That one is either granting interviews complaining about Fubara or snapping pictures with his son while under official assignment in China. I don't blame him sha, he doesn't patronize Nigerian hospitals

Belurved1:
His leadership commitment is all about projects! project!! If you remove project from his agenda, that man go resign.

Mr Project.

Despite multiple appeals, applications, and inquiries from medical graduates awaiting posting, no new batch of house officers has been employed in the FCT hospitals since late 2024

Projects alone at the risk of human lives that don't have the luxury of seeking treatment abroad for ordinary headaches ? That's a sackable offence but we all know say na yeye country we dey. This is the height of irresponsibility

TONYE001:
Lolz.

One of the best ways of having HOs is to make work bearable for them: good accommodation, good work conditions, zero toxicity, etc. See, house officers select centres based on the feedbacks they get from colleagues. If your centre is horrible, you are likely to have few applicants. It's as simple as that.

Plus, a good number of these Abuja centres are "locked and kept for the connected." Some centres, as a matter of fact, hardly appear on the portal. The corruption in this country is far-reaching.


Abuja is a choice destination for many doctors, and shouldn't lack house officers.

Exacto!
Even before they graduate, they are already getting orientation.

I'm a final year medical student, and I'm not even planning to do the internship in my Teaching Hospital. The toxicity and workload...!!!

Dalohad:
Increase admission rate for Medicine like Cuba did and stop this noise. Stop hoarding medic knowledge..

Cuba as liberalised the study of medicine and has more Doctors than mechanics.. They even export Doctors and still have enough for themselves.

Increase admission rate. Simple.

Increase admission quota to which facilities?

MDCN increased some school's quota to about 150, yet they can't make it happen coz the facilities they have aren't even enough for their current quota.

Medical Students do their postings in batches.

People still don't get it. It's not about how many you train, it's about the quality of the profession first of all.
Saving lives is not enough incentive for people to come and suffer.

In this economy, a house officer shouldn't earn less than 500k. If you do that and you similarly raise the amount those that will train them also earn, you have started thinking like someone who understands the problem. Then bring in adequate doctors to the existing facilities before you start talking about building 1000 million hospitals somewhere. Adequate as in adequate not 3 doctors working like they're trying to build the pyramids. From there, listen to the actual doctors... not clueless asshole ministers and hospital administrators who are the root of the problem.