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God introduced Himself as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob to Moses.



Exo 3:6 KJV Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.

God maintains His covenant to the Abraham, Isaac & Jacob and their Children.


Psa 105 KJV
7] He is the LORD our God: his judgments are in all the earth.
8] He hath remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations.
9] Which covenant he made with Abraham, and his oath unto Isaac;
10] And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:

If your book does not mention this introduction and this covenant, then your religion is fake
This explains why you hate those who their God is the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob

Kobojunkie:
I hate the way you relgiius folks almost always fail at using your brains. 😶😶😶😶

He IS the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (implies⟹) that He IS NOT the God of those who are not descended from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

What that means is, regardless of your religion, delusions or ideas, if you are not born from your mother's womb as a blood descendant of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob, He is not your God. 😏

Jesus gave us a way into the divine, so through Jesus He becomes our God too.
😃

That's why Jesus came.

Rejecting Jesus means automatic condemnation.

Bubu4Sea:
➜God introduced Himself as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob to Moses..... God maintains His covenant to the Abraham, Isaac & Jacob and their Children...If your book does not mention this introduction and this covenant, then your religion is fake This explains why you hate those who their God is the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob

I hate the way you relgiius folks almost always fail at using your brains. 😶😶😶😶

He IS the God of Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob (implies⟹) that He IS NOT the God of those not descended from the bloodline of Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob.
Even if you are descended from Abraham, or Isaac, so long as you are not also descended from Jacob himself, He is not your God.

What that means is, regardless of your religion, delusions or ideas, if you are not born from your mother's womb as a blood descendant of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob, He is not your God. 😏

Bubu4Sea:
➜Jesus gave us a way into the divine, so through Jesus He becomes our God too.
➜😃 That's why Jesus came. Rejecting Jesus means automatic condemnation.

1. Where in the words of Jesus Christ of Israel do you get this conclusion of yours from?

2. How could the same man who declared that His Father only sent Him to the bloodline of Jacob be said to have offered you, a non-Israelite, this which you claim?

Ignorance

Kobojunkie:
I hate the way you relgiius folks almost always fail at using your brains. 😶😶😶😶

He IS the God of Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob (implies⟹) that He IS NOT the God of those not descended from the bloodline of Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob.
Even if you are descended from Abraham, or Isaac, so long as you are not also descended from Jacob himself, He is not your God.

What that means is, regardless of your religion, delusions or ideas, if you are not born from your mother's womb as a blood descendant of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob, He is not your God. 😏1. Where in the words of Jesus Christ of Israel do you get this conclusion of yours from?

2. How could the same man who declared that His Father only sent Him to the bloodline of Jacob be said to have offered you, a non-Israelite, this which you claim?

Matthew 28:18-20 NIV

[18] Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

[19] Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

[20] and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

That is Jesus speaking after his resurrection, giving directions to his followers to make disciples of all nations and not just Israel.

When John addressed Jesus in John 1:29, he said "Behold the lamb of God that taketh away the sin of the world" and not the sin of Jews or Israelites.

So the God of Jesus is not just the God of the Jews and Israelites as you claim.

Babinski:
➜That is Jesus speaking after his resurrection, giving directions to his followers to make disciples of all nations and not just Israel.
➜When John addressed Jesus in John 1:29, he said "Behold the lamb of God that taketh away the sin of the world" and not the sin of Jews or Israelites.
➜ So the God of Jesus is not just the God of the Jews and Israelites as you claim.

1. Jesus Christ of Israel never said the statement in bold & red. This could not have happened since the country called "Israel" had been destroyed over 700 years before Jesus Christ was born. 🙄🙄🙄🙄

2. In John 3 vs 14 - 16, Jesus Christ of Israel clarified that the World He was sent to by His Father was the same world that Moses raised the Bronze serpent to in the desert, and that world happened to be the World that comprised of the damned descendants of Jacob according to Numbers 27.

3. God of Jesus gave Himself the title, God of Israel. Jesus Christ of Israel made clear that He only did as His Father — God of Israel—commanded and that He was sent by His Father only to the Lost Sheep of Israel, the bloodline of Jacob.

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Have you ever taken a course in logic back in either high school or college? Assuming you have, consider the following:

Premise 1: Only clothing in the color Blue is acceptable
Premise 2: Clothing of every other color is unholy
Premise 3: Go into all the stores out in every nation(the World) and buy me clothing

What do you think should be the best fit conclusion on the color of all clothing that should be bought back, given the information provided above?

The Tanakh is a book written by Jews for Jews. For their religion called Judaism....it's their national religion. It was never meant for the whole world. I am with kobojunkie on this.

But the so called new testament was written by Europeans. It was written in koine Greeks. It was for their religion called Christianity/Catholicism. It was for the national religion of the Roman empire. Why they added it at the end of the Jewish one is what I don't know.

Africans have their own unique form of spirituality. That was very beautiful. It was passed down from father to son. Some elders are taking the pains to put them down in written form.
I think we should come back to our own rich heritage and leave the Europeans with their confusion...

Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ of Israel never said the statement in bold & red. This could not have happened since the country called "Israel" had been destroyed over 700 years before Jesus Christ was born. 🙄🙄🙄🙄

2. In John 3 vs 14 - 16, Jesus Christ of Israel clarified that the World He was sent to by His Father was the same world that Moses raised the Bronze serpent to in the desert, and that world happened to be the World that comprised of the damned descendants of Jacob according to Numbers 27.

3. God of Jesus gave Himself the title, God of Israel. Jesus Christ of Israel made clear that He only did as His Father — God of Israel—commanded and that He was sent by His Father only to the Lost Sheep of Israel, the bloodline of Jacob.

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Have you ever taken a course in logic back in either high school or college? Assuming you have, consider the following:

Premise 1: Only clothing in the color Blue is acceptable
Premise 2: Clothing of every other color is unholy
Premise 3: Go into all the stores out in every nation(the World) and buy me clothing

What do you think should be the best fit conclusion on the color of all clothing that should be bought back, given the information provided above?

I applaud your sophistry, but I am not swayed by such false arguments.

1. Jesus said make disciples of all nations and the text clarifying that it is not Israel is clearly mine to show the contrast that all nations is beyond Israel which is the nation of Jews. Even if you want to argue that Jews are spread across the world, they are not in all nations.

2. I am honestly perplexed at your attempt to equate the "world of Moses" to the "world" that God so loved and gave his only begotten Son in John 3:16 based on the analogy in John 3:14 that as Moses was lifted up in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up,. Apology for any offense, but it indicates not only shallow reasoning but also a convoluted one. You could as well have argued that the world that God loved is a wilderness.

3. God called himself the God of Abraham before any other person. And the same God who changed Abram's name to Abraham said Abraham means "father of nations" (Genesis 17:5). In essence by being the God of Abraham, the father of nations, God is not limiting himself just to the Israelites and Jews.

While Jesus initially focused on the lost Sheep of Israel, John the Baptist's declaration about the lamb that takes away the sin of the world (John 1:29), the prophetic declaration in Genesis 22:18 that all nations will be blessed through an offspring (not offsprings) of Abraham, Jesus' mandate to make disciples of all nations after his resurrection in Matthew and the clarifications in John 1:11 - 13 that he came unto his own but his own accepted him not but power is give to as many as accept him to be sons of God; all these verses work out to present a clear picture that Jesus Christ and his message of salvation is for all nations both as intended by God in His plan from Genesis and even as confirmed by Jesus after resurrection.

If you are an atheist or unbeliever, stick with your position and not try to spread disinformation by sophistry.

You on convoluted logic with colour blue is a tenuous and unsustainable attempt to spin truth on its head. Rest.

Babinski:
➜I applaud your sophistry, but I am not swayed by such false arguments.
1. Jesus said make disciples of all nations and the text clarifying that it is not Israel is clearly mine to show the contrast that all nations is beyond Israel which is the nation of Jews.
➜ Even if you want to argue that Jews are spread across the world, they are not in all nations.

But the Israelites who formerly occupied the land of Canaan were booted from their nation and spread all over the world. YHWH Himself did this to them - Deuteronomy 28 - 32. Jesus Christ of Israel rightly sent His followers into all the nations— every tribe, every tongue, and every nation — to go gather back to Jerusalem, the children of Israel — Isaiah 66 vs 18 - 21.

18 “They have evil thoughts and do evil things, so I am coming to punish them. I will gather all nations and all people. Everyone will be gathered together to see my Glory.[c]
19 I will put a mark on some of the people. I will send some of these saved people to the nations of Tarshish, Libya,[d] Lud[e] (the land of archers), Tubal,[f] Greece, and all the faraway lands. Those people have never heard my teachings. They have never seen my Glory. So the saved people will tell the nations about my glory.
20 And they will bring all your brothers and sisters from those other nations to my holy mountain Jerusalem as an offering to the Lord. Your brothers and sisters will ride on horses, mules, camels, and in chariots and wagons. They will be like the gifts that the Israelites bring on clean plates to the Temple of the Lord.
21 I will also choose some of these people to be priests and Levites.” The Lord himself said this. - Isaiah 66 vs 18 - 21

2. Notice, I have generally avoided using the Jews to this point since the term Jews only applied to a subset of the descendants of Jacob. Also, Jesus Christ of Israel never said He came to save the nation of Israel, nor did He say He came to save the nation of Judah. Rather, what He said was that He was sent only to the bloodline of Jacob—people of Israel—of which the Jews(the lines of Benjamin, Judah, and Levi) were only a small subset of.

Also, your claim that the Jewish subset of Israel cannot be found in all other nations is false. These people were exiled from their land at two points in history, during which many who were sold to other nations as slaves could have had their descendants migrate to other parts of the world, to all nations.

Babinski:
➜ 2. I am honestly perplexed at your attempt to equate the "world of Moses" to the "world" that God so loved and gave his only begotten Son in John 3:16 based on the analogy in John 3:14 that as Moses was lifted up in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up,. Apology for any offense, but it indicates not only shallow reasoning but also a convoluted one. You could as well have argued that the world that God loved is a wilderness.

You are not perplexed! Rather, you reject the facts as stated by Jesus Christ of Israel Himself, clarifying that He would be raised, in the same way that Moses raised the bronze snake in the desert.

We learn from Numbers 27 that Moses raised the bronze snake, not for the sake of the foreigners who were among the Israelites, but for the sake of the children of Israel who were bitten by the poisonous snakes in the desert and condemned to die. There was no mention that the foreigners were bitten, and there were foreigners among the people. By insisting He too would be raised in the same way in John 3 vs 14 - 18, Jesus Christ of Israel sealed the fact that He was sent by His Father, YHWH, God of Israel, only to the bloodline of Israel, the people named by YHWH.

I am not here for a debate, but you need to step out of the box of religious delusion you have long existed with and push beyond that boundary to free yourself.

Kobojunkie:
You are not perplexed! Rather, you reject the facts as stated by Jesus Christ of Israel Himself, clarifying that He would be raised, in the same way that Moses raised the bronze snake in the desert.

We learn from Numbers 27 that Moses raised the bronze snake, not for the sake of the foreigners who were among the Israelites, but for the sake of the children of Israel who were bitten by the poisonous snakes in the desert and condemned to die. There was no mention that the foreigners were bitten, and there were foreigners among the people. By insisting He too would be raised in the same way in John 3 vs 14 - 18, Jesus Christ of Israel sealed the fact that He was sent by His Father, YHWH, God of Israel, only to the bloodline of Israel, the people named by YHWH.

I am not here for a debate, but you need to step out of the box of religious delusion you have long existed with and push beyond that boundary to free yourself.

The implications of Moses raising the bronze serpent (which is in Numbers 21 and not 27 as you claim) is for salvation for those bitteb by the snakes. Jesus himself referenced the story in John 3:14-15, stating, "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life". 

Trying to extrapolate from the story as refenced by Jesus to imply Jesus was sent only to Israelites because the audience of Moses in the wilderness were Israelites is seriously laughable. Have you never heard of analogies before? The purpose of the Moses and Bronze Serpent analogy is to bring out the salvation from Jesus death on the cross and ensuing salvation. It is all a manner of speech because even simply looking at Jesus on the cross by direct translation does not grant you salvation as in the instance of the bronze serpent. That is why Jesus qualifies it with "believing in him to have eternal life". Looking at the serpent never granted eternal life. So you cannot just decide to pick things from the background that suits your narrative. Jesus said "whoever believes" and there is no way anyone can read that as limiting to Israelites.

I conclude with John 1:11-12 which says of Jesus:

[11] He came unto his own, and his own received him not. [12] But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name.

If you still don't get it and insist that Jesus's message is strictly for Israelites, then I will say eat your Fufu, take your medication with plenty water and rest. Your mental health need it.