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Muslims Failing To Answer; Will Muhammad Follow Jesus Or Not? by gohf(op):
Some question turned to a simple debate where some questions were answered and some weren't but one that hasn't been answered by Muslims who share the view that Jesus is the Messiah is, will Muhammad follow and submit to the judgement of Jesus the Messiah. Seeing as none as said that Muhammad is another Messiah or a replacement Christ.

https://www.nairaland.com/8421569/make-sense-number-things-heard


I also still want a clear explanation as to how Muhammad is the last prophet and not claims or declarations.
Re: Muslims Failing To Answer; Will Muhammad Follow Jesus Or Not? by AntiChristian: 10:12am On May 18, 2025
gohf:
Some question turned to a simple debate where some questions were answered and some weren't but one that hasn't been answered by Muslims who share the view that Jesus is the Messiah is, will Muhammad follow and submit to the judgement of Jesus the Messiah. Seeing as none as said that Muhammad is another Messiah or a replacement Christ.

https://www.nairaland.com/8421569/make-sense-number-things-heard

I also still want a clear explanation as to how Muhammad is the last prophet and not claims or declarations.
The Prophet (salallahu alayhi wasalam) said if Moses (Alayhi salatu wasalam) were to be alive he'll have no choice but to follow him.

So it's clear even Jesus will follow Muhammad when he comes back.
Re: Muslims Failing To Answer; Will Muhammad Follow Jesus Or Not? by gohf(op): 11:39am On May 18, 2025
AntiChristian:
The Prophet (salallahu alayhi wasalam) said if Moses (Alayhi salatu wasalam) were to be alive he'll have no choice but to follow him.

So it's clear even Jesus will follow Muhammad when he comes back.
so in truth you do honor Muhammad more than Jesus even though you claim to believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the king of God's kingdom and the one to judge. At first may you deny you do but then you justified yourself by claiming it's because Muhammad is the last prophet so you honor him more than Jesus the king of God's kingdom that you are supposed to be lead into by prophet Muhammad.

Okay, explain to us how God's anointed king and judge would follow Muhammad who is "supposed to submit to God's judgement", how? because it's sounds like Muhammad is boasting that Moses will follow him and you all believe that.

Tell us what Muhammad role in God's kingdom is supposed to be
Re: Muslims Failing To Answer; Will Muhammad Follow Jesus Or Not? by gohf(op): 11:40am On May 18, 2025
Note Antichristian you have still failed to answer the question, will Muhammad follow Jesus, yes or no?
Re: Muslims Failing To Answer; Will Muhammad Follow Jesus Or Not? by CreativeOrbit: 1:30pm On May 18, 2025
In Islam, Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is regarded as the final Messenger and Seal of the Prophets (Qur’an 33:40). Jesus the Messiah (peace be upon him) is also highly revered as one of the greatest prophets, but not divine. According to authentic Islamic teachings, Jesus will return before the Day of Judgment to fulfill specific roles, including restoring justice and correcting misbeliefs about his nature.

However, it is not correct to suggest that Prophet Muhammad will "submit to the judgment of Jesus" in a way that implies superiority or hierarchy after death. Prophet Muhammad has completed his mission and passed away, having fulfilled the final revelation—the Qur'an—which is the standard of judgment for all people, including Jesus upon his return.

When Jesus returns, he will follow the Shariah (law) of Muhammad, not bring a new law. This is supported by Hadith, such as in Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, where the Prophet said Jesus will "break the cross, kill the swine, and abolish the jizya," and that he will rule by the Qur’an and Sunnah, not the Gospel.

So, in Islamic belief, Jesus (peace be upon him) will be a follower of the final Prophet, Muhammad (peace be upon him), upon his return—not the other way around.

gohf AntiChristian
Re: Muslims Failing To Answer; Will Muhammad Follow Jesus Or Not? by gohf(op): 4:02pm On May 18, 2025
CreativeOrbit:
In Islam, Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is regarded as the final Messenger and Seal of the Prophets (Qur’an 33:40). Jesus the Messiah (peace be upon him) is also highly revered as one of the greatest prophets, but not divine. According to authentic Islamic teachings, Jesus will return before the Day of Judgment to fulfill specific roles, including restoring justice and correcting misbeliefs about his nature.
focus on the subject of discuss, which isn't about if Jesus is divine or not. You made mention of Jesus being the Messiah without explaining what that actually means, neither are you stating the specific roles that you say Jesus will fulfill at his return before the Day of Judgement. Do you even know what it means to call Jesus the Messiah not just a prophet or an anointed person, but the Messiah. Do you know what it means or you are just posting information.


However, it is not correct to suggest that Prophet Muhammad will "submit to the judgment of Jesus" in a way that implies superiority or hierarchy after death. Prophet Muhammad has completed his mission and passed away, having fulfilled the final revelation—the Qur'an—which is the standard of judgment for all people, including Jesus upon his return.
to you it is incorrect to suggest that prophet Muhammad will submit to God's will of giving judgement to Jesus? Meanwhile I am asking you all a question not making a suggestion. Now you seem to have a need to establish or imply the superiority or hierarchy after death by stating again that Muhammad brought the Quran, how does that nullify or answer the question. If Jesus is the anointed one to judge by the standard of your Quran will Muhammad submit to his judgement? Is this question too hard, or you cannot just accept that Muhammad will follow a judge appointed by God? And if you cannot accept that, the question is why?


When Jesus returns, he will follow the Shariah (law) of Muhammad, not bring a new law. This is supported by Hadith, such as in Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, where the Prophet said Jesus will "break the cross, kill the swine, and abolish the jizya," and that he will rule by the Qur’an and Sunnah, not the Gospel.
here again you are not following the discuss, there wasn't a mention of Jesus bringing in a new law, but using your very believe that Jesus would judge with that your shariah law and rule by the Quran. Answer the question will Muhammad be under that same rule, that Jesus will rule by with the Quran.

So, in Islamic belief, Jesus (peace be upon him) will be a follower of the final Prophet, Muhammad (peace be upon him), upon his return—not the other way around.

gohf AntiChristian
I can see why some people have problems with some of you Muslims, how did you come about this conclusion. So to you Jesus who will rule and judge others with the Quran will be a follower of Muhammad, okay please explain to us why that is the case.

And don't say something silly like because God gave Muhammad the Quran, did God giving Muhammad the Quran mean he is above the ruling of the Quran?
Re: Muslims Failing To Answer; Will Muhammad Follow Jesus Or Not? by AntiChristian: 5:13pm On May 18, 2025
gohf:
Note Antichristian you have still failed to answer the question, will Muhammad follow Jesus, yes or no?
Jesus will follow Muhammad.
Re: Muslims Failing To Answer; Will Muhammad Follow Jesus Or Not? by CreativeOrbit: 9:37pm On May 18, 2025
gohf:
focus on the subject of discuss, which isn't about if Jesus is divine or not. You made mention of Jesus being the Messiah without explaining what that actually means, neither are you stating the specific roles that you say Jesus will fulfill at his return before the Day of Judgement. Do you even know what it means to call Jesus the Messiah not just a prophet or an anointed person, but the Messiah. Do you know what it means or you are just posting information.


to you it is incorrect to suggest that prophet Muhammad will submit to God's will of giving judgement to Jesus? Meanwhile I am asking you all a question not making a suggestion. Now you seem to have a need to establish or imply the superiority or hierarchy after death by stating again that Muhammad brought the Quran, how does that nullify or answer the question. If Jesus is the anointed one to judge by the standard of your Quran will Muhammad submit to his judgement? Is this question too hard, or you cannot just accept that Muhammad will follow a judge appointed by God? And if you cannot accept that, the question is why?


here again you are not following the discuss, there wasn't a mention of Jesus bringing in a new law, but using your very believe that Jesus would judge with that your shariah law and rule by the Quran. Answer the question will Muhammad be under that same rule, that Jesus will rule by with the Quran.

I can see why some people have problems with some of you Muslims, how did you come about this conclusion. So to you Jesus who will rule and judge others with the Quran will be a follower of Muhammad, okay please explain to us why that is the case.

And don't say something silly like because God gave Muhammad the Quran, did God giving Muhammad the Quran mean he is above the ruling of the Quran?
Thank you for your comment. Let me address your concerns directly and respectfully.

In Islam, Jesus (peace be upon him) is indeed the Messiah, but this title refers to his unique mission—not divinity or superiority over other prophets. His return before the Day of Judgement is to fulfill a role decreed by God: to uphold justice and rule by the Shariah revealed in the Qur’an, not to bring a new law.

Regarding your question about Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) being under Jesus' judgment—Islam does not see it as a matter of hierarchy after death. Prophet Muhammad’s mission is complete; he delivered the final revelation. Jesus, upon returning, will follow that final revelation—the Qur’an. This does not make Jesus superior to Muhammad; rather, it shows that Jesus himself will confirm the truth of Muhammad’s message.

No prophet is above God’s law. Prophet Muhammad lived by the Qur’an, and Jesus will judge by it. This reflects continuity in divine guidance, not a competition between prophets.

Therefore, the Islamic view maintains respect and clarity: each prophet serves his divinely appointed role, and Jesus’ future role will affirm—not override—what Prophet Muhammad brought.
Re: Muslims Failing To Answer; Will Muhammad Follow Jesus Or Not? by gohf(op): 11:56pm On May 18, 2025
CreativeOrbit:
Thank you for your comment. Let me address your concerns directly and respectfully.

In Islam, Jesus (peace be upon him) is indeed the Messiah, but this title refers to his unique mission—not divinity or superiority over other prophets. His return before the Day of Judgement is to fulfill a role decreed by God: to uphold justice and rule by the Shariah revealed in the Qur’an, not to bring a new law.

Regarding your question about Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) being under Jesus' judgment—Islam does not see it as a matter of hierarchy after death. Prophet Muhammad’s mission is complete; he delivered the final revelation. Jesus, upon returning, will follow that final revelation—the Qur’an. This does not make Jesus superior to Muhammad; rather, it shows that Jesus himself will confirm the truth of Muhammad’s message.

No prophet is above God’s law. Prophet Muhammad lived by the Qur’an, and Jesus will judge by it. This reflects continuity in divine guidance, not a competition between prophets.

Therefore, the Islamic view maintains respect and clarity: each prophet serves his divinely appointed role, and Jesus’ future role will affirm—not override—what Prophet Muhammad brought.
lol you are still avoiding the subject of the matter by repeating your many words.

Let me repeat it, divinity is not in question, overriding is not in question.

The question is will Muhammad submit to the rule and judgement by Jesus, yes or no?

Are you afraid of what your answer may imply, don't be afraid of the truth and be honest.
Re: Muslims Failing To Answer; Will Muhammad Follow Jesus Or Not? by gohf(op): 11:58pm On May 18, 2025
AntiChristian:
Jesus will follow Muhammad.
lol the one who will judge will follow the one who is among the people. 😂 😂. Why not just make Muhammad the judge or appoint him to a higher position
Re: Muslims Failing To Answer; Will Muhammad Follow Jesus Or Not? by AntiChristian: 5:08am On May 19, 2025
gohf:
lol the one who will judge will follow the one who is among the people. 😂 😂. Why not just make Muhammad the judge or appoint him to a higher position
When Moses was alive he was the judge of his people. Same as Joshua and even Muhammad. The religious words of a Prophet is a law. In every rights they are the judge of their people.

Jesus will come to exercise this right on earth. He will descend as a Muslim to judge with Islam. He will live as the human he is and die after completing his mission. He will be buried by the Muslims.

Allah is the only Judge of us all on the day of resurrection! Even Jesus will be questioned on that day about his role in making people worship him and his mother and he will deny you all.

This denial is clearly stated by Allah in the Qur'an!
Re: Muslims Failing To Answer; Will Muhammad Follow Jesus Or Not? by gohf(op): 1:41pm On May 28, 2025
NairaLTQ:
Qur'an 9:31
They (Jews and Christians) have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah and the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.


Questions:
1. Knowing that the Qur'an is clear and simple to understand, is Allah associating the Messiah as partners with him?
2. Is this Quranic verse an error or mistake OR is it exactly what Allah intend to say?
3. Does Allah truly want us to make the Messiah LORD with him?

OR
Do we need to twist Arabic Grammar to make the verse consistent with what Allah says?



Quran 19:71
There is not one of you who will not go down to it (the Fire), that is a fixed Decree of your Lord

Meaning that ALL Muslims will at least first be in Hell Fire.

Quran 19:72
Then, We will save those who were cautious of Us, but the harmdoers shall be left there hobbling on their knees


After ALL you Muslims enter the Fire, THEN Allah will THEREAFTER remove the good Muslims and leave other people in the Fire

1. I am sure the first thing you will say is that, "the verse doesn't say that" . So, strictly from the Arabic , what does it say?
2. Why do you think you will first have to go into hell fire before you are freed by Allah?
3. How long do you think you will be in the fire before Allah comes to free you: 1000 years!?





I am not even making any arguments: I am presenting may case based on reasons.
What you seem to want to do is to give me your own views without answering for my reasons AND you want me to take it as the final testament.
I am not here to provoke you o!
You will note that anything I say, I justify it from your own books: Is my offence is selective cherry-picking!?
so antichristian your Quran calls the Messiah lord? But you can't call the Christ Lord but honor him lesser than Muhammad?

This is confusing, and you said Adam was forgiven from going to hell yet it says they will all go to hell?

Even creativeorbit said the Messiah lord will follow Muhammad??
Re: Muslims Failing To Answer; Will Muhammad Follow Jesus Or Not? by gohf(op): 1:49pm On May 28, 2025
AntiChristian:
When Moses was alive he was the judge of his people. Same as Joshua and even Muhammad. The religious words of a Prophet is a law. In every rights they are the judge of their people.

Jesus will come to exercise this right on earth. He will descend as a Muslim to judge with Islam. He will live as the human he is and die after completing his mission. He will be buried by the Muslims.

Allah is the only Judge of us all on the day of resurrection! Even Jesus will be questioned on that day about his role in making people worship him and his mother and he will deny you all.

This denial is clearly stated by Allah in the Qur'an!
so instead of answering my question you are
adding new insights t show us your believe.
It's interesting that you avoid answering a
simple logical question but looking at what you
just wrote,you are saying that the kingdom of
God that is coming as the Quran teaches where
Jesus would return as the Messiah,and God's
people will live and rule upon the earth. That
they all vill then die again?
Now is it not fuıny that you seem to have the
need to continually state that Jesus is human,
what is he before if not human.Obviously not a
ghost seeing as you all also claim believe he is
alive. Now did your Quran teach you that when
he returns again,he is going to die? Or is that
your personal interpretation from a text or your
personal view?
Lol you then said Jesus would be questioned on
his role and he would deny.Isn't that a logical
fallacy. Is judgement day a day vhere people
can deny false accusations?
Re: Muslims Failing To Answer; Will Muhammad Follow Jesus Or Not? by CreativeOrbit:
gohf:
so antichristian your Quran calls the Messiah lord? But you can't call the Christ Lord but honor him lesser than Muhammad?

This is confusing, and you said Adam was forgiven from going to hell yet it says they will all go to hell?

Even creativeorbit said the Messiah lord will follow Muhammad??
Your comment is a textbook example of confusion layered on arrogance, topped with a sloppy misunderstanding of theology—Islamic and Christian. Let’s untangle your mess point by point.

1. “So antiChristian, your Quran calls the Messiah Lord?” – No, you’re cherry-picking and still getting it wrong.

First, the Qur’an does not call Jesus “Lord” (Rabb) in the way Christians use it. Islam calls him Messiah (al-Masih), a prophet, the Word of God, born of a virgin, and highly honored—but not divine.

The Qur’an makes it crystal clear:

“Indeed, the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was no more than a messenger of Allah…” (Qur'an 4:171)

Islam doesn’t reduce Jesus’ status—it restores it to what he actually taught: submission to One God. That’s not dishonor. That’s truth stripped of pagan fusion and theological inflation.

So no—Muslims don’t call Jesus “Lord” because worship is due to God alone. You can’t accuse Muslims of disrespect for refusing to commit shirk (associating partners with God)—that’s like calling a surgeon anti-medicine for refusing to drink poison.

2. “You honor him lesser than Muhammad?” – That’s not a contradiction. That’s consistent theology.

Muhammad (ﷺ) is the final prophet, the seal of the messengers, sent with the universal message for all of mankind. Jesus (‘Isa), peace be upon him, was a mighty prophet, sent to the Children of Israel.

Islam doesn't rank prophets like a fanboy list. It honors them all, but acknowledges that some were given specific roles and statuses by divine decree (Qur’an 2:253).

If you’re angry that Muhammad has a higher status in Islam, that’s not a theological critique—it’s just ego dressed up as outrage. We don’t rewrite divine hierarchy to please your feelings.

3. “Adam was forgiven but it says they will all go to hell?” – Learn to read before you debate.

Adam was forgiven by Allah, full stop. Islam doesn't teach that he was condemned to hell. You’re confusing temporary consequences on Earth with eternal damnation, and once again showing you haven’t read the Qur’an—you’ve read bad summaries of it.

As for "they will all go to hell," you’re likely mangling Qur'an 19:71, which says:

“And there is none of you but will pass over it (hellfire); this is upon your Lord an inevitability decreed.”

But the next verse (19:72) clarifies:

“Then We will save those who feared Allah and leave the wrongdoers within it, on their knees.”

So passing over doesn't mean eternal damnation. It refers to a moment of judgment—a test that the righteous will pass, and the wicked will not. If you’re going to quote the Qur’an, quote both verses, or don’t quote at all.

4. “Even I said the Messiah Lord will follow Muhammad” – Exactly. That’s Islamic eschatology.

Yes, Jesus (peace be upon him) will return. And guess what? He won’t come with a new religion. He will return as a follower of Muhammad (ﷺ)—as part of the final revealed path, not as a separate savior figure.

This isn’t confusing—it’s coherent, consistent, and rooted in tawheed (oneness of God).

The real confusion is in trying to understand Islamic theology through a Christian lens, twisting verses, demanding contradictions, and then calling Islam “confusing” when it doesn’t mirror your broken framework.

Final word:

Your argument is riddled with poor comprehension, selective quoting, and bad logic. You’re not here for dialogue—you’re here to poke holes using cut-up verses and confused theology. But this isn’t Sunday school. If you want to attack Islam, come with facts, not this mangled mess of misinterpretation and emotional noise.

Until then, don’t confuse your misunderstanding with Islam’s clarity.

TenQ AntiChristian
Re: Muslims Failing To Answer; Will Muhammad Follow Jesus Or Not? by Kobojunkie: 4:38pm On May 28, 2025
CreativeOrbit:
In Islam, Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is regarded as the final Messenger and Seal of the Prophets (Qur’an 33:40). Jesus the Messiah (peace be upon him) is also highly revered as one of the greatest prophets, but not divine. According to authentic Islamic teachings, Jesus will return before the Day of Judgment to fulfill specific roles, including restoring justice and correcting misbeliefs about his nature.
However, it is not correct to suggest that Prophet Muhammad will "submit to the judgment of Jesus" in a way that implies superiority or hierarchy after death. Prophet Muhammad has completed his mission and passed away, having fulfilled the final revelation—the Qur'an—which is the standard of judgment for all people, including Jesus upon his return.

When Jesus returns, he will follow the Shariah (law) of Muhammad, not bring a new law. This is supported by Hadith, such as in Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, where the Prophet said Jesus will "break the cross, kill the swine, and abolish the jizya," and that he will rule by the Qur’an and Sunnah, not the Gospel.
So, in Islamic belief, Jesus (peace be upon him) will be a follower of the final Prophet, Muhammad (peace be upon him), upon his return—not the other way around.
Moses brought a Law which created the Kingdom of Israel. Jesus Christ of Israel came and brought another Law which set up what He called the Kingdom of God, a kingdom greater than all of the kingdoms of men. Yet, according to you, less than 500 years after that, Mohammad brought a Law for what purpose exactly? 🤔
Re: Muslims Failing To Answer; Will Muhammad Follow Jesus Or Not? by Kobojunkie:
CreativeOrbit:
➜Your comment is a textbook example of confusion layered on arrogance, topped with a sloppy misunderstanding of theology—Islamic and Christian. Let’s untangle your mess point by point.
1. “So antiChristian, your Quran calls the Messiah Lord?” – No, you’re cherry-picking and still getting it wrong.
First, the Qur’an does not call Jesus “Lord” (Rabb) in the way Christians use it. Islam calls him Messiah (al-Masih), a prophet, the Word of God, born of a virgin, and highly honored—but not divine.
✓ The Qur’an makes it crystal clear: “Indeed, the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was no more than a messenger of Allah…” (Qur'an 4:171) Islam doesn’t reduce Jesus’ status—it restores it to what he actually taught: submission to One God. That’s not dishonor. That’s truth stripped of pagan fusion and theological inflation. So no—Muslims don’t call Jesus “Lord” because worship is due to God alone. You can’t accuse Muslims of disrespect for refusing to commit shirk (associating partners with God)—that’s like calling a surgeon anti-medicine for refusing to drink poison.
Not where to hold brief, but the Israelite term Rabbi means teacher, not Lord, though. undecided

Jesus Christ of Israel was highly honored, you say. According to Scripture, Jesus Christ of Israel is the Messiah, Prophet, King of the Jews, is also the Eternal King of Israel, promised by the God of Israel to sit on the throne of Israel forever— the throne of David. If Islam does honor Jesus Christ of Israel as you claim, does it then make sense that an eternal King is expected in Islam to bow down to the claims of an ordinary man like Mohammad, a man not even worshipped by his own followers? undecided
Re: Muslims Failing To Answer; Will Muhammad Follow Jesus Or Not? by CreativeOrbit: 5:31pm On May 28, 2025
CreativeOrbit:
Your comment is a textbook example of confusion layered on arrogance, topped with a sloppy misunderstanding of theology—Islamic and Christian. Let’s untangle your mess point by point.

1. “So antiChristian, your Quran calls the Messiah Lord?” – No, you’re cherry-picking and still getting it wrong.

First, the Qur’an does not call Jesus “Lord” (Rabb) in the way Christians use it. Islam calls him Messiah (al-Masih), a prophet, the Word of God, born of a virgin, and highly honored—but not divine.

The Qur’an makes it crystal clear:

“Indeed, the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was no more than a messenger of Allah…” (Qur'an 4:171)

Islam doesn’t reduce Jesus’ status—it restores it to what he actually taught: submission to One God. That’s not dishonor. That’s truth stripped of pagan fusion and theological inflation.

So no—Muslims don’t call Jesus “Lord” because worship is due to God alone. You can’t accuse Muslims of disrespect for refusing to commit shirk (associating partners with God)—that’s like calling a surgeon anti-medicine for refusing to drink poison.

2. “You honor him lesser than Muhammad?” – That’s not a contradiction. That’s consistent theology.

Muhammad (ﷺ) is the final prophet, the seal of the messengers, sent with the universal message for all of mankind. Jesus (‘Isa), peace be upon him, was a mighty prophet, sent to the Children of Israel.

Islam doesn't rank prophets like a fanboy list. It honors them all, but acknowledges that some were given specific roles and statuses by divine decree (Qur’an 2:253).

If you’re angry that Muhammad has a higher status in Islam, that’s not a theological critique—it’s just ego dressed up as outrage. We don’t rewrite divine hierarchy to please your feelings.

3. “Adam was forgiven but it says they will all go to hell?” – Learn to read before you debate.

Adam was forgiven by Allah, full stop. Islam doesn't teach that he was condemned to hell. You’re confusing temporary consequences on Earth with eternal damnation, and once again showing you haven’t read the Qur’an—you’ve read bad summaries of it.

As for "they will all go to hell," you’re likely mangling Qur'an 19:71, which says:

“And there is none of you but will pass over it (hellfire); this is upon your Lord an inevitability decreed.”

But the next verse (19:72) clarifies:

“Then We will save those who feared Allah and leave the wrongdoers within it, on their knees.”

So passing over doesn't mean eternal damnation. It refers to a moment of judgment—a test that the righteous will pass, and the wicked will not. If you’re going to quote the Qur’an, quote both verses, or don’t quote at all.

4. “Even I said the Messiah Lord will follow Muhammad” – Exactly. That’s Islamic eschatology.

Yes, Jesus (peace be upon him) will return. And guess what? He won’t come with a new religion. He will return as a follower of Muhammad (ﷺ)—as part of the final revealed path, not as a separate savior figure.

This isn’t confusing—it’s coherent, consistent, and rooted in tawheed (oneness of God).

The real confusion is in trying to understand Islamic theology through a Christian lens, twisting verses, demanding contradictions, and then calling Islam “confusing” when it doesn’t mirror your broken framework.

Final word:

Your argument is riddled with poor comprehension, selective quoting, and bad logic. You’re not here for dialogue—you’re here to poke holes using cut-up verses and confused theology. But this isn’t Sunday school. If you want to attack Islam, come with facts, not this mangled mess of misinterpretation and emotional noise.

Until then, don’t confuse your misunderstanding with Islam’s clarity.

TenQ AntiChristian
Re: Muslims Failing To Answer; Will Muhammad Follow Jesus Or Not? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:55pm On May 28, 2025
CreativeOrbit:
Your comment is a textbook example of confusion layered on arrogance, topped with a sloppy misunderstanding of theology—Islamic and Christian. Let’s untangle your mess point by point.

1. “So antiChristian, your Quran calls the Messiah Lord?” – No, you’re cherry-picking and still getting it wrong.

First, the Qur’an does not call Jesus “Lord” (Rabb) in the way Christians use it. Islam calls him Messiah (al-Masih), a prophet, the Word of God, born of a virgin, and highly honored—but not divine.

The Qur’an makes it crystal clear:

“Indeed, the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was no more than a messenger of Allah…” (Qur'an 4:171)

Islam doesn’t reduce Jesus’ status—it restores it to what he actually taught: submission to One God. That’s not dishonor. That’s truth stripped of pagan fusion and theological inflation.

So no—Muslims don’t call Jesus “Lord” because worship is due to God alone. You can’t accuse Muslims of disrespect for refusing to commit shirk (associating partners with God)—that’s like calling a surgeon anti-medicine for refusing to drink poison.

2. “You honor him lesser than Muhammad?” – That’s not a contradiction. That’s consistent theology.

Muhammad (ﷺ) is the final prophet, the seal of the messengers, sent with the universal message for all of mankind. Jesus (‘Isa), peace be upon him, was a mighty prophet, sent to the Children of Israel.

Islam doesn't rank prophets like a fanboy list. It honors them all, but acknowledges that some were given specific roles and statuses by divine decree (Qur’an 2:253).

If you’re angry that Muhammad has a higher status in Islam, that’s not a theological critique—it’s just ego dressed up as outrage. We don’t rewrite divine hierarchy to please your feelings.

3. “Adam was forgiven but it says they will all go to hell?” – Learn to read before you debate.

Adam was forgiven by Allah, full stop. Islam doesn't teach that he was condemned to hell. You’re confusing temporary consequences on Earth with eternal damnation, and once again showing you haven’t read the Qur’an—you’ve read bad summaries of it.

As for "they will all go to hell," you’re likely mangling Qur'an 19:71, which says:

“And there is none of you but will pass over it (hellfire); this is upon your Lord an inevitability decreed.”

But the next verse (19:72) clarifies:

“Then We will save those who feared Allah and leave the wrongdoers within it, on their knees.”

So passing over doesn't mean eternal damnation. It refers to a moment of judgment—a test that the righteous will pass, and the wicked will not. If you’re going to quote the Qur’an, quote both verses, or don’t quote at all.

4. “Even creativeorbit said the Messiah Lord will follow Muhammad” – Exactly. That’s Islamic eschatology.

Yes, Jesus (peace be upon him) will return. And guess what? He won’t come with a new religion. He will return as a follower of Muhammad (ﷺ)—as part of the final revealed path, not as a separate savior figure.

This isn’t confusing—it’s coherent, consistent, and rooted in tawheed (oneness of God).

The real confusion is in trying to understand Islamic theology through a Christian lens, twisting verses, demanding contradictions, and then calling Islam “confusing” when it doesn’t mirror your broken framework.

Final word:

Your argument is riddled with poor comprehension, selective quoting, and bad logic. You’re not here for dialogue—you’re here to poke holes using cut-up verses and confused theology. But this isn’t Sunday school. If you want to attack Islam, come with facts, not this mangled mess of misinterpretation and emotional noise.

Until then, don’t confuse your misunderstanding with Islam’s clarity.

TenQ AntiChristian
Please can you expatiate further on the meaning of this world:

al-Masih (Messiah) huh
Re: Muslims Failing To Answer; Will Muhammad Follow Jesus Or Not? by gohf(op): 6:09pm On May 28, 2025
CreativeOrbit:
Your comment is a textbook example of confusion layered on arrogance, topped with a sloppy misunderstanding of theology—Islamic and Christian. Let’s untangle your mess point by point.

1. “So antiChristian, your Quran calls the Messiah Lord?” – No, you’re cherry-picking and still getting it wrong.

First, the Qur’an does not call Jesus “Lord” (Rabb) in the way Christians use it. Islam calls him Messiah (al-Masih), a prophet, the Word of God, born of a virgin, and highly honored—but not divine.
the devil is said to be an author of confusion and so are his children, it's probably as a result of arrogance which brings ignorance of the truth, the kind of pride that causes one to fall.

A mess is when one leaves the context of the verse quoted and "cherry picks" another which neither rebutes what was stated and yet claimed to be confusion. Where you not the one tenq told Jesus is called the word of God but you wrote instead of agreeing with what he wrote, stated and implied that well Jesus was just formed from God's word. I can get accustomed to your semantics. First you undermine, then you strawman then change the context of conversation into a different narrative that wasn't mentioned nor stated. Such is real example of confusion and messes reasoning and approach to any subject matter.

Did I tell you that Jesus is God or that the Messiah is divine? Can you not understand the simple basis of the text I quoted from your own scripture?

The Qur’an makes it crystal clear:

“Indeed, the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was no more than a messenger of Allah…” (Qur'an 4:171)
if you were intellectual honesty I wouldn't have had to check what that verse said and realized that you left out the part that says he is a fulfillment of God's word, because the question then becomes what word was Jesus coming to fulfill. But such an answer I will accept from one who is honest and clear about what is true.

Islam doesn’t reduce Jesus’ status—it restores it to what he actually taught: submission to One God. That’s not dishonor. That’s truth stripped of pagan fusion and theological inflation.
you ignored a text, you removed our of a text you quoted, what you are doing isn't that an example of what Islam does? Or should I take it has what you are doing, removing what you don't like and adding what befits you.


So no—Muslims don’t call Jesus “Lord” because worship is due to God alone. You can’t accuse Muslims of disrespect for refusing to commit shirk (associating partners with God)—that’s like calling a surgeon anti-medicine for refusing to drink poison.
forgive me for not accepting your response which is based on your personal misunderstanding.

2. “You honor him lesser than Muhammad?” – That’s not a contradiction. That’s consistent theology.
that is why the said theology is said to be inconsistent and doubtful, contradicting it's own words and phrases. Making a statement doesn't qualify for an explanation that was requested for.


One of the contradiction is that deviates and shows it illogical is your following statement
Muhammad (ﷺ) is the final prophet, the seal of the messengers, sent with the universal message for all of mankind. Jesus (‘Isa), peace be upon him, was a mighty prophet, sent to the Children of Israel.

Islam doesn't rank prophets like a fanboy list. It honors them all, but acknowledges that some were given specific roles and statuses by divine decree (Qur’an 2:253).
it's funny the Quran 2:253 you quoted states And these Messengers (who have been designated to guide people), We have exalted some of them above the others. Among them are such as were spoken to by Allah Himself, and some He exalted in other respects. And We granted Jesus, son of Mary, Clear Signs and supported him with the spirit of holiness.

Speaking of exaltation and Jesus given signs and supported by the Holy Spirit.

Look even usage of text is poor, nevertheless you claim you don't rank prophets yet you still claimed that Muhammad is higher. Another example of confusion. These are readable verifiable proofs unlike one accusing another of confusion with no proof. Yours is quite clear


If you’re angry that Muhammad has a higher status in Islam, that’s not a theological critique—it’s just ego dressed up as outrage. We don’t rewrite divine hierarchy to please your feelings.
here you are getting side tracked making another assumption and accusation towards how I possible feel, when I possible really don't care as probably should, because if I did I would read the Quran myself but reading your responses to simple questions and trying to verify it's accuracy shows inconsistency and dishonesty. But you can continue focusing on how you think I feel though.

3. “Adam was forgiven but it says they will all go to hell?” – Learn to read before you debate.

Adam was forgiven by Allah, full stop. Islam doesn't teach that he was condemned to hell. You’re confusing temporary consequences on Earth with eternal damnation, and once again showing you haven’t read the Qur’an—you’ve read bad summaries of it.

As for "they will all go to hell," you’re likely mangling Qur'an 19:71, which says:

“And there is none of you but will pass over it (hellfire); this is upon your Lord an inevitability decreed.”

But the next verse (19:72) clarifies:

“Then We will save those who feared Allah and leave the wrongdoers within it, on their knees.”

So passing over doesn't mean eternal damnation. It refers to a moment of judgment—a test that the righteous will pass, and the wicked will not. If you’re going to quote the Qur’an, quote both verses, or don’t quote at all.
unlike you I have been honest from the beginning stating clearly that I have little knowledge of the Quran and haven't read it, but you obviously didn't see it or you did and forgot because you are set in your own ways and right in your own eyes, so it doesn't matter. Whatever you right is true even if it's subjective it must be accepted if not, the person is a lazy illiterate, your words, which show how humble you are and the state of your mind to being questioned about things concerning your religion. Are you not proving that when Muslims are questioned they get offended and angry.

If you were not so touchy you would also know some bible believers think all will pass hell. It doesn't undermine the question that was based on what someone said. But you are too full of yourself to actually use what's on your shoulders.

4. “Even creativeorbit said the Messiah Lord will follow Muhammad” – Exactly. That’s Islamic eschatology.

Yes, Jesus (peace be upon him) will return. And guess what? He won’t come with a new religion. He will return as a follower of Muhammad (ﷺ)—as part of the finale revealed path, not as a separate savior figure.

This isn’t confusing—it’s coherent, consistent, and rooted in tawheed (oneness of God).

The real confusion is in trying to understand Islamic theology through a Christian lens, twisting verses, demanding contradictions, and then calling Islam “confusing” when it doesn’t mirror your broken framework.

Final word:

Your argument is riddled with poor comprehension, selective quoting, and bad logic. You’re not here for dialogue—you’re here to poke holes using cut-up verses and confused theology. But this isn’t Sunday school. If you want to attack Islam, come with facts, not this mangled mess of misinterpretation and emotional noise.

Until then, don’t confuse your misunderstanding with Islam’s clarity.

TenQ AntiChristian
is this one not confused, who said any about Jesus bringing in a new religion? So all this verbosity is to undermining your own verses that state the Messiah is Adoni, lord, as one anointed as king in God's kingdom.

Just look at yourself, okay show how I tried understand Islamic theology through a Christian lens?

You are good at making assumptions and accusations than you are at making any logical explanation to be frank.

Even if I poked holes and cut up verses, you failed to quoted the verses accurately nor use them. Instead went on a tirade of trying to ridicule a simple statement that provokes what you fear to be true
Re: Muslims Failing To Answer; Will Muhammad Follow Jesus Or Not? by gohf(op): 6:10pm On May 28, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Please can you expatiate further on the meaning of this world:

al-Masih (Messiah) huh
lol you expect him to explain clearly the truth 😂😆😂
Re: Muslims Failing To Answer; Will Muhammad Follow Jesus Or Not? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:15pm On May 28, 2025
gohf:
lol you expect him to explain clearly the truth 😂😆😂
I'm not interested in chatting with you it's the Muslim guy i want to know what he understands by the Arabic word:

"Al-Masih"

I don't want him to feel i'm on the same page with you so please let him respond after all i've told you:

"if you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses you and i aren't worshiping the same God"

That has not can not and will never change! smiley
Re: Muslims Failing To Answer; Will Muhammad Follow Jesus Or Not? by gohf(op): 6:34pm On May 28, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
I'm not interested in chatting with you it's the Muslim guy i want to know what he understands by the Arabic word:

"Al-Masih"

I don't want him to feel i'm on the same page with you so please let him respond after all i've told you:

"if you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses you and i aren't worshiping the same God"

That has not can not and will never change! smiley
lol and you think I am laughing with you 😂😂😂, you are still full of self and opinion of your self 🤣🤣🤣
Re: Muslims Failing To Answer; Will Muhammad Follow Jesus Or Not? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:38pm On May 28, 2025
gohf:
lol and you think I am laughing with you 😂😂😂, you are still full of self and opinion of your self 🤣🤣🤣
Better!
So you and i aren't on the same page.
Thanks for your understanding! smiley
Re: Muslims Failing To Answer; Will Muhammad Follow Jesus Or Not? by GothamCities:
CreativeOrbit:
Your comment is a textbook example of confusion layered on arrogance, topped with a sloppy misunderstanding of theology—Islamic and Christian. Let’s untangle your mess point by point.

1. “So antiChristian, your Quran calls the Messiah Lord?” – No, you’re cherry-picking and still getting it wrong.
I'm sure gohf will return to answer you but I need to address some issues I found with your so called Islamic theology.

By referencing your Quran which placed Allah and the Messiah as lords, gohf was not cherry picking. He was making a very valid point in tandem with the question he asked.

First, judging by your response, does the word 'lord' have a different meaning in Islam? And if the Quran blames the Christians and Jews for taking some others as lords instead of Allah and the Messiah, do you not see that the Quran indirectly juxtaposes Allah and the Messiah as the only acceptable lords? If the Messiah is as acceptable as a lord as much as Allah, then, who is Mohammed and why should the Messiah be his follower?

First, the Qur’an does not call Jesus “Lord” (Rabb) in the way Christians use it. Islam calls him Messiah (al-Masih), a prophet, the Word of God, born of a virgin, and highly honored—but not divine.

The Qur’an makes it crystal clear:

“Indeed, the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was no more than a messenger of Allah…” (Qur'an 4:171)

Islam doesn’t reduce Jesus’ status—it restores it to what he actually taught: submission to One God. That’s not dishonor. That’s truth stripped of pagan fusion and theological inflation.

So no—Muslims don’t call Jesus “Lord” because worship is due to God alone. You can’t accuse Muslims of disrespect for refusing to commit shirk (associating partners with God)—that’s like calling a surgeon anti-medicine for refusing to drink poison.
Can you see the obvious contradiction? The Quran, by putting Allah and the Messiah as the only lords that should have been acceptable for Christians and Jews to acknowledge, this your point is very watery and lacks substance. That's why I asked earlier, does the word 'lord' have a different meaning in Islam? And if it does, what type of lord is Allah, and what type of lord is the Messiah? However, is it not already obvious that the Quran by that statement recognizes only two lords - Allah and the Messiah? So then again, where is Mohammed, and why must the Messiah be his follower?

2. “You honor him lesser than Muhammad?” – That’s not a contradiction. That’s consistent theology.

Muhammad (ﷺ) is the final prophet, the seal of the messengers, sent with the universal message for all of mankind. Jesus (‘Isa), peace be upon him, was a mighty prophet, sent to the Children of Israel.

Islam doesn't rank prophets like a fanboy list. It honors them all, but acknowledges that some were given specific roles and statuses by divine decree (Qur’an 2:253).

If you’re angry that Muhammad has a higher status in Islam, that’s not a theological critique—it’s just ego dressed up as outrage. We don’t rewrite divine hierarchy to please your feelings.
That's a big contradiction and an obvious inconsistency. You cannot rank someone as lord and still say he's the follower of someone else who's nothing near a lord. Especially when that lord is the only one recognized in conjunction with Allah. Can you make this make sense?

3. “Adam was forgiven but it says they will all go to hell?” – Learn to read before you debate.

Adam was forgiven by Allah, full stop. Islam doesn't teach that he was condemned to hell. You’re confusing temporary consequences on Earth with eternal damnation, and once again showing you haven’t read the Qur’an—you’ve read bad summaries of it.

As for "they will all go to hell," you’re likely mangling Qur'an 19:71, which says:

“And there is none of you but will pass over it (hellfire); this is upon your Lord an inevitability decreed.”

But the next verse (19:72) clarifies:

“Then We will save those who feared Allah and leave the wrongdoers within it, on their knees.”

So passing over doesn't mean eternal damnation. It refers to a moment of judgment—a test that the righteous will pass, and the wicked will not. If you’re going to quote the Qur’an, quote both verses, or don’t quote at all.
Yeah, that's the very bone of contention. Why must anyone first go to hell in the first place? Allah does not know those who sinned and those who did righteously? He must first cast everyone to hell unjustly before he comes to save those he wants to save? Is it just for a judge to cast all to prison before they're even accused and tried? Is the fire of this earth palatable for even a one minute duration of burning, let alone the fire of hell? Can you actually stand being burnt in an oven for 1 minute? Allah did not even provide any duration of your stay in hell. You'll be there for as long as he wishes until he comes to save you? Can you make it make sense?

4. “Even creativeorbit said the Messiah Lord will follow Muhammad” – Exactly. That’s Islamic eschatology.

Yes, Jesus (peace be upon him) will return. And guess what? He won’t come with a new religion. He will return as a follower of Muhammad (ﷺ)—as part of the final revealed path, not as a separate savior figure.

This isn’t confusing—it’s coherent, consistent, and rooted in tawheed (oneness of God).

The real confusion is in trying to understand Islamic theology through a Christian lens, twisting verses, demanding contradictions, and then calling Islam “confusing” when it doesn’t mirror your broken framework.
No!

The real confusion is in making the only lord juxtaposed with Allah a follower of a mere prophet. Would Allah follow Mohammed too?

Final word:

Your argument is riddled with poor comprehension, selective quoting, and bad logic. You’re not here for dialogue—you’re here to poke holes using cut-up verses and confused theology. But this isn’t Sunday school. If you want to attack Islam, come with facts, not this mangled mess of misinterpretation and emotional noise.

Until then, don’t confuse your misunderstanding with Islam’s clarity.

TenQ AntiChristian
You actually created more confusion and even more illogical and contradictory lines of thought. The onus lies on you to make your positions make sense to a thinking human.

I find it even more amusing when you stated that Jesus is recognized in Islam as the Word of God but not Devine. You mean the Word of God is ordinary and equatable to any other mundane and earthly phenomenon? Is the Word if God mortal? Is it terrestrial? God is Devine and speaks divinity from heaven. His words are divine. They're not ordinary words. How can Jesus be ordinary if He's indeed the Word of God? Can you see another obvious contraction? You should throw away your Quran if the Word of God is not divine. Shakespeare's novels might hold better value than your Quran if it's not Devine. Or is the Quran not the word of God too? Hey, I'm not insulting your book! The point I'm making is that If Jesus is the Word of God, then, He's Devine and not ordinary. If Jesus the Word of God is not Devine, then, the Quran which you also call the word of God too is not Devine.
Re: Muslims Failing To Answer; Will Muhammad Follow Jesus Or Not? by AntiChristian: 6:02am On May 29, 2025
gohf:
so antichristian your Quran calls the Messiah lord? But you can't call the Christ Lord but honor him lesser than Muhammad?

This is confusing, and you said Adam was forgiven from going to hell yet it says they will all go to hell?

Even creativeorbit said the Messiah lord will follow Muhammad??
I'm not the same person as NairaLTQ in your conversations. I don't know of what importance it is if Allah calls Jesus lord in the Qur'an. It has a context. Even in your Bible, there are many other "Elohim" apart from Yahweh. And Yahweh did mentioned them too.

Since Yahweh called smaller gods Elohim why don't you also call them Elohim too?

That's why your thoughts has folly embedded in it.

Christ is one of the messengers of Allah. That some worship him as lord doesn't make him one. And once again, Muslims honour Christ but he wasn't sent to us. On judgement day, each Prophets will come with their nations.

Jesus will come with his and Muhammad will come with his. As well as others, some having more that others!

Where does it says Adam will go to hell? All believers will pass over it. And those who are sinful will be drawn into it for their sins as Allah wills.

Of course, Muhammad ran the last lap of prophethood so all other prophets will have to follow him.
Re: Muslims Failing To Answer; Will Muhammad Follow Jesus Or Not? by gohf(op): 8:38am On May 29, 2025
AntiChristian:
I'm not the same person as NairaLTQ in your conversations. I don't know of what importance it is if Allah calls Jesus lord in the Qur'an. It has a context. Even in your Bible, there are many other "Elohim" apart from Yahweh. And Yahweh did mentioned them too.

Since Yahweh called smaller gods Elohim why don't you also call them Elohim too?

That's why your thoughts has folly embedded in it.

Christ is one of the messengers of Allah. That some worship him as lord doesn't make him one. And once again, Muslims honour Christ but he wasn't sent to us. On judgement day, each Prophets will come with their nations.

Jesus will come with his and Muhammad will come with his. As well as others, some having more that others!

Where does it says Adam will go to hell? All believers will pass over it. And those who are sinful will be drawn into it for their sins as Allah wills.

Of course, Muhammad ran the last lap of prophethood so all other prophets will have to follow him.
there are a number of other things you don't know but I do appreciate the honesty in your stating that you don't know the importance of Allah calling Jesus Lord in the Quran. But despite agreeing and being aware of your ignorance, you still try to undermine and strawman your own Quran text.

There's a difference between recognizing that the Messiah is Lord and speaking of false gods that would die and be destroyed. You may pretend not to know the difference but since your thoughts are embedded with folly, you probably would.
Re: Muslims Failing To Answer; Will Muhammad Follow Jesus Or Not? by AntiChristian: 9:15am On May 29, 2025
gohf:
there are a number of other things you don't know but I do appreciate the honesty in your stating that you don't know the importance of Allah calling Jesus Lord in the Quran. But despite agreeing and being aware of your ignorance, you still try to undermine and strawman your own Quran text.

There's a difference between recognizing that the Messiah is Lord and speaking of false gods that would die and be destroyed. You may pretend not to know the difference but since your thoughts are embedded with folly, you probably would.
This is one of the reasons i seldom engage you and similarly unreasonable Christians like you!

How did Allah call Jesus Lord?

Allah says:
And (remember) when Allah will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Did you say unto men: 'Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allah?' " He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner­self though I do not know what is in Yours, truly, You, only You, are the All­Knower of all that is hidden and unseen. Al-Maidah 5:116.

Jesus will denies the claim entirely!

And the next verse goes thus:
"Never did I say to them aught except what You (Allah) did command me to say: 'Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.' And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them, and You are a Witness to all things. (This is a great admonition and warning to the Christians of the whole world). Al-Maidah 5:117.

Talking about Jesus the Messiah again, Allah mentions about Jesus:

"He ['Iesa (Jesus)] said: Verily! I am a slave of Allah, He has given me the Scripture and made me a Prophet;" Maryam 19:30

So i still don't get where your Holy Spirit Cherry picking is coming from!
Re: Muslims Failing To Answer; Will Muhammad Follow Jesus Or Not? by gohf(op): 8:25am On May 30, 2025
AntiChristian:
This is one of the reasons i seldom engage you and similarly unreasonable Christians like you!

How did Allah call Jesus Lord?

Allah says:
And (remember) when Allah will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Did you say unto men: 'Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allah?' " He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner­self though I do not know what is in Yours, truly, You, only You, are the All­Knower of all that is hidden and unseen. Al-Maidah 5:116.

Jesus will denies the claim entirely!

And the next verse goes thus:
"Never did I say to them aught except what You (Allah) did command me to say: 'Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.' And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them, and You are a Witness to all things. (This is a great admonition and warning to the Christians of the whole world). Al-Maidah 5:117.

Talking about Jesus the Messiah again, Allah mentions about Jesus:

"He ['Iesa (Jesus)] said: Verily! I am a slave of Allah, He has given me the Scripture and made me a Prophet;" Maryam 19:30

So i still don't get where your Holy Spirit Cherry picking is coming from!
lmao you seldomly engage me 😂, did you feel good making that statement.

Once again you can't keep track of the convo, was the question concerning if jesus should be worshipped or not?

One has to have a poor memory to respond seldomly to a person that repeatedly reminded them the subject of the convo isn't about whether jesus is divine or not. Either that or you are pretending. But you are clearly showing that you have no intention to engage in the subject but the undermine the very text quoted from your Quran.

You by yourself asked yourself a question, did Allah calling Jesus Lord but fail to answer it but instead quoted a place When Jesus humbles himself and calls himself a servant. But that's the kind of response you give so it's expected and true to who you are.
Re: Muslims Failing To Answer; Will Muhammad Follow Jesus Or Not? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:35am On May 30, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Please can you expatiate further on the meaning of this world:
al-Masih (Messiah) huh
It seems no Muslim knows the meaning of this word "Al-Masih"
Well it simply means:
"Divinely Chosen Savior" ~ English
"Christ" ~ Greek
"Messiah" ~ Hebrew

For the salvation of mankind Jesus is the one chosen by God!
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