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oridavid:
Many assume Satan was once an angel, but the Bible never explicitly states this. While popular tradition teaches that he is a fallen angel, Scripture only implies it indirectly—never with clear, direct language.

1. No Verse really Calls Satan an Angel
The Bible mentions angels thousands of times and Satan dozens of times, yet nowhere does it say, "Satan was an angel." Even in Revelation 12:7-9, where Satan leads rebellious angels, he is called a "dragon" and "devil"—not an angel.

2. Ezekiel 28’s "Cherub" is Symbolic
Ezekiel 28 describes a glorious "guardian cherub" who fell, but this is directed at the “human king” (v. 12). Linking it to Satan is traditional, not a direct biblical statement.

3. Isaiah 14’s "Morning Star" Refers to a King
Isaiah 14:12-15 speaks of a proud ruler (the king of Babylon) cast down—not Satan. The name "Lucifer" comes from Latin translation, not the original Hebrew.

4. Fallen Angels ≠ Satan
Jude 1:6 and 2 Peter 2:4 mention angels who sinned, but Satan is never included in those groups.
Conclusion: Tradition, Not Scripture
The belief that Satan was an angel comes from later theology, not the Bible itself. Scripture describes Satan as an adversary, tempter, and ruler of this world—but never as a fallen angel.
If we continue to believe Satan is an angel, the Bible simply doesn’t support it.

kppo:
➜Luke 10:18 KJV And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
The above verse talks about Satan falling from heaven where he was an angel.

Kobojunkie:
This conclusion of yours is according to?

kppo:
Luke 10:18 KJV And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.[b][/b]

The above verse talks about Satan falling from heaven where he was an angel.

kppo:
➜According to the bible that tells us that heaven is where angels are.

kppo:
According to the bible that tells us that heaven is where angels are.

Arda1000:
The question should be did is anything in the Bible real

MaxInDHouse:
Who are those God called the "Morning Stars" in the Bible book of Job 38:7?

oridavid:
Did they say Satan is one of those people in the book of Job? I think the context of what we see in the book of Job is that the morning stars gathered and Satan (not necessarily a morning Star) joined them.

oridavid:
Did they say Satan is one of those people in the book of Job? I think the context of what we see in the book of Job is that the morning stars gathered and Satan (not necessarily a morning Star) joined them.

MaxInDHouse:
Simple answer: YES!

Arda1000:
lolz yess with no evidence

MaxInDHouse:
Well Satan is one of the morning stars the word translated to Lucifer could also mean shinning morning star. Isaiah 14:12

Check the King James Version and other Versions to confirm.

Thanks!

Maximus692:
Evidence is everywhere but if you choose not to see it that's your cup of coffee!

oridavid:
I did, no it doesn't and the word translated as Lucifer were not actually "word" but a phrasal description of an individual. That individual was described as the son of the beginning indicating that Satan was a son of God so as Adam and Jesus so I don't know where you got this idea of Satan being an angel. Are you also saying Adam is an angel because the bible calls him son of God?

Arda1000:
show me,If they are everywhere that should be easy for u

MaxInDHouse:
Well this is what different translation say about Lucifer!

This is Isaiah 14:12

How you have fallen from heaven, O shining one, son of the dawn! How you have been cut down to the earth, You who vanquished nations! NWT (JW Bible)

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How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! NIV‬


How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! KJV

oridavid:
I hope you can see that non of these translation say Satan is an angel. The NIV calls him the morning star because of the bias that he's an angel but the JW and KJV don't hold such bias. To be precise, the bible calls him son of morning, in reference to Venus because Venus rises in the morning and falls in the evening. The proverb is more focused on Satan's fall from glory rather than the assumption that he's an angel.

But I do understand why you would say that though, I just wanted you to see that the Bible does not really hold such a sentiment.

oridavid:
Many assume Satan was once an angel, but the Bible never explicitly states this. While popular tradition teaches that he is a fallen angel, Scripture only implies it indirectly—never with clear, direct language.

1. No Verse really Calls Satan an Angel
The Bible mentions angels thousands of times and Satan dozens of times, yet nowhere does it say, "Satan was an angel." Even in Revelation 12:7-9, where Satan leads rebellious angels, he is called a "dragon" and "devil"—not an angel.

2. Ezekiel 28’s "Cherub" is Symbolic
Ezekiel 28 describes a glorious "guardian cherub" who fell, but this is directed at the “human king” (v. 12). Linking it to Satan is traditional, not a direct biblical statement.

3. Isaiah 14’s "Morning Star" Refers to a King
Isaiah 14:12-15 speaks of a proud ruler (the king of Babylon) cast down—not Satan. The name "Lucifer" comes from Latin translation, not the original Hebrew.

4. Fallen Angels ≠ Satan
Jude 1:6 and 2 Peter 2:4 mention angels who sinned, but Satan is never included in those groups.
Conclusion: Tradition, Not Scripture
The belief that Satan was an angel comes from later theology, not the Bible itself. Scripture describes Satan as an adversary, tempter, and ruler of this world—but never as a fallen angel.
If we continue to believe Satan is an angel, the Bible simply doesn’t support it.

gohf:
lol I literally have a thread asking people where it states that Satan was a choir leader and recently told one of them that the Bible never called Satan an angel

oridavid:
That's reasonable.

However, one of the reasons Satan could have fallen was because he was in a place meant for angel - that is, he wasn't an angel but went to a place meant for angels and that made it quite easy for him to be defeated.

Recall, Isaiah said Satan will ascend into heaven. It's a man that ascends into heaven. Just like Jesus, a man, ascended into heaven.

sonmvayina:
In other to find the meaning of a word in the Bible, the best thing to do is find out when it was first used.
Satan occured first In the story of Balaam. Here it is used as a human who stood as an obstacle. The second time is when it is used in the story of Job. In job, the sons of God came to prostrate themselves before God and Satan was with them. Meaning he is a son of God. In those passages, he came to take instructions from God. Meaning he needs God's permission to act. And by extension. He works for God. Satan is not mentioned again in the Tanakh till we get to the Christian scriptures by which time he has become evil with his own will outside the will of God and in opposition to God. I find this odd to say the least.
In my opinion. Satan is not a proper name of any being. I think it just means obstacle. Which could be anybody or anything.
End of the day "All power belongs to God". Whatever happens whether good or evil happens because it is the will of God.

Gabrielshow24:
Not necessarily so. If any being from heaven were to come down, they will surely ascend likewise. This can be seen in Jacob's dream.

Isaiah has two aspects of it, the immediate and the symbolic. The immediate referenced the king of Babylon while the symbolic,Satan.

Theologians arrived at this through inference. It's not stated directly as many other things in the bible aren't, but through inference it was arrived at.

oridavid:
Many assume Satan was once an angel, but the Bible never explicitly states this. While popular tradition teaches that he is a fallen angel, Scripture only implies it indirectly—never with clear, direct language.

1. No Verse really Calls Satan an Angel
The Bible mentions angels thousands of times and Satan dozens of times, yet nowhere does it say, "Satan was an angel." Even in Revelation 12:7-9, where Satan leads rebellious angels, he is called a "dragon" and "devil"—not an angel.

2. Ezekiel 28’s "Cherub" is Symbolic
Ezekiel 28 describes a glorious "guardian cherub" who fell, but this is directed at the “human king” (v. 12). Linking it to Satan is traditional, not a direct biblical statement.

3. Isaiah 14’s "Morning Star" Refers to a King
Isaiah 14:12-15 speaks of a proud ruler (the king of Babylon) cast down—not Satan. The name "Lucifer" comes from Latin translation, not the original Hebrew.

4. Fallen Angels ≠ Satan
Jude 1:6 and 2 Peter 2:4 mention angels who sinned, but Satan is never included in those groups.
Conclusion: Tradition, Not Scripture
The belief that Satan was an angel comes from later theology, not the Bible itself. Scripture describes Satan as an adversary, tempter, and ruler of this world—but never as a fallen angel.
If we continue to believe Satan is an angel, the Bible simply doesn’t support it.

Gabrielshow24:
The fact that things can be an obstacle doesn't mean the whole concept can't be anthropomorphized as a being, Satan.

We find something similar for ’Death’. It's part of the anthropomorphic flow of Scripture.