₦airaland Forum

Mrexcell:
No reasonable person will blame obi for running in 2023 there's no wisdom in becoming a vice for atiku another fulani man after buhari's disastrous eight whole years in office.

You have to choose which one you want more and which is more important

1. End of Tinubu/APC
2. Obi to become president now

Unfortunately Atiku has the best chance of beating Tinubu

raumdeuter:
Obi is the one preventing the defeat of Tinubu

Go and check what Soludo said during the 2022 year

raumdeuter:
Those 6million votes Obi got were votes that would normally have gone to Atiku like they did in 2019

If Obi didn't fragment PDP votes in 2023, it would have been almost impossible for Tinubu to win

how does your two comments now mean that obi is working for tinubu?

Atiku won the North by how much? How can you win by like 40% and Tinubu winning the North by 38%...I'm not saying this was the actual percentages but it was really close.

Even in the NE, Atiku couldn't win upto 60% when Obi was winning in SE over 90% and SS over 60%

raumdeuter:
Atiku won more number of votes that Tinubu in the NW and NE.

In 2019 Atiku contested against Buhari who is the demi god in the North

In 2023 Buhari no longer there. Atiku won the North and if Obi had supported Atiku, there won't be a Tinubu govt today

raumdeuter:
That is not true

If Atiku didn't run, Tinubu will clear the North
If Obi didn't run Atiku will clear the SE

Your truth isn't mine.
You think if PDP had zoned to the south or unanimously adopted a southern candidate of which Obi was a highly probable favourite, Obi wouldn't have performed better in the North in addition to his impressive performance down south, and win the election?

Abeg, keep your own truth to yourself .

lexy2014:
how does your two comments now mean that obi is working for tinubu?

Anyone increasing your chance of winning can as well be working for you

DMerciful:
Atiku won the North by how much? How can you win by like 40% and Tinubu winning the North by 38%...I'm not saying this was the actual percentages but it was really close.

Even in the NE, Atiku couldn't win upto 60% when Obi was winning in SE over 90% and SS over 60%

The bulk of the votes come from the North. 1 state in the North can produce 2 states total votes in the SE. E.g Kano Katsina Kaduna

If atiku has beaten Tinubu jn the North, he only needs a vice that can match Tinubus number in the South to win the election

You have to choose what is more important to you

Defeat Tinubu, or do stronghead I no go gree

uniquelyspecial:
Your truth isn't mine.
You think if PDP had zoned to the south or unanimously adopted a southern candidate of which Obi was a highly probable favourite, Obi wouldn't have performed better in the North in addition to his impressive performance down south, and win the election?

Abeg, keep your own truth to yourself .

If PDP had given Obi or any Southerner the ticket, Tinubu would have won easily

Cos APC will sweep the North

DMerciful:
Atiku won the North by how much? How can you win by like 40% and Tinubu winning the North by 38%...I'm not saying this was the actual percentages but it was really close.

Even in the NE, Atiku couldn't win upto 60% when Obi was winning in SE over 90% and SS over 60%

When Tinubu supported Buhari in 2015 and 2019, do you think he liked him?

He just pitched his tent with someone who can increase his chances of winning

Its after you win that you can make demands

If Tinubu had done I no go gree and PDP won in 2015 or 2019, he won't be president today

Obi won Plateau by almost a million votes. Obi won Abuja massive, Obi won Nassarawa.

Accept that Atiku's outing in the North was poor despite contesting in PDP with structures.

2027 has to be Obi as the presidential
candidate with someone else as the Vice presidential candidate of the coalition

raumdeuter:
The bulk of the votes come from the North. 1 state in the North can produce 2 states total votes in the SE. E.g Kano Katsina Kaduna

If atiku has beaten Tinubu jn the North, he only needs a vice that can match Tinubus number in the South to win the election

You have to choose what is more important to you

Defeat Tinubu, or do stronghead I no go gree

And what did Nigeria benefitted from the 2015 coalition?

raumdeuter:
When Tinubu supported Buhari in 2015 and 2019, do you think he liked him?

He just pitched his tent with someone who can increase his chances of winning

Its after you win that you can make demands

If Tinubu had done I no go gree and PDP won in 2015 or 2019, he won't be president today

raumdeuter:
If PDP had given Obi or any Southerner the ticket, Tinubu would have won easily

Cos APC will sweep the North

When you express your position about an uncertain event, do well to create a position for doubts.
You can't be typing as though you know the future, when you obviously do not.


Tell yourself whatever satisfies your conscience sha

Sowore the confuse man

DMerciful:
Obi won Plateau by almost a million votes. Obi won Abuja massive, Obi won Nassarawa.

Accept that Atiku's outing in the North was poor despite contesting in PDP with structures.

2027 has to be Obi as the presidential
candidate with someone else as the Vice presidential candidate of the coalition

Plateau Abuja and Nasarawa are middle belt states like Kogi Kwara and Benue

The anti APC votes were split between Obi and Atiku when they should have combined together

If Obi leads the ticket in 2027, Tinubu wins
If Obi decides to run as a parallel candidate Tinubu wins

Its much harder ro defeat Tinubu in 2027 than in 2023. The best way is to present a formidable ticket that is strong in North and in the South

Atiku/obi is the best option

DMerciful:
And what did Nigeria benefitted from the 2015 coalition?

Before you can benefit anyone you have to win first

You dont benefit people from a losing position

uniquelyspecial:
When you express your position about an uncertain event, do well to create a position for doubts.
You can't be typing as though you know the future, when you obviously do not.


Tell yourself whatever satisfies your conscience sha

Some things have a higher probability based on analysis of historical data

Ibos can't just accept the obvious fact that Obi is no match for Tinubu as far as a national election is concerned, so they will keep sending him to compete with a politician with better pedigree, only to go there and do nothing more than play a spoiler role for the main challenger (Atiku), and that's APC and Tinubu's biggest asset.
It hurts their ego, we know, but it is what it is, who pass you, pass you

If you win with the wrong crowd, Nigeria will be worse for it because in the process of winning with crooks, you make a lot of compromise thats against the Nigerian people.

We're saying we can still win and get the right president there.

raumdeuter:
Before you can benefit anyone you have to win first

You dont benefit people from a losing position

raumdeuter:
Obi made it possible for Tinubu to win in 2023

If Obi didn't run, Atiku would have won

Why did his vice go and join tpain

jmoore:
2019 never existed?

Obi got 6 million votes in 2023 despite people like you mocking his canopy rally, saying he won't get up to 1 million votes.

If Atiku didn't run in 2023, Obi would have won with a landslide.

Why you deh like deceive yourself? How many votes did Obi get from the core north in 2023? If Tinubu and Obi should face themselves today without Atiku in the game, Tinubu will flog Obi mercilessly especially through the northern votes. Obi's strength only lies in South East, Abuja, some parts of Lagos and some part of South South. He can't get substantial votes from the north and the southwest.

raumdeuter:
Those 6million votes Obi got were votes that would normally have gone to Atiku like they did in 2019

If Obi didn't fragment PDP votes in 2023, it would have been almost impossible for Tinubu to win

if you're not dumb, you would also have known that Obi would have won if Atiku didn't run

raumdeuter:
Obi is the one preventing the defeat of Tinubu

Go and check what Soludo said during the 2022 year

Soludo and Obi have never been on the same political page. Soludo must always antagonize Obi at any given instance.
I've been following your arguments closely and I beg to differ.
What stopped Atiku from stepping down and throwing all his weight behind Obi? Why must Obi be the one to step down for Atiku?

Atiku's greed brought us to this mess. He single handedly scattered and weakend PDP. He and Tinubu brought Buhari and used all manner of propaganda and half truths to vilify GEJ. Atiku's greed is legendary, leaving the already battered economy in the hands of someone like Atiku would be suicidal.

jmoore:
You want Jonathan to contest and you think you ain't delusional?

Jonathan has a better chance than Peter Obi based on my permutations. He's a one term president so no issues of if he will do a term or 2 terms.

Jonathan has many of tinubus men, supporters and loyalists in his pocket. Peter Obi is a political loner with just Obidents.

Jonathan has support of the many in the Obidents movement too.

Jonathan has the support of the North than Peter Obi.

Jonathan has the support of the south south and south east.

Only delusional and adamant people will see the truth and say they want to go through hard way odds are against him.

GEJ defeated Buhari in 2011 even when Buhari cleared NW and NE.

I'm not saying I'll not support AtikuObi but Obi-El-Rufai will perform just as well. If the Northern leaders in the coalition cannot mobilize the North to vote for Obi thats the most competent and has shown better precedence in managing public money, why should the south be the ones to convince their people to vote for Atiku when its the turn of the South?

raumdeuter:
Plateau Abuja and Nasarawa are middle belt states like Kogi Kwara and Benue

The anti APC votes were split between Obi and Atiku when they should have combined together

If Obi leads the ticket in 2027, Tinubu wins
If Obi decides to run as a parallel candidate Tinubu wins

Its much harder ro defeat Tinubu in 2027 than in 2023. The best way is to present a formidable ticket that is strong in North and in the South

Atiku/obi is the best option

DMerciful:
If you win with the wrong crowd, Nigeria will be worse for it because in the process of winning with crooks, you make a lot of compromise thats against the Nigerian people.

We're saying we can still win and get the right president there.

I guess you dont want Tinubu and APC out enough

If you do, you will support the person with the best chance of defeating him in a national elections

chariiks:
Why did his vice go and join tpain

Just the same reason Obi his vice left him

DMerciful:
GEJ defeated Buhari in 2011 even when Buhari cleared NW and NE.

I'm not saying I'll not support AtikuObi but Obi-El-Rufai will perform just as well. If the Northern leaders in the coalition cannot mobilize the North to vote for Obi thats the most competent and has shown better precedence in managing public money, why should the south be the ones to convince their people to vote for Atiku when its the turn of the South?

GEJ won in 2011 because Tinubu and the SW supported him

In 2015 when Tinubu withdrew his support, Jonathan lost

jaxxy:
Jonathan has a better chance than Peter Obi based on my permutations. He's a one term president so no issues of if he will do a term or 2 terms.

Jonathan has many of tinubus men, supporters and loyalists in his pocket. Peter Obi is a political loner with just Obidents.

Jonathan has support of the many in the Obidents movement too.

Jonathan has the support of the North than Peter Obi.

Jonathan has the support of the south south and south east.

Only delusional and adamant people will see the truth and say they want to go through hard way odds are against him.

Only delusional creatures keep deceiving themselves.

Had or has? Did Jonathan say he wants to be president again?

Babablu bulabu

Kingosytex:
Soludo and Obi have never been on the same political page. Soludo must always antagonize Obi at any given instance.
I've been following your arguments closely and I beg to differ.
What stopped Atiku from stepping down and throwing all his weight behind Obi? Why must Obi be the one to step down for Atiku?

Atiku's greed brought us to this mess. He single handedly scattered and weakend PDP. He and Tinubu brought Buhari and used all manner of propaganda and half truths to vilify GEJ. Atiku's greed is legendary, leaving the already battered economy in the hands of someone like Atiku would be suicidal.

At this point, Atiku has the best chance of stopping APC nationally just like Buhari had the best chance of stopping PDP nationally

It is now for you to determine which is more important getting APC out or having your preferred candidate win

raumdeuter:
Anyone increasing your chance of winning can as well be working for you

are you saying that every candidate in the last election was increasing the chances of their opponents and so therefore working for their opponents?

raumdeuter:
Some things have a higher probability based on analysis of historical data

No be only historical data, na time series data.