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gohf:
so are you equating the Holy Spirit mentioned in the bible to Tafsirs, Asbāb al-Nuzūl, Hadiths, and other islamic books?

Tafsirs, etc are human efforts and can be authentic or otherwise!

Your own holy spirit can enter Samson to kill.

So I don't see how relevant they are!

Despite the holy spirit there are many tafsirs (Exegesis) of the Bible too.

Examples includes the attached.

TenQ:
Nowhere have you seen me ridicule your religion. I have only poked at the implications of the words of Allah and his prophet Mohammad . Of course, you do not like being shown this truth, so younger angry.

Trust me, if I choose to ridicule Islam, Mohammed or Allah, I will do to your humiliation with the words of Allah and your prophet Mohammad alone.
BUT
My objective is not to make an enemy out of you. No! It is a necessary fact that it is impossible that BOTH Islam and Christianity lead to paradise.en, In have an advantage over you. I have committed myself to Islam before in search for the way to paradise before discovering that it is a journey into deception.



My Questions again:
1. When Jibril came to Mary as a perfect man, did he stop being an angel?
2. Is Jibril a man or an Angel?


You will not be able to answer the above simple questions!

How can you lie to even yourself?

Speak the truth and say what your intent is in your numerous posts like:

TenQ:
Like prophet like his slaves.

They both can tell lies eh!

The invisible chain of Mohammed can only be seen by him as it is made from the sweat of fish from zamzam water. Even me don tie 21 demons to poles of the mosque beside my house...only that only we the prophets can see them.

AntiChristian:
Tafsirs, etc are human efforts and can be authentic or otherwise!

Your own holy spirit can enter Samson to kill.

So I don't see how relevant they are!

Despite the holy spirit there are many tafsirs (Exegesis) of the Bible too.

Examples includes the attached.

if you don't see how relevant your tafsirs and hadiths are why even consider them

CreativeOrbit:
I don’t waste my time engaging with people who clearly lack the mental capacity to grasp even the simplest concepts. No matter how thoroughly or patiently you try to explain, it’s like talking to a brick wall—absolutely pointless. Some minds are just too far gone to reason with. I’m done. Goodbye.

the truth you are avoiding which is clearly beyond your reasoning, a obvious simple question that even a toddler will comprehend became a brick wall for you to run into and hopefully knock some sense into you, but instead of sense all you got was offense with the truth.

TenQ:
Adam and Eve being ONE is a compound Unity not Unitary or singular unity

yes I understand, just as you can use the word "same" for singular and plural purpose. He is the same person, they are both the same.

No Hebrew scholar gives echad the sole interpretation of being a compound unity because they use it severally to mean a singular unit.

honesttalk21:
How can you lie to even yourself?

Speak the truth and say what your intent is in your numerous posts like:

So, you went to dig up a non recent post written to a non-muslim LOL!
But was it a lie that Mohammed usually never have ANY evidence for the miraculous.
Abi!?
Al-Burak was seen only by Mohammed
Jibril was seen only by Mohammed
The Moon Splitting only by Mohammed
Journey to the farthest mosque only by Mohammed

If you can tell me a miracle that was witnessed by others with respect to Mohammed, I will recite the shahada.

Why do you always find it convenient to avoid questions?

My Questions again:
1. When Jibril came to Mary as a perfect man, did he stop being an angel?
2. Is Jibril a man or an Angel?


You will not be able to answer the above simple questions!

gohf:
if you don't see how relevant your tafsirs and hadiths are why even consider them

You switched off your thought process again! Are you not the one comparing Holy Spirits to Tafsirs and co?

May you be healed!

gohf:
yes I understand, just as you can use the word "same" for singular and plural purpose. He is the same person, they are both the same.

No Hebrew scholar gives echad the sole interpretation of being a compound unity because they use it severally to mean a singular unit.

I agree with you sir. Ehad unlike Ahad could be used either for singular one or compound one. Jewish Rabbi will theologically define Echad from wholeness or completeness point of view and not even from solitary oneness point of view.
Thank you!

TenQ:
So, you went to dig up a non recent post written to a non-muslim LOL!
But was it a lie that Mohammed usually never have ANY evidence for the miraculous.
Abi!?
Al-Burak was seen only by Mohammed
Jibril was seen only by Mohammed
The Moon Splitting only by Mohammed
Journey to the farthest mosque only by Mohammed

If you can tell me a miracle that was witnessed by others with respect to Mohammed, I will recite the shahada.

Why do you always find it convenient to avoid questions?

My Questions again:
1. When Jibril came to Mary as a perfect man, did he stop being an angel?
2. Is Jibril a man or an Angel?


You will not be able to answer the above simple questions!

This is just one of so many. The questions you should have asked are can Jinn assume tangible physical forms?
How powerful is prophet Muhammad pbuh.

Nevertheless can you prove your intent in this post is not ridicule?

gohf:
the truth you are avoiding which is clearly beyond your reasoning, a obvious simple question that even a toddler will comprehend became a brick wall for you to run into and hopefully knock some sense into you, but instead of sense all you got was offense with the truth.

You keep screaming ‘truth’ like it’s some sacred weapon, but all you’re doing is spitting out overinflated trash wrapped in arrogance.

Your ‘simple question’ is only impressive to you because you clearly lack the capacity for anything deeper. A toddler might understand it—because it’s infantile, just like your logic.

You mistake my refusal to entertain your nonsense as confusion, when in reality, it’s pity. You're not insightful—you’re insufferable.

You’re not provoking thought—you’re begging for attention in the loudest, most embarrassing way possible.

You didn’t offend me—you exposed yourself as a clown swinging wildly in a conversation that left you behind long ago.

@Tenq @gohf

Your title 'Man Comfortably Represent Satan by Lying" acts as a satirical jab at certain Islamic beliefs and figures, using mockery and distortion to get its point across. When it says "comfortably represent Satan," it's making an exaggerated claim meant to belittle people while also casting a negative light on common Islamic symbols like beards and turbans.

Moreover, the sweeping generalizations about religious individuals create a caricature that suggests they have an inherent tendency toward dishonesty. The laughter and scorn found in the comments only serve to heighten this mockery, showing a lack of genuine critique. This method reinforces a narrative of disrespect instead of fostering constructive dialogue, ultimately hindering the chance for meaningful discussions on the topic.

cc @Seun

honesttalk21:
This is just one of so many. The questions you should have asked are can Jinn assume tangible physical forms?
How powerful is prophet Muhammad pbuh.

Can Jinn assume tangible physical forms?
The answer is an EMPHATIC No!
If you think they can, give me EVIDENCE!

The question is supposed to be if they are TRUTHS or LIES to defame Islam, Mohammed and Allah.

This was why I said: ,
"But was it a lie that Mohammed usually never have ANY evidence for the miraculous.
Abi!?
Al-Burak was seen only by Mohammed
Jibril was seen only by Mohammed
The Moon Splitting only by Mohammed
Journey to the farthest mosque only by Mohammed

If you can tell me a miracle that was witnessed by others with respect to Mohammed, I will recite the shahada."

honesttalk21:
Nevertheless can you prove your intent in this post is not ridicule?

You want to know my intention!?
I will tell you.

1. Early on, I have observed that it is IMPOSSIBLE that BOTH the Quran and the Bible lead to the same paradise.
Why?
a. Salvation in the Bible is based on the atonement of the Blood of Jesus Christ for those who would believe in Him. Islam vehemently rejects that Jesus was crucified. Islam rejects that Jesus Died. Islam rejects that Jesus is Salvation given as a gift to mankind. Islam bases salvation on being a good Muslim that follow Mohammed and Allah.
This is even a historical event that both Jewish historians, Roman Historians and Christian sources have detailed in their books.

The Question for you is :
i. DId Jesus die on the Cross?
ii. If he did not die, what happened to Jesus and who was crucified?
iii. In whose presence was Jesus taken to heaven because the disciples say it was in their presence?
iv. Why did the Almighty Allah deceive Mary, the Apostles of Jesus and His disciples with the Jews and Romans?

b. Allah gave a reliable way to OBJECTIVELY test and verify that the Quran was from no other than himself
Quran 4:82
Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found therein Much discrepancy.

Just a little test, what do we find? Several DISCREPANCIES, SEVERAL ERRORS, SEVERAL CONTRADICTIONS
Just a few examples:
a. Allah thinks that the sun set in some dark murky waters
Quran 18:86
Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness.

Is this TRUE or FALSE?
b. Allah thinks that the sperm become a baby
Quran 23:13-14
Then We placed him as a sperm-drop in a firm lodging.
Then We made the sperm-drop into a clinging clot, and We made the clot into a lump [of flesh], and We made [from] the lump, bones, and We covered the bones with flesh; then We developed him into another creation. So blessed is Allah, the best of creators.

Is this TRUE or FALSE?

c. Allah thinks the Samaritans existed at the time of moses: He seem not to know that the Samaritans existed several centuries after ONLY after the kingdom of Israel broke into two kingdoms after king Solomon.

Quran 20:95-96
Moses then asked, “What did you think you were doing, O Samaritan?”
He said, “I saw what they did not see, so I took a handful ˹of dust˺ from the hoof-prints of ˹the horse of˺ the messenger-angel ˹Gabriel˺ then cast it ˹on the moulded calf˺. This is what my lower-self tempted me into.”

2. Allah gave some moral laws which seems inconsistent with YHWH the God of the Jews and Christians.
a. Allah allows prostitution for Muslim men
Is it UNTRUE that prostitution (Mut’ah -temporary marriage) is permitted in the Quran? (Before Umar finally abrogated it)
Quran 4:24
[Forbidden to you] are married women, except what your right hand possesses. This Allah has written for you, and all other women besides these are permitted to you, so that you may seek them out with your wealth, seeking chastity and not fornication. So, when you have contracted temporary marriage [istimt’atum] with them, then give them their wages. There is no sin on you for whatever you agree to after this. Indeed, Allah is knowing, wise.

The verse above addresses four issues
i. Muslims are prohibited from having sex with Married women.
ii. The exception to this rule is if the married women were captured forcefully during war
iii. The next category lawful for sex are those women that Muslim men use their wealth (money or possession) to acquire (by paying for the sexual services)
iv. For the hired women, Allah commands the men to PAY the agreed amount for the sexual favours. It is not a sin when they do this.

Quran 24:33
And let those who do not have the means to marry keep themselves chaste until Allah enriches them out of his bounty. And if any of those slaves in your possession desires a deed of emancipation, make it possible for them, if you find goodness in them. And give them some of Allah’s wealth which he has granted you. Do not force your slave girls into prostitution for your own worldly gains if they want to be chaste. And if someone forces them, then after such coercion Allah is certainly All-forgiving , most merciful.

The verse above addresses four issues
i. A Muslim man who cannot afford marriage (temporary or permanent) is required to keep himself chaste until he is blessed by Allah to afford it.
ii. If a slave needs freedom, Muslim men should not make it difficult especially if they are good slaves. A Muslim is actually required to help them out financially to start a new life
iii. Muslims men should NOT force their slaves who desire to be chaste into prostitution as a means of getting wealth. This supposes that only if the slaves do not object to prostitution should a Muslim use them as prostitutes.

Tafsir Ibn Katheer Quran 4:24
“There is no doubt that in the start Mutah was Halal”

Tafsir Al-Qurtubi Quran 4:24
The majority said that it refers to Nika al-Mutah which existed during the beginning of Islam.

Is this TRUE or FALSE?








These are just a tiny fraction as a problem: However,
1. By Default, Muslims believe Mohammed without question
2. By default, Muslims reject the earlier revealed Scriptures (as corrupt) by which they would have tested if Mohammed was representing the TRUE God.



My OBJECTIVE is the Make Muslims who LOVE the TRUTH to look at the Quran, the hadiths, Mohammed and Allah and ASK themselves Question based on the available FACTS: Is this certainly the WAY to paradise OR I have been deceived by the best of the Deceivers?

post=135551471:
@Tenq @gohf

Your title 'Man Comfortably Represent Satan by Lying" acts as a satirical jab at certain Islamic beliefs and figures, using mockery and distortion to get its point across. When it says "comfortably represent Satan," it's making an exaggerated claim meant to belittle people while also casting a negative light on common Islamic symbols like beards and turbans.

Moreover, the sweeping generalizations about religious individuals create a caricature that suggests they have an inherent tendency toward dishonesty. The laughter and scorn found in the comments only serve to heighten this mockery, showing a lack of genuine critique. This method reinforces a narrative of disrespect instead of fostering constructive dialogue, ultimately hindering the chance for meaningful discussions on the topic.

A man mesmerised his gullible fellow arabs that a Demon (Afrit) came to the mosque to disturb his prayers AND he would have tied the demon to one of the poles of the mosque for all Muslims to see, except that everything was AUDIO.

As you know, Muslims do not ask Questions. They swallow every lie hook, line and sinker

The Question is:
Are Demons Physical Beings?
What kind of ropes can be used to tie up demons to a tree?


Sahih al-Bukhari 461
Narrated Abu Huraira:
"The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Last night a big demon (afreet) from the Jinns came to me and wanted to interrupt my prayers (or said something similar) but Allah enabled me to overpower him. I wanted to fasten him to one of the pillars of the mosque so that all of you could See him in the morning but I remembered the statement of my brother Solomon (as stated in Quran): My Lord! Forgive me and bestow on me a kingdom such as shall not belong to anybody after me (38.35)." The sub narrator Rauh said, "He (the demon) was dismissed humiliated."

All Mohammed's miracles do not have any evidence. only he is the evidence

Since you brought up the TOPIC again, you may wish to answer the following questions supported with ANY hadith (sahih or daif) the answers to the questions
Mr honesttalk21,
1. Tell me, which of the followers of prophet Mohammed saw the afreet?
2. What did prophet Mohammed use to tie up the afreet?
3. Who finally untied the afreet or was it killed?
4. Can you describe a little how the afreet look like?

TenQ:
A man mesmerised his gullible fellow arabs that a Demon (Afrit) came to the mosque to disturb his prayers AND he would have tied the demon to one of the poles of the mosque for all Muslims to see, except that everything was AUDIO.

As you know, Muslims do not ask Questions. They swallow every lie hook, line and sinker

The Question is:
Are Demons Physical Beings?
What kind of ropes can be used to tie up demons to a tree?


Sahih al-Bukhari 461
Narrated Abu Huraira:
"The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Last night a big demon (afreet) from the Jinns came to me and wanted to interrupt my prayers (or said something similar) but Allah enabled me to overpower him. I wanted to fasten him to one of the pillars of the mosque so that all of you could See him in the morning but I remembered the statement of my brother Solomon (as stated in Quran): My Lord! Forgive me and bestow on me a kingdom such as shall not belong to anybody after me (38.35)." The sub narrator Rauh said, "He (the demon) was dismissed humiliated."

All Mohammed's miracles do not have any evidence. only he is the evidence

Since you brought up the TOPIC again, you may wish to answer the following questions supported with ANY hadith (sahih or daif) the answers to the questions
Mr honesttalk21,
1. Tell me, which of the followers of prophet Mohammed saw the afreet?
2. What did prophet Mohammed use to tie up the afreet?
3. Who finally untied the afreet or was it killed?
4. Can you describe a little how the afreet look like?

You tend to ascerting Muslims are in blind belief?

These questions were asked by past and present Muslims, do you feel the older generation of Arabians wouldn't have asked. We have intellect and use it.


Very well and correctly stated in your Bible by Jesus in your Bible an ungodly people ask for a miracle.
How many miracles were you shown yet the unbelievers rather increase in disbelief.

Your following questions show gross disbelief and tend to labelling prophet Muhammad pbuh, the trustworthy one as a liar? You better check yourself.

honesttalk21:
You tend to ascerting Muslims are in blind belief?

These questions were asked by past and present Muslims, do you feel the older generation of Arabians wouldn't have asked. We have intellect and use it.


Very well and correctly stated in your Bible by Jesus in your Bible an ungodly people ask for a miracle.
How many miracles were you shown yet the unbelievers rather increase in disbelief.

Your following questions show gross disbelief and tend to labelling prophet Muhammad pbuh, the trustworthy one as a liar? You better check yourself.

You were the one who brought this out, so I ask as a non-muslim who usually asks questions. You said that the older generation of Arabians would have asked these questions AND you Muslims have intellect and use it. So, you must have responses to my questions

Mr honesttalk21,
1. Tell me, which of the followers of prophet Mohammed saw the afreet?
2. What did prophet Mohammed use to tie up the afreet?
3. Who finally untied the afreet or was it killed?
4. Can you describe a little how the afreet look like?


Note:
I am not a Muslim thus, I need reasons to believe in Islam, Mohammed, Allah and your Scholars.

TenQ:
You were the one who brought this out, so I ask as a non-muslim who usually asks questions. You said that the older generation of Arabians would have asked these questions AND you Muslims have intellect and use it. So, you must have responses to my questions

Mr honesttalk21,
1. Tell me, which of the followers of prophet Mohammed saw the afreet?
2. What did prophet Mohammed use to tie up the afreet?
3. Who finally untied the afreet or was it killed?
4. Can you describe a little how the afreet look like?


Note:
I am not a Muslim thus, I need reasons to believe in Islam, Mohammed, Allah and your Scholars.

Didn't you get satisfactory answers when you posted this before? Your own research hasn't told you?

You don't know they responded like you?


"And if they were to see a fragment from the sky falling down, they would say, 'It is just clouds heaped up.'"
(Surah al-Ṭūr 52:44)

Fortunately you will eventually certainly know.

“It is not the eyes that are blind, but the hearts within the chests,” be reminded that true understanding goes far beyond just what you see. Your struggle to grasp a message isn’t because it’s unclear; rather, it’s about your willingness—or lack thereof—to truly open your heart to deeper meaning.

honesttalk21:
Didn't you get satisfactory answers when you posted this before? Your own research hasn't told you?

You don't know they responded like you?


"And if they were to see a fragment from the sky falling down, they would say, 'It is just clouds heaped up.'"
(Surah al-Ṭūr 52:44)

Fortunately you will eventually certainly know.

“It is not the eyes that are blind, but the hearts within the chests,” be reminded that true understanding goes far beyond just what you see. Your struggle to grasp a message isn’t because it’s unclear; rather, it’s about your willingness—or lack thereof—to truly open your heart to deeper meaning.

Why is it that Muslims would never answer questions that they think betray their knowledge of Islam



Mr honesttalk21,
1. Tell me, which of the followers of prophet Mohammed saw the afreet?
2. What did prophet Mohammed use to tie up the afreet?
3. Who finally untied the afreet or was it killed?
4. Can you describe a little how the afreet look like?


Note:
I am not a Muslim thus, I need reasons to believe in Islam, Mohammed, Allah and your Scholars.

honesttalk21:
This is just one of so many. The questions you should have asked are can Jinn assume tangible physical forms?
How powerful is prophet Muhammad pbuh.

Can Jinn assume tangible physical forms?
The answer is an EMPHATIC No!
If you think they can, give me EVIDENCE!

The question is supposed to be if they are TRUTHS or LIES to defame Islam, Mohammed and Allah.

This was why I said: ,
"But was it a lie that Mohammed usually never have ANY evidence for the miraculous.
Abi!?
Al-Burak was seen only by Mohammed
Jibril was seen only by Mohammed
The Moon Splitting only by Mohammed
Journey to the farthest mosque only by Mohammed

If you can tell me a miracle that was witnessed by others with respect to Mohammed, I will recite the shahada."

honesttalk21:
Nevertheless can you prove your intent in this post is not ridicule?

You want to know my intention!?
I will tell you.

1. Early on, I have observed that it is IMPOSSIBLE that BOTH the Quran and the Bible lead to the same paradise.
Why?
a. Salvation in the Bible is based on the atonement of the Blood of Jesus Christ for those who would believe in Him. Islam vehemently rejects that Jesus was crucified. Islam rejects that Jesus Died. Islam rejects that Jesus is Salvation given as a gift to mankind. Islam bases salvation on being a good Muslim that follow Mohammed and Allah.
This is even a historical event that both Jewish historians, Roman Historians and Christian sources have detailed in their books.

The Question for you is :
i. DId Jesus die on the Cross?
ii. If he did not die, what happened to Jesus and who was crucified?
iii. In whose presence was Jesus taken to heaven because the disciples say it was in their presence?
iv. Why did the Almighty Allah deceive Mary, the Apostles of Jesus and His disciples with the Jews and Romans?

b. Allah gave a reliable way to OBJECTIVELY test and verify that the Quran was from no other than himself
Quran 4:82
Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found therein Much discrepancy.

Just a little test, what do we find? Several DISCREPANCIES, SEVERAL ERRORS, SEVERAL CONTRADICTIONS
Just a few examples:
a. Allah thinks that the sun set in some dark murky waters
Quran 18:86
Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness.

Is this TRUE or FALSE?
b. Allah thinks that the sperm become a baby
Quran 23:13-14
Then We placed him as a sperm-drop in a firm lodging.
Then We made the sperm-drop into a clinging clot, and We made the clot into a lump [of flesh], and We made [from] the lump, bones, and We covered the bones with flesh; then We developed him into another creation. So blessed is Allah, the best of creators.

Is this TRUE or FALSE?

c. Allah thinks the Samaritans existed at the time of moses: He seem not to know that the Samaritans existed several centuries after ONLY after the kingdom of Israel broke into two kingdoms after king Solomon.

Quran 20:95-96
Moses then asked, “What did you think you were doing, O Samaritan?”
He said, “I saw what they did not see, so I took a handful ˹of dust˺ from the hoof-prints of ˹the horse of˺ the messenger-angel ˹Gabriel˺ then cast it ˹on the moulded calf˺. This is what my lower-self tempted me into.”

2. Allah gave some moral laws which seems inconsistent with YHWH the God of the Jews and Christians.
a. Allah allows prostitution for Muslim men
Is it UNTRUE that prostitution (Mut’ah -temporary marriage) is permitted in the Quran? (Before Umar finally abrogated it)
Quran 4:24
[Forbidden to you] are married women, except what your right hand possesses. This Allah has written for you, and all other women besides these are permitted to you, so that you may seek them out with your wealth, seeking chastity and not fornication. So, when you have contracted temporary marriage [istimt’atum] with them, then give them their wages. There is no sin on you for whatever you agree to after this. Indeed, Allah is knowing, wise.

The verse above addresses four issues
i. Muslims are prohibited from having sex with Married women.
ii. The exception to this rule is if the married women were captured forcefully during war
iii. The next category lawful for sex are those women that Muslim men use their wealth (money or possession) to acquire (by paying for the sexual services)
iv. For the hired women, Allah commands the men to PAY the agreed amount for the sexual favours. It is not a sin when they do this.

Quran 24:33
And let those who do not have the means to marry keep themselves chaste until Allah enriches them out of his bounty. And if any of those slaves in your possession desires a deed of emancipation, make it possible for them, if you find goodness in them. And give them some of Allah’s wealth which he has granted you. Do not force your slave girls into prostitution for your own worldly gains if they want to be chaste. And if someone forces them, then after such coercion Allah is certainly All-forgiving , most merciful.

The verse above addresses four issues
i. A Muslim man who cannot afford marriage (temporary or permanent) is required to keep himself chaste until he is blessed by Allah to afford it.
ii. If a slave needs freedom, Muslim men should not make it difficult especially if they are good slaves. A Muslim is actually required to help them out financially to start a new life
iii. Muslims men should NOT force their slaves who desire to be chaste into prostitution as a means of getting wealth. This supposes that only if the slaves do not object to prostitution should a Muslim use them as prostitutes.

Tafsir Ibn Katheer Quran 4:24
“There is no doubt that in the start Mutah was Halal”

Tafsir Al-Qurtubi Quran 4:24
The majority said that it refers to Nika al-Mutah which existed during the beginning of Islam.

Is this TRUE or FALSE?








These are just a tiny fraction as a problem: However,
1. By Default, Muslims believe Mohammed without question
2. By default, Muslims reject the earlier revealed Scriptures (as corrupt) by which they would have tested if Mohammed was representing the TRUE God.



My OBJECTIVE is the Make Muslims who LOVE the TRUTH to look at the Quran, the hadiths, Mohammed and Allah and ASK themselves Question based on the available FACTS: Is this certainly the WAY to paradise OR I have been deceived by the best of the Deceivers?

TenQ:
Can Jinn assume tangible physical forms?
The answer is an EMPHATIC No!
If you think they can, give me EVIDENCE!

The question is supposed to be if they are TRUTHS or LIES to defame Islam, Mohammed and Allah.

This was why I said: ,
"But was it a lie that Mohammed usually never have ANY evidence for the miraculous.
Abi!?
Al-Burak was seen only by Mohammed
Jibril was seen only by Mohammed
The Moon Splitting only by Mohammed
Journey to the farthest mosque only by Mohammed

If you can tell me a miracle that was witnessed by others with respect to Mohammed, I will recite the shahada."



You want to know my intention!?
I will tell you.

1. Early on, I have observed that it is IMPOSSIBLE that BOTH the Quran and the Bible lead to the same paradise.
Why?
a. Salvation in the Bible is based on the atonement of the Blood of Jesus Christ for those who would believe in Him. Islam vehemently rejects that Jesus was crucified. Islam rejects that Jesus Died. Islam rejects that Jesus is Salvation given as a gift to mankind. Islam bases salvation on being a good Muslim that follow Mohammed and Allah.
This is even a historical event that both Jewish historians, Roman Historians and Christian sources have detailed in their books.

The Question for you is :
i. DId Jesus die on the Cross?
ii. If he did not die, what happened to Jesus and who was crucified?
iii. In whose presence was Jesus taken to heaven because the disciples say it was in their presence?
iv. Why did the Almighty Allah deceive Mary, the Apostles of Jesus and His disciples with the Jews and Romans?

b. Allah gave a reliable way to OBJECTIVELY test and verify that the Quran was from no other than himself
Quran 4:82
Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found therein Much discrepancy.

Just a little test, what do we find? Several DISCREPANCIES, SEVERAL ERRORS, SEVERAL CONTRADICTIONS
Just a few examples:
a. Allah thinks that the sun set in some dark murky waters
Quran 18:86
Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness.

Is this TRUE or FALSE?
b. Allah thinks that the sperm become a baby
Quran 23:13-14
Then We placed him as a sperm-drop in a firm lodging.
Then We made the sperm-drop into a clinging clot, and We made the clot into a lump [of flesh], and We made [from] the lump, bones, and We covered the bones with flesh; then We developed him into another creation. So blessed is Allah, the best of creators.

Is this TRUE or FALSE?

c. Allah thinks the Samaritans existed at the time of moses: He seem not to know that the Samaritans existed several centuries after ONLY after the kingdom of Israel broke into two kingdoms after king Solomon.

Quran 20:95-96
Moses then asked, “What did you think you were doing, O Samaritan?”
He said, “I saw what they did not see, so I took a handful ˹of dust˺ from the hoof-prints of ˹the horse of˺ the messenger-angel ˹Gabriel˺ then cast it ˹on the moulded calf˺. This is what my lower-self tempted me into.”

2. Allah gave some moral laws which seems inconsistent with YHWH the God of the Jews and Christians.
a. Allah allows prostitution for Muslim men
Is it UNTRUE that prostitution (Mut’ah -temporary marriage) is permitted in the Quran? (Before Umar finally abrogated it)
Quran 4:24
[Forbidden to you] are married women, except what your right hand possesses. This Allah has written for you, and all other women besides these are permitted to you, so that you may seek them out with your wealth, seeking chastity and not fornication. So, when you have contracted temporary marriage [istimt’atum] with them, then give them their wages. There is no sin on you for whatever you agree to after this. Indeed, Allah is knowing, wise.

The verse above addresses four issues
i. Muslims are prohibited from having sex with Married women.
ii. The exception to this rule is if the married women were captured forcefully during war
iii. The next category lawful for sex are those women that Muslim men use their wealth (money or possession) to acquire (by paying for the sexual services)
iv. For the hired women, Allah commands the men to PAY the agreed amount for the sexual favours. It is not a sin when they do this.

Quran 24:33
And let those who do not have the means to marry keep themselves chaste until Allah enriches them out of his bounty. And if any of those slaves in your possession desires a deed of emancipation, make it possible for them, if you find goodness in them. And give them some of Allah’s wealth which he has granted you. Do not force your slave girls into prostitution for your own worldly gains if they want to be chaste. And if someone forces them, then after such coercion Allah is certainly All-forgiving , most merciful.

The verse above addresses four issues
i. A Muslim man who cannot afford marriage (temporary or permanent) is required to keep himself chaste until he is blessed by Allah to afford it.
ii. If a slave needs freedom, Muslim men should not make it difficult especially if they are good slaves. A Muslim is actually required to help them out financially to start a new life
iii. Muslims men should NOT force their slaves who desire to be chaste into prostitution as a means of getting wealth. This supposes that only if the slaves do not object to prostitution should a Muslim use them as prostitutes.

Tafsir Ibn Katheer Quran 4:24
“There is no doubt that in the start Mutah was Halal”

Tafsir Al-Qurtubi Quran 4:24
The majority said that it refers to Nika al-Mutah which existed during the beginning of Islam.

Is this TRUE or FALSE?








These are just a tiny fraction as a problem: However,
1. By Default, Muslims believe Mohammed without question
2. By default, Muslims reject the earlier revealed Scriptures (as corrupt) by which they would have tested if Mohammed was representing the TRUE God.



My OBJECTIVE is the Make Muslims who LOVE the TRUTH to look at the Quran, the hadiths, Mohammed and Allah and ASK themselves Question based on the available FACTS: Is this certainly the WAY to paradise OR I have been deceived by the best of the Deceivers?

Do you agree

TenQ:
Can Jinn assume tangible physical forms?
The answer is an EMPHATIC No!
If you think they can, give me EVIDENCE!

The question is supposed to be if they are TRUTHS or LIES to defame Islam, Mohammed and Allah.

This was why I said: ,
"But was it a lie that Mohammed usually never have ANY evidence for the miraculous.
Abi!?
Al-Burak was seen only by Mohammed
Jibril was seen only by Mohammed
The Moon Splitting only by Mohammed
Journey to the farthest mosque only by Mohammed

If you can tell me a miracle that was witnessed by others with respect to Mohammed, I will recite the shahada."



You want to know my intention!?
I will tell you.

1. Early on, I have observed that it is IMPOSSIBLE that BOTH the Quran and the Bible lead to the same paradise.
Why?
a. Salvation in the Bible is based on the atonement of the Blood of Jesus Christ for those who would believe in Him. Islam vehemently rejects that Jesus was crucified. Islam rejects that Jesus Died. Islam rejects that Jesus is Salvation given as a gift to mankind. Islam bases salvation on being a good Muslim that follow Mohammed and Allah.
This is even a historical event that both Jewish historians, Roman Historians and Christian sources have detailed in their books.

The Question for you is :
i. DId Jesus die on the Cross?
ii. If he did not die, what happened to Jesus and who was crucified?
iii. In whose presence was Jesus taken to heaven because the disciples say it was in their presence?
iv. Why did the Almighty Allah deceive Mary, the Apostles of Jesus and His disciples with the Jews and Romans?

b. Allah gave a reliable way to OBJECTIVELY test and verify that the Quran was from no other than himself
Quran 4:82
Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found therein Much discrepancy.

Just a little test, what do we find? Several DISCREPANCIES, SEVERAL ERRORS, SEVERAL CONTRADICTIONS
Just a few examples:
a. Allah thinks that the sun set in some dark murky waters
Quran 18:86
Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness.

Is this TRUE or FALSE?
b. Allah thinks that the sperm become a baby
Quran 23:13-14
Then We placed him as a sperm-drop in a firm lodging.
Then We made the sperm-drop into a clinging clot, and We made the clot into a lump [of flesh], and We made [from] the lump, bones, and We covered the bones with flesh; then We developed him into another creation. So blessed is Allah, the best of creators.

Is this TRUE or FALSE?

c. Allah thinks the Samaritans existed at the time of moses: He seem not to know that the Samaritans existed several centuries after ONLY after the kingdom of Israel broke into two kingdoms after king Solomon.

Quran 20:95-96
Moses then asked, “What did you think you were doing, O Samaritan?”
He said, “I saw what they did not see, so I took a handful ˹of dust˺ from the hoof-prints of ˹the horse of˺ the messenger-angel ˹Gabriel˺ then cast it ˹on the moulded calf˺. This is what my lower-self tempted me into.”

2. Allah gave some moral laws which seems inconsistent with YHWH the God of the Jews and Christians.
a. Allah allows prostitution for Muslim men
Is it UNTRUE that prostitution (Mut’ah -temporary marriage) is permitted in the Quran? (Before Umar finally abrogated it)
Quran 4:24
[Forbidden to you] are married women, except what your right hand possesses. This Allah has written for you, and all other women besides these are permitted to you, so that you may seek them out with your wealth, seeking chastity and not fornication. So, when you have contracted temporary marriage [istimt’atum] with them, then give them their wages. There is no sin on you for whatever you agree to after this. Indeed, Allah is knowing, wise.

The verse above addresses four issues
i. Muslims are prohibited from having sex with Married women.
ii. The exception to this rule is if the married women were captured forcefully during war
iii. The next category lawful for sex are those women that Muslim men use their wealth (money or possession) to acquire (by paying for the sexual services)
iv. For the hired women, Allah commands the men to PAY the agreed amount for the sexual favours. It is not a sin when they do this.

Quran 24:33
And let those who do not have the means to marry keep themselves chaste until Allah enriches them out of his bounty. And if any of those slaves in your possession desires a deed of emancipation, make it possible for them, if you find goodness in them. And give them some of Allah’s wealth which he has granted you. Do not force your slave girls into prostitution for your own worldly gains if they want to be chaste. And if someone forces them, then after such coercion Allah is certainly All-forgiving , most merciful.

The verse above addresses four issues
i. A Muslim man who cannot afford marriage (temporary or permanent) is required to keep himself chaste until he is blessed by Allah to afford it.
ii. If a slave needs freedom, Muslim men should not make it difficult especially if they are good slaves. A Muslim is actually required to help them out financially to start a new life
iii. Muslims men should NOT force their slaves who desire to be chaste into prostitution as a means of getting wealth. This supposes that only if the slaves do not object to prostitution should a Muslim use them as prostitutes.

Tafsir Ibn Katheer Quran 4:24
“There is no doubt that in the start Mutah was Halal”

Tafsir Al-Qurtubi Quran 4:24
The majority said that it refers to Nika al-Mutah which existed during the beginning of Islam.

Is this TRUE or FALSE?








These are just a tiny fraction as a problem: However,
1. By Default, Muslims believe Mohammed without question
2. By default, Muslims reject the earlier revealed Scriptures (as corrupt) by which they would have tested if Mohammed was representing the TRUE God.



My OBJECTIVE is the Make Muslims who LOVE the TRUTH to look at the Quran, the hadiths, Mohammed and Allah and ASK themselves Question based on the available FACTS: Is this certainly the WAY to paradise OR I have been deceived by the best of the Deceivers?

Do you not agree that the fallen angels by nature of their actions are demons? They were doing what God didn't ask them to do or did God ask them to take humans as wives?

Please tell in what form they took these women as wives?

Doesn't your Bible say that the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose… The Nephilim were on the earth in those days…”

Do some Jewish and Christian traditions not see the term "sons of God" as reference to fallen angels who took on human form and had relationships with women, resulting in the birth of giant beings known as the Nephilim.

Where these "sons of God" assuming your son bearing view of your God not demonic in their actions?

Mark 5:1–20 also states that a man is possessed by many demons and shows supernatural strength. Jesus casts the demons into pigs, which then run into the sea and drown.

Does this not show that demons can inhabit both humans and animals, affecting physical behavior.

Can you or can you not comprehend?

TenQ:
Why is it that Muslims would never answer questions that they think betray their knowledge of Islam



Mr honesttalk21,
1. Tell me, which of the followers of prophet Mohammed saw the afreet?
2. What did prophet Mohammed use to tie up the afreet?
3. Who finally untied the afreet or was it killed?
4. Can you describe a little how the afreet look like?


Note:
I am not a Muslim thus, I need reasons to believe in Islam, Mohammed, Allah and your Scholars.

I see you may have the ability to read but have questionable understanding.

Where did the narration say the iffrit was tied?
What you should first ask is if the Arabians at the time or now believe demons like the iffrit exist. When you do we can readdress your questions.

TenQ:
You raised this topic o

You feign forgetting when you raised this topic.

Is this not proof of the malicious intent you have and certainly that your comments should not be taken seriously? ? ?

honesttalk21:
Do you not agree that the fallen angels by nature of their actions are demons? They were doing what God didn't ask them to do or did God ask them to take humans as wives?

Please tell in what form they took these women as wives?

Doesn't your Bible say that the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose… The Nephilim were on the earth in those days…”

Do some Jewish and Christian traditions not see the term "sons of God" as reference to fallen angels who took on human form and had relationships with women, resulting in the birth of giant beings known as the Nephilim.

Where these "sons of God" assuming your son bearing view of your God not demonic in their actions?

Mark 5:1–20 also states that a man is possessed by many demons and shows supernatural strength. Jesus casts the demons into pigs, which then run into the sea and drown.

Does this not show that demons can inhabit both humans and animals, affecting physical behavior.

Can you or can you not comprehend?

Your lack of understanding is huge my dear
Let me point out your basic errors first.
1. Demons are NOT the same as Jinns
2. Demons are not fallen Angels
3. Demons cannot take up physical forms

How did Jibril look when he came to Mary?
This was exactly how fallen Angels looked when they came to the daughters of men to blow into their vulva.

Nephillims are a hybrid of Human and fallen angels DNA. They are neither Angels nor Human.


Please show us any demon in physical form as you believe Mohammed's words of Willing to tie it up to a physical pole.

honesttalk21:
I see you may have the ability to read but have questionable understanding.

Where did the narration say the iffrit was tied?
What you should first ask is if the Arabians at the time or now believe demons like the iffrit exist. When you do we can readdress your questions.

So, the Afreet wasn't tied up to the pole of the mosque? I thought it was! LOL!
So, Mohammed was just fabricating another story!
Yesterday before sleeping, I asked an Afreet to do frog jump till morning. But because it was crying and begging me, I let it go to its house by 5am.
This is a true story o!

honesttalk21:
You feign forgetting when you raised this topic.

Is this not proof of the malicious intent you have and certainly that your comments should not be taken seriously? ? ?

It was an old post you went to dig up. Now, you refuse to answer the small questions it came with.

Do you notice that you AVOID answering Questions that have theological implications?
It is an evidence that you abhor the truth!
You asked me why I post about Islam, but you were not ready to actually follow through
https://www.nairaland.com/8422183/dear-muslims-just-some-innocent/6#135558859

TenQ:
A man mesmerised his gullible fellow arabs that a Demon (Afrit) came to the mosque to disturb his prayers AND he would have tied the demon to one of the poles of the mosque for all Muslims to see, except that everything was AUDIO.

As you know, Muslims do not ask Questions. They swallow every lie hook, line and sinker

The Question is:
Are Demons Physical Beings?
What kind of ropes can be used to tie up demons to a tree?


Sahih al-Bukhari 461
Narrated Abu Huraira:
"The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Last night a big demon (afreet) from the Jinns came to me and wanted to interrupt my prayers (or said something similar) but Allah enabled me to overpower him. I wanted to fasten him to one of the pillars of the mosque so that all of you could See him in the morning but I remembered the statement of my brother Solomon (as stated in Quran): My Lord! Forgive me and bestow on me a kingdom such as shall not belong to anybody after me (38.35)." The sub narrator Rauh said, "He (the demon) was dismissed humiliated."

All Mohammed's miracles do not have any evidence. only he is the evidence

Since you brought up the TOPIC again, you may wish to answer the following questions supported with ANY hadith (sahih or daif) the answers to the questions
Mr honesttalk21,
1. Tell me, which of the followers of prophet Mohammed saw the afreet?
2. What did prophet Mohammed use to tie up the afreet?
3. Who finally untied the afreet or was it killed?
4. Can you describe a little how the afreet look like?

I do not know if demons are physical but then one could argue that Jacob wrestled with an angel, and abraham fed angels, lot and his family were grabbed and taken away by angels. It makes one to probably assume that demons could as well make physical appearance though it could be a faulty conclusion as demons are not angels.

AntiChristian:
You switched off your thought process again! Are you not the one comparing Holy Spirits to Tafsirs and co?

May you be healed!

to answer your question, no I am not. You are the one who switched off your mind and forgot that you were the one who compared the holy Spirit to tafsirs, even stating that the Holy Spirit was not involved in the writing of the bible

honesttalk21:
@Tenq @gohf

Your title 'Man Comfortably Represent Satan by Lying" acts as a satirical jab at certain Islamic beliefs and figures, using mockery and distortion to get its point across. When it says "comfortably represent Satan," it's making an exaggerated claim meant to belittle people while also casting a negative light on common Islamic symbols like beards and turbans.

Moreover, the sweeping generalizations about religious individuals create a caricature that suggests they have an inherent tendency toward dishonesty. The laughter and scorn found in the comments only serve to heighten this mockery, showing a lack of genuine critique. This method reinforces a narrative of disrespect instead of fostering constructive dialogue, ultimately hindering the chance for meaningful discussions on the topic.

cc @Seun

tenq what title is this one talking about?

By the way honesttalk21 I believe I have quoted you and asked you a thing or two of which you ignored before making this post which such verbosity and inconcurrent assertions that are baseless and mere accusations with an attempt to justify yourself as if you have engage in a dialogue with me that has been meaningful and constructive, without adding your personal prejudice or sentiments

CreativeOrbit:
You keep screaming ‘truth’ like it’s some sacred weapon, but all you’re doing is spitting out overinflated trash wrapped in arrogance.

Your ‘simple question’ is only impressive to you because you clearly lack the capacity for anything deeper. A toddler might understand it—because it’s infantile, just like your logic.

You mistake my refusal to entertain your nonsense as confusion, when in reality, it’s pity. You're not insightful—you’re insufferable.

You’re not provoking thought—you’re begging for attention in the loudest, most embarrassing way possible.

You didn’t offend me—you exposed yourself as a clown swinging wildly in a conversation that left you behind long ago.

I didn't scream it, I wrote it, and if it bangs in your head as a scream it reaffirms what I wrote of you running your head into it like a brickwall. And Lol, I did not call myself the truth that offends you but then I do not disagree with you seeing me as that truth. 😊

gohf:
tenq what title is this one talking about?

By the way honesttalk21 I believe I have quoted you and asked you a thing or two of which you ignored before making this post which such verbosity and inconcurrent assertions that are baseless and mere accusations with an attempt to justify yourself as if you have engage in a dialogue with me that has been meaningful and constructive, without adding your personal prejudice or sentiments

For he may feign forgetting.

TenQ:
A man mesmerised his gullible fellow arabs that a Demon (Afrit) came to the mosque to disturb his prayers AND he would have tied the demon to one of the poles of the mosque for all Muslims to see, except that everything was AUDIO.

If he didn't tag you perhaps you were not his friend yet

honesttalk21:
For he may feign forgetting.


If he didn't tag you perhaps you were not his friend yet

you tagged me, and from his response it had little to do with the title you wrote nor the response I read so share the link, so I can understand your dialogue with him

gohf:
to answer your question, no I am not. You are the one who switched off your mind and forgot that you were the one who compared the holy Spirit to tafsirs, even stating that the Holy Spirit was not involved in the writing of the bible

You were the first to mention both!

I only expatiated what you mentioned!

gohf:
I do not know if demons are physical but then one could argue that Jacob wrestled with an angel, and abraham fed angels, lot and his family were grabbed and taken away by angels. It makes one to probably assume that demons could as well make physical appearance though it could be a faulty conclusion as demons are not angels.

But I said:
How did Jibril look when he came to Mary?
This was exactly how fallen Angels looked when they came to the daughters of men to blow into their vulva.
Angels can take up Human shapes (evidence abound in the scriptures)

But Fallen Angels are NOT Demons and Demons cannot take up physical shapes.

Demons are way far inferior to Angels. They are what Jesus calls "Unclean Spirits" neither men nor angels, a cursed hybrid!

gohf:
tenq what title is this one talking about?

By the way honesttalk21 I believe I have quoted you and asked you a thing or two of which you ignored before making this post which such verbosity and inconcurrent assertions that are baseless and mere accusations with an attempt to justify yourself as if you have engage in a dialogue with me that has been meaningful and constructive, without adding your personal prejudice or sentiments

Here was the Original post several months ago



https://www.nairaland.com/8169188/man-comfortably-represent-satan-lying