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PHIPEX:
So the very moment a man no longer has a church he becomes a sinner?

The level of religious extremism in some of you is alarming.

The Bible should now be rewritten to say " for God so loved world that he gave his only begotten son that WHOEVER HAS A CHURCH HAS ETERNAL LIFE".

Christian should belong to a church, but belonging to a church does not make any man a Christian. You can fans yourself in Afghanistan without a church and remain a fervent Christian. The ultimate is surrender your life to christ whether in a church in Lagos or living alone in Sahara desert.

You're right in pointing out that belonging to a church building or denomination does not save anyone. Salvation is by grace through faith in Christ alone—not by church attendance, religious rituals, or labels.

John 3:16 says “whosoever believes in Him”, not “whosoever registers in a church.”

So no, a man doesn’t instantly become a sinner just because he’s outside a church building. That would be legalism, not gospel.

However, there’s a difference between:

1. Being without a church by circumstance (e.g., living in a remote area, persecution, war)

2. Willfully neglecting fellowship out of pride, offense, or indifference

The issue is not "having a church" — it's being part of the Body.

The New Testament talks about living, connected fellowship:

Acts 2:42 – “They continued steadfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship...”

Hebrews 10:25 – “Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together...”

1 Corinthians 12:27 – “Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.”

You can be a believer in a desert or prison and still be deeply connected to Christ. But when someone says “I don’t need church” while surrounded by Christian community, that often reveals a heart issue, not just geography.

ErebeOcoco:
The growing trend common in people these days is, I don't go to church but I am a spiritual person. Some would say I do good and I love God but I don't belong to any church.

Is it possible to love God, do good and not be affiliated to any denomination?

Religious experts, can a man claim to be a child of God without devotion?

Your ancestors that you gave from, were they good or evil? They never knew any church, did they?

immortalcrown:
No!

Someone cannot be a graduate student without education.

Let's break it down. Being a moralist is different from being a child of God. You can be a moralist without being guided by religion. But to be a Child of God, you have to know God's principles through religious activities. Below are some of the clear differences.

A moralist will not condemn sex before marriage as long as the sex is consensual and involves only adults, especially if the parties have agreed to marry each other. A child of God will avoid premarital sex even with his fiancée or her fiance, he or she will wait until marriage.

A moralist will do good to fellow humans while lacking the concept of praying to and praising God. A child of God does good to humans and dedicates time to praises and prayers. And this is where worshiping in a congregation is compulsory.

A moralist will support execution of criminals, a child of God will not.

A moralist will want gay people to be killed or excommunicated. A child of God will condemn the act of gay but will not harm gay people, he or she will keep hoping for gay people to repent.

A moralist will support divorce if the marriage is not peaceful. A child of God will not support divorce but will advise for living apart. Living apart is different from divorce.

A moralist will revenge if repeatedly offended, a child of God will keep forgiving.

The most evil people in the world are in churches and mosques

Religious people are the most evil people in the world

1000% yes yes and yes

DLifeless1:
So I can't have my devotion in my bedroom, which part of my body being the temple of the Holy spirit do you need me to understand, so I need another house to feel the God who his spirit is already inside me?

You can encounter God in your bedroom.
But if your private devotion makes you reject the public family,
You might be protecting your comfort, not your convictions.

Jesus didn’t die to make us independent temples—He died to make us one body, knit together in love, growing in truth, and serving one another in humility.

achorladey:
Do you see people or adherents of particular Christian denomination who go to church everyday and today and you can hardly pick anything child of God about them?

Yes or No?

Yes.

There are many who attend church regularly—daily even—and yet their lives do not reflect Christ. Church attendance alone does not equal spiritual transformation or true discipleship.

2 Timothy 3:5 – “Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof...”

Matthew 7:21 – “Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven...”

So yes, it's possible to go to church and not be a child of God.

But also—it's not an excuse to reject fellowship. The solution to fake Christianity isn’t isolation; it's real, Spirit-filled Christianity.

Dtruthspeaker:
Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Nathaniael, Mary are examples of people who walked with God a sololy

Even though they had personal walks, God always led them into covenant, family, or community:

Noah built the ark for his family, and through him God preserved all humanity.

Abraham was chosen to become a great nation and be a blessing to all families (Genesis 12:2–3).

Isaac and Jacob both continued the covenant lineage—their faith affected generations.

Mary didn’t just carry Christ alone—she was part of a community of believers, and stayed with the disciples (Acts 1:14).

Nathanael (John 1:45–51) immediately became part of the group of disciples following Jesus.

Their personal walk with God never isolated them from God's people,
it positioned them to play a part in God’s bigger covenant story.

ErebeOcoco:
The growing trend common in people these days is, I don't go to church but I am a spiritual person. Some would say I do good and I love God but I don't belong to any church.

Is it possible to love God, do good and not be affiliated to any denomination?

Religious experts, can a man claim to be a child of God without devotion?

Very good question!
Now, before I share my own belief and take, you will need to define the last word "DEVOTION" you used.
Let me know your own pespective as against what devotion generally mean and then we can have a conversation.

#TeamWeLeftChurchNotGod

AntiChristian:
So you being a child is by adoption so your blood is not a true blood of the real child of God. Adopted sons are never true sons!

Whenever I hear blood like this babalawo stuffs be that! Blood of babalawo! Vicarious atonement.

There's nothing wrong with adoption.
Your profet denounced it out of the longing between his legs. Adopted sons are sons with full rights.

Are you also doing babalawo stuff when you slaughter ram for ileya

wiseone28:
Omo you are right, the nonsense is so discouraging

They don't even care if you are broke,all they know about is collecting money

Thankgod89:
Even though they had personal walks, God always led them into covenant, family, or community:

Noah built the ark for his family, and through him God preserved all humanity.

Abraham was chosen to become a great nation and be a blessing to all families (Genesis 12:2–3).

Isaac and Jacob both continued the covenant lineage—their faith affected generations.

Mary didn’t just carry Christ alone—she was part of a community of believers, and stayed with the disciples (Acts 1:14).

Nathanael (John 1:45–51) immediately became part of the group of disciples following Jesus.

Their personal walk with God never isolated them from God's people,
it positioned them to play a part in God’s bigger covenant story.

This is just God using the man who walked alone to try to save other people.

And that is why you even said Noah and Noah and Okey or Abraham and not Abraham and Hammurabi.

And apart from Nathanael who God later made him to find and join the people whom God put together (disciples) none of them had any other "God's people" to walk with.

They all had to walk the Way a lone!

Thankgod89:
You're right in pointing out that belonging to a church building or denomination does not save anyone. Salvation is by grace through faith in Christ alone—not by church attendance, religious rituals, or labels.

John 3:16 says “whosoever believes in Him”, not “whosoever registers in a church.”

So no, a man doesn’t instantly become a sinner just because he’s outside a church building. That would be legalism, not gospel.

However, there’s a difference between:

1. Being without a church by circumstance (e.g., living in a remote area, persecution, war)

2. Willfully neglecting fellowship out of pride, offense, or indifference

The issue is not "having a church" — it's being part of the Body.

The New Testament talks about living, connected fellowship:

Acts 2:42 – “They continued steadfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship...”

Hebrews 10:25 – “Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together...”

1 Corinthians 12:27 – “Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.”

You can be a believer in a desert or prison and still be deeply connected to Christ. But when someone says “I don’t need church” while surrounded by Christian community, that often reveals a heart issue, not just geography.

You are right butbthere can never be an absolute position on this. Even a man can decide.not to belong to a church and remain a Christian even though this is not encouraged. A family can be a church because where 2 or 3 are gathered, He's there in theor mixt. If a family for whatever reason decides to turn their sitting room to a "church", nothing changes but this is not encouraged neither is it a sin.

Thankgod89:
Even though they had personal walks, God always led them into covenant, family, or community

The OP emphasized on being a Son of God.

The right to become sons of God wasn't given to anyone until Jesus laid down his life it was after Jesus' ransom sacrifice that the privilege to become sons of God was opened {John 1:11-12} so from the days of Abel (born of women) till the time of John the baptist nobody qualifies to be called Son of God {Matthew 11:11} it was after Jesus' ransom sacrifice that the door was opened and it was opened in connection with the gathering of (born again Christians) the sons of God creation itself has been waiting for this to be revealed! Romans 8:19

So there's no way an individual can get that seal on his head {Revelations 14:1} if he or she doesn't assemble with the Sons of God (born again Christians) Act 2:1-4

chiommy123:
It's very possible but such persons are not grounded because they don't know the word very well. Cos the bible said we should not forsake the assembling of ourselves together

Were two or more are gathered in my name he is also there. You are the light of the world you take light 🕯️ to darkness 🌑 not light 🕯️

Coming together is not a command to go to church but fellowship together for Christ sake.

First command of God is to love ❤️ the Lord your God with all your heart and mind. Can you know God without knowing his Word. 80% of Christian in my opinion have not read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation.

If you know the word of God you can not be DECEIVED, if you don't you are already DECEIVED but you don't even know it

It's impossible to please God without FAITH, you must BELIEVE that he is a REWARDER (EXPECTATION) of those who DILIGENTLY seek him.

16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,”

If your entire Christian walk is about going to Church then you may he going to church but not WALKING with God

Nuff said

MaxInDHouse:
The OP emphasized on being a Son of God.

The right to become sons of God wasn't given to anyone until Jesus laid down his life it was after Jesus' ransom sacrifice that the privilege to become sons of God was opened {John 1:11-12} so from the days of Abel (born of women) till the time of John the baptist nobody qualifies to be called Son of God {Matthew 11:11} it was after Jesus' ransom sacrifice that the door was opened and it was opened in connection with the gathering of (born again Christians) the sons of God creation itself has been waiting for this to be revealed! Romans 8:19

So there's no way an individual can get that seal on his head {Revelations 14:1} if he or she doesn't assemble with the Son of God (born again Christians) Act 2:1-4

Who did Apostle Paul assemble with before he started his mission ❓

komekn:
Who did Apostle Paul assemble with before he started his mission ❓

To which group was he led after Jesus attacked him?

On arriving in Jerusalem, (Paul) made efforts to join the disciples, but they were all afraid of him, because they did not believe he was a disciple. So Barʹna·bas came to (Paul's) aid and led him to the apostles, and he told them in detail how on the road (Paul) had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken to him, and how in Damascus he had spoken boldly in the name of Jesus. So (Paul) remained with (the church), moving about freely in Jerusalem, speaking boldly in the name of the Lord. Act 9:26-28

Any further questions?

But same Bible says God doesn't dwell in churches made by humans
So of what significance is the question??😂😂😂

APOPTOSIS:
But same Bible says God doesn't dwell in churches made by humans
So of what significance is the question??😂😂😂

The church is not a building it's modern day religionists that started calling the buildings where they meet "CHURCH" in the biblical view "CHURCH" means the CONGREGATION or GROUP OF CHRISTIANS.

MaxInDHouse:
The church is not a building it's modern day religionists that started calling the buildings where they meet "CHURCH" in the biblical view "CHURCH" means the CONGREGATION or GROUP OF CHRISTIANS.

Can we have a debate...?
May be you can redirect me to the "God" you are talking about..
In order to integrate and understand the relevance of the question above, I would like to ask you a simple question...

My question:
Is Almighty God a Christian?
Please answer without responding disjointedly...
Let's keep it simple.🙏🏾

rickleye:
Alphabets were created by Egyptians long before Greek and Latin.
Languages have no origin but you can’t peg to tower of Babylon .
People found ways to describe God with what was around them.

which ways was that ?

Someone invented the alphabet true or false ?

APOPTOSIS:
Can we have a debate...?
May be you can redirect me to the "God" you are talking to..
In order to integrate and understand the relevance of the question above, I would like to ask you a simple question...

My question
Is Almighty God a Christian?
Please answer without responding disjointedly...
Let's keep it simple.🙏🏾

The Almighty God promised to help us in the endtime IDENTIFY the religion that's having His full attention.

Will you like to know what He said?

MaxInDHouse:
The Almighty God promised to help us in the endtime IDENTIFY the religion that's having His full attention.
Will you like to know what He said?

Please I only demanded for a "Yes" or "No" response.
...and not all these.
I want to have a constructive debate with a specific Nairalander possibly a Pastor.
You may convince me well and I may start having a rethink.

My Question is
Is the Almighty God a Christian or not?
It's simple. It requires only Yes or No response and the next question follows
Answer me and quote your reference (sources) too

APOPTOSIS:
Please I only demanded for a "Yes" or "No" response.
...and not all these.
I want to have a constructive debate with a specific Nairalander possibly a Pastor.
You may convince me well and I may start having a rethink.

My Question is
Is the Almighty God a Christian or not?
It's simple. It requires only Yes or No response and the next question follows

YES!

Thankgod89:
Yes.

There are many who attend church regularly—daily even—and yet their lives do not reflect Christ. Church attendance alone does not equal spiritual transformation or true discipleship.

2 Timothy 3:5 – “Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof...”

Matthew 7:21 – “Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven...”

So yes, it's possible to go to church and not be a child of God.

But also—it's not an excuse to reject fellowship. The solution to fake Christianity isn’t isolation; it's real, Spirit-filled Christianity.

Your YES means going to Church does not equate being a child of God.

Leave but one side. Once you add but legalisms don enter. There is no law regarding how to be a child of God. No one single verse made it a law regarding how to be child of God.

Your scope of fellowship should not be defined as what is done in a particular building on a set day, time and place. That's why you see sheep on Sunday and see wolves at work on Monday because being devoted and in fellowship with God is restricted to that building they go to on defined days, date and time.

Your fellowship should start with the saying whatever you do, do as to God not to men. When you understand the length and breadth of that you will know for example, those you work with at work when you encourage them to do what is good and fine is fellowship with God.

Thankgod89:
You can encounter God in your bedroom.
But if your private devotion makes you reject the public family,
You might be protecting your comfort, not your convictions.

Jesus didn’t die to make us independent temples—He died to make us one body, knit together in love, growing in truth, and serving one another in humility.

Baba abandon this your legalism kind of thinking.


Jesus said when two or three are gathered in my name is not a commandment. It is just a statement of fact of what will happen to his followers.


Paul stated..... Do not forsake the gathering. This is not a commandment too. It is just an advise. Nowhere in those account made it a law or commandment to must attend a church.

Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them

Jesus replied, “All who love me will do what I say. My Father will love them, and we will come and make our home with each of them.

Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.

PHIPEX:
You are right butbthere can never be an absolute position on this. Even a man can decide.not to belong to a church and remain a Christian even though this is not encouraged. A family can be a church because where 2 or 3 are gathered, He's there in theor mixt. If a family for whatever reason decides to turn their sitting room to a "church", nothing changes but this is not encouraged neither is it a sin.

Love the bold jare. Some will discuss the topic and try as much as possible to make laws regarding what was never defined as a law.

MaxInDHouse:
YES!

1st: If God is a Christian, how come Christianity started barely some years ago while God has been in existence for eternity?
2nd: Are you still saying Christianity is older than God?

3rd: How can a Religion be higher or older than the God it was created to subserve?
4th: I believe God should be supreme and every other thing should lie beneath God, explain..

5th: If going to Church qualifies one to be a "Child of God", then such disqualifies Jesus, Abraham, Moses, Elijah, Joseph, David and many more too because they were never Christians.
6th: Christianity is a product of Jesus followership and not Almighty God!

7th: Did you know you are a Christian today simply because your parents or grandparents were Christians (or possibly by conversion) and if you were born into a Muslim family you would have likely ended up a Muslim too and would that have disqualified you from being a child a God?

8th: Are you saying kids born to the Hindu, traditional worshippers and other religions don't belong to God almighty?

9th: If according to my Bible, GOD doesn't dwell in churches built by Humans, of what relevance is the question in the first place?

Please explain all these in a respectful manner.
Mind you I'm a Christian too and want to be educated more. Thanks.
I will be delighted to get answers constructively and with sources ( references).
I expect your sources to come from God too and not books written by humans.

APOPTOSIS:
But same Bible says God doesn't dwell in churches made by humans
So of what significance is the question??😂😂😂

Wow wow wow wow

Throwing the cat among the pigeons. Allow them keep chasing shadows instead of reality.

achorladey:
Your YES means going to Church does not equate being a child of God.

Leave but one side. Once you add but legalisms don enter. There is no law regarding how to be a child of God. No one single verse made it a law regarding how to be child of God.

Your scope of fellowship should not be defined as what is done in a particular building on a set day, time and place. That's why you see sheep on Sunday and see wolves at work on Monday because being devoted and in fellowship with God is restricted to that building they go to on defined days, date and time.

Your fellowship should start with the saying whatever you do, do as to God not to men. When you understand the length and breadth of that you will know for example, those you work with at work when you encourage them to do what is good and fine is fellowship with God.

Biblical fellowship is not just “you and God.”
It’s you, God, and others—sharpening, encouraging, correcting, and growing together in truth and love.

If our “personal walk” isolates us completely from other believers, we may need to ask:
Is it humility keeping me apart—or hurt, pride, or convenience?

MaxInDHouse:
The church is not a building it's modern day religionists that started calling the buildings where they meet "CHURCH" in the biblical view "CHURCH" means the CONGREGATION or GROUP OF CHRISTIANS.

What do you call where Jehovah’s witnesses meet and? Do you as one of Jehovah's WITNESSES count going to that place it as part of devotion/worship to God?

I only want to know whether you are among the religionist you talked about?

Thankgod89:
Biblical fellowship is not just “you and God.”
It’s you, God, and others—sharpening, encouraging, correcting, and growing together in truth and love.

If our “personal walk” isolates us completely from other believers, we may need to ask:
Is it humility keeping me apart—or hurt, pride, or convenience?

Not restricted to going to building at certain date time, day and place right?