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zero8zero:
Wonderful, so they can come back to reverence Wike?. Indeed, what God cannot do does not exist.

DenreleDave:
Anny. U don black oo

aribisala0:
In Spanish Language and Portuguese Language

The following words are examples the same

English Spanish Portuguese
Eat Comer Comer
Fish Pez Pez
Shop Tienda Tenda
Water Agua Agua


Spanish and Portuguese share almost 90% of their vocabulary REPEAT 90%


Because you as an Igbo person see what sounds or looks like your vocabulary does not mean the other person is speaking your language

A banana is not a type of plantain

The fact that Ogbakor means whatever in Igbo language does not mean i cannot mean the same thing in Ikwerre language or that if Ikwerre use it they must have borrowed it from you


These is a list of Yoruba words

Iba Fever
Ejire Twins
Okuta Stone

Afefe Breeze or wind

Apoti Box

Eti Nose

Ile House

Oka Corn
Enu Mouth

Apo Bag

Ile Ground

Imu Nose


There are very similar words in Igbo

What does that prove> That our ancestors were neighnbours . You cannot claim that because a word means the same thing in two different languages that one group owns it and the other is part of them

Ewure goat

Ibudo Settlement/ Small town

Eru Slave

Ibi Place

Bo Come

bo ibi Come here
bo wa ile (bowale) come home

Konquest:
@aribisala0

Impressive takes.

I like the FACT that you emphasized on the relationship between Portuguese and Spanish on one hand and the presence of LOAN WORDS from Yoruba language in central Ibo language. Portuguese itself evolved as a sort of pidgin latin as well.

We MUST NOT forget that historically, Igala language is classified as a Yoruboid language just like Itsekiris (who are ORIGINALLY made up directly of a central core of people from Yorubaland from Ijebu, Ife, and Ilaje). Ureju was founded by Ife migrants. Ode Itsekiri, Ogidigen, Omadino, etc, are Itsekiri communities originally founded by Ijebu people from over 700 years ago before Prince Ginuwa came from Benin with 70 of his lieutenants in the year 1480. The oil and gas-rich Ugborodo (formerly called Escravos was founded over 500 years by migrants from Ugbo in Ondo State, etc).

With reference to the Igalas, the Igalas are indigenous to Kogi State, Northern Enugu, Anambra, Delta North, etc, and in 2017, the late Attah of Igala emphasized in that Punch interview which is still online that Igala evolved from a fusion of migrants from Wukari now in Taraba who fused with a significant number of Yorubas and Edos they met around Idah. It's NOT surprising that Yoruba and Igala languages are mutually intelligible up to 65% with a lot of PURE Yoruba words of up to 65% found in Igala language with some having the same spelling while others have slight spelling alterations. The remaining words and vocabularies in Igala are from largely from Idoma language.

So, the few Yoruba words you see in Ibo (Igbo) are actually borrowed or LOAN WORDS directly from Yoruba and ALSO via Igalas since Igala folks are indigenous to Anambra State.

Egungun in Yoruba is spelled "Egwugwu" by Igalas in Igala-associated communities based off of dialectic pronounciations, Omi is Omi in Igala, Ogede in Yoruba is Ogede in Igala, Osu is Ochu in Igala meaning month, Ifa is Ifa in Igala, Akuko is Akuko in Ogun in Yoruba is Ogwu in Igala meaning medicine. These PURE Yoruba words in Igala ALSO CLEARLY leaked into central Ibo via the Anambra axis. The Igalas are well known to have been the one that introduced the red chieftaincy cap into the Nsukka area within the last 500 years. The red chieftaincy cap is NOT an indigenous Ibo cap but a Middle Belt cap worn by Yorubas, Igalas, Ebiras, Jukuns, etc, of the Middle Belt of Nigeria. An American who lecturered at University of Nigeria, Nsukka from the 1960s right to the 1970s ALSO CLEARLY stated in his book "The Ibo-Igala Land Border" that Yoruba and Igala hunters hunted in the Nsukka area together over 300 years ago which emphasizes the ancestral relationship or bloodlines between the Yorubas and Igalas through the common modern Kogi State land bridge with modern Anambra and Northern Enugu. Even the FULL name of the Igala cultural capital, Idah, which is "ONA IMUDA" [meaning the ROAD is blocked], emphasizing the blockage by the river Niger of the road/path/route taken by the early founders or migrants into modern Idah) has noticeable Yoruba words in it with ONA or road being very noticeable. "IDAH" is the shortened form of the full name "ONA IMUDA."

The Igala-associated communities who we know are Yoruboid in language are a major source of some of those few PURE Yoruba words found in Ibo language aside from those DIRECTLY borrowed from Yoruba language such as Egunsi (Egusi), Akara, Moyin-Moyin (The ORIGINAL Yoruba spelling is "Moyin-Moyin" BUT some contract it to "Moin-Moin" without letter Y) Agidi, Elubo, Agbada, Iba (fever), Okuta, Ewure are CLEARLY pure Yoruba words loaned into Ibo language as CLEARLY documented in the Longman Ibo-English Dictionary co-written decades back by an Ibo academic and linguist.

I have a screenshot of the Egusi entry in the Ibo-English Dictionary where it was CLEARLY indicated that the Ibo spelling Egwusi is a borrowed OR LOAN WORD from the "Yor" (YORUBA) and will attach it right BELOW. Parts of Ibo call Egunsi (Egusi) Elili.

NO doubt the indigenous Igala presence in the Igala-associated communities of modern Anambra (via Eri the son of Achado and his descendants), Northern Enugu, Delta North, etc, are CLEARLY partly responsible for the inflow of these Yoruba words into Ibo lexicon and we MUSTN'T forget that the great linguist and Anglican clergyman Bishop Samuel Ajayi Crowther wrote the FIRST EVER book in Ibo language entitled: "ISUAMA IBO - A Primer" in the 1850s while in Onitsha based off of his earlier works in creating the Yoruba language alphabet, Yoruba-English Dictionary and other Yoruba books as of 1843. Ajayi Crowther ALSO wrote a FIRST EVER book in the Igala language and Nupe language as well being a linguist.

aribisala0:
Thanks for your quote

You are making a lot of assertions that are assumpions
Eg that Portuguese evolved as a sort of pidgin of Latin. That is unknowable

That there was a flow of words from Yoruba to Igbo. There are too many assumption

The greatest intellectual trait is the ability to separate beliefs from reality

Many of your assumptions about loan words require a lot more expertise than you have or at least are claiming to have

Linguistics does not operate at the superficial level

It is possible that there was One Language A Parent from which Igbo and Yoruba evolved thousands of years ago rather than that one borrowed from the other . Even if there was borrowing who borrowed and how can we know?
. Both are possible but it is important to be humble enough to acknowledge the limits of what one knows or does not know and not to fill in gaps with strong Assertions about things one cannot possibly know

chrisxxx:
Ikwerre Men don't pretend with their intentions. They are bold and go all.out.for what they desire with no atom of gear or intimidation. See Wike see Amaechi.

Konquest:
Your feedback is in order because it's ALWAYS important to ask questions and then we can get rock solid illuminations on areas where blindspots exist in our body of knowledge. I gave some advanced book references in the body of my post that you quoted which you can easily read up.

I don't make assumptions because since 1981, I have collected a vast body of historical knowledge and books on world history and Nigerian history in my personal archives. More on that later.

My brief reference to Portuguese being a sort of pidgin Latin came from a series of BBC Documentary Reports I listened to back in the late 1990s that dealt with the history of the Iberian Peninsula (Spain and Portugal). Portuguese is a pidginized offshoot of Spanish as spoken by certain folks in the lower class and we know that Spanish has its roots in Latin or the "Romance languages" like you indicated in your post [with several Arabic-derived words in Spanish] due to the invasion and colonization of Spain for over 700 years by the Muslim Moorish invaders (the Muslim Berbers and Arab elements from North Africa) who were FINALLY expelled militarily from Spain (Al-Andulus) in 1492!


I have a vast body of archival materials in my personal home libraries that I have gathered right from the early 1980s (1981 to be precise) so you are NOT having a convo with a youngster here who is making wild assumptions BUT a well-traveled and well-read man. I have read the advanced books and historical works on advanced Yoruba history and archaeology from Nigeria's former Ambassador to Germany and historian, Professor Jide Osuntokun, the respected historian Prof Banji Akintoye, and many more scholars which shed more light on the pre-Oduduwa dynasty history and the past ancestors of modern Yorubas before Oduduwa was even born or even arrived in Ufe (Ife) from his original Yoruba home in the hilly Oke Ora (Oke means hill and Ora is the name of a Yoruba deity) just 8 miles away from Ife and he met older communities and people there. There were already autochthonous communities (Yoruba ancestors) existing in Ife, Ekiti, Ondo axis long before Oduduwa was even born according to the former Nigerian Ambassador to Germany, Emeritus Professor Akinjide Osuntokun and others in their advanced works. So, Oduduwa simply represents the rise of a new dynasty (3rd Dynasty) in Ufe (Ile Ife) and NOT that all Yoruba folks descended from him.


This is NOT an assumption. Yorubas and the people today collectively known as Ibos were NOT directly from one source in the Niger-Congo classification as alleged by earlier writers, and the late Attah of Igala, Michael Ameh Oboni clearly stated in the 2017 interview that the Igalas came into existence as a result of the fusion of a migrant group of people from Wukari with a significant number of Yorubas and Edos they met around the river Niger confluence and Idah axis. Igala language like I stated is up to 65% mutually intelligible with Yoruba. Even the folks called Ibos (Igbos) today are NOT of the same ancestry and are not of direct ancestral links with Yorubas within the last 1000 years. I have seen posts by folks from the Owerri or Southern part of the South East of Nigeria say this online (YouTube and NL) and even criticize the "Afa" as known in the Anambra area and instead regard "Odinani" as the real Ibo religion. What largely makes a person an Ibo is NOT about ancestry but about shared cultures.
That's the way they classify themselves based off of shared culture. The term Ibo evolved ONLY less than 150 years ago as a result of British Colonial influence and NOT that these fragmented subgroups such as the Ngwa, Owerre, Awka, Mbaise, Nsukka, etc, called themselves Ibo. The name Ibo (Igbo) was ORIGINALLY used back in time by the more advanced ethnic neighbors of these subtribes in the Ibo interior as a "derogatory" or "condescending" name because the people of the Ibo interior of the East of the river Niger were seen as primitive, engaged in cannibalism and were used as source of slaves sold to Aboh [by the Igalas who called these slaves "Onigbo" and elsewhere]. The Igalas contemptuously refered to the primitive tribes in the Ibo interior as "Onigbo, the Benin-Edos referred to them as "Igbon," the Asabas on the West of river Niger referred to them condescendingly as "Onye Ibo" all because the people were seen as bush dwellers who engaged in cannibalism and were used for slave labor. Period.

ideatoprince18:
..... Why do u people think like this? If a person from KOGI bears Funmi Adebayo, what do u think her tribe would be?

Ikwerre people that keeps saying they are not Igbos are just plainly daft. Wether ure Ikwerre ,Ohafia,Abiriba, Ohagwu,Ukwuani,Ndokwa, Mbaise,Owerri,Nsukka,Abakaliki, The brella that covers all is Igbo language. The only difference is that we speak a variation of same Igbo language.

Just like how Lions,Tiger,Cheetah,Leopard,are all Cats. You can't classify them under Dogs.

richie240:
sometimes Most times it's expedient not to interfere/dabble into igbo matters.

Are you aware that the president-general of Ohaneze is a fellow ikwerre-man just like Amaechi??

Don't let them use your head to play ball.
When it favours them they (ikwerres/nigerdelta igbos) will tell you "we are igbós", but when the narratives doesn't align with their aspirations, they'll deny their (igbo) heritage.

We think they are 'confused', but the contrary is the case: they are using the heads of gullible nigerians to play ball.
Their case can be likened to kwara indigenes waking up to tell the gullibles that they are not Yorubas simply bcus they were carved into north-central.

Ikaeniyan0:
Ikwerre no b igbo

zero8zero:
Wonderful, so they can come back to reverence Wike?. Indeed, what God cannot do does not exist.

Ikaeniyan0:
Kwara is not the name of an ethnic group like Ikwerre.

richie240:
The Yoruba ethnic group in kwara are the igbominas. In kogi state, the yoruba ethnic groups are the okuns etc.

As ijeshas (Yoruba subgroup) is to osun state, ijebus (yoruba subgroup) to ogun state, ikwerres (igbo subgroup) to rivers state, so are the igbominas (yoruba subgroup) to kwarans'

Ikaeniyan0:
There's more than 3 different ethnic groups in Kwara state

Not every Yorubas in Kwara are igbominas, not every Yorubas in Kogi state are Okuns.

Ikwerre is not Igbo

freshvine:
Actually he is deceiving the ronus just to be accepted in National politics. Nothing will make Amaechi drop his igbo name, igbo language and igbo community.

He need yoruba and hausa/fulani acceptance so he's playing to gallery.

richie240:
So you know that one before right??
Are the igbominas fulanis or Yorubas??


Las-las you agree that igbominas are Yorubas , na d koko be that!


Ok sir, ijebu is not Yoruba!!!
Equation balanced!

Ikaeniyan0:
Bro, Kwara is not an ethnic group. I don't understand all this your long shalaye.

Kwara is just a name of a state.

Ikaeniyan0:
There's more than 3 ethnic groups in kwara

richie240:
I never said kwara is an ethnic group, or did I??
No need shifting goal post biko!

We've passed this level in our tete-a-tete!

richie240:
Their case can be likened to kwara indigenes waking up to tell the gullibles that they are not Yorubas simply bcus they were carved into north-central.

Junior66:
This your example makes no sense. The Portuguese and the Spanish were original the same people, it is just geographical separation that changed their languages slightly. A Spaniard that has never heard Portuguese language in his life before will understand much of it once he listens to it. They both understand themselves to a very large extent similar to the way Igbos and Ikweres understand each other. The only difference is that the Portuguese and Spaniards have the same origin.

Even these your Ikweres likely have the same origin with the Igbos. At least you can't prove that they don't.

I'm an Igala observer from Kogi State.

Tranquill:
When Amaechi was addressed as “Our Igbo son” in Abia State by the then Ohaneze president Joe Irukwu, during the reception in honour of Arunma Oteh, he promptly took the mic and said “I am a proud Ikwerre son and not Igbo. This was over 15 years ago. At a radio Station in Lagos when he was governor, he was asked if he was Igbo and he said No.

Igbo people continued to call him an Igbo man so when he was campaigning for Buhari against Jonathan he used that advantage to tell the crowd that he was more Igbo than Jonathan and Igbo people started cheering him. Is there any where in the world where someone would overnight say he belongs to an ethnicity that he never identified with and then you take that as indelible fact?

Only Igbo people would see someone whose mother, father, none of the siblings is Igbo but assume that person can become Igbo overnight. If this is not stupidity of the highest order then I don’t know what it is.