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| Re: Itsekiri And Olukumi Form Alliance, Share History, Celebrate Exchange (Pics) by okuta007: 3:23pm On Jun 10, 2025 |
Obiedun:Is Damijo an Itsekiri name ? Mofe is his name because his mother is Itsekiri - BUT Damijo is an Urhobo name because his father is Urhobo In Nigeria, your father's tribe is your tribe Reno's mother is Itsekiri, his father is Urhobo - why are you disowning him ? because he is a hungry "anywhere belle face" mad man If he was a successful man in business and other ventures of life, you will claim him abi? Reno Omokri is Urhobo man - DEAL WITH IT ![]() |
| Re: Itsekiri And Olukumi Form Alliance, Share History, Celebrate Exchange (Pics) by Konquest: 3:42pm On Jun 10, 2025 |
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| Re: Itsekiri And Olukumi Form Alliance, Share History, Celebrate Exchange (Pics) by IyfeNamikaze(m): 10:09pm On Jun 10, 2025 |
Putindbutt:nobody is coercing any minority in SS. If you're sure of what you're saying then name these SS minorities that are being coerced. Besides, I know you have never been to Anioma before otherwise you would have known that Olukumi is a very tiny area in Igbo Area of Delta. They're so small that they don't even have a LG. |
| Re: Itsekiri And Olukumi Form Alliance, Share History, Celebrate Exchange (Pics) by IyfeNamikaze(m): 10:12pm On Jun 10, 2025 |
zero8zero:lol... They didn't tell you that Ika is Igbo? |
| Re: Itsekiri And Olukumi Form Alliance, Share History, Celebrate Exchange (Pics) by IyfeNamikaze(m): 10:13pm On Jun 10, 2025 |
Gustavowhite:Are you minding this ones that have never seen the Niger bridge with their two eyes? |
| Re: Itsekiri And Olukumi Form Alliance, Share History, Celebrate Exchange (Pics) by IyfeNamikaze(m): 10:20pm On Jun 10, 2025 |
zero8zero:lol .. do you even know where Anioma is? There's no indigenous Urhobo community in Anioma, ika are Igbo and Agbor is not a tribe. People who have never been to Delta State are talking authoritatively about the make up of the state. |
| Re: Itsekiri And Olukumi Form Alliance, Share History, Celebrate Exchange (Pics) by IyfeNamikaze(m): 10:25pm On Jun 10, 2025 |
ProudlyLagos:lol.... You don't have an Ikwere friend, no dey lie for here. I have bursted your lies on this matter way too many times and you still go around spreading ignorance all over the place. Most Ikwere identify as Igbo, in fact they have an Igbo group comprises of Ikwere, ogba, Etche etc that categorically identified as igbos and Warned mischievous elements like you to stop peddling false information that they aren't. |
| Re: Itsekiri And Olukumi Form Alliance, Share History, Celebrate Exchange (Pics) by IyfeNamikaze(m): 10:38pm On Jun 10, 2025 |
Obiedun:wait I used to think that RMD was Yoruba ![]() |
| Re: Itsekiri And Olukumi Form Alliance, Share History, Celebrate Exchange (Pics) by ProudlyLagos: 11:06pm On Jun 10, 2025 |
IyfeNamikaze: I don’t have ikwerre friend? Pls who is this nonentity? Have you met me before to come to that conclusion? You can keep deceiving your low inferior self with your forced attachments with people who have consistently rejected you 😂😂😂😂Even ameachi in the last arise interview stated clearly, that majority of ikwerres don’t identify with ibos, it is on the internet you can clear your doubt since you lack shame, you can continue to deceive your poor self😂😂 |
| Re: Itsekiri And Olukumi Form Alliance, Share History, Celebrate Exchange (Pics) by IyfeNamikaze(m): 11:14pm On Jun 10, 2025 |
Konquest:This is utter nonsense! At what time did igala capture Igbo? Which part of igbo did they capture? Where were the igala during the Aro confederacy that existed had existed for more than a hundred before the Brits came and dismantled it? This stupid narrative of Igbo being slaves to igala and inheriting their name from them is a concocted story that can only be found in the stables of Reno Omokry
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| Re: Itsekiri And Olukumi Form Alliance, Share History, Celebrate Exchange (Pics) by Zeebuy: 11:33pm On Jun 10, 2025 |
success1smyn:The day the Igbo parts of Delta held a ceremony to rejoin their Igbo folks, these Yoruba people were jumping all over the thread, saying all sorts of rubbish. Did you not see that thread? You guys are funny o, are you now land-grabbers? That's what your tribesmen called Igbos on that thread |
| Re: Itsekiri And Olukumi Form Alliance, Share History, Celebrate Exchange (Pics) by Zeebuy: 11:36pm On Jun 10, 2025 |
zero8zero:Are you now admitting there are Ìgbos outside the SE? I thought you used to say they're confined in their 5 plots of land |
| Re: Itsekiri And Olukumi Form Alliance, Share History, Celebrate Exchange (Pics) by Tonitoniton(m): 11:41pm On Jun 10, 2025 |
zero8zero:You and your likes go learn |
| Re: Itsekiri And Olukumi Form Alliance, Share History, Celebrate Exchange (Pics) by Tonitoniton(m): 11:42pm On Jun 10, 2025 |
Gbajure:Binis are same as edos Bini is a superior race to yoruba |
| Re: Itsekiri And Olukumi Form Alliance, Share History, Celebrate Exchange (Pics) by IyfeNamikaze(m): 11:49pm On Jun 10, 2025 |
ProudlyLagos:here from the Ikwere, ogba, Etche etc https://www.vanguardngr.com/2025/02/group-says-indigenous-igbos-in-rivers-part-of-ndigbo-ethnic-nationality/ |
| Re: Itsekiri And Olukumi Form Alliance, Share History, Celebrate Exchange (Pics) by Konquest: 3:00am On Jun 11, 2025*. Modified: 3:17am On Jun 11, 2025 |
IyfeNamikaze:Leave Reno Omokri out of your rants and get your historical facts right. This pure historical information is from advanced archival materials I've been privy to from different credible sources for decades now as as a well-read and internationally well-traveled man. Reno himself doesn't always get his FACTS right (especially when he is not in the best frame of mind due to stress or fatigue), BUT as a UK-educated lawyer, he MUST be commended for always apologizing whenever he is wrong and he indeed does a damn good job of presenting a logical sequence of FACTS and events backed by rock solid sources for further verifications. Second, the screenshots of the internationally respected and advanced books on the Igala conquests of parts of what is now called Iboland and the derogatory origins of the name Ibo (Igbo) denoting a slave of the bush area or ONIGBO in Igala, IGBON in Benin-Edo and ONYE IBO (IGBO) to the Onitsha and Asaba folks were CLEARLY ATTACHED to my NL post which you quoted. Take the time to read through those book screenshots again. Third, just so you know, I have decades of advanced historical knowledge (before many here were even born), so, I ONLY provide accurate historical information backed by credible EVIDENCE and book sources and NOT assumptions like these unschooled young posters and propergandist do online. It is what it is. Read More on the Igala Conquests of Northern Iboland right up to the Asaba area right BELOW VIDEO of Catholic Bishop: Attah of Igala Conquered Northern Igboland (Nsukka) All The Way To Asaba =>https://www.nairaland.com/8089723/catholic-bishop-attah-igala-conquered =>
Ibo-Igala Wars =>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo%25E2%2580%2593Igala_wars Fourth, the Iconic book, "The Igbo-Igala Borderland" [written by an American academic who taught at University of Nigeria, Nsukka back from the 1960s to the 1970s] whose book cover screenshot I also ATTACHED earlier to my post ABOVE CLEARLY states that: "When, in the late eighteenth century, the Igala CONQUERED the indigenous Igbo, they gained and held social control through monopoly of certain..." =>https://sunypress.edu/Books/T/The-Igbo-Igala-Borderland2 The Igala conquests and colonisation of Northern Ibo areas of Northern Enugu especially Nsukka including parts of Anambra (and Northern Delta State) ALSO led to people from these conquered area being sold as SLAVES. The Igala war machine during the Ibo-Igala Wars didn't extend to other parts of what is now the South East. =>https://www.facebook.com/nigeriahistoryupdate/posts/igala-colonisation-of-northern-igbo-communities-1450-18th-centurythe-igala-mega-/ Fifth, again, the screenshots of the advanced book sources I ATTACHED CLEARLY state the accurate and ORIGINAL etymology of the word Ibo (Igbo) which has condescending and derogatory connotations as used by the neighbors of the people now called Ibo unknown to some younger Ibos today who have NO knowledge of the original meaning which means SLAVE or OUT CAST from the bush. This is why the Igala call slaves "ONIGBO," the Benin-Edos used the term "IGBON" and the Asaba and Onitsha refered condescendingly to those in the Ibo interior as "ONYE IBO" (IGBO) because East of river Niger was source of SLAVES for them before 1900 and even well after 1900. Igala being a Yoruboid language (with 65% mutual intelligibility with Yoruba language) has the pure Yoruba word "IGBO" in the word Igala word "ONIGBO" which means bush or forest in Yoruba BUT further means a "slave got from the bush" in Igala hence the derogatory name for slaves, "ONIGBO." The name Ibo (Igbo) as used to describe a tribe east of river Niger had NO positive connotation of ANY kind at all! Ngwa, Owere, Awka, Mbaise, etc, were the names used by the subgroups to individually describe themselves until the advent of the missionaries and the British Colonialists who began to officially use the same condescending term "Ibo" to describe all the interior tribes that now make up the Ibo tribe of today. It's all a British Colonial creation. These FACTS are CLEARLY emphasized upon in the historical archives.
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| Re: Itsekiri And Olukumi Form Alliance, Share History, Celebrate Exchange (Pics) by ProudlyLagos: 6:53am On Jun 11, 2025 |
IyfeNamikaze: nwanne, bikonu rest…..why are you in a desperate attempt to seek validation from people who have consistently rejected you? Have some self respect for yourself you don’t see Yorubas seeking validation from Yorubas in other regions, rather they want to be associated with the larger Yoruba ethnic group in Sw ![]() Just like I said, I have ikwerres friends and even during my service year in owerri, I met some few ikwerres who have vehemently rejected being ibo, or don’t you think they have the right to that? Or how as a small group of people against a larger majority who have vehemently rejected the ibo identity speaking for the generality of ikwerres? Go and watch the interview of ameachi on arise Tv, it’s on the internet incase you missed it he stated clearly that if you ask majority of the ikwerres today, majority will reject being ibo and he belongs to the tiny minority who still identify with his ibo heritage which I believe the group represents so bikonu rest, it’s so nauseating seeing a majority tribe like Igbo seeking for validation from a minority tribe ![]() |
| Re: Itsekiri And Olukumi Form Alliance, Share History, Celebrate Exchange (Pics) by Obiedun(m): 9:45am On Jun 11, 2025 |
IyfeNamikaze:Not at all. He is from Delta. An Urhobo man. Most of them live in Lagos and other parts of Yoruba land hence they speak Yoruba |
| Re: Itsekiri And Olukumi Form Alliance, Share History, Celebrate Exchange (Pics) by success1smyn(m): 10:18am On Jun 11, 2025 |
Zeebuy:I don't argue/discuss with people of low quality brain. How do I recognise one? Anyone that tag all tribe just to make a point is one. |
| Re: Itsekiri And Olukumi Form Alliance, Share History, Celebrate Exchange (Pics) by CyrusVI(m): 12:17pm On Jun 11, 2025 |
Zionmdde:This B-i-g-o-t again You dont really like doing it, but on an Itshekiri thread, na I-gbo matter you carry come here |
| Re: Itsekiri And Olukumi Form Alliance, Share History, Celebrate Exchange (Pics) by CyrusVI(m): 12:23pm On Jun 11, 2025 |
Zionmdde:Ikwerres are coming out to deny their Igbo link, Itshekiri and co are coming out to affirm their Yoruba connection How many times have you seen any Yoruba group lay claims to anything Itshekiri. No one is even asking them to unite with their SW counterpart You, on the other hand, you become angry whenever others deny being Igbo You cant decide for another group |
| Re: Itsekiri And Olukumi Form Alliance, Share History, Celebrate Exchange (Pics) by Zionmdde: 12:28pm On Jun 11, 2025 |
CyrusVI:Deny or affirm doesn't have effect on the roots Meanwhile I don't care who is Igbo or who is not, it adds or reduces nothing from my life. Unlike you guys that want to die on the matter. I just wanted OP to answer my simple question Which you obviously didn't answer Now why is Emeka from delta not igbo while Isinyemeze from delta is yoruba. Incase you missed the question |
| Re: Itsekiri And Olukumi Form Alliance, Share History, Celebrate Exchange (Pics) by IyfeNamikaze(m): 5:29pm On Jun 11, 2025*. Modified: 7:07pm On Jun 11, 2025 |
Konquest:please can you stop spreading this bullshit claims already? In Igala language the term for slave is Ójó pronounced (Oh joh). This refers to individuals captured in wars or treaded during pre colonial times. Although that term is now considered as archaic due to its association with transatlantic slave trade. But that is the word for Slave in ancient Igala during the pre colonial times. In contemporary usage, phrases like ọde eni ( servant) or ọme ọni ( dependant) might be preferred for neutrality. Igala oral traditions sometimes reference slavery in proverbs : Ójó léké égba ògwu ( A Slave who survives becomed a storyteller) As for the term for "OUTCAST" or "SOCIALLY OSTRACIZED PERSON" is Ọ̀mè-ọ̀chè . There are some other contextual variations like Ọ̀me-èfu, ọ̀me-àtọ and Ọ̀me-ọlè. Go and ask any Igala person and they will educate you more on this. So your claims that onigbo or igbo means slaves in Igala is wrong and total bullshit! Anyone who says that should be regarded as a quark and should be ignored because he/she is wrong based on standard Igala language and historical- linguistic evidence, and I'm going to Tell you why As previously established, Ójó is the universally accepted Igala word for Slave across dialects ( Idah, Ankpa, Dekina etc) . Onigbo in Igala means Igbo person (ONI = person, IGBO= igbo ethnic group). It is not synonymous with slave, it's an ethnic identifier just as Onèja means Hausa person. Possible confusion or misinterpretation During the trans Saharan/Atlantic slave trade,some Igbo people were enslaved and sold through Igala middlemen (e.g at the Aboh and Idah slave markets). so overtime some outsiders or even locals might have conflated the ethnic term Onigbo with slavery due to this history . And if we look at academic sources, John Idakwoji's Igala-English lexicon confirms that Ójó is the correct term in Igala linguistics. And Modern Igala communities reject Onigbo as meaning slavery because it's an ethnic libel. So while some Igbo people were sold as slaves, their ethnic name ≠ the word for Slavery. HERE ARE DIRECT QUOTES FROM HISTORICAL TEXTS, PROVERBS, SCHOLARLY SOURCES That disproves the claims that igbo/Onigbo means slaves in Igala and affirms that Ójó is the correct term. "THE IGALA KINGDOM" (1972) by J.S Boston: "The Igala referes to slaves generally as Ójó, whether captured or through war, trade or punishment. The term Onigbo was preserved solely for Igbo neighbours not servitude" "THE NIGERIAN HINTERLAND SLAVE TRADE" (1989) by A.J.N Tremeane: "At the Idah slave markets, records show that slaves were called Ójó, regardless of ethnicity, the term Igbo appears only to describe captives of igbo origin, not as synonym for slavery Here are also proverbs in Igala Ójó léké égba ògwu, Òméja léké égba ògwu ( A Slave who survives becomes a storyteller, a free person who survives becomes a storyteller) Átá y'Ójó kome y'ọmeja (The king's slave and the king's freeborn are not equal) Also If you check the Igala-English lexicon dictionary (2015) by John Idawoji: Ójó: n, Slave, servant≠ Onigbo(n, Igbo person) A GRAMMAR OF IGALA(2020) by E.J Alagoa "No lexical or archival evidence supports "Onigbo" as slave in Igala. This conflation likely stems from 19th century slave trade narratives misinterpreting ethnic labels" This whole misinformation likely stems from post ethnic stigma or interethnic tensions, but linguistic rigor and historical records dispel it. Go read those books I referenced and cure your ignorance. There's an Igala dictionary, look for it also. Ask any Igala person whether what I wrote here is bullshit or not. Not even a single Igala person would agree with you on your fake and quark theories. |
| Re: Itsekiri And Olukumi Form Alliance, Share History, Celebrate Exchange (Pics) by IyfeNamikaze(m): 7:04pm On Jun 11, 2025*. Modified: 7:29pm On Jun 11, 2025 |
Konquest:As for the Igala conquering and colonising the Igbo people, the relationship between the Igbo and Igala was complex, involving periods of conflicts, cultural exchange and political tension. But outright conquest of igbo Lands by the Igala is debated by historians. The Igala kingdom ( present day Kogi) under the Attah of Igala expanded southward into northern Igbo areas ( e.g Nsukka, Enugu -Ezike, Nkpologu) between the 17th-19th centuries. Igala warriors established and levied some Igbo communities but they didn't fully conquer them in the sense of permanent occupation , they were conducting raids, capturing and selling Igbo people in slave markets in Aboh and Idah. However, northern Igbo groups like Umunri, Nsukka resisted the Igala and by 19th century many had regained autonomy. "THE IGALA KINGDOM" by J.S Boston (1968) "the Igala exacted tribute from border Igbo communities, but lacked administrative machinery for direct rule. Their influence was mere cultural than imperial" "IGBO -IGALA RELATIONS by A.E Afigbo(1981) "the Igala raids were disruptive but did not constitute conquest, igbo societies absorbed and resisted the Igala pressure in equal measure " So although the igala exerted military pressure and cultural influence on the northern Igbo communities, They didn't achieve sustained conquest. The relationship was more about raids, trade and intermittent dominance than wholesale subjugation. As the Igala kingdom expanded southward under Attah Ayegba Ọma idoko( mostly just around Enugu) they clashed with Umunri a powerful Igbo group near Nsukka. The Igala initially gained control and levied taxes like yams, slaves. However the Umunri rebelled and reclaimed autonomy. Even the Igalas Ogurugu campaigning ended in a stalemate, they couldn't gain control there. They also attacked Izzi-igbo in present day Abakiliki but the locals fought them off using guerilla tactics. Also, at Ụzọ uwani in 1850s, when the Igala demanded tribute from Akụ igbo, The Aku people led by a woman named Omu okwei poisoned Igala tax collectors and burned their outposts. The Igala had to withdraw from there. So indeed the Igala won some battles but they couldn't maintain any hold on Igbo land long enough due to Igbo resistance and decentralised government. So please stop spreading all these quark theories that has no truth in it. The Igala Never conquered any major part of igbo Land. And also Igbo or onigbo doesn't mean slave in Igala. So it's totally bullshit to say that the Igala who couldn't even conquer up to 20 percent of Igbo land where the ones who termed them Igbo, that's complete nonsense! The Igala couldn't even hold a place for long and couldn't fully subjugate the Igbo fully, so how possible is it that they regarded them as slaves or conquered people especially when it's just border communities that they encountered? Igbo people in the hinterlands have been calling themselves IGBO or ndígbo for centuries and they never encountered the Igala. So please go and your ass one side with that your quark theories, scholars have refuted this bullshit already. |
| Re: Itsekiri And Olukumi Form Alliance, Share History, Celebrate Exchange (Pics) by RedboneSmith(m): 6:02am On Jun 12, 2025 |
Ttipsy:Because Olukumi people also bear Ìgbò names. Can't you see that the Oloza's surname "Isinyemeze" is an Ìgbò name too? |
| Re: Itsekiri And Olukumi Form Alliance, Share History, Celebrate Exchange (Pics) by RedboneSmith(m): 6:07am On Jun 12, 2025 |
Christlike01:His father is Urhobo. His mother is Itsekiri. In all extant African cultures, paternal descent is emphasised over maternal descent. Thus, rightly, Reno should be Urhobo. Omokri is an Urhobo name, not Itsekiri. But for some reason, Reno is ashamed of his paternal heritage and clings exclusively to his maternal descent. |
| Re: Itsekiri And Olukumi Form Alliance, Share History, Celebrate Exchange (Pics) by RedboneSmith(m): 6:17am On Jun 12, 2025 |
Abagworo:That claim has already been made. There are Olukumi people who believe that they got there before the other Aniocha people came there to settle. That is why they also call themselves "Odiani" which means "people that have been on the ground" (before others), i.e., autochtones. |
| Re: Itsekiri And Olukumi Form Alliance, Share History, Celebrate Exchange (Pics) by Christlike01: 2:39pm On Jun 12, 2025 |
RedboneSmith:Reno is whoever he says he is, and besides, I don't think anyone can claim to know him better than he knows himself. Reno is not Urhobo; he is Itsekiri. |
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