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musicwriter:
What nation did your Bible say were the first people in the world?

You are practically impossible. Keep moving the goal post. Maybe, it helps you sleep well at night.

My bible never mentioned any nation. Which place does yours point to.

motymop:
The "Jews" from eastern Europe are Ashkenazi Jews and they are the majority.

Jews in northern Africa are called Mizrahim, these are the people that direct link to the land.

Ashkenazi Jews are converts are speak Yiddish, they have no trace to Israel of old. But they control all positions in Israel while discriminating against others.

So, instead of arguing, let me educate you. Below is a link, you are welcome.
[url]https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2016/03/08/identity/#:~:text=Israeli%20Jews%20are%20nearly%20evenly%20split%20between,(45%25)%20and%20the%20Sephardim%20or%20Mizrahim%20(48%25).&text=While%20Ashkenazim%20are%20closely%20divided%20among%20those,is%20that%20they%20are%20Jewish%20first%20(53%25).
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The lesson here is, don't depend on what you are told in beer parlours. Don't be lazy to research and learn for yourself.

360degreess:
It is not.You see many Africans are ignorant about the Jews.The Jews practice Judaism as their religion and it is not the same as Christianity.The Jews hate both Christians and Muslims.Infact, they consider Christianity as the most downgraded religion.Do you know that there are far more Muslims in Israel than Christians?,also there are far more mosques in Israel than there are churches?. But most Christians are not aware that is why they see Jews as their gods.

Don't mind them. Majority of them are not only ignorants but also religion bigots. They sided Isreal thinking that they are supporting their fellow Christians.
Likewise Muslims who ignorantly take side with Iran lack proper knowledge of the ongoing war.

Obrigardo:
I'm asking a legitimate question
Is the state of Israel founded in 1948 still the same Israel in the Bible?

Absolutely not.

Modern Israel was founded by European jews who are converts and descendants of converts.

These European jews were displaced after world war 2, and used the political ideology of Zionism (and not the judaic theology of the 1st covenant) to settle in Palestinian and declare it Israel. These European colonizers are not semitic and not indigenous to the land.

Remember, Judaism is just a religion and not a race despite attempts to rewrite the narrative.

A few things to note:

Palestinians are largely Muslim, Christian and Jewish, are semitic, and descended from the ancient Canaanites.

These Palestinian jews, Muslims and Christians are the indigenous owners of the land known historically as Palestine and Judah. The Palestinian jews were absorbed into the new Israeli ethnostate, as well as a few Muslim Palestinians.

But majority of the Arabic-speaking Palestinians (both Christian and Muslim) are the ones under the apartheid government of Israel.

Why is this Israel not the biblical Israel?

1. From the biblical perspective the 1st covenant has not been fulfilled, so the biblical jews are condemned to a diasporic life until they return to Elohim.

2. A jew is simply a follower of Judaism, just as a Christian is a follower of Christianity. It's not an ethnicity or race, it's a religion. These modern jews came from Europe, absorbed the indigenous semitic jews, and created a colony.

3. Israel is not a place, it's a person. It's the name given to Jacob, grandson of Abraham. However, since Abraham himself is not indigenous to the land of the Canaanites (that was promised Jacob in the old testament) it means Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were neither Hebrews nor Canaanites and therefore not original owners of the land. Abraham came from Ur, now known as Iraq, he was an Iraqi and not a philistine, or Hebrew.

4. Only believers of the Abrahamic religions can claim that god indeed promised Canaan to Jacob/Israel. Should one religious book backed only by dogma and no other evidence be the basis for determining ancient divine promises? A Hindu or an atheist will certainly not base any land conflict on the Abrahamic Scriptures as fact or proof.

5. The modern Israel used the scriptures as basis for claiming prophesied ownership, and these European colonizers gave their newly seized country the name "Israel" to suggest a link to Jacob and the early patriarchy of Judaism. This European contraption came into existence in 1948.

6. There's absolutely no literary evidence of the Exodus, contemporaneous or otherwise, nor archaeological, cultural, or scientific evidence of any mass exodus. A few jews did flee the Roman onslaught during the Jewish uprising and settled in Europe, thereby bringing their religion to the European converts whose descendants are now claiming divine ownership and a right of return.

Most uninformed Nigerians believe that the European Ashkenazi, Sephardic, and purely Caucasian Jewish converts are the same people from the land over 3,000 years ago, and apparently do not know these migrants came by boats from Europe and settled there.

In a nutshell, the country known as Israel occupies the lands mentioned in the holy scriptures, but the Zionist entity there has almost nothing to do with the biblical and historical semitic Kingdom of Judah, Philistine and Canaan.

sreamsense:
Weather is a christian by mouth or action is not your business to weigh because he is not serving you. It is part of the history of America, Trumb only reminded them. It was not foreign to them because they all agree they are christian nation. So, Trump invited pastors all over the world to serve as a reminder of their history and where they belong. They are mature enough to tell you where they belong or do you want to change their history for them?

E be like say you dey ment? As an American citizen he's surely serving me....All the gibberish you wrote does not change the fact that 30% of Americans don't even believe in God or don't believe in religion. Save your energy, we wey dey inside know as e dey go, by 2040, half the population would be religiously unaffiliated.......Dey Play!

Karleb:
No.

Also Israelite are not Christians, they practice Judaism.

But I am not gonna lie, I want them to crush Iran.

Why do you want them to crush Iran??

lordally:
Why do you want them to crush Iran??

Because of terrorism.

You see Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan, they low key love Islamic jihadists and are always the ones killing and stabbing in Europe. They feel it's their right to islamize everywhere.


They always have one Islamic mandate or the other to the country that welcome them and treat them better than their home country.

abbey621:
E be like say you dey ment? As an American citizen he's surely serving me....All the gibberish you wrote does not change the fact that 30% of Americans don't even believe in God or don't believe in religion. Save your energy, we wey dey inside know as e dey go, by 2040, half the population would be religiously unaffiliated.......Dey Play!

So far the majority proffess and identify as christians, then issues have been settled because majority carries the vote as in population context. An to cause more headache, mr president identify himself as a christian and profess being emphatically christian and even traced history of America and her leaders as christians. At moment call america what they call themselves, they are mature enough to understand whom they are. It is the love and freedom of that nation that Jesus taught them to be their brother's keeper that make them adopt you as a "conditional citizen".

Truely, in your mind; you know you were not created by God as American. If you like form more Americana than original american, it is the love of Christ their forefathers read, followed and handed over to present generation that made them adopt you to share their benefits with you. If you make America vess too much, they may depot you and show you your location address in africa where you belong.

sreamsense:
So far the majority proffess and identify as christians, then issues have been settled because majority carries the vote as in population context. An to cause more headache, mr president identify himself as a christian and profess being emphatically christian and even traced history of America and her leaders as christians. At moment call america what they call themselves, they are mature enough to understand whom they are. It is the love and freedom of that nation that Jesus taught them to be their brother's keeper that make them adopt you as a "conditional citizen".

Truely, in your mind; you know you were not created by God as American. If you like form more Americana than original american, it is the love of Christ their forefathers read, followed and handed over to present generation that made them adopt you to share their benefits with you. If you make America vess too much, they may depot you and show you your location address in africa where you belong.

Rambing of an ignorant boy, some of us have invested heavily both in America and in Nigeria, in fact I'm counting down the years when I can comfortbaly retire to Nigeria.......Your words are oftufete, na your mate wey no get vision you fit dey use that religious brainwashing on, NOT ME!

abbey621:
Rambing of an ignorant boy, some of us have invested heavily both in America and in Nigeria, in fact I'm counting down the years when I can comfortbaly retire to Nigeria.......Your words are oftufete, na your mate wey no get vision you fit dey use that religious brainwashing on, NOT ME!

If you like, tell Elon Musk to carry you to space and begin your investment there, so far I never beg you for food or money; your money is not valuable to me and my money is not valuable to you either. You don't need much grammar, with your adequate functional education if you have one, you should know majority carry the vote as in the context of america population calling themselves christians. You don't need all Oxford or Harvard degrees to know that. And if you like also, you may retire tomorrow. How does that affect me? Dangote does not need to be in America before he becomes richer than many Americans who are even born in America and homeless in the land fills with milk and honey as many may call it. Success is not in your location, success is not in the color of your skin, success is not in your education. Success is in you, you are the carrier if success if you understand the concept.

If I come to America today for a visit, I will still employ some americans for some services and pay them from the money I generate from Nigeria and even dash them money as I wish. So, being pity by americans to listen to your cry from africa when you ran to them is because the christian values their forefathers handed over to them to be their brother's keepers is the benefit they are sharing with you. I wonder when Pakistan or Saudi Arabia will give you that kind of opportunity.

tctrills:
When was the last time Jews attacked someone because he was a Christian? Send me the link.

I was not even looking.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pujnTC1Oszo

31:52

aswani:
You obviously never lived in Israel or don't care to enlighten yourself as to how much Hard core Hasidic Jews look down on and hate Christians.

Go and stand next to a Jew and call Jesus the messiah. You will realise Christians and Jews have problems with each other.

U are talking of going to live in Israel. What about the nigeria we are living in are Christian are Muslims getting along. Even In Christianity Jews have a special place cos they are people of the promise. Jesus came for the gentiles to bring them into the fold of promise that the jews already enjoy. Christianity is not a religion per se it is truth and life. Read ur Bible.

mrvitalis:
Which year was Jordan founded
Syria nko?
Lebanon nko

Why focus on isreal

Answer the question before diversion. Biblical Israel or 1948 Israel?

aribisala0:
Arabs welcome black people to Mecca. Does not mean they love them

They love the revenue they bring

That is not a logical argument

It is very immature thinking

They don't like black and they researched, received and celebrated black isrealis from Russian and Ethiopia??

Hatred wan finish and becloud you.


Type "black lost tribe of isreal" and "Ethiopian isreali" on Google.


Arab uses black as slaves even during Muhammad era.

You aren't talking about black muslims who can not even get an arabian land,lady or support despite being a fellow Muslim.

Our people are the ones forming attaches to Arab.

This thread is scary, I knew Nigerian Christianity was based mainly on tithes and offering, I didn't realise the high level of ignorance about Jews, Judaism and the state of Israel that would result in.

There was a time we used to laugh at Nigerian Muslims and their weird fanatism towards Saudi Arabia and Arabs, oh dear!

sreamsense:
Weather is a christian by mouth or action is not your business to weigh because he is not serving you. It is part of the history of America, Trumb only reminded them. It was not foreign to them because they all agree they are christian nation. So, Trump invited pastors all over the world to serve as a reminder of their history and where they belong. They are mature enough to tell you where they belong or do you want to change their history for them?

One of the founding tenets of the American constitution is the separation of religion and state, where are you getting your stuff from about their Christian history?

By the way, Trump isn't a Christian, he can't tell people his favourite bible passage (Google the interview where it happened), he held the Bible upside down to take pictures last time he was president, no one can point to the church in Florida, New York or now Washington DC that he worships.

Also, all but one of his children are Jews, I don't know about his last born, not Christian. I am sure you know the difference and there is a big huge difference.

With respect, your post has no basis in fact or reality.

aswani:
One of the founding tenets of the American constitution is the separation of religion and state, where are you getting your stuff from about their Christian history?

By the way, Trump isn't a Christian, he can't tell people his favourite bible passage (Google the interview where it happened), he held the Bible upside down to take pictures last time he was president, no one can point to the church in Florida, New York or now Washington DC that he worships.


Also, all but one of his children are Jews, I don't know about his last born, not Christian. I am sure you know the difference and there is a big huge difference.

With respect, your post has no basis in fact or reality.

How has one of his children being a Jew defined whom the father is? Because Tinubu is a Muslim, means his children must be Muslim in your own thinking, right? And has how he held Bible upside down disqualify him from being a christian he called himself? Did Jesus tells Christians to turn bible in a particular direction before you can qualify as his follower or what because your logics are just too empty? So, just to discredit his identity of whom he emphatically call himself as christian, you have to go extra miles to bring cut and join logic that never add up to whom he called himself. He is promoting bring bible to school and not bring other religion books. He keeps inviting pastors and narrated america history as christian nation and their christian leader. Aside that, christian remains majority religion of Americans with or without Trump validation. America has highest numbers of Christian population worldwide. And if you google their population by religion, Christianity still remains the highest. What is the point in debating otherwise without proofs or statistics to back your claims?

As at today, call america what they call themselves. They are christian country and they love being identified as one.

PepeXKermit:
I was not even looking.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pujnTC1Oszo

31:52

You were definitely looking. But then I watched your video it says nothing about Jews targeting christians . It seems you are all about wasting my time. Let's get serious here.
It would have been better if you did not reply than you showing your dishonesty and making me go through a foolish video.

aswani:
This thread is scary, I knew Nigerian Christianity was based mainly on tithes and offering, I didn't realise the high level of ignorance about Jews, Judaism and the state of Israel that would result in.

There was a time we used to laugh at Nigerian Muslims and their weird fanatism towards Saudi Arabia and Arabs, oh dear!

You just wake up one morning to attack Christians because they don't agree with you. The funny thing is that when given a chance to lay down your argument, you would have little or no facts to back it.

aswani:
One of the founding tenets of the American constitution is the separation of religion and state, where are you getting your stuff from about their Christian history?

By the way, Trump isn't a Christian, he can't tell people his favourite bible passage (Google the interview where it happened), he held the Bible upside down to take pictures last time he was president, no one can point to the church in Florida, New York or now Washington DC that he worships.

Also, all but one of his children are Jews, I don't know about his last born, not Christian. I am sure you know the difference and there is a big huge difference.

With respect, your post has no basis in fact or reality.

Don't bother with the ignoramus, even when presented with facts he still rambles on, a country where kids are strictly forbidden to discuss the bible inside school can never ever be a Christian country.....Dude simply does not get it and he's on some mistaken fantasy that Trump would change all that

aswani:
One of the founding tenets of the American constitution is the separation of religion and state...

How has there separation of religion from state functions translated to they are not christian country when majority of their population if you google it even since america independence has been Christianity. This is a country that preaches freedom of religion to accommodate religions of others as well to share the love of Christ their fore fathers implanted in them.

So Nigeria is not a religion country because they separate religion from state function constitutionally, right? In the case of Nigeria, the religion population is evenly or nearly evenly distributed, so you can talk about neutrality. But case of america is different, right from independence Christianity has been the dominant.
Separating religion from state function is not only peculiar to america, is just to caution that there is time for everything. Time for religion function shouldn't be mixed up with time of rendering service. And so that Catholic or Anglican or pentecostal or others will not interrupt their individual belief into civil service.

It is for functionality and effective service delivery and to avoid having religion clashes based on distinct ideologies that may want to influence their state functions and effective service delivery. It has nothing to do with weather USA is a christian country or not. USA has been a christian nation from inception and will continue to identify as christian. So separation of state function from religion is not peculiar to america, it is for effective service delivery purposes and not to disqualify them as a christian country

sreamsense:
How has one of his children being a Jew defined whom the father is? Because Tinubu is a Muslim, means his children must be Muslim in your own thinking, right? And has how he held Bible upside down disqualify him from being a christian he called himself? Did Jesus tells Christians to turn bible in a particular direction before you can qualify as his follower or what because your logics are just too empty? So, just to discredit his identity of whom he emphatically call himself as christian, you have to go extra miles to bring cut and join logic that never add up to whom he called himself. He is promoting bring bible to school and not bring other religion books. He keeps inviting pastors and narrated america history as christian nation and their christian leader. Aside that, christian remains majority religion of Americans with or without Trump validation. America has highest numbers of Christian population worldwide. And if you google their population by religion, Christianity still remains the highest. What is the point in debating otherwise without proofs or statistics to back your claims?

As at today, call america what they call themselves. They are christian country and they love being identified as one.

The US is not a Christian country, their constitution is based on the separation of religion and state. That was what their founding fathers explicutky declared.

All but one of his children are Jews, not the other way round, did you read what I wrote?

He doesn't go to church and only rambled on about so called Christian values to win votes of Christians.

What does it mean by someone emphatically calling themselves Christian? He has never been known before elections to call himself a Christian or even display basic Christian values of tolerance.

Where have you seen or heard him "promote bible in school" or "narrated American history as a Christian nation", whatever those things mean?

abbey621:
Don't bother with the ignoramus, even when presented with facts he still rambles on, a country where kids are strictly forbidden to discuss the bible inside school can never ever be a Christian country.....Dude simply does not get it and he's on some mistaken fantasy that Trump would change all that

Thanks, I really should give up on some of these people as you suggested.

tctrills:
You just wake up one morning to attack Christians because they don't agree with you. The funny thing is that when given a chance to lay down your argument, you would have little or no facts to back it.

Where did I attack Nigerian Christians, is tithes and offering not a core tenent of Nigerian Christianity?

What don't they agree with me about exactly and what facts has anyone presented to back up their argument?

Now you are making me sound like lexy2014 asking questions willy nilly like say I go kpai if I nor ask?

Why not present facts to back your own arguments against what I have said, at least you can show me how it's done, àbi?

EXPRESSSMAN:
Why is it absurd for you. Is it that after the biblical times, all the Jews died off, no reproduction of new humans?
Well, they are the offsprings of the biblical Jews because their life did not stop at any point. Secondly, the Bible predicted all that is happening in Israel to the present day. The restoration of 1948 and all the wars that followed till date were predicted by the Bible.

Lol...🫤
The fact that the Bible is your point of reference in this discussion makes me realise there is no need for me to engage you any further in this discussion.
Even Benjamin Netanyahu would never point to the Bible as his point of reference in the present day conflict. However you are free to make the Bible your point of reference.
My sincere advise to you is that you do research on these issues. Your first assignment should be to find out the origin of the Bible itself.
Lol.....😊

abbey621:
Don't bother with the ignoramus, even when presented with facts he still rambles on, a country where kids are strictly forbidden to discuss the bible inside school can never ever be a Christian country.....Dude simply does not get it and he's on some mistaken fantasy that Trump would change all that

aswani:
.....

Show me the facts you have presented to me than trying to prove to be more Americana than original American? The two of you are heading to the same wrong directions. Right from the independence and america existence, the most populous religion of america is Christianity undisputable. And Trump has always being identified as christian. Show me where Trump tells you he is not a Christian or that he is a Muslim or atheist. And show me where ever any other religion has been more than christian population in america since independence. You will not find one, but you will keep arguing what you don't understand. Even the Wikipedia of Trump tells you he is a christian, so why arguing instead of presenting fact and humble to learn.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_and_religion#:~:text=However%2C%20in%20October%202020%2C%20Trump,with%20Applied%20and%20Charismatic%20Christianity.

When Trump said he is bringing religion back to america, is it other religions aside Christianity you think he was talking about? Here is another fact for you.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-jokes-his-admin-forget-about-separation-church-state-were-bringing-religion-back.amp

So, USA remains Christian state from inception through the independence and till date. No religion has ever overtaken Christianity. So ,stop argument; accept the reality. Call them whom the call themselves, they are mature enough to know whom they are.Ok?

tctrills:
You were definitely looking. But then I watched your video it says nothing about Jews targeting christians . It seems you are all about wasting my time. Let's get serious here.
It would have been better if you did not reply than you showing your dishonesty and making me go through a foolish video.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/report-shows-rise-in-attacks-on-christians-in-israel-but-a-willingness-to-tackle-issue/
https://acninternational.org/attacks-on-christians-increasing-in-israel/
https://www.jerusalemstory.com/en/article/jewish-violence-against-christians-rise-jerusalem

like i said I was not even looking....

PepeXKermit:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/report-shows-rise-in-attacks-on-christians-in-israel-but-a-willingness-to-tackle-issue/
https://acninternational.org/attacks-on-christians-increasing-in-israel/
https://www.jerusalemstory.com/en/article/jewish-violence-against-christians-rise-jerusalem

like i said I was not even looking....

Are you trying to be funny, after giving false information you then begin your research to find any isolated case of Jews being mean to christians and yet you fail.
You definitely put in a lot of effort yet you could not even point to a Christian being killed by a jew.
You and I can point to thousands of cases of christians being killed by Moslems in the last 5 years
Obviously there are wicked Jews who hate christians and evil christians who hate Jews but it has taken you over 12 hours and you can't see a single christian who was killed by Jews for his religion.
Doesn't this teach you something?

abbey621:
Don't bother with the ignoramus, even when presented with facts he still rambles on, a country where kids are strictly forbidden to discuss the bible inside school can never ever be a Christian country.....Dude simply does not get it and he's on some mistaken fantasy that Trump would change all that

aswani:
...

Lastly, under Trump Wikipedia. Under Section: After 2020 Sub-Heading, read this bolded part:



.....
In 2024, Trump began to sell special editions of the King James Version of the Bible that contained copies of the founding documents of the United States, known as the God Bless the U.S.A. Bible.[39][40] Trump has a personal collection of Bibles.[41]....



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_and_religion#:~:text=However

Now, you can see how I buried the argument with facts now, America is a christian nation from the inception and their fore-fathers transferred the love of Jesus Christ and being your neighbor keeper.

That is why they champion preaching freedom for humanity. And being a christian nation and what their forefathers that are christian pass from president to president is to love Jews as Bible told them, that is why God keeps blessing America as bible promised. So, now you know that USA is a christian nation, write it down in your diary and don't ever repeat this argument anywhere again. Shallom

PepeXKermit:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/report-shows-rise-in-attacks-on-christians-in-israel-but-a-willingness-to-tackle-issue/
https://acninternational.org/attacks-on-christians-increasing-in-israel/
https://www.jerusalemstory.com/en/article/jewish-violence-against-christians-rise-jerusalem

like i said I was not even looking....

Please read my response in my first reply but then I forgot to tell you, that my own church was burnt by Moslems not Jews so we know the real enemy. Do not give us new enemies. We know the people that kill us in Nigeria, Sudan, Egypt, Libya, Iraq, Syria.
In less than 15 years the percentage of christians in Syria reduced by over 400%.
Over 90% of the Christian population of Nagorno-Karabakh have fled their homes. Then you can read about the evil treatment of christians in Iran.
We know our enemies and they are not the Jews.