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Christians says the bases of their belief is Jesus's dead and ressurections.

Did these events really happened?

Aside from the Bible, are there any other written or archaeological evidence that Jesus actually died and rose from the dead after three days?

Jesus's birth was a mystery!
He didn't die! He did ressurect and no one witnessed anything! All those narrating the conjectures were never eye witnesses!

The longer endings of Mark 16:19-20 were forged and added to the context! That's why it's not available in some Bible versions!

I am an evidence
They’re so many evidence in the world

AntiChristian:
Jesus's birth was a mystery!
He didn't die! He did ressurect and no one witnessed anything! All those narrating the conjectures were never eye witnesses!

The longer endings of Mark 16:19-20 were forged and added to the context! That's why it's not available in some Bible versions!

.why don't u never see your own hypocrisy? U rush to call anything about Jesus lies in the bible or torah .... But you don't see the flaw in Quran/ prophet's claims that an illiterate memorized hundreds of pages of a book with no single error, given by an angel, with no record of proof or any one alive or dead as witness...

Don't get me wrong...I'm not saying your prophets claims are not true ....I'm just pointing out your double standards and hypocrisy to you

Obviously there's none, zero, nada, zilch. Even the bible that makes the claim can't harmonize said claim and is contradictory af. It is factual to say he never resurrected, crucified like a common criminal, and remained dead as one.

Jesus is not the first dying and rising saviour gods or demogods. His story is not unique. His story is a compost of various myths and legend and a sprinkling of some facts and names from Josephus works, like the two trials of Jesus ben panthera. That is why I still believe that the gospel attributed to Mark was actually written by Eusebius. He is the one that has the original copies of the works of Josephus.
They also have the Tanakh in their left hand.

ErebeOcoco:
Christians says the bases of their belief is Jesus's dead and ressurections.

Did these events really happened?

Aside from the Bible, are there any other written or archaeological evidence that Jesus actually died and rose from the dead after three days?

Yes. This is proven by the fact that foreigner (the Romans) used Him to promote their interest.

The big fish story is the story that was only captured in the narrative according to Mathew where he said that an earthquake occured and the graves of the "saints " were opened and they rose and appeared to many.
Most Jews liked to be buried in Jerusalem, so you are talking of a battalion of people walking in the city and nobody else noticed it....very funny isn't it.?
What will people not do to sell a religion.
The word "saint" is a Catholic word, it is used after the canonization of a man or woman who has lived a righteous life. So what is a Catholic word doing in a supposed Hebrew scripture The bigger fish....
All hogwash.

There is none outside the Bible because Jesus only showed himself to his friends after his resurrection. John 14:19
That's why the Jews like Saul (a Pharisee) was bitterly attacking Christians thinking they were lying not until Jesus appeared to him.
So the same thing is happening today as Jesus returned in the year 1914 to help his disciples form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers yet many are expecting to see him whereas the angel that appeared to Jesus' friends during his ascension told them:

“Men of Galʹi·lee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus who was taken up from you into the sky will come in the same manner as you have seen him going into the sky.” Act 1:11

*Was Jesus' departure publicly announced for all Judeans to know?
*Did unbelievers know about Jesus' resurrection?
*Did all his disciples witnessed his departure or those present told them?

Remember Jesus' return will be unannounced so that only his true friends will tell anyone who is interested to know how he returned!

ErebeOcoco:
✓ Christians says the bases of their belief is Jesus's dead and ressurections. Did these events really happened? Aside from the Bible, are there any other written or archaeological evidence that Jesus actually died and rose from the dead after three days?

What other written or archeological evidence would suffice?

AntiChristian:
✓ Jesus's birth was a mystery!
He didn't die! He did ressurect and no one witnessed anything! All those narrating the conjectures were never eye witnesses!
The longer endings of Mark 16:19-20 were forged and added to the context!That's why it's not available in some Bible versions!

Forged and added to the context by whom and when did this take place?

Kobojunkie:
Forged and added to the context by whom, when?

The Romans/Greeks who created Christianity..
The Jews don't have the idea of gods mating with virgin women. It is a Greco -Roman ideology/myth. The Jewish Messiah is a man with no magical powers.

22jumpstreet:
✓ The Romans/Greeks who created Christianity..
✓ The Jews don't have the idea of gods mating with virgin women. It is a Greco -Roman ideology/myth. The Jewish Messiah is a man with no magical powers.

1. Interesting claim! So what proof do you have that the document was edited, not by Jews, but by Romans?

And please, none of those bullsheet reasoning like that from your previous thread where you attempted what you claimed a scoring of Jesus Christ of Israel by a Law which you seem to have no darn respect for. 🙄🙄🙄🙄

2. This statement does not follow. What in the world does resurrection have to do with virginity? What is this one going on about now?

Kobojunkie:
Forged and added to the context by whom and when?

Some early church fathers, like Eusebius and Jerome (3rd to 4th century), indicated that the longer ending was not found in the copies of Mark they were familiar with, suggesting it was a later addition.

The content of the longer ending includes themes and elements that are more aligned with later Christian beliefs, which some argue indicates it was added to align Mark's Gospel with the developing theology of the early church.

It's of also of great note that the language and style of the longer ending differ significantly from the rest of the Gospel of Mark. This stylistic inconsistency suggests it may not have been written by the same author.

advanceDNA:
.why don't u never see your own hypocrisy? U rush to call anything about Jesus lies in the bible or torah .... But you don't see the flaw in Quran/ prophet's claims that an illiterate memorized hundreds of pages of a book with no single error, given by an angel, with no record of proof or any one alive or dead as witness...

Don't get me wrong...I'm not saying your prophets claims are not true ....I'm just pointing out your double standards and hypocrisy to you

"No record of proof or anyone alive or dead?"

Don't you know about the "Hajj tradition"? Or the rich tradition of Islam that has been passed down from generations to generations?

Fact check this:

The Qur'an has been memorized wholly and passed down in its original language of Arabic for generations!

What's the original biblical language?
In which language was it written?
Does it still exist in those languages?
When did it start existing in those languages?
Who has ever memorized it in its original language?

AntiChristian:
Fact check this:

The Qur'an has been memorized wholly and passed down in its original language of Arabic for generations!

Lol... ..What has the language the bible was written and translated to go to do with your Quran...? If the bible ddnt exist how will u Muslims even prove your Quran as authentic ?? because u the translation of the bible seems to be like the gospel u Muslims preach everywhere u go.

Relax and get what I am saying: an illiterate saw and angel in a cave and memorized hundreds of pages of Quran with no error......don't get me wrong...I never said it ddnt happen.... Let's assume it happened 100%.>>>.still, they are just claims of one man...it can't be fact checked for error.....because he's the judge, jury and executioner of his Quran.....no one was there to ensure quality assurance, dual control, etc....it is by faith that u believe....there is no actual proof in line with logic...

So the truth u are ignoring is that ur Quran has no real validation of its own...it was written to antagonize the bible and torah...so it needs to invalidate the the two previous account to give it validation and not be seen as an ordinary copy..... And that's why u see that u Mvslims preach more about invalidating the bible that your own quran......

How u Mvslims don't see this baffles me....

advanceDNA:
Lol... ..What has the language the bible was written and translated to go to do with your Quran...? If the bible ddnt exist how will u Muslims even prove your Quran as authentic ?? because u the translation of the bible seems to be like the gospel u Muslims preach everywhere u go.

I should ask you what the Qur'an has to do with your frivolous questions here? The Bible is not a standard for the Qur'an! The Torah, Injeel and Zabur were the lost books the Qur'an confirmed! The Bible does not exist anywhere in the Qur'an. Even the name "Bible" started to exist after the Qur'an was already in existence in the Qur'an itself. The Qur'an is authentic in itself and with the traditions that exists with it. Everything in the Bible is corrupted except whatever the Qur'an confirms!

Relax and get what I am saying: an illiterate saw and angel in a cave and memorized hundreds of pages of Quran with no error......don't get me wrong...I never said it ddnt happen.... Let's assume it happened 100%.>>>.still, they are just claims of one man...it can't be fact checked for error.....because he's the judge, jury and executioner of his Quran.....no one was there to ensure quality assurance, dual control, etc....it is by faith that u believe....there is no actual proof in line with logic...

Yes, an unlettered person can recite 100s of pages for 23 years by divine guidance! Who was there when Jesus fasted 40 days and nights? Who was with him during the temptations? When the angels come to minister to him? Who was with him when Jesus was born to narrate the story? The Quality control and assurance of the Bible is much non-existent! At least millions of Muslims nowadays still memorize the Qur'an! How many people ever memorize the Bible in its original language it was revealed?

So the truth u are ignoring is that ur Quran has no real validation of its own...it was written to antagonize the bible and torah...so it needs to invalidate the the two previous account to give it validation and not be seen as an ordinary copy..... And that's why u see that u Mvslims preach more about invalidating the bible that your own quran......

How u Mvslims don't see this baffles me....

These are all lies! The Qur'an confirms the earlier scriptures just as the Injeel confirmed the previous scriptures too! And what you regard as antagonism is the same thing the Jews claim as regards the New Testament and Jesus! No Muslim disbelieves in the Torah, Injeel and Zabur in its original forms! It is the Bible that we don't recognize!

I'm not aware of any such evidence.

Some historians claim that a Jesus who was called Christ existed, but there's no proof that anything he did was supernatural.

Some historians claim nobody like Jesus Christ ever existed.

So yeah. There's that.

AntiChristian:
These are all lies! The Qur'an confirms the earlier scriptures just as the Injeel confirmed the previous scriptures too! And what you regard as antagonism is the same thing the Jews claim as regards the New Testament and Jesus! No Muslim disbelieves in the Torah, Injeel and Zabur in its original forms! It is the Bible that we don't recognize!

They are not lies...if u doubt me...see The Jews
The jews also have the same view as u Mvslims about Jesus ..yet u Mvslims still invalidate their faith.. claiming urs is the only true one...

Nobody cares weda ur Quran is fake or real to be honest.....you Muslims are the ones always screaming authenticity over the the earlier two faith ..

.and ur evidence is that an illiterate met an angel and memorized hundreds of pages ......again these are just claims of a man. it cannot be fact checked...it's is more false than true..because it's just the claim of one man

So at the end of the day.....it's not about weda jesus is son of God or he resurrected or did not.......... ,.it's about u Muslims trying to use the previous faiths that came before Islam to claim authenticity by discredit them as corrupted ..

This is the hypocrisy I was telling u earlier
U rush to call another person's faith lies, saying they are just claims and that they never happened while claiming urs is the real deal ..but the evidence that urs is the real deal are just as claims that even more obvious as false...

AntiChristian:
➜Some early church fathers, like Eusebius and Jerome (3rd to 4th century), indicated that the longer ending was not found in the copies of Mark they were familiar with, suggesting it was a later addition.
➜ The content of the longer ending includes themes and elements that are more aligned with later Christian beliefs, which some argue indicates it was added to align Mark's Gospel with the developing theology of the early church.
➜ It's of also of great note that the language and style of the longer ending differ significantly from the rest of the Gospel of Mark. This stylistic inconsistency suggests it may not have been written by the same author.

1. However, these manuscripts date back to a time much earlier than that of your early church fathers, so how could they have edited them?

2. Be specific, please, what content or theme do you regard as being more aligned with later Christian beliefs? Are you referring to
➜ the speaking of tongues, which is claimed to have happened to the disciples of Jesus Christ of Israel approximately 50 days after His death?
➜ the casting out of demons, healing of the sick, raising of the dead, many of the same miracles that were carried out by Jesus Christ while He lived?

Which?

3. Well, if the original author decided to edit his work much later to include other information or one of his companions— an apostle as well — had done it on his behalf, you would expect the same, wouldn't you? My question to remains why conclude it must have been done by the Romans aka your church fathers, and not the followers of Jesus Christ of Israel(back in the first century Jerusalem) who edited the work? Why the assumption that all the works of the Gospels were concluded on first draft meaning there had to be no other omitted texts added much later by many of the same writers or even disciples during all of that time?

Kobojunkie:
1. Interesting claim! So what proof do you have that the document was edited, not by Jews, but by Romans?

And please, none of those bullsheet reasoning like that from your previous thread where you attempted what you claimed a scoring of Jesus Christ of Israel by a Law which you seem to have no darn respect for. 🙄🙄🙄🙄

2. This statement does not follow. What in the world does resurrection have to do with virginity? What is this one going on about now?

1. The document was written and edited by Greeks and Romans for their religion called Christianity. The Jewish scripture ended at Malachi. After God took away the spirit of prophecy. The entire Christian scriptures (So called new testament) was written in koine Greeks for Greek speaking Christian in the Roman empire.

2. I said the Jews don't have the idea of a god mating with a woman. So the gospel stories CANNOT originate from them. Those stories are the Hallmark of Greek/ Roman mythology. Just like persius of clash of the titans.
Justin Martyr a famous church father in his work "the first apology" stated
"And when we say also that the Word, who is the first-birth of God, was produced without sexual union, and that He, Jesus Christ, our Teacher, was crucified and died, and rose again, and ascended into heaven, we propound nothing different from what you believe regarding those whom you esteem sons of Jupiter. For you know how many sons your esteemed writers ascribed to Jupiter: Mercury, the interpreting word and teacher of all; Aesculapius, who, though he was a great physician, was struck by a thunderbolt, and so ascended to heaven; and Bacchus too, after he had been torn limb from limb; and Hercules, when he had committed himself to the flames to escape his toils; and the sons of Leda, and Dioscuri; and Perseus, son of Danae; and Bellerophon, who, though sprung from mortals, rose to heaven on the horse Pegasus.......

Nothing new, same old mythology

22jumpstreet:
➜1. The document was written and edited by Greeks and Romans for their religion called Christianity. The Jewish scripture ended at Malachi. After God took away the spirit of prophecy. The entire Christian scriptures (So called new testament) was written in koine Greeks for Greek speaking Christian in the Roman empire.
2. I said the Jews don't have the idea of a god mating with a woman. So the gospel stories CANNOT originate from them. Those stories are the Hallmark of Greek/ Roman mythology. Just like persius of clash of the titans.
➜Justin Martyr a famous church father in his work "the first apology" stated "And when we say also that the Word, who is the first-birth of God, was produced without sexual union, and that He, Jesus Christ, our Teacher, was crucified and died, and rose again, and ascended into heaven, we propound nothing different from what you believe regarding those whom you esteem sons of Jupiter. For you know how many sons your esteemed writers ascribed to Jupiter: Mercury, the interpreting word and teacher of all; Aesculapius, who, though he was a great physician, was struck by a thunderbolt, and so ascended to heaven; and Bacchus too, after he had been torn limb from limb; and Hercules, when he had committed himself to the flames to escape his toils; and the sons of Leda, and Dioscuri; and Perseus, son of Danae; and Bellerophon, who, though sprung from mortals, rose to heaven on the horse Pegasus.......
Nothing new, same old mythology

1. Huh? The nation of Judah was a captive nation of the Grecian empire for almost 200 years before it then fell into the hands of the Romans at the close of the BC period. Even the Septuagint, which Jesus Christ of Israel is said to have read from, was written in Greek. At least 2 generations of Jews were raised under the control of the Greek Empire, hence the great Greek influence noted in the writings in the books beginning with the Septuagint and then the Gospels. This all indicates that the Jews were not strangers to reading and writing the Greek language in the 1 century AD. So, how exactly do these claims of yours answer my previous question to you?

2. This gobbledegook does not answer my question.

The four gospels were written by Greeks. The longer ending to mark was also written by them. They have been editing and re editing since the beginning of the religion. They have been holding councils and synold to discuss the direction of the religion.
They only stop editing after the council of Trent in about 1553 or so....
The gospels are properties of the Roman Catholic Church, has nothing to do with the Jews or Israelites.....

22jumpstreet:
➜The four gospels were written by Greeks. The longer ending to mark was also written by them. They have been editing and re editing since the beginning of the religion. They have been holding councils and synold to discuss the direction of the religion. They only stop editing after the council of Trent in about 1553 or so.... The gospels are properties of the Roman Catholic Church, has nothing to do with the Jews or Israelites.....

Stop with the meaningless rambling! 🙄🙄

Following Alexander the Great's conquest of the Persian Empire, which included Judea, the region came under Greek rule. Initially, Judea was part of the Ptolemaic kingdom of Egypt, but control shifted to the Seleucid Empire (Syrian-Greek) in 198 BCE. This period, known as the Hellenistic period, saw the spread of Greek culture and influence, which led to tensions and ultimately, the Maccabean Revolt that resulted in Jewish independence.

Stop spitting brain farts and try to begin making sense!

Kobojunkie:
Stop with the meaningless rambling! 🙄🙄
Stop spitting brain farts and try to begin making sense!

So how did you his disprove my points?
The gospel was written by Greeks for the religion of Christianity.
The Jewish official religion is Judaism. They believe in one God...creator, responsibile for both good and evil.

22jumpstreet:
➜So how did you his disprove my points?
➜ The gospel was written by Greeks for the religion of Christianity.
➜ The Jewish official religion is Judaism. They believe in one God...creator, responsibile for both good and evil.

1. You were merely rambling, not making any point.

2. The nation of Judea that existed during the first century was a former colony of the Greek Empire. It is similar to how Nigeria of today exists as a former English colony, and the English language remains the major Language even at that.

3. According to the story, Judaism, designed after the way of foreign religions, was rejected by the God of Israel. So, why this distraction?

Kobojunkie:
1. You were merely rambling, not making any point.

2. The nation of Judea that existed during the first century was a former colony of the Greek Empire. It is similar to how Nigeria of today exists as a former English colony, and the English language remains the major Language even at that.

3. According to the story, Judaism, designed after the way of foreign religions, was rejected by the God of Israel. So, why this distraction?

Hahahahahaa @ number 3, very laughable.
When? You are just very funny to say the least. The covenant at is the Hallmark of Judaism. What God asked them to keep. The new covenant will be the same laws written in their heart, and not on stone or paper...
1. I still hold it that Christianity and the new testament are all creation of the Greek. They have the idea of god mating with women, not the Jews. That idea is absent in Jewish theology.

2. That is how the Greeks got the Torah, by forcing the Jewish scholars to translate the Torah to Greek (the Septuagint). With that in hand, they created the new religion of Christianity by mistranslating and misunderstanding the Torah......aim to deceive.

Kobojunkie:
Stop with the meaningless rambling! 🙄🙄
Stop spitting brain farts and try to begin making sense!

You are still not understanding my points do you? If you do, explain it to me before you counter it..

I will wait.

22jumpstreet:
✓ You are still not understanding my points do you? If you do, explain it to me before you counter it.. I will wait.

Historical facts make us aware that you are not interested in making points but spewing brain farts .I.e, meaningless drivels.

22jumpstreet:
✓ Hahahahahaa @ number 3, very laughable.
When? You are just very funny to say the least. The covenant at is the Hallmark of Judaism. What God asked them to keep. The new covenant will be the same laws written in their heart, and not on stone or paper...
1. I still hold it that Christianity and the new testament are all creation of the Greek. They have the idea of god mating with women, not the Jews. That idea is absent in Jewish theology.
2. That is how the Greeks got the Torah, by forcing the Jewish scholars to translate the Torah to Greek (the Septuagint). With that in hand, they created the new religion of Christianity by mistranslating and misunderstanding the Torah......aim to deceive.

1. The God of Israel is famously known for distancing Himself from the religion of Judaism and it's many self installed shepherds -- gods of men -- formerly grouped under the sects of the Pharisees, Sadducees along with the judges of the Sanhedrin. So, again, the religion you keep harping has nothing to do with this topic since the subject also disavowed it.

2. Nonsense 🙄🙄🙄

The Grecian empire had been toppled for a period of about 200 years before the wheels began moving on what you now know as the religion of Christianity. Stop with the unintelligent ramblings for attention sake.