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Reasons why Jesus is DEFINITELY God the Son of God:

1) Thousands of years before he was born prophets prophesied that God was coming to visit us. Old Testament (OT) is full of references to his coming.
No other person in the history of mankind has this happened with.

2) Before he came a mighty prophet was sent to prepare his way. John the Baptist (JohnTB) said that was all he came to do. And that he (a mighty prophet) was not fit to untie Jesus' shoe.

3) At his baptism a dove descended on him and a voice from heaven (identified as God the Father), proclaimed, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased," (Matthew 3:17)

4) When he finally came, he himself said he was the long-awaited God and did things God would do - he was after people's souls not money, he forgave sins, accepted worship, raised people from dead, and said he himself was the truth, the life, and the righteousness, and no one came to his Father except through him.

5) He said you'd know he's truly God the Son because his words would never pass away

6) He said he'd raise himself from the dead, and did just that and in such a way that the wrappings used to wrap the body were NOT disturbed

7) Thousands of years after his death he's being worshipped as God and his words have never passed away - exactly as he said!

8} He is worshipped interchangeably with the Father. No other person has been so worshipped
in human history.

9) The Father has been pleased with his worshippers and showered them with blessings. They also worship and call on the Father constantly and he accepts their prayers.

10) He is alive and active in people's lives TODAY!
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Before you dispute any of these remember:

1) You don't have the foggiest idea what God is like, nor can you imagine what he is like.

2) You don't have the foggiest idea what God's attributes are. So forget all the attributes you have in your head - they were assigned by man. You simply don't have the foggiest idea what God's attributes are or are not. So forget all attributes you assign to God!

3) If God is explained to you as straight forward and quite uncomplicated, you can be sure they are giving u man's version of God, NOT God as he is.

4) God exists in a dimension you can neither visualize, explain, nor comprehend.

5) So how do you know God? The ONLY way is the way it happened with Jesus. ANYONE that all those things happened with is God the Son of God. You can't know him any other way. You can't know him by logic, reasoning, or attributes. THAT IS THE ONLY WAY!!

This issue has been discussed and concluded here on nairaland last month. Why bringing it up again? Nairaland needs to work toward preventing redundancy. This is the previous thread where we concluded. JW folks had to abandon the sophisticated and superior bible verses we posted there so they stopped responding and came to create new thread spamming nairaland with heresy

https://www.nairaland.com/8420353/jesus-god-why-did-he

Read the thread above from beginning to the end and towards the end, the JW could no more defend their blasphemy about Jesus who they said is thesame person as Moses and angel Michael. They run away from that thread because the bible evidences there that supported Jesus being God were too strong for them to counter so they created this new thread to argue afresh. All evidences to show that jesus is God are in the thread I posted above. Anyone who is interested should read the whole thread and get themselves a bible education

You still need to review your definition of God?

Ruke1990:
This issue has been discussed and concluded here on nairaland last month. Why bringing it up again? Nairaland needs to work toward preventing redundancy

And what was the conclusion? Regale us

FreeIgboho:
And what was the conclusion? Regale us

We concluded that Jesus is God. The Jehovah's witnesses here on nairaland were unable to disprove it or argue further because the evidences were too many with plenty sophisticated verses from the scripture. Here is the thread below:

https://www.nairaland.com/8420353/jesus-god-why-did-he

Towards the end, the JW team fled. They stopped responding because they were rendered speechless

AntiChristian:
You still need to review your definition of God?

That's the mistake you people make. God has no definition in human terms.
See if you can wrap your mind around this:
There are over 2 trillion galaxies in our universe. And possibly unlimited number of universes. Now, shrink our galaxy to the size of the earth and our earth will be smaller than a grain of salt! Add to that, there are likely multiple dimensions. That's the God you're trying to define!

AntiChristian:
You still need to review your definition of God?

The definition of Allah(god of islam) is this:
Finite : Allah is limited to 99, also he cannot have son without mating.
Pray : Allah prays for human being e.g muhammed (question is who is Allah praying to?)
Changes word : Allah can change his word for a better one (abrogating his own words for newer versions) albaqara 106

Ruke1990:
We concluded that Jesus is God. The Jehovah's witnesses here o. Nairaland were unable to disprove it or argue further because the evidences were too many from the scripture

Who did Jesus prayed to? Luke 6:12
Who raised Jesus' dead body? Act 2:32

Ruke1990:
We concluded that Jesus is God. The Jehovah's witnesses here o. Nairaland were unable to disprove it or argue further because the evidences were too many from the scripture

Yeah? So who was involved in this great debate that reached that conclusion?

Were any of these people below involved?
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jimRohn or Kobojunkie or FxMasterz, maynman, Dtruthspeaker, Image123, DrJones109, Jesusjnr2022, LordReed, Jaephoenix, JessicaRabbit, Knownunknown, DeepSight, BBIA HellVictorinho6, SIXFEETUNDER, OkpaNsukkaisBae, Bacteriologist, FRANCISTOWN, SIRTee15, Aemmyjah, TheSourcerer,
Busybrain2233, 1Sharon, TakeNigeriaBack,
Botragelad, isan, MaxInDHouse, Fourthpredator,
seun, hopefullandlord, bobestman, Lorrayne, HardMirror, Hahn, SlawG, albreezy4eva, Muslim, Dominique, Mrbroke, EnemyofGod2, kkins25, Wilgrea7, A001, Maynthemayn

MaxInDHouse:
Who did Jesus prayed to? Luke 6:12
Who raised Jesus' dead body? Act 2:32

He prayed to the Father. Who said he couldn't pray to the Father and still be God?? Remember, we're NOT using human logic

When Jesus said "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up", who did he say will raise it?

Coder2Client:
The definition of Allah(god of islam) is this:
Finite : Allah is limited to 99, also he cannot have son without mating.
Pray : Allah prays for human being e.g muhammed (question is who is Allah praying to?)
Changes word : Allah can change his word for a better one (abrogating his own words for newer versions) albaqara 106

See ignorance of the highest order!

Allah's names are not limited to 99 as there are names we do not know!

"Praying to" someone is different from "praying for" someone!

And scriptures have always been revealed to abrogate one another!

Some parts of the Injeel abrogates some parts of the Torah! It all came from Allah!

And Allah is able to do all things!

AntiChristian

See ignorance of the highest order!

Allah's names are not limited to 99 as there are names we do not know!

Oya mention 50 more... LOL

"Praying to" someone is different from "praying for" someone!

Oh, muhammed receives Allah's prayers to himself, he can answer Allah prayer if he chose to? Muhammed is now another Allah who the first prays to? Allah performs salat, too. LOL

And scriptures have always been revealed to abrogate one another!

When muhammed said he has fabricated what Allah has not revealed to him, is that also abrogation?

Some parts of the Injeel abrogates some parts of the Torah! It all came from Allah!

Where is the Injeel? Does muhammed have the Injeel? Do muslims have the Injeel? What are the contents of this injeel?

And Allah is able to do all things!

But can not stop muhammed from fabricating lies against him?

FreeIgboho:
He prayed to the Father. Who said he couldn't pray to the Father and still be God?? Remember, we're NOT using human logic
When Jesus said "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up", who did he say will raise it?

Well i believe only the father is God just as Jesus himself taught his disciples:


Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. ‭John 17:3 NIV‬


Jesus taught us that there is only one true God and according to this verse that only true God is not Jesus!

MaxInDHouse:
Well i believe only the father is God just as Jesus himself taught his disciples:


Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. ‭John 17:3 NIV‬


Jesus taught us that there is only one true God and according to this verse that only true God is not Jesus!

Do you know that you only need to know this Jesus Christ in order to know this only true God? You don't need to know anything else to know God. Just know Jesus Christ. Why?

"Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? ANYONE WHO HAS SEEN ME HAS SEEN THE FATHER . How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?" John 14:9

MaxInDHouse:
Well i believe only the father is God just as Jesus himself taught his disciples:


Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. ‭John 17:3 NIV‬


Jesus taught us that there is only one true God and according to this verse that only true God is not Jesus!

Then also quote John 1:1,: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

AND
John 14:9 “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

AND
Mathew 16
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.

AND
John 20:28
28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

AND
John 8
58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” 59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him... (for obviously claiming to be God)

AND
John 10:33,: "We are not stoning you for any good work," they replied, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God,"

AND
Mark 14,: Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”
62 “I am,” said Jesus...
63 The high priest tore his clothes. “Why do we need any more witnesses?”
(Here again Jesus uses the divine "I am"}

So Mr Max, if you honestly study the Bible with an open heart, it will gradually dawn on you as it dawned on the apostles: This is God!

FreeIgboho:
Then also quote John 1:1,: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

AND
John 14:9 “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

AND
Mathew 16
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.

AND
John 20:28
28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

AND
John 8
58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” 59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him... (for obviously claiming to be God)

AND
John 10:33,: "We are not stoning you for any good work," they replied, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God,"

AND
Mark 14,: Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”
62 “I am,” said Jesus...
63 The high priest tore his clothes. “Why do we need any more witnesses?”
(Here again Jesus uses the divine "I am"}

So Mr Max, if you honestly study the Bible with an open heart, it will gradually dawn on you as it dawned on the apostles: This is God!

From genesis to revelation the main focus is Jesus Christ,there's no other name one can be saved, healed, cured and free from demonic attacks apart from The name JESUS CHRIST.
The names of the Father and Holy Spirit are all under the Canopy of the name jesus Christ.

GothamCities:
Do you know that you only need to know this Jesus Christ in order to know this only true God? You don't need to know anything else to know God. Just know Jesus Christ. Why?
"Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? ANYONE WHO HAS SEEN ME HAS SEEN THE FATHER . How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?" John 14:9

Of course his father was not seen at any time {John 1:18} so for us to know all the attributes of his father we must continue listening to Jesus studying each moment of his thoughts and actions! Matthew 17:5
That's why Paul the apostle said:

For “who has come to know the mind of Jehovah, so that he may instruct him?” But we do have the mind of Christ. 1Corinthans 2:16

Jesus himself said to one of his disciples:

“Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.'" John 20:17

So Jesus' father is my father and Jesus' God is my God but as for Jesus himself he is the Son of my God! Matthew 16:16

FreeIgboho:
Then also quote John 1:1,: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

This is what my Bible says:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. This one was in the beginning with God.  All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence. John 1:1-3

The title GOD was misconstrued by trinitarians because Jesus can't be God and at the same time said to be with God!

MaxInDHouse:
This is what my Bible says:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. This one was in the beginning with God.  All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence. John 1:1-3

The title GOD was misconstrued by trinitarians because Jesus can't be God and at the same time said to be with God!

That's by human reasoning. Just as by human reasoning he can't be inside you, neither could the Father be inside him, etc. Isn't the word of God also God?? You have to know what we are trying to define here.
(I'll now cut and paste what I wrote before):

God has no definition in human terms.
See if you can wrap your mind around this:
There are over 2 trillion galaxies in our universe. AND possibly unlimited number of universes. Now, if you shrink our galaxy (which is just ONE of trillions of galaxies) to the size of the earth, our earth will be smaller than a grain of salt! Add to that, there are likely multiple dimensions, and possibly infinite number of universes. That's the God you're trying to say who can sit beside who!

MaxInDHouse:
Of course his father was not seen at any time {John 1:18} so for us to know all the attributes of his father we must continue listening to Jesus studying each moment of his thoughts and actions! Matthew 17:5
That's why Paul the apostle said:

For “who has come to know the mind of Jehovah, so that he may instruct him?” But we do have the mind of Christ. 1Corinthans 2:16

Jesus himself said to one of his disciples:

“Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.'" John 20:17

So Jesus' father is my father and Jesus' God is my God but as for Jesus himself he is the Son of my God! Matthew 16:16

Who is actually this Son of your God?

"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." Isaiah 6:9.

Does it contradict the "If you've seen me, you've seen the Father statement of Christ? Does it contradict the notion that God raised Christ from the dead and Christ said He Himself would raise the temple in 3 days?

Your position contradicts all the above. If the Father is an entirely different personality from the Son, then those scriptures above are false. But since the Scriptures are never false, then, your position is false.

FreeIgboho:
Isn't the word of God also God?

You can twist it anyhow you want but as it's written in God's word Bible Jesus was given a name after his earthly mission that name is the Word Of God.
Why?
Because he has been God's mouthpiece in heaven before all other angels himself being one of them but after he succeeded in making some humans God's children through his ministry and sacrificed his perfect human life to redeem them God gave him that name:

The Word Of God! Revelations 19:13

So the person given that name is totally different from the person who gave him that name!

MaxInDHouse:
Who did Jesus prayed to? Luke 6:12
Who raised Jesus' dead body? Act 2:32

That clearly is Super God!

Which does not negate the fact that Jesus, The LORD, is our God! Deuteronomy 6:4

GothamCities:
Who is actually this Son of your God?

"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." Isaiah 6:9.

Mighty God means he is among the mighty Gods in heaven! Psalms 82:1,6

Everlasting Father means through him billions of humans will be redeemed as God's children born by faith in Christ.
So just as Adam (our human father) transmitter sin and death to all humans Jesus (our spiritual father) became a life giving spirit and unlike Adam Jesus will live forever! 1Corinthans 15:45

I wouldn't have responded to this thread if that commentator did not mention "Jehovah's Witnesses" we know the role Jesus played in the salvation of mankind but that he is our God?
NO!

MaxInDHouse:
You can twist it anyhow you want but as it's written in God's word Bible Jesus was given a name after his earthly mission that name is the Word Of God.
Why?
Because he has been God's mouthpiece in heaven before all other angels himself being one of them but after he succeeded in making some humans God's children through his ministry and sacrificed his perfect human life to redeem them God gave him that name:

The Word Of God! Revelations 19:13

So the person given that name is totally different from the person who gave him that name!

Now you are moving post to Him being given A Name forgetting that He has always had Distinctive Names especially when He pleases His Father by accomplishing the Task His Father gives Him.

So, no point.

MaxInDHouse:
You can twist it anyhow you want but as it's written in God's word Bible Jesus was given a name after his earthly mission that name is the Word Of God.
Why?
Because he has been God's mouthpiece in heaven before all other angels himself being one of them but after he succeeded in making some humans God's children through his ministry and sacrificed his perfect human life to redeem them God gave him that name:

The Word Of God! Revelations 19:13

So the person given that name is totally different from the person who gave him that name!

So "the Word of God" is a proper name given after successful mission to earth. Who knew. Strange theology. So why did it say he was Word of God "in the beginning"?

FreeIgboho:
So "the Word of God" is a proper name given after successful mission to earth. Who knew. Strange theology. So why did it say he was Word of God "in the beginning"?

John is talking about the origin of this one who later became the word of God.

It's like saying:
"The president of Nigeria WAS a student of St Peter Anglican church" that doesn't mean he has become the president as a student in primary school nah!

MaxInDHouse:
Mighty God means he is among the mighty Gods in heaven! Psalms 82:1,6

Unfortunately, the Bible didn't say o. The Bible says there's only One God and Father.

"But for us, "There is only one God, the Father."

For us, there's only one God, the Father. For the infidels and unbelievers, there are Mighty Gods.

Everlasting Father means through him billions of humans will be redeemed as God's children born by faith in Christ.
So just as Adam (our human father) transmitter sin and death to all humans Jesus (our spiritual father) became a life giving spirit and unlike Adam Jesus will live forever! 1Corinthans 15:45

There's only one Father unfortunately and there's no meaning to it. The only Everlasting Father is the Almighty God. There's no other who.takes the title of EVERLASTING other than the Mighty God.

"But for us, "There is only one God, the Father.

I wouldn't have responded to this thread if that commentator did not mention "Jehovah's Witnesses" we know the role Jesus played in the salvation of mankind but that he is our God?
NO!

He is not your God because you have an alien Gospel founded on your own custom Bible.

"One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." Ephesians 4:5-6.

GothamCities:
Unfortunately, the Bible didn't say o. The Bible says there's only One God and Father.

"But for us, "There is only one God, the Father."

For us, there's only one God, the Father. For the infidels and unbelievers, there are Mighty Gods.



There's only one Father unfortunately and there's no meaning to it. The only Everlasting Father is the Almighty God. There's no other who.takes the title of EVERLASTING other than the Mighty God.

"But for us, "There is only one God, the Father.



He is not your God because you have an alien Gospel founded on your own custom Bible.

"One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." Ephesians 4:5-6.

GOD made Moses God just as He made Jesus God! Exodus 7:1

MaxInDHouse:
GOD made Moses God just as He made Jesus God! Exodus 7:1

God didn't make Moses God. He only made him a god, not God to Pharaoh. Only Pharaoh. To command pharaoh and to show him power. That's all.

Jesus was not made God. He is God. Tell me where He was made God. Moses was not Devine. Jesus is. He is the Everlasting Father, the Mighty God.

GothamCities:
God didn't make Moses God. He only made him a god, not God to Pharaoh. Only Pharaoh. To command pharaoh and to show him power. That's all.
Jesus was not made God. He is God. Tell me where He was made God. Moses was not Devine. Jesus is. He is the Everlasting Father, the Mighty God.

Is there any difference between being God and a God?