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MaxInDHouse:
I have told you there is nothing in that translation other than simple statement which means:

"Before Abraham i exist"

That's what we believe and is working for our good just as Jesus said that it's the fruit that matters not whatever name you give your god! Matthew 7:16-18

So let's check what the Greek translation for I exist is.
“I Exist” – ὑπάρχω (hyparchō)
I Am” (ἐγώ εἰμι)

Come oh, are you sure you guys translated for the Greek version and not from toilet paper?

tctrills:
So let's check what the Greek translation for I exist is.
“I Exist” – ὑπάρχω (hyparchō)
I Am” (ἐγώ εἰμι)
Come oh, are you sure you guys translated for the Greek version and not from toilet paper?

Even if it's from cow poo as long as it's yielding positive results ọmọ that's the correct rendering according to Jesus!

"Every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit.  A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit" Matthew 7:17-18

No matter what you call it as long as it's yielding positive results Jesus said that's the CORRECT RENDERING!

Just try to unite your I AM worshipers let the world see how love exists among you people! John 13:34-35

I wouldn't respond if not for the poster who mentioned "Jehovah's Witnesses"

Ruke1990:
We concluded that Jesus is God. The Jehovah's witnesses here on nairaland were unable to disprove it or argue further because the evidences were too many with plenty sophisticated verses from the scripture. Here is the thread below:
https://www.nairaland.com/8420353/jesus-god-why-did-he
Towards the end, the JW team fled. They stopped responding because they were rendered speechless

True Christians don't just argue for fun so after we have made our point we take our leave and concentrate on those who truly wants to learn.

If you people want to prove your Jesus is your god then do so by actions not just words {Matthew 7:21-23} according to Jesus his real disciples will make love reign among them globally {John 13:34-35} and it will become so obvious that even our opposers will admit something strange is happening in the midst of this people! Matthew 5:14-16

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!

Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

MaxInDHouse:
Heaven differs from earth, angels are in two categories:
Cherubs: warriors in heaven.
Seraphs: singers in heaven.

Michael is the first angel so he controls all of them but after the rebellion the two categories had members that joined the rebellion against God's authority so by the time Michael was transformed into a human all the angels in heaven focused to see what will be the outcome of his earthly mission and by the time he said:


“It is finished.” ‭John 19:30 NIV‬

All rebellious angels in heaven knew that their days are numbered because their stay in heaven depends on the outcome of Michael's earthly mission.

There no section that has to do with worship except for the favedther anything else is obedience to God's chosen king!

Why didn't the rebellious angels use the opportunity of his absence to take over instead they waited patiently. What sort of war is that?😅

What your bolded described is called worship and according to Exodus is to be reserved for God!

FreeIgboho:
Why didn't the rebellious angels use the opportunity of his absence to take over instead they waited patiently. What sort of war is that?😅

What your bolded described is called worship and according to Exodus is to be reserved for God!

Do you like jokes?
Well i'm not in the mood for such today but angels in heaven only knew that God is their supreme ruler while all of them are brothers until some rebelled against God.
There war is not like that of humans where you use physical weapons to arm your enemies in their fleshy bodies it's utterances they use against one another {Ephesians 6:17} utterances having divine backing stands while the ones not having it fails! Revelations 1:16; 19:15; 2Thessalonians 2:8

So when Michael is not there with whom are they going to exchange words?

Your I AM is meaningless to us as it's not yielding positive results among you.
Your I AM brother has been arguing with you from the start only to shy away when i told you to agree among yourselves first!

MaxInDHouse:
Even if it's from cow poo as long as it's yielding positive results ọmọ that's the correct rendering according to Jesus!

"Every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit.  A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit" Matthew 7:17-18

No matter what you call it as long as it's yielding positive results Jesus said that's the CORRECT RENDERING!

Just try to unite your I AM worshipers let the world see how love exists among you people! John 13:34-35

Well, if corrupting the word of God is your positive result, good for you. To me, it is only producing rotten and worthless fruits

tctrills:
Well, if corrupting the word of God is your positive result, good for you. To me, it is only producing rotten and worthless fruits

Pharisees said Jesus Christ is corrupting God's word but he kept asking for the fruit of their interpretation.

So Mr Interpretation present the group that's applying I AM let's see how useful is your I AM!

Paul told Christians in Corinth:



He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. ‭2 Corinthians 3:6 NIV‬

Instead of arguing on letters used in your Bible translation present the works of your faith let people see how effective is your I AM {James 2:18} so they can gladly accept it after all it's only written in a book as in LETTER and it's until they are able to see the positive results before they can feel the SPIRIT of your I AM!

MaxInDHouse:
Pharisees said Jesus Christ is corrupting God's word but he kept asking for the fruit of their interpretation.

So Mr Interpretation present the group that's applying I AM let's see how useful is your I AM!

Paul told Christians in Corinth:



He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. ‭2 Corinthians 3:6 NIV‬

Instead of arguing on letters used in your Bible translation present the works of your faith let people see how effective is your I AM {James 2:18} so they can gladly accept it after all it's only written in a book as in LETTER and it's until they are able to see the positive results before they can feel the SPIRIT of your I AM!

Just as the Pharisees said, Jesus Christ is corrupting God's word. JW claims others have wrong translations. You guys are the modern-day Pharisees. You are wrong, but you claim others are wrong.

tctrills:
Just as the Pharisees said, Jesus Christ is corrupting God's word. JW claims others have wrong translations. You guys are the modern-day Pharisees. You are wrong, but you claim others are wrong.

Now you are talking!

Of course Jesus said Pharisees are wrong and they also team up to say the same thing against him so what is the way forward?

Is it by arguing on what was written?

Well both Jesus and the Pharisees have their interpretation differently that's why they were against him and he also against them.

The only way to settle this once and for all time is by presenting the WORKS of both faith. James 2:18-26

Jesus present a united brotherhood that is preaching and teaching about God's Kingdom with love for all kinds of people so that racism and politics can't break their bond {Isaiah 2:2-4} but Pharisees can't do the same even though they travel to make proselytes in far away lands {Matthew 23:15} but they makes such a person hate his neighbors due to politics and racism because they too can't help it if war breaks out between their country and that of the proselyte they converted nah kill them go kill am and the same applies to the proselyte too!

MaxInDHouse:
Now you are talking!

Of course Jesus said Pharisees are wrong and they also team up to say the same thing against him so what is the way forward?

Is it by arguing on what was written?

Well both Jesus and the Pharisees have their interpretation differently that's why they were against him and he also against them.

The only way to settle this once and for all time is by presenting the WORKS of both faith.

Jesus present a united brotherhood that is preaching and teaching about God's Kingdom with love for all kinds of people so that racism and politics can't break their bond {Isaiah 2:2-4} but Pharisees can't do the same even though they travel to make proselytes in far away lands {Matthew 23:15} but they makes such a person hate his neighbors due to politics and racism because they too can't help it if war breaks out between their country and that of the proselyte they converted nah kill them go kill am and the same applies to the proselyte too!

Let's not be stupid.
bia rie nri means come and eat in Igbo. But then if I claim that my own translation mean go to bed just because I am a JW does that not make me an evil thief?
If your fruits are basically lies and falsehood, how is it a good fruit.

tctrills:
Let's not be stupid.
bia rie nri means come and eat in Igbo. But then if I claim that my own translation mean go to bed just because I am a JW does that not make me an evil thief?
If your fruits are basically lies and falsehood, how is it a good fruit.

The New Testament was written in pidgin Greek so it takes intelligence to translate it not just someone picking word for word.

In pidgin "wetin dey ground?" means "what do you have for me?" or "anything for me?" but when taken word for word someone could translate it as "what is on the floor?"

So it requires deep understanding to know the meaning not just taking it word for word!

MaxInDHouse:
The New Testament was written in pidgin Greek so it takes intelligence to translate it not just someone picking word for word.

In pidgin "wetin dey ground?" means "what do you have for me?" or "anything for me?" but when taken word for word someone could translate it as "what is on the floor?"

So it requires deep understanding to know the meaning not just taking it word for word!

Oga hmm na way oh.
Even if it was written in broken English, does pidgin Greek not have a translation?
Do we have to deceive ourselves and pretend and lie just because you say it was written in pidgin?
I presented you with the translation so if your defense is that it was written in pidgin and the JW group are the pidgin experts then you are just not serious

tctrills:
Oga hmm na way oh.
Even if it was written in broken English, does pidgin Greek not have a translation?
Do we have to deceive ourselves and pretend and lie just because you say it was written in pidgin?
I presented you with the translation so if your defense is that it was written in pidgin and the JW group are the pidgin experts then you are just not serious

It's not word for word translation that's why you can't make it work in any known group because it's meaningless!

MaxInDHouse:
It's not word for word translation that's why you can't make it work in any known group because it's meaningless!

As I said let's not be stupid.
No language is word for word when translated yet we don't fool ourselves claiming that everyone is entitled to a brand new translation.
s'il te plaît is please in french. Word for word it means if it pleases you.
So it's not a new thing.
We don't need JW to invent a lie just because languages are not translated word for word.

MaxInDHouse:
Do you like jokes?
Well i'm not in the mood for such today but angels in heaven only knew that God is their supreme ruler while all of them are brothers until some rebelled against God.
There war is not like that of humans where you use physical weapons to arm your enemies in their fleshy bodies it's utterances they use against one another {Ephesians 6:17} utterances having divine backing stands while the ones not having it fails! Revelations 1:16; 19:15; 2Thessalonians 2:8

So when Michael is not there with whom are they going to exchange words?

Your I AM is meaningless to us as it's not yielding positive results among you.
Your I AM brother has been arguing with you from the start only to shy away when i told you to agree among yourselves first!

So what was the purpose of the war? Just talking back and forth?😅 So mighty warrior Angel Michael all he did was talk? Strange theology indeed. I.know you're not in the mood for jokes but you say such hilarious things!🤣

This your us vs them attitude is exactly what JW rulers want. They'd be congratulating themselves about you! What do you term "positive results"? Always agreeing with each other? Well, thinking human beings are NOT robots. Unless someone brainwashed them into being one!

tctrills:
As I said let's not be stupid.
No language is word for word when translated yet we don't fool ourselves claiming that everyone is entitled to a brand new translation.
s'il te plaît is please in french. Word for word it means if it pleases you.
So it's not a new thing.
We don't need JW to invent a lie just because languages are not translated word for word.

Exactly how Pharisees thought about Jesus yet with all their gragra nothing positive results from their faith!

FreeIgboho:
So what was the purpose of the war? Just talking back and forth?😅 So mighty warrior Angel Michael all he did was talk? Strange theology indeed. I.know you're not in the mood for jokes but you say such hilarious things!🤣
This your us vs them attitude is exactly what JW rulers want. They'd be congratulating themselves about you! What do you term "positive results"? Always agreeing with each other? Well, thinking human beings are NOT robots. Unless someone brainwashed them into being one!

So you think spirits use weapons that can destroy spirits?

Well your level of understanding is what matters!

MaxInDHouse:
Exactly how Pharisees thought about Jesus yet with all their gragra nothing positive results from their faith!

That's the point, you have an organization of only negative results but some how you are proud. An organization that is founded in foolishness but to you it's the greatest thing after slice bread. Oga you guys need to be claiming down.

tctrills:
That's the point, you have an organization of only negative results but some how you are proud. An organization that is founded in foolishness but to you it's the greatest thing after slice bread. Oga you guys need to be claiming down.

The one and only organization that made it possible for people from different countries throughout the world to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! Isaiah 2:2-4

Your I AM family in Russia and Ukraine are still killing themselves o, i just want to know the usefulness of this your I AM!

MaxInDHouse:
So you think spirits use weapons that can destroy spirits?

Well your level of understanding is what matters!

Well, they are depicted with swords, but in reality
you don't have foggiest idea how they fight

FreeIgboho:
Well, they are depicted with swords, but in reality you don't have foggiest idea how they fight

A Bible study with Jehovah's Witnesses is what you need but arrogance won't let you.
Angels in the Bible have fought several times and it's just the use of words that weakens or strengthen them.

All these are right there in your copy of the Bible but since you feel you know it already there's no need arguing.

Just know that angels don't use weapons that can destroy one another it's only utterances that's divinely approved that weakens them.

MaxInDHouse:
A Bible study with Jehovah's Witnesses is what you need but arrogance won't let you.
Angels in the Bible have fought several times and it's just the use of words that weakens or strengthen them.

All these are right there in your copy of the Bible but since you feel you know it already there's no need arguing.

Just know that angels don't use weapons that can destroy one another it's only utterances that's divinely approved that weakens them.

Bible study with JW, so they'll teach me how the world actually ended in 1914 and the generation of 1914 will not pass away b4 Armageddon!😅

My friend what you said doesn't make any sense. The reason is because war between angels cannot be accurately described and you still understand it. Any description has to be brought down to what a human can understand, which of course is far from accurate description of it!

FreeIgboho:
Bible study with JW, so they'll teach me how the world actually ended in 1914 and the generation of 1914 will not pass away b4 Armageddon!😅

Obviously you forgot that both John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth said:

“Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near.” ‭Matthew 3:2; 4:17 NIV‬
Perhaps you first make sense with their message by telling us how near is 2,000 year ago yet the Kingdom has not come!

FreeIgboho:
My friend what you said doesn't make any sense. The reason is because war between angels cannot be accurately described and you still understand it. Any description has to be brought down to what a human can understand, which of course is far from accurate description of it!

Bible EXPLAINS how spirits fights among themselves if you don't know ask for help!

MaxInDHouse:
The one and only organization that made it possible for people from different countries throughout the world to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! Isaiah 2:2-4

Your I AM family in Russia and Ukraine are still killing themselves o, i just want to know the usefulness of this your I AM!

We have debated this your claim before and proven it false. You can be a happy family if you are built on lies.

But then let's not change topic today, According to the JW people, anyone is free to makeup any translation to fit his narrative. But honest people reject that thinking.

Not only is it dishonest, it's disrespectful to Jesus Christ and John who recorded His words when you act like His words don't matter and the foolish JW know better than him.

I choose Jesus Christ over the JW. His words matter to me.

The highlighted really amuses me!

So i and millions of my brothers globally agreed on our own translation that's why we have PEACE among us but each of you choose his or her own interpretation that's why there is no peace among you people.

Remember you came to argue with your (I AM) brother but out of shame began to engage me!

tctrills:
We have debated this your claim before and proven it false. You can be a happy family if you are built on lies.

But then let's not change topic today, According to the JW people, anyone is free to makeup any translation to fit his narrative. But honest people reject that thinking.

Not only is it dishonest, it's disrespectful to Jesus Christ and John who recorded His words when you act like His words don't matter and the foolish JW know better than him.

I choose Jesus Christ over the JW. His words matter to me.

Wahala Yaaaso!

tctrills:
I choose to believe God and disbelief you. You can know God and he wants us to know him. you are a man claiming it's impossible to know God while God is inviting us to know him. For me, it's a very easy choice.

What a I AM worshiper told another I AM worshiper instead of them to agree first both of them wants to convince a JW who agreed with millions of his own fellow believers o!

MaxInDHouse:
Wahala Yaaaso!



What a I AM worshiper told another I AM worshiper instead of them to agree first both of them wants to convince a JW who agreed with millions of his own fellow believers o!

Your hypocrisy is so amazing. I remember about 2 years ago your fellow JW chap destroyed you here on Nairaland. He asked that we ignore you as your opinions did not represent the group.
I have never seen a Catholic do that to another catholic on Nairaland. I have never seen such infighting among any other organization.

But the so called religion of unity openly fought in the marketplace of ideas.

You lack all credibility to celebrate when I and someone else from a totally different believe system disagree.

My beliefs are just as different from the guy as they are from yours.

But you the JW are the only group to have such a shameless fight on the pages of Nairaland.

Stop being shameless.

tctrills:
So let's check what the Greek translation for I exist is.
“I Exist” – ὑπάρχω (hyparchō)
I Am” (ἐγώ εἰμι)

Come oh, are you sure you guys translated for the Greek version and not from toilet paper?

Oga read Exodus 3:13-15 in the Greek Septuagint and STOP DECEIVING yourself.

You must open your mind to learn, UNLEARN & RELEARN..

tctrills:
Just as the Pharisees said, Jesus Christ is corrupting God's word. JW claims others have wrong translations. You guys are the modern-day Pharisees. You are wrong, but you claim others are wrong.

1 John 5:7 & 1 Timothy 3:16 KJV & textus receptus translations.
Have You forgotten the Bible chapter your Trinitarian mentors said Peter was worshipped?

Oga, do you want further evidences?

tctrills:
So let's check what the Greek translation for I exist is.
“I Exist” – ὑπάρχω (hyparchō)
I Am” (ἐγώ εἰμι)

Come oh, are you sure you guys translated for the Greek version and not from toilet paper?

John 4:25-26. John 8:24,28,58..
The point Jesus Christ is making at John 8:58 is the same point he made at John 4:25-26. John 8:24,28,58.


Your Trinitarian mentors ADDED "He" @ John 8:24,28 & REFUSED to add "He" @ John 8:58.
" I AM" @ John 8:24,28 can not do anything of his own initiative.

Jesus Christ do NOT mean that delusion you have attached to John 8:58