₦airaland Forum

DIVINEEVIDENCE:
Anyone who can specify what is wrong with a machine can as well repair it.

Anyone who can design a machine can couple, disassemble and fix it.

So, civil engineers should not know how to mix mortar and operate cement mixers?

Don't be a Reno Omokiri.

May your days be long

ceejayluv:
The German apprentice program is same idea of technical vocational schools and polytechnics.
Universities are for design research and analysis.

Okay but a friend of mine was posted to Automotive plant overthere , they do have visiting professors that work with them to develop and implement the outcome of their researchs for new technologies innovations, how many of our engineering Professors are doing that here ?

CodeTemplarr:
asides petroleum engineering, do they offer other engineering courses? I doubt they do ooo.

I had my MSc there in Electrical Power Systems years back.... So as at then was: Agric, Petro, EE, Mech & Industrial.

FutureFocus:
The input of the professors should give birth to competently trained technicians, majorities of engineering professors here lack practical knowledge, you just don’t come to class dictate lecture note , Nigeria university should study German apprenticeship program for engineering courses

We are doing well in medicine because the students were made to learn on the job during their clinicals , but reverse is the case for engineering students, that’s my point

May you live long. We only follow what the Brits laid down for us. No room for progress

FutureFocus:
Okay but a friend of mine was posted to Automotive plant overthere , they do have visiting professors that work with them to develop and implement the outcome of their researchs for new technologies innovations, how many of our engineering Professors are doing that here ?

Spot on!

FutureFocus:
Who do they train? They are considered custodians of knowledge, how do coming generation and the society benefit from them?
The US took out two professors for their practical contribution to nuclear energy development in Iran , because they know and are useful in their fields in the practical field

How many Nigerians engineering professors has published engineering books used in other universities abroad unlike their colleagues in the medical fields that are doing well.
This is because all the know is theory not practical, you can’t teach buy going to classroom to dictating notes alone , it’s not sufficient

There is a Medical Prof in one of our university in Nigeria that buy foreign books, read, correct mistakes in those books and send the books back to the writers in advance countries, and he returns they do acknowledge and thank him, we’ll recognized , he was honored in the US years ago, we don’t have such in our engineering faculties, still the point I’m trying to make you understand

My dear friend, you still don't get it. You think professors just wake up , rub their bottoms and scientific knowledge flow out? You don't that there are processes they must go through which may require huge investment in money, time and other resources.

Professors are not technicians, this applies all over the world. And the scientists you were talking about, who told you that they were out in the field with spanners and hammers building the nuclear reactors in Iran or in any other place? I mentioned earlier that our educational sector, like every other sector in Nigeria has issues...but that isn't because you have professors that can't fix broken down generators. Moreover, different field of studies require different approaches. What's required in theoretical physics differs from what's required in mechanical engineering and medicine.

Do you know how much the people you are using as an example spend on researches and education? How much do you pay your professors that you are expecting something extraordinary from them? Go and check the amount budgeted for education in Nigeria for 2025 and check that of Harvard university alone. Check and tell us what you discovered?

Offpoint1:
With these you've wrote, how come we are yet to design or come with one machine as a country? All we do is import and assemble

Firstly it's impossible for an engineer to design one machine in 35 years of service

You only design parts or machine in teams and surely we have done a lot of designs

Equsi or melon peeling machine was innovated by Nigerians there are more

Nukilia:
We should not make this matter a tribal affair. This is gross incompetence across the length and breadth of our country

I schooled in the SE. I was trying to point out to him how ignoble his comment was.

Truth is that some of the professors may not want to do it because the school has budgeted for repairs and services.

If those making all these lame arguments are actually graduates of our universities, then wahala seriously dey oO.

FutureFocus:
Okay but a friend of mine was posted to Automotive plant overthere , they do have visiting professors that work with them to develop and implement the outcome of their researchs for new technologies innovations, how many of our engineering Professors are doing that here ?

That's the difference in industrialization between the two countries. Nigeria, generally has a Long Way to Go in that aspect. Although we have many seasoned professors in Nigeria that have had international research collaborations.

erniok:
I schooled in the SE. I was trying to point out to him how ignoble his comment was.

Truth is that some of the professors may not want to do it because the school has budgeted for repairs and services.

The strategic plan for reviving the education sector in Nigeria, must see Engineering departments in universities headed by professors bidding for road project construction, optic fibre laying, agriculture related projects e.t.c

Bahamas95:
"And you know what, those who design stuff are much more desired (and rewarded) than those who fix broken things."



This life nor go ever balance, those who sweat less earn more.

Na so it be...a trained monkey can repair broken things. But no monkey can design a complex machine. That's the same reason your president earn more than his bodyguards that are putting their lives in the line to protect him.

On another note, the original poster sounded like he witnessed ALL the professors struggling to fix the generator with no avail. Dude was called to do his Job of which there's a budget for maintenance, only to come out to talk trash.

Arostar2023:
My dear friend, you still don't get it. You think professors just wake up , rub their bottoms and scientific knowledge flow out? You don't that there are processes they must go through which may require huge investment in money, time and other resources.

Professors are not technicians, this applies all over the world. And the scientists you were talking about, who told you that they were out in the field with spanners and hammers building the nuclear reactors in Iran or in any other place? I mentioned earlier that our educational sector, like every other sector in Nigeria has issues...but that isn't because you have professors that can't fix broken down generators. Moreover, different field of studies require different approaches. What's required in theoretical physics differs from what's required in mechanical engineering and medicine.

Do you know how much the people you are using as an example spend on researches and education? How much do you pay your professors that you are expecting something extraordinary from them? Go and check the amount budgeted for education in Nigeria for 2025 and check that of Harvard university alone. Check and tell us what you discovered?

You are advocating for more grants, I know we have PDTF, TeTfund and some independent international grants, focused on individual gurus, still these universities are making a lot of money from various part time programs , some lectures in two or more universities on the side dictating notes only , for more money,
Some are more focused on printing businesses while other pay attention to their farms ,

The OP has raised a valid alarm 🚨, our education system should be revisited
As it stand for now, I rather school myself on YouTube

I know the government need to do better also

Fixing is not a role of an Engineer. That's the role of a Technologist or a Technician.

An Engineer Analyse, troubleshoot, monitor, model, simulate and design processes. While the Technologists and Technicians bring the design to life following the instructions of the Engineer.

Akinpresident:
Oga shut up

How can you give an idea of what can fix something without knowing how to actually fix that thing?

You and those professors and Nigerian politicians are the same thing. You know everything about making Nigeria work, but can't do anything practically.

So because of NL I should start arguing engineering with a zoology or linguistics graduate?
Na wa oo

ceejayluv:
That's the difference in industrialization between the two countries. Nigeria, generally has a Long Way to Go in that aspect. Although we have many seasoned professors in Nigeria that have had international research collaborations.

Yeah, we also have leadership problems, we are buying Prado SUVs instead of Tractors and Fishing Vessels
No harmony between education system and the real economy, look at the universities of agriculture all over the place, good template zero implementation ! is the ministry of Agriculture empowering the graduates from these universities of agriculture? Build farm villages and settlements in collaboration with ministry of housing , provide adequate security and establish farm cities to engage these graduates from these universities of agriculture instead of them working in the banks as clerks

mrvitalis:
The ignorance in this statement and the comments above collaborating it is beyond shocking

What concerns a prof of engineering from fixing generator?

Nigerians needs to know the difference between "Engineers- Technologist-technicians and craftsmen "

Generator being bad is not an engineering problem... Certainly not
But if that model of generator keep having unforeseen problems over and over again then that's an engineering problem



Engineering is 100% office work, you design, you solve problems, you innovate

Moreover no one can be a professor of engineering... U want to die? ... You can't even be a professor of mechanical or electrical engineering

You become professor of thermodynamics, professor of mechanics, professor of power systems, professor of material metrology


Our educational system is bad really bad and the guy in the video shows it

So mention one thing the Professors have designed that solved problems in Nigeria? What?

We may agree with you to an extent but the problems is that those with certificates started this. When you look down at others just because you have a Bsc or Masters of PHD, this is what happens

In the western civilized world, all skills are respected and those who engage in them earns well but here in Nigeria, we look down on people

Nurses are not valued here but over there, there are hot cakes

FutureFocus:
Yeah, we also have leadership problems .
No harmony between education system the real economy, look at the universities of agriculture all over the place, good template zero implementation ! is the ministry of Agriculture empowering the graduates from these universities of agriculture? Build farm villages and settlements in collaboration with ministry of housing , provide adequate security and establish farm cities to engage these graduates from these universities of agriculture instead of them working in the banks as clerks

It's sad....

This is ignorance on the part of the young man. Does he know different companies have different designs but all working on the same principles? A Toyota mechanic may not be able to fix a Mercedes benz engine without training. Learn the difference between the different cadres of engineering please and stop exposing your ignorance.

The guy in the video needs to fix his shirt and the designs on it, as well as his sense of aesthetics before even complaining about his professors.

lebienconnu:
People just choose to lament for no sane reason. An engineering professor is not trained to fix generators but to design one like someone rightly said above. Round peg can not fit square hole. Even in Japan, China, Uk and US, engineering professors take their vehicles to trained technicians when required. Why is Nigeria different? This is a matter of actively looking for something negative to say even when there appears to be none. Let me tell you, those proffessors you are mocking are among the very best in the world. Baba, if you know, you know. You can not be professor without knowing your onions. It is not possible.

guy you lie

Engineering profession is divided into 4 cadres (in Nigeria)
1 Engineers: they are mainly trained to design and analyse
2 Technologists
3 Technician
4 Artisans

fergie001:
I had my MSc there in Electrical Power Systems years back.... So as at then was: Agric, Petro, EE, Mech & Industrial.

waaooooh.

Love800:
Please give us the difference between the technologist and engineers?

In a lay man understanding: The Technologist carries out the real job. They are the ones that soil their hands, while the Engineer stands there giving orders and instructions of "do it like this". "Do it like that". That's the difference.

Zionmdde:
Only the ignorant cannot differentiate between an engineer and a technician
An engineer translates the theories into designs and models which are actualized by the technicians under the directions and supervision of the engineer

So a mechanical engineer has no business repairing a generator. Not in Nigeria, not even in Germany. He can only give an idea of what is wrong with the generator and not to repair it

How did he comes with the idea of what is wrong with the generator if he can't fix it?

Home could he direct and supervise technicians if he can fix or know how to fix?

From whom the technicians are expected to know how to fix?

yemmit90:
How did he comes with the idea of what is wrong with the generator if he can't fix it?

Home could he direct and supervise technicians if he can fix or know how to fix?

From whom the technicians are expected to know how to fix?

Before we start, what's you profession? I can't be explaining some things to a political science graduate

This is why engineering in society course should be a university course

Wow.

I appreciate.

ceejayluv:
A mechanic is one trained to handle tools for installation, repair and maintenance of particular equipment.

A diesel mechanic will be totally clueless when it comes to fixing an helicopter fault unless he's specially trained to do so. Repairs are not taught in universities. Prove me wrong by giving a link of any university in the whole world where how to repair generators or engines are taught.

Wow.

I honestly appreciate.

Nukilia:
No mind the kurukere comment. Before you can call yourself a professor, you must understand the breakdown of every component and their functionality.

Nigeria can never work with the current structure of professors in the offices an not professors on the field...

Wow.

Thanks so much.

Mcslize:
In a lay man understanding: The Technologist carries out the real job. They are the ones that soil their hands, while the Engineer stands there giving orders and instructions of "do it like this". "Do it like that". That's the difference.