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FreeIgboho:
Quote a verse where they said
"Thank you Jehovah God" as JW always say.
He's just an angel to you folks, just another messenger like Moses, so why your pretentious focus on him on this forum.
You don't realize it, but it sounds so fake!

Ha!
Your problem is complicated!

Who is demanding such from you?

Are you not the one claiming Jehovah's Witnesses must say something to prove they believe in Jesus?

So you're the one who should present a scenario where what you're demanding was made compulsory not the other way around!

Sand2022:
I agree, it is impossible for us to define His nature. Trinity is the best effort at doing that, but it is not perfect.

EXACTLY!
Maxindhouse come get some education, you and Janosky!

FreeIgboho:
EXACTLY!
Maxindhouse come get some education, you and Janosky!

What is the religion of the person you are quoting so we can learn from his church?
Thank you!

MaxInDHouse:
Ha!
Your problem is complicated!

Who is demanding such from you?

Are you not the one claiming Jehovah's Witnesses must say something to prove they believe in Jesus?

So you're the one who should present a scenario where what you're demanding was made compulsory not the other way around!

Just to show you not everything has to be verbatim.
People obviously implicitly thanked Jesus in the Bible.
Point is, we know JW are far from Jesus-centric, quite the opposite. That's why you sound so fake

MaxInDHouse:
What is the religion of the person you are quoting so we can learn from his church?
Thank you!

He's obviously a Christian like you, but obviously doesn't belong to a cult group like JW

FreeIgboho:
Just to show you not everything has to be verbatim.
People obviously implicitly thanked Jesus in the Bible.
Point is, we know JW are far from Jesus-centric, quite the opposite. That's why you sound so fake

So what you are demanding is your own standard or yardstick not found in God's word!

FreeIgboho:
He's obviously a Christian like you, but obviously doesn't belong to a cult group like JW

He is not a Christian like me!

My own type of Christian believe in the works of just one organized group of Christ followers called "Jehovah's Witnesses" so if he doesn't believe in the same group as the only true disciples of Jesus Christ then he is not like me!

MaxInDHouse:
So what you are demanding is your own standard or yardstick not found in God's word!

They always said "... through our Lord and Savior Jesus", which JW never do.
The concept of thanking Jesus is present and encouraged throughout scriptures. Early Christians constantly expressed gratitude to Jesus for his sacrifice and salvation.

MaxInDHouse:
He is not a Christian like me!

My own type of Christian believe in the works of just one organized group of Christ followers called "Jehovah's Witnesses" so if he doesn't believe in the same group as the only true disciples of Jesus Christ then he is not like me!

The word for ANYONE who professes belief in Jesus is "Christian". You might want to invent your own language

FreeIgboho:
They always said "... through our Lord and Savior Jesus", which JW never do.
The concept of thanking Jesus is present and encouraged throughout scriptures. Early Christians constantly expressed gratitude to Jesus for his sacrifice and salvation.

You are still setting up a standard that's not made mandatory by early Christians yet you keep on agitating as if that's what Jesus commanded his disciples to do!

Well let me enlighten you regarding the WORKS of true believers on planet earth today.

Jesus is the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:7} his wise counsel will help millions to set aside racial prejudice and embrace one another as brothers and sisters globally {Isaiah 2:2-4 compare to Zephaniah 3:9} that is what Jesus taught his disciples to achieve globally {Act 1:8} so that believers in Christ will not raise weapons against their fellow believers {John 13:34-35} and later they must extend the same kind of love to all their neighbors! Mark 12:31

When we preach and teach about God's Kingdom under Christ Jesus we are telling whoever is willing to listen that our Master, Lord and King Christ Jesus is coming to judge all matters just as he promised {Revelations 22:11-12} therefore we don't pick up weapons for justice because we BELIEVE in Jesus who said:


For the Son of man is to come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and then he will repay each one according to his behavior. Matthew 16:27

So throughout the earth today Jehovah's Witnesses have gathered millions of like minded people who are patiently waiting for Jesus to come and do justice to the badness on this planet therefore none of them lift a carry weapon against his neighbor due to injustice!

FreeIgboho:
The word for ANYONE who professes belief in Jesus is "Christian".

Funny enough if you believe i am also a Christian then why the agitation in the first place?
After all each of you can face any direction you wish!

Well let me poke your bubble the guy is still associating with Jehovah's Witnesses even though he said he doesn't want to be one of us.

So how do you quantify such a person?

MaxInDHouse:
You are still setting up a standard that's not made mandatory by early Christians yet you keep on agitating as if that's what Jesus commanded his disciples to do!

Well let me enlighten you regarding the WORKS of true believers on planet earth today.

Jesus is the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:7} his wise counsel will help millions to set aside racial prejudice and embrace one another as brothers and sisters globally {Isaiah 2:2-4 compare to Zephaniah 3:9} that is what Jesus taught his disciples to achieve globally {Act 1:8} so that believers in Christ will not raise weapons against their fellow believers {John 13:34-35} and later they must extend the same kind of love to all their neighbors! Mark 12:31

When we preach and teach about God's Kingdom under Christ Jesus we are telling whoever is willing to listen that our Master, Lord and King Christ Jesus is coming to judge all matters just as he promised {Revelations 22:11-12} therefore we don't pick up weapons for justice because we BELIEVE in Jesus who said:


For the Son of man is to come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and then he will repay each one according to his behavior. Matthew 16:27

So throughout the earth today Jehovah's Witnesses have gathered millions of like minded people who are patiently waiting for Jesus to come and do justice to the badness on this planet therefore none of them lift a carry weapon against his neighbor due to injustice!

You're always invoking picking up of weapons but you cozily enjoy the safety and security afforded by picking up weapons. It's like saying you're against taxation but enjoy all the amenities afforded from taxes!

You sound so fake and pretentious focusing on Jesus, knowing fully well your organization do no such thing. What good is anything you do about God if you don't believe he is God??
You've been arguing since forever that Jesus is just a messenger like Moses and that his "I am" was just the way he spoke. When clearly, his "I am" was meant to convey he is God. Not only that, he KNEW the Jews would understand that to be what he meant - because it was what he meant!! He didn't just want to come out and say it plainly because he knew they'd kill him for it, he just didn't want to be killed before the appointed time!

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FreeIgboho:
Here's our exchange. Please what didn't I understand?
Me: If everything happened as stated in the Bible would you believe Jesus is God?

You: If there was evidence they did, most likely i would

Sorry I didn't know you'd mind my referencing your response to others on the thread

What I mind is mischaracterising my response. The people you are speaking to already know my stance, I didn't say anything new but to say it that way when they already believe the Bible is true is very misleading.

FreeIgboho:
You're always invoking picking up of weapons but you cozily enjoy the safety and security afforded by picking up weapons. It's like saying you're against taxation but enjoy all the amenities afforded from taxes!
You sound so fake and pretentious focusing on Jesus, knowing fully well your organization do no such thing. What good is anything you do about God if you don't believe he is God??
You've been arguing since forever that Jesus is just a messenger like Moses and that his "I am" was just the way he spoke. When clearly, his "I am" was meant to convey he is God. Not only that, he KNEW the Jews would understand that to be what he meant - because it was what he meant!! He didn't just want to come out and say it plainly because he knew they'd kill him for it, he just didn't want to be killed before the appointed time!

Well i think i've made myself clear enough so stop calling my name at least you have people who believe in your I AM go and worship with them or is your Jesus crying over those who doesn't call him their God?

MaxInDHouse:
Well i think i've made myself clear enough so stop calling my name at least you have people who believe in your I AM go and worship with them or is your Jesus crying over those who doesn't call him their God?

Now he's my Jesus. No more pretending, eh? At least now you have shown your real self. Good! Stop pretending just for the forum!

LordReed:
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What I mind is mischaracterising my response. The people you are speaking to already know my stance, I didn't say anything new but to say it that way when they already believe the Bible is true is very misleading.

Exactly. They already knew - that's why I didn't think it was such a big deal. Any open-minded person who believes the Bible is true has to believe Jesus is God

FreeIgboho:
Our brains are so limited we don't know what is "real" and what is not. Our dreams seem totally real to us until we wake up.

Dude we have had this conversation before. If you want to be in a solipsistic trap then have at it, don't lump me in. I am not a solipsist, so I don't subscribe to your inability to recognise reality.

No, I was referencing my own words from the OP.
Remember?
4) God exists in a dimension you can neither visualize, explain, nor comprehend.
I never said they were your words

Then don't phrase like I said it. Phrase it like you said it.

FreeIgboho:
Exactly. They already knew - that's why I didn't think it was such a big deal. Any open-minded person who believes the Bible is true has to believe Jesus is God

Your mischaracterisation can lead them to thinking I have shifted my position is the point.

FreeIgboho:
Now he's my Jesus. No more pretending, eh? At least now you have shown your real self. Good! Stop pretending just for the forum!

Your Jesus differs from mine so it's not the same Jesus you and i are talking about that's why i say "your Jesus"
But you can still prove that you are talking about the Bible Jesus by presenting where he said we should worship him as our God!

LordReed:
Your mischaracterisation can lead them to thinking I have shifted my position is the point.

His mischaracterisation can't change his comment nor yours i take each person for what they say not what others say about them!

LordReed:
Then don't phrase like I said it. Phrase it like you said it.

I don't know how I phrased it like you said it.
Here's the statement:

... yet you insist that God that exists outside time and in a dimension beyond your comprehension and imagination be coherent to your extremely limited brain!

It ought be obvious you couldn't have said : "God exists outside time and in a dimension beyond my comprehension and imagination"!

LordReed:
Your mischaracterisation can lead them to thinking I have shifted my position is the point.

MaxInDHouse:
His mischaracterisation can't change his comment nor yours i take each person for what they say not what others say about them!

This Max. can't you read? There was no mischaraterisation! Reed said if it were proven to him that the Bible is true he'd believe Jesus is God - like any opn-minded person with no preconceived notion of God!

MaxInDHouse:
Your Jesus differs from mine so it's not the same Jesus you and i are talking about that's why i say "your Jesus"
But you can still prove that you are talking about the Bible Jesus by presenting where he said we should worship him as our God!

Not only was he worshipped, he ACCEPTED worship - unlike any other person in the history of the Jews till date. Any other person would rebuke you for trying to worship them. He was worshipped in numerous instances, with both individuals and groups acknowledging his divine status through acts of worship. See some below

FreeIgboho:
This Max. can't you read? There was no mischaraterisation! Reed said if it were proven to him that the Bible is true he'd believe Jesus is God - like any opn-minded person with no preconceived notion of God!

You don't know him like i do so leave the matter it's of no sense to him!

FreeIgboho:
Not only was he worshipped, he ACCEPTED worship - unlike any other person in the history of the Jews till date. Any other person would rebuke you for trying to worship them. He was worshipped in numerous instances, with both individuals and groups acknowledging his divine status through acts of worship. See some below

You keep jumping around when i've my stand clear.

Just quote where Jesus said his disciples should worship him that's all!

MaxInDHouse:
You don't know him like i do so leave the matter it's of no sense to him!

But I know what he said - which is what any soncere, open-minded person would say

FreeIgboho:
But I know what he said - which is what any soncere, open-minded person would say

You misconstrued his statement, he is a REAL atheist and not just a professed one so he will never ever agree that there is any God no matter your proof!

MaxInDHouse:
You keep jumping around when i've my stand clear.

Just quote where Jesus said his disciples should worship him that's all!

I've told you before, many things are clearly implied in the Bible without being said explicitly. If someone told you he is God and doesn't object when you worship him, what does that amount to?

FreeIgboho:
I've told you before, many things are clearly implied in the Bible without being said explicitly. If someone told you he is God and doesn't object when you worship him, what does that amount to?

Nobody worshiped Jesus the word your I AM people misconstrued is OBEISANCE not worship so the only way to establish this is by quoting Jesus himself demanding worship from his disciples otherwise what he said is:

"This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ." John 17:3

And also said:

“Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God." John 20:17

Ọmọ it's clear enough that Jesus is just a worshiper of my God but if you want another Jesus you can create that for yourself!

MaxInDHouse:
You misconstrued his statement, he is a REAL atheist and not just a professed one so he will never ever agree that there is any God no matter your proof!

He answered a HYPOTHETICAL question.
Just like if someone asked you "If it was proven there is NO God will you still be a JW?"

FreeIgboho:
He answered a HYPOTHETICAL question.
Just like if someone asked you "If it was proven there is NO God will you still be a JW?"

Well i don't have to drag this with you he has spoken for himself!

MaxInDHouse:
Nobody worshiped Jesus the word your I AM people misconstrued is OBEISANCE not worship so the only way to establish this is by quoting Jesus himself demanding worship from his disciples otherwise what he said is:

"This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ." John 17:3

And also said:

“Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God." John 20:17

Ọmọ it's clear enough that Jesus is just a worshiper of my God but if you want another Jesus you can create that for yourself!

What do you understand worship to mean? Why did Peter and others say "don't worship me" if no one was worshipping them?