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Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by Everyday247: 10:23am On Jul 03, 2025
LordReed:
The bolded is why I am an Igtheist. The concept of gods in general is incoherent. It is baby talk trying to masquerade as serious thought.

Nothing happened is the point. Those things are just embellished stories.
Igtheist? What's that about? huh
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by tctrills: 11:44am On Jul 03, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
No JW ever condemn another that impostor registered a new account just to make gullible people like you feel JWs are attacking one another because i exposed false religions as you people can't agree on doctrine.

You can ask him to tell you one single thing i teach here that's not according to JW standard! cheesy

As for our own God you and all your folks know us to be Jehovah's Witnesses it's you and your cohorts that's ashamed to mention the name of your churches because you can't speak for your leaders! wink

Your friend doesn't know that JWs are special people he thought he could use a new account to cause confusion.

Here is the date he registered the account in fact his first comment was so offensive that Nairaland mod had to ban him!
He called you an imposter and now you call him an imposter. A house that fights against itself can never stand.
We can't take any of you serious because you have proven that you are a divided house.
All my years on Nairaland, I have never seen Catholics behave so stupidly neither have I seen deeper life members act like that. Only JW members fight each other online.
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by FreeIgboho(op): 12:47pm On Jul 03, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
I can't be open minded than i am doing right now!
I asked you to mention the name of your church you refused ok present the group that is practicing what your I AM teaches so i can learn from them you got provoked, i asked you to list the works of your I AM at least let me see the things that shows there is a living God bearing I AM you insulted me yet you said i should open my mind.
How?
So it's until i say
"i agree your Jesus is God" that's when you will know i've been open minded shey?
Your friend tctrill who said he agreed came to argue with you in the first place:



But shied away when i told both of you that true believers should have the same line of thought {John 17:22; 1Corinthans 1:10; Ephesians 4:3} isn't that the reason you started calling me names?
Ọmọ nobody stops you from worshiping your I AM so go and worship your I AM in peace! smiley
You just lying up and down, where did I call you names and when did you ask me all those things? U must be mistaking me for somebody else.
And you craftly did not include my response to tctrills. Here it is below:

FreeIgboho:
"Know God" is different from using human logic to understand how God can be in heaven and still be in each of us, or be able to listen to millions of prayers simultaneously, or in heaven while also dying on a cross, or raise himself from dead as if dissolved, with the wrappings untouched. Those are what's beyond human reasoning and logic
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by Janosky: 1:11pm On Jul 03, 2025
FreeIgboho:
You just lying up and down, where did I call you names and when did you ask me all those things? U must be mistaking me for somebody else.
And you craftly did not include my response to tctrills. Here it is below:
You have used words such as "cult" ,"robots & "brainwashed" to reference JW's on this forum.

Oga , is that how you show respect ?
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by FreeIgboho(op): 1:22pm On Jul 03, 2025
Janosky:
You have used words such as "cult" ,"robots & "brainwashed" to reference JW's on this forum.

Oga , is that how you show respect ?
Show where I personally called him names like he personally called me dumb (that I have no sense), and that I lack self-countrol.
Also, show where I called JW robots on this thread or brainwashed. "Cult" is only descriptive - every list of Christian cults always include JW
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by Janosky: 1:39pm On Jul 03, 2025
FreeIgboho:
You are being economical with the truth and you know it.
Here's Acts 10:
25 As Peter entered the house, Cornelius met him and fell at his feet and worshipped him. 26 But Peter made him get up. “Stand up,” he said, “I am only a man myself.”

Can u ever in a million years imagine Jesus saying that?
Nobody worshipped Peter or Jesus.

It's a great error to use the word "worship" to reference any servant of Jehovah God @ Acts 10:25 or Matthew 2;11.

The proper word is homage or obeisance @ Matt 2:11 or Acts 10:25.
Because Jehovah's instructions of Deuteronomy 6:13 that Jesus Christ repeated at Matthew 4:10 & Revelation 19:10 is very sacrosanct.


Common English Bible
11 They entered the house and saw the child with Mary his mother. Falling to their knees, they honored him
. Then they opened their treasure chests and presented him with gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh.
Read Matthew (CEB)

The Darby Translation
11 And having come into the house they saw the little child with Mary his mother, and falling down did him homage"

These translations examples used the proper word to refer to Peter and Jesus.
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by LordReed(m): 1:46pm On Jul 03, 2025
Everyday247:
Igtheist? What's that about? huh
Igtheists think the concept of god(s) is incoherent and thus meaningless.
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by DeepSight(m): 1:48pm On Jul 03, 2025
LordReed:
Of course it is problematic because it is at best speculation. You have no evidence outside of the universe itself. So where do you get the basis for thinking there is a nonphysical source of the universe?
From logic. A mutable thing, a finite thing, a thing that has a beginning, logically cannot be the source of itself. Therefore, the universe being all of these, cannot possibly the source of itself. Ergo, if matter is finite and has a beginning, then its source cannot be matter - thus it must be immaterial.

That simplicity leads me to call it nothing other than the universe. I have no reason to call it a god becuase I have simplified it.
Above explained is the reason why the universe cannot be the source of all that exists.

Look sir: the source of all that exists necessaily must be self existent. A self-existent thing must also necessarily and logically be immutable. The universe is mutable, ergo, it cannot be self-existent and thus it cannot be the source of all that exists.

Please do not be tempted to simply say as you often say that these are just word gymnastics - reflect closely on the though development and the logic of what I am giving you.

No i don't consider them beings since they have no minds or wills.

Hive minds only exist in scifi. Bees and other eusocial animals have "organised" cooperation.

It doesn't matter what makes up the individual as long as those 3 attributes can be demonstrated.
The point I am trying to put to you is that whatever GOD is, you cannot look at it they way you look at individuals in the human sense. IT far exceeds not just us, but the entire universe, and so be careful with applying anthropormorphic considerations.
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by Janosky: 2:09pm On Jul 03, 2025
FreeIgboho:
Show where I personally called him names like he personally called me dumb (that I have no sense), and that I lack self-countrol.
Also, show where I called JW robots on this thread or brainwashed. "Cult" is only descriptive - every list of Christian cults always include JW

FreeIgboho:
See this one, you and Maxindhouse. That's exactly what happens with a pathetic cult

That label (whether you call it "christian cult"wink is very wrong.
Jesus said "Be my follower".
Do you disagree with Jesus or dissent ANY of his instructions?
Every indices to qualify that label is applicable to whichever group or denomination you adhere to or practice.
You are not by any means exempted.
You point one finger at JW's while your four fingers point back at you.
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Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by Janosky: 2:21pm On Jul 03, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Whoever calls other religions "CULT" you ought to ask him to present his own nah! cheesy

That's why i said you don't know anything because unity of faith is what Jesus established among his disciples {John 17:22} therefore confused religionists will surely label Jesus' friends as CULT! Matthew 10:24-25 smiley
Dem dey pay all kinds of monthly fees (without dissent) to pastors wey go sign their payment card like Osusu contribution.

Dem dey buy holy water for protection.

Nah the same people dey open mouth shout "christian cult to label JW's.
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Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by Janosky: 2:40pm On Jul 03, 2025
FreeIgboho:
This is blasphemy.
Mention any place in the Bible or anywhere else where Jesus told someone not to worship him. How can a divine being even THINK of saying that?!
New American Standard Bible Matthew 4:10
Then Jesus said to him, “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD, AND SERVE HIM ONLY"


SERVE & WORSHIP ONLY Jehovah.
Emphasis on the word "ONLY".

Oga,DO NOT ADD to Jesus instruction copied from his Father's command @ Deuteronomy 6:13.
John 12:49-50, Oga did Jesus Christ ADD to his Father's instructions?

Nah your fellow Trinitarians post this screenshot on Facebook.
Go and verify.

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Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by Janosky: 2:52pm On Jul 03, 2025
FreeIgboho:
Quote a verse where they said
"Thank you Jehovah God" as JW always say.
He's just an angel to you folks, just another messenger like Moses, so why your pretentious focus on him on this forum.
You don't realize it, but it sounds so fake! cheesy
Psalm 107:1 "Give thanks to Jehovah, for He is good."

We have a great regard for Jesus Christ.
John 20:17 our God Jehovah is his God.
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by Janosky: 2:57pm On Jul 03, 2025
FreeIgboho:
EXACTLY!
Maxindhouse come get some education, you and Janosky!
Oga, I challenge you to use your Bible provide evidence where Jesus instructed you to worship 2 Spirits.


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Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by Janosky: 3:03pm On Jul 03, 2025
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FreeIgboho:
Just to show you not everything has to be verbatim.
People obviously implicitly thanked Jesus in the Bible.
Point is, we know JW are far from Jesus-centric, quite the opposite. That's why you sound so fake
[b]Oga, what is fake about John 12:49-50 & Matthew 4:10?

John 12:49-50 & Matthew 4:10, Jesus Christ gave us the instruction that God his Father taught him from Deuteronomy 6:13.
I must gladly obey.
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by Janosky: 3:04pm On Jul 03, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
So what you are demanding is your own standard or yardstick not found in God's word! smiley

Bro, make him bring evidence that John 12:49-50 & Matthew 4:10 no dey him Bible.

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Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by Janosky: 3:09pm On Jul 03, 2025
FreeIgboho:
They always said "... through our Lord and Savior Jesus", which JW never do.
The concept of thanking Jesus is present and encouraged throughout scriptures. Early Christians constantly expressed gratitude to Jesus for his sacrifice and salvation.

Oga, put Ephesians 3:14-15 in your heart.
Jesus Christ converted & taught Paul the apostle.

Una too dey deceive yourselves.
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by DeepSight(m): 3:49pm On Jul 03, 2025
LordReed:
Igtheists think the concept of god(s) is incoherent and thus meaningless.
So you are an Igtheist?

If so, you should not even discuss the subject at all.

As far as I understand, it would be like discussing the existence of a square circle.
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by Everyday247: 4:03pm On Jul 03, 2025
LordReed:
Igtheists think the concept of god(s) is incoherent and thus meaningless.
What do you mean by incoherent?

Improbability?

How's that different from atheism?
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:17pm On Jul 03, 2025
tctrills:
He called you an imposter and now you call him an imposter. A house that fights against itself can never stand.
We can't take any of you serious because you have proven that you are a divided house.
All my years on Nairaland, I have never seen Catholics behave so stupidly neither have I seen deeper life members act like that. Only JW members fight each other online.
Ẹjọ́ ẹ, máa wí bẹ́ẹ̀ kiri! cheesy
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:18pm On Jul 03, 2025
FreeIgboho:
You just lying up and down, where did I call you names and when did you ask me all those things? U must be mistaking me for somebody else.
And you craftly did not include my response to tctrills. Here it is below:
Did you call Jehovah's Witnesses CULT? smiley
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:20pm On Jul 03, 2025
Janosky:
You have used words such as "cult" ,"robots & "brainwashed" to reference JW's on this forum.
Oga , is that how you show respect ?
He set rules but cannot live by his own rules.

What a pity? embarassed
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:26pm On Jul 03, 2025
Janosky:
You have used words such as "cult" ,"robots & "brainwashed" to reference JW's on this forum.
Oga , is that how you show respect ?
He is so funny that he forgot to keep his own words to heart:


FreeIgboho:
(Please DO NOT come close to insulting anyone's beliefs on this thread, be it directly or indirectly, overtly or covertly. Especially do NOT talk bad about Jehovah's Witnesses or Moslems. Mods please help us ban anyone who violates this)
I wonder if he really meant what he typed here or he was in a trance when typing the above! smiley
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by Emusan(m): 4:37pm On Jul 03, 2025
Janosky:
Nobody worshipped Peter or Jesus.
If nobody worshipped Peter, why did Peter act this way by saying: 'But Peter lifted him up, saying: “Rise; I too am just a man.” - NWT

Are people not taking honor or obeisance from people?
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by Emusan(m): 4:40pm On Jul 03, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Did you call Jehovah's Witnesses CULT? smiley
So it pains you whenever JWs are being called CULT but I thought you always happy with it as Jesus was also called grin cheesy grin cheesy grin
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:54pm On Jul 03, 2025
Emusan:
So it pains you whenever JWs are being called CULT but I thought you always happy with it as Jesus was also called grin cheesy grin cheesy grin
You're always running off point!

This is what the young man typed with his own hands:

FreeIgboho:
(Please DO NOT come close to insulting anyone's beliefs on this thread, be it directly or indirectly, overtly or covertly. Especially do NOT talk bad about Jehovah's Witnesses or Moslems. Mods please help us ban anyone who violates this)
My point: Is he obeying his own rules? smiley
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by Emusan(m): 5:03pm On Jul 03, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
You're always running off point!

This is what the young man typed with his own hands:

My point: Is he obeying his own rules? smiley
Calling JWs 'CULT' might not be an insult to him but a fact, it's left for you to ask him.

But for you to point that out and see it as INSULT shows it hits you badly even though you always pretend to be proud of it since Jesus was called same.

So my point still stands.
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:55pm On Jul 03, 2025
Emusan:
Calling JWs 'CULT' might not be an insult to him but a fact, it's left for you to ask him. But for you to point that out and see it as INSULT shows it hits you badly even though you always pretend to be proud of it since Jesus was called same.
So my point still stands.
FreeIgboho:
(Please DO NOT come close to insulting anyone's beliefs on this thread, be it directly or indirectly, overtly or covertly. Especially do NOT talk bad about Jehovah's Witnesses or Moslems. Mods please help us ban anyone who violates this)
There is no need arguing with you! cheesy
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by Emusan(m): 6:29pm On Jul 03, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
There is no need arguing with you! cheesy
And the question remains, saying JWs are cults is that an insult?
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by FreeIgboho(op): 8:33pm On Jul 03, 2025
Emusan:
So it pains you whenever JWs are being called CULT but I thought you always happy with it as Jesus was also called grin cheesy grin cheesy grin
No mind MaxIndhouse. All these were thrashed out in posts, as you can see below:

FreeIgboho:
You goaded me into saying something I wouldn't have said!
I mean how can Jews say verbatim:
John 10:33,: "We are not stoning you for any good work," they replied, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God,"
Yet you keep insisting they were not going to stone him for claiming to be God! Jeez!
Anyway I didn't mean to be insulting and if you take it as such I hereby withdraw the statement.
But if I don't use "sheepishly" what word would you advice me to use?
FreeIgboho:
You just said I don't know anything and that I lack self control, yet those are not insults!
Show me a list of Christian cults that does not include JW.
Here's one partial list of Christian cults
It was clearly demonstrated that Jesus knew what people would think (another thing you'd associate with God). Obviously he KNEW they'd know what he meant - that he was God! Not only that, he spoke with authority. Now imagine someone who spoke with authority say emphatically "I Am" instead of the grammatically correct "I was"
FreeIgboho:
Many, many things point to Jesus being God the Son of God. The "I am" thing is only a small part of it. Why not open your mind and see things as they really are? Why must you close your mind?!
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by Janosky: 9:04pm On Jul 03, 2025
FreeIgboho:
No mind MaxIndhouse. All these were thrashed out in posts, as you can see below:

John 10:33

@Deuteronomy 6:4 The Jews believe there is only one God, Jehovah.

@ John 10:33,(confirmed by John 19:7) the Jews believed Jesus is NOT the God of Deuteronomy 6:4.

Your Trinitarian mentors gave biased rendition of John 10:33. Them change am to capital G.
The same small letter Theos (god) is @ 2 Corinthians 4:4, Acts 28:6, 1 Corinthians 8:4
Screenshot evidence.

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Jesus quoted Psalms 82:6 (@ John 10:34-36) to prove he is a god because God his Father calls his son a god.
Jesus is a god, the Son of God.
God's Sons=gods.

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