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Janosky:
@Deuteronomy 6:4 The Jews believe there is only one God, Jehovah.

@ John 10:33,(confirmed by John 19:7) the Jews believed Jesus is NOT the God of Deuteronomy 6:4.

Your Trinitarian mentors gave biased rendition of John 10:33. Them change am to capital G.
The same small letter Theos (god) is @ 2 Corinthians 4:4, Acts 28:6, 1 Corinthians 8:4-5.
Screenshot evidence.


Jesus quoted Psalms 82:6 (@ John 10:34-36) to prove he is a god because God his Father calls his son god.
Jesus is a god, the Son of God.
God's Sons=gods.

FreeIgboho:
You're always invoking picking up of weapons but you cozily enjoy the safety and security afforded by picking up weapons. It's like saying you're against taxation but enjoy all the amenities afforded from taxes!

You sound so fake and pretentious focusing on Jesus, knowing fully well your organization do no such thing. What good is anything you do about God if you don't believe he is God??
You've been arguing since forever that Jesus is just a messenger like Moses and that his "I am" was just the way he spoke. When clearly, his "I am" was meant to convey he is God. Not only that, he KNEW the Jews would understand that to be what he meant - because it was what he meant!! He didn't just want to come out and say it plainly because he knew they'd kill him for it, he just didn't want to be killed before the appointed time!

Janosky:
Nobody worshipped Peter or Jesus.

It's a great error to use the word "worship" to reference any servant of Jehovah God @ Acts 10:25 or Matthew 2;11.

The proper word is homage or obeisance @ Matt 2:11 or Acts 10:25.
Because Jehovah's instructions of Deuteronomy 6:13 that Jesus Christ repeated at Matthew 4:10 & Revelation 19:10 is very sacrosanct.


Common English Bible
11 They entered the house and saw the child with Mary his mother. Falling to their knees, they honored him. Then they opened their treasure chests and presented him with gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh.
Read Matthew (CEB)

The Darby Translation
11 And having come into the house they saw the little child with Mary his mother, and falling down did him homage"

These translations examples used the proper word to refer to Peter and Jesus.

Janosky:
Jesus said "I Am " @ John 4:25-26. @Mark 13:61-62. @John 8:24,28
Is that what he meant?

Is "OLANIYI" in Yoruba meaning the same thing in Igbo?
NEVER !!!!!!
@John 8:19,58, Jesus Christ rejected your claim.
You don't know God his Father.

@Matthew 27:46,50 I believe Jesus.
Men didn't kill the God of Exodus 3:6,14..
Jesus cried to the God of Exodus 3:6,14 @ Matthew 27;46,50.

FreeIgboho:
This is soo ridiculous! So how come in all the history of Israel to date he was the only one about to be stonned to death for claiming to be God??

FreeIgboho:
How come he is the only one who never refused worship??

FreeIgboho:
How come he is the only person we refer to as still alive and use "was" for every other person??

FreeIgboho:
How come he's the only one worshipped as an infant (or how and WHY do you show "obeisance" to an infant?).

FreeIgboho:
Too many things point to his divinity.

FreeIgboho:
You keep issuing one ridiculous denial after another. The bible is meant to be taken together, NOT cherrypicked!

FreeIgboho:
To avoid all confusion henceforth please define "worship" for us. When Satan told Jesus “if you will bow down and worship me.”, what did he mean?

FreeIgboho:
Why would the three kings be kneeling down for an infant? What else would define "worship"?

FreeIgboho:
Your throwing up Bible verse numbers all over the place means nothing. Tell us what it says like I always do. No one has the time to go chasing down a myriad of verse numbers!

Janosky:
Jesus said "I Am " @ John 4:25-26. @Mark 13:61-62. @John 8:24,28
Is that what he meant?

Is "OLANIYI" in Yoruba meaning the same thing in Igbo?
NEVER !!!!!!
@John 8:19,58, Jesus Christ rejected your claim.
You don't know God his Father.

@Matthew 27:46,50 I believe Jesus.
Men didn't kill the God of Exodus 3:6,14..
Jesus cried to the God of Exodus 3:6,14 @ Matthew 27;46,50.

Janosky:
Satan is a cunning Usurper.
Matthew 4:10.
Worship is EXCLUSIVE, Jehovah God ONLY.
Jesus Christ can NOT give Satan what belongs ONLY to God his Senior.
Rather, Jesus Christ SUBMITS ONLY to God his Senior, John 12:49-50.
Do NOT go beyond Matthew 4:10 to worship another Being called Jesus.
You either get it or you don't get it.


Oga, your former President kneeling down before a prominent monarch old enough to be his child or grand child.

Oga,Is that worship?

Janosky:

@Deuteronomy 6:4 The Jews believe there is only one God, Jehovah.
@ John 10:33,(confirmed by John 19:7) the Jews believed Jesus is NOT the God of Deuteronomy 6:4.
Your Trinitarian mentors gave biased rendition of John 10:33. Them change am to capital G.
The same small letter Theos (god) is @ 2 Corinthians 4:4, Acts 28:6, 1 Corinthians 8:4
Screenshot evidence.

Jesus quoted Psalms 82:6 (@ John 10:34-36) to prove he is a god because God his Father calls his son a god.
Jesus is a god, the Son of God.
God's Sons=gods.

Everyday247:
What do you mean by incoherent?

Improbability?

How's that different from atheism?

DeepSight:
So you are an Igtheist?

If so, you should not even discuss the subject at all.

As far as I understand, it would be like discussing the existence of a square circle.

LordReed:
Actually I shouldn't but some of these discussions feel so compelling that I shed that label to dive in.

Ultimately though that is where my thoughts lead me.

DeepSight:
LordReed.

Let me leave also two images in your mind.

1. A baby in a womb. Silent, thoughtless and unknowing of the existence of an entire world of people, events, color and life beyond the warmth of the silent womb where it dwells.

2. A fish which dwells in the deep of the sea, never approaching the surface. If it were told that that worm it sometimes sees stuck on a string is actually being dangled by a creature called a man who lives in a world outside the sea and has technology and art, not only will he not believe it, he will not even comprehend it. It might seem incoherent to him.

LordReed:
None of these work because neither is capable of reasoning.

LordReed:
None of these work because neither is capable of reasoning.

DeepSight:
Secondly, you are at all events wrong and presumptuous to say that fish are incapable of reasoning.

LordReed:
LoLz. Ok lemme qualify my statement they are not capable of higher reasoning.

DeepSight:
Better.

Nevertheless in the analogy given, there are still fish that with some level of experience know that the worm is being dangled by a man sitting outside the sea.

Also, even with your qualification, still be careful. We asre not in the minds of animals and we presume alot especially as we dont understand their language. The things that some dolphins and even dogs do should give cause for pause on our presumptions.

LordReed:
If it were the case they would be communicating amongst themselves the fate of those who eat the worm but that doesn't seem to be the case.

DeepSight:
Research. They do.

LordReed:
So? Let's grant that they do, it still doesn't rise to the level of reasoning required.

LordReed:
So? Let's grant that they do, it still doesn't rise to the level of reasoning required.

DeepSight:
Anyway, I hope you appreciate that this is irrelevant. And completely beside the point of the analogy made.

Even if we were to grant your take, consider that to any beings sitting outside the "womb" or "sea" of our universe, we took would be quite as dumb as fish.

MaxInDHouse:
It's OK my brother, leave him with his I AM worshipers at least they all know JWs are people of a faith that's working {James 2:18-26} just as Jesus said:

Now this is the basis for judgment: that the light has come into the world, but men have loved the darkness rather than the light, for their works were wicked. For whoever practices vile things hates the light and does not come to the light, so that his works may not be reproved. But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that his works may be made manifest as having been done in harmony with God.” John 3:19-21

Light is what everyone can see from afar so whoever goes into the light will become vulnerable to questioning because everyone is seeing what the light captures but what happens to darkness? People can hide under it as no one could see them in order to ask them any question.

What is the name of their churches?

If they want to prove they have the light let them mention the name of their churches so we can compare teachings and benefits gotten so far but if they are ashame there is no need arguing with them it's just a waste of time!

LordReed:
I disagree. Neither fish nor babies in the womb have the capacity to actually explore and investigate their environment systematically and rigorously, we do, that is why the analogy fails. If there are these "beings sitting outside" they are just as irrelevant as nonexistent beings.

FreeIgboho:
My GOOD brother.

MaxInDHouse:
The adjective is enough jàre {Luke 18:18} if you won't learn from me it's OK keep whatever you think to yourself i'm OK with my own faith along with millions of my brothers and sisters in JW!

DeepSight:
Do you think men have the capacity to explore beyond the universe.

LordReed:
Unclear. A jumble of words which when properly examined has little or no substance that furthers meaning.

It is not different, it's a branch of atheism.

LordReed:
That is a funny question. The universe is all that exists so you are asking if humans can explore beyond all that exists. Can you see how that dissolves into incoherence?