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Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by dollarnaira(op): 6:10am On Jul 04, 2025
yinkanig:
Used 18650 icr eve and Samsung cells cells in stock

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Brand new 300ah prismatic cell
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Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by tetralogyfallot(m): 6:34am On Jul 04, 2025
Trippledots:
A silent observer here.

I just want to ask a general question.

Is there still any motivation to build 18650packs when it seems the price is already been rivaled by new LFP, factory made packs?

Tetralogyfallot...how much are your cells going for? To help give context to my question.
it's really a challenge but I still feel it's cheaper to build than to buy branded batteries, though it may also depnds on where n how u source your materials. Let's use 10Kwh battery as a case study. With your less than 1.5m u can build a very good quality 10kWh lithium pack, where can u get a branded battery for even 1.8m? The price of my good quality capacity tested 3.2Ah LG cells hovers around 1k downward depending on the quantity. So let's do the maths. U need just around 910pcs of cells, thats if u take the cells capacity as 3Ah to achieve 10Kwh which amounts to 910k, don't compromise on good quality bms, use a very good quality smart bms like JK, which price ranges between 150k to 200k depending on the capacity sha, some even come with upto 2A active balancers. Active balancer is a very important component in battery building i wonder why some battery builders ignore balancers, 5A active balancer is around 25k or even less depending on where u get them. The other consumables like nickel strips, voltage display meter, terminals and good casing may not even cost upto 100k. Totaling everything results to something less than 1.3m where u wan see good branded 10kWh lithium battery for that kain amount?
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by tetralogyfallot(m): 6:45am On Jul 04, 2025
9ijaprince:
I'm wondering if an 80A BMS is too small for a 160Ah battery bank. Wouldn't that limit its performance? Just asking oga.
80A is not small, it's just 4kWh o bro. I don't feel 80A is small for a 4Kwh battery, u wan use AC with 4Kwh?
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by dollarnaira(op): 7:09am On Jul 04, 2025
9ijaprince:
I'm wondering if an 80A BMS is too small for a 160Ah battery bank. Wouldn't that limit its performance? Just asking oga.
It is difficult to pull 80a singly on a 12v system. The problem is, most don't know the use of a bms.
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by tetralogyfallot(m): 8:29am On Jul 04, 2025
barezy:
Hello boss, can you please open the stuff I will like to see the I side, hopefully I can follow your your setup too.

Also what's the name of the container Incase of I want to buy it in the market
i don't have the picture of the inside box and it's already in the client's house. It's an industrial distribution board box, it comes in many sizes depending on what u want to build. Feel free to chat me for any
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by dollarnaira(op): 8:32am On Jul 04, 2025
tetralogyfallot:
i don't have the picture of the inside box and it's already in the client's house. It's an industrial distribution board box, it comes in many sizes depending on what u want to build. Feel free to chat me for any
Chief Tetralogyfallot
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by Elizkid: 8:33am On Jul 04, 2025
AndroBlaze:
I've used the charger before. Its a smart charger, doesn't go beyond 14.4v.
So I can use it for 100ah 12v lifepo4 without any issues and it won’t trickle charge thinking my battery is lead?
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by Elizkid: 8:34am On Jul 04, 2025
Trippledots:
Actually in the reverse order...battery to controller, controller to charger, charger to power source....na one day person de hear something new.
It’s scary but I may experiment
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by Elizkid: 8:34am On Jul 04, 2025
Trippledots:
Actually in the reverse order...battery to controller, controller to charger, charger to power source....na one day person de hear something new.
It’s scary but I may experiment with it
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by Elizkid: 8:38am On Jul 04, 2025
tetralogyfallot:
it's really a challenge but I still feel it's cheaper to build than to buy branded batteries, though it may also depnds on where n how u source your materials. Let's use 10Kwh battery as a case study. With your less than 1.5m u can build a very good quality 10kWh lithium pack, where can u get a branded battery for even 1.8m? The price of my good quality capacity tested 3.2Ah LG cells hovers around 1k downward depending on the quantity. So let's do the maths. U need just around 910pcs of cells, thats if u take the cells capacity as 3Ah to achieve 10Kwh which amounts to 910k, don't compromise on good quality bms, use a very good quality smart bms like JK, which price ranges between 150k to 200k depending on the capacity sha, some even come with upto 2A active balancers. Active balancer is a very important component in battery building i wonder why some battery builders ignore balancers, 5A active balancer is around 25k or even less depending on where u get them. The other consumables like nickel strips, voltage display meter, terminals and good casing may not even cost upto 100k. Totaling everything results to something less than 1.3m where u wan see good branded 10kWh lithium battery for that kain amount?
What about the brainwork?

It takes precision and perfect know-how to solder 910 pieces of cylindric cells together without something going wrong.
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by tetralogyfallot(m): 10:18am On Jul 04, 2025
Elizkid:
What about the brainwork?

It takes precision and perfect know-how to solder 910 pieces of cylindric cells together without something going wrong.
without precision, smartness, passion, brainwork, adept knowledge and carefully inculcating good SAFETY MEASURES when building a battery it can never be achieved. Note: I highlighted safety measure, it's super important when building any battery cos lithium ion does not forgive any bad connection or any bad battery building practice. Usage of good quality BMS can never be over emphasised. I either use good quality materials when building a battery or not even build at all. I recently worked on some tesla battery modules, the way the cells were super protected was astonishing.
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by tetralogyfallot(m): 10:20am On Jul 04, 2025
dollarnaira:
Chief Tetralogyfallot
my oga at the top, I remain loyal boss.
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by Boye357: 10:25am On Jul 04, 2025
Can you please give give a ballpark estimate for this battery .
Also can normal transformer-based inverter charge them?

tetralogyfallot:
7s50p lithium ion built battery
Voltage: 25.9v
Capacity: 160Ah
Energy: 4kWh
BMS used: 80A
Active balancer: 1A
Pieces of cells used: 350pcs of 3.2A 18650 cells
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by Obnoxious2001(m): 10:34am On Jul 04, 2025
Elizkid:
How do I do that?

My battery is 100ah lifepo4 12v
Just buy a good BMS it will create an open circuit when the charger is trying to over charge the battery.

Besides I have only tested it in suoer 10A charger
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by AndroBlaze: 11:05am On Jul 04, 2025
Elizkid:
So I can use it for 100ah 12v lifepo4 without any issues and it won’t trickle charge thinking my battery is lead?
If your BMS can't handle trickle charge, then it's not a BMS. Also in practical terms, with lifepo you don't need to leave these kind of chargers connected to your batteries infinitely, it charges the battery fast so you just clip on and clip off.

I have a particular 100ah lifepo that has ONLY been connected to a smart charger and a old solar controller that uses only lead acid settings for almost a year, no problems at all.
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by AndroBlaze: 11:15am On Jul 04, 2025
dollarnaira:
It is difficult to pull 80a singly on a 12v system. The problem is, most don't know the use of a bms.
It's actually a 24v system he referenced, so twice the power.
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by fuckboys: 12:26pm On Jul 04, 2025
dollarnaira:
It is difficult to pull 80a singly on a 12v system. The problem is, most don't know the use of a bms.
I’ve pulled 93 on Haisic 12v, powering my microwave
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by dollarnaira(op):
fuckboys:
I’ve pulled 93 on Haisic 12v, powering my microwave
Hybrid right?

Still searching for power efficient microwave and air fryer.
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by officialfestus(m): 2:17pm On Jul 04, 2025
Trippledots:
A silent observer here.

I just want to ask a general question.

Is there still any motivation to build 18650packs when it seems the price is already been rivaled by new LFP, factory made packs?

Tetralogyfallot...how much are your cells going for? To help give context to my question.
To me, I no longer see need building the 18650 packs anymore, simply because the cost of building is almost equivalent to getting a new factory made LFP pack, and also the stress involved in building it.
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by officialfestus(m): 2:21pm On Jul 04, 2025
Obnoxious2001:
It can work for lithium ion, but you will need a good BMS.



Aside from that you can reconstruct it to supply 12.6v for lithium ion charging
is it possible to reconstruct the voltage to 12.6v with altering the amps?
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by dollarnaira(op): 3:18pm On Jul 04, 2025
officialfestus:
To me, I no longer see need building the 18650 packs anymore, simply because the cost of building is almost equivalent to getting a new factory made LFP pack, and also the stress involved in building it.
This will result to less demand of 18650.
But the energy density of lithium ion is huge. Almost all my builds were freely made and research purposes.
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by fuckboys: 3:23pm On Jul 04, 2025
dollarnaira:
Hybrid right?

Still searching for power efficient microwave and air fryer.
there is, my inverter Samsung microwave is 700w.
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by dollarnaira(op): 3:54pm On Jul 04, 2025
fuckboys:
there is, my inverter Samsung microwave is 700w.
Was is it this that pulled the above 93amp? What is the power surge pls?
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by fuckboys: 4:08pm On Jul 04, 2025
dollarnaira:
Was is it this that pulled the above 93amp? What is the power surge pls?
no, max power is 700w. I had other appliances on while powering the microwave.

Sometimes I pull 100plus amps.

I'm already making budgets for a 48v system, 12v can't handle my power needs anymore.
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by saint2ace(m): 6:03pm On Jul 04, 2025
officialfestus:
To me, I no longer see need building the 18650 packs anymore, simply because the cost of building is almost equivalent to getting a new factory made LFP pack, and also the stress involved in building it.
Welcome to my reality, agreed that the power density is insane but the stress as well as the materials needed if one is to do it properly is on another level, with lifepo4 one only needs to add busbars and slap on a bms and u're done.

All in less than an hour.

And with the drastic reduction in prices of lifepo4 it's actually a no-brainer to move to the chemistry.

However, for small compact systems, nothing beats lithium ion's energy density if you have the time.
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by ksmart027(m): 6:46pm On Jul 04, 2025
fuckboys:
no, max power is 700w. I had other appliances on while powering the microwave.

Sometimes I pull 100plus amps.

I'm already making budgets for a 48v system, 12v can't handle my power needs anymore.
Please how is your bread inverter holding on? I'm considering getting the 3.5kva 24v inverter. What about the fan noise, i hope is not very loud
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by dollarnaira(op):
fuckboys:
no, max power is 700w. I had other appliances on while powering the microwave.

Sometimes I pull 100plus amps.

I'm already making budgets for a 48v system, 12v can't handle my power needs anymore.
Thanks.
Yes, energy need is the koko especially when all appliances need to be turned on at once. If done in bits 12v still works great with sense.

If at I will hit 48v it will be 314ah i.e approximately 2m for cells only.

For now, I will still do another 12v at 314ah --- 4kwh as an upgrade but with 6000w Satchet inverter. All die na die grin grin grin.
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by Obnoxious2001(m): 7:23pm On Jul 04, 2025
officialfestus:
is it possible to reconstruct the voltage to 12.6v with altering the amps?
I don't think it will alter the amps
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by fuckboys: 8:16pm On Jul 04, 2025
ksmart027:
Please how is your bread inverter holding on? I'm considering getting the 3.5kva 24v inverter. What about the fan noise, i hope is not very loud
fan noise not loud, but always on 24/7. Has a dual fan.

Fan only gets loud during sunny hours when it’s firing juice into your battery and when it’s powering loads 40% and above its rated capacity.
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by dollarnaira(op): 8:24pm On Jul 04, 2025
fuckboys:
fan noise not loud, but always on 24/7. Has a dual fan.

Fan only gets loud during sunny hours when it’s firing juice into your battery and when it’s powering loads 40% and above its rated capacity.
Try replace the fans with brushless ones from controllers to inverters.
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by fuckboys: 9:06pm On Jul 04, 2025
dollarnaira:
Try replace the fans with brushless ones from controllers to inverters.
if it still works don’t fix it.
Re: Diy Lithium Ion Like-minds by dollarnaira(op): 9:12pm On Jul 04, 2025
fuckboys:
if it still works don’t fix it.
If you are comfortable with the noise.
I hate noise
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