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MaxInDHouse:
First of all i'm not a pastor and will never ever be one.
Secondly the idea that Yahweh is not the true God is a fallacy.
Lastly i thought you know the use of tone in Yorùbá but the highlighted shows you don't!

First, my calling you a pastor was just me teasing you, I didn't mean it literally
Second, you'll have to do more than this to show your point instead of just breathlessly mumbling that I'm wrong.
Third, my written Yoruba is not good, but the fact that it's the best response you've produced here tells me you're clueless on the overall topic.

tctrills:
No, that was meant for your brother. He is carried away by every wind that discredits Christ. The boy has zero opinion as long as it's against Christ. And yes expect to hear more.

Well that's not how I read him. He easily comes across as the most enlightened that has graced this thread so far, so I guess that's just your opinion. Like i said, I'll be waiting

Moremii:
Well that's not how I read him. He easily comes across as the most enlightened that has graced this thread so far, so I guess that's just your opinion. Like i said, I'll be waiting

You have made his day. I am sure he is celebrating your comments

Moremii:
Sir the evidence is in your own Bible. Look at the old and new testament, then compare notes: In the new testament (NT), Jesus speaks of the Supreme Father as a God of love and forgiveness. He also encourages mindfulness and curiosity. Then check the old testament (OT), and you will see a wrathful god that is completely unforgiving, driven by material obsession and jealousy. He said it himself that he's a jealous god, abi did that you skip that part or did that part skip you?

In the Old testament alone, he drowned the entire world, he commanded the slaughter of the canaanites, he obsessed over sacrifice, both burnt and live. He's a complete narcissist, obsessed with control and worship. Oya read him and read the God who sent Christ and tell me the difference if you're honest enough to admit it.

It's no use playing dumb, unless you're truly THAT ignorant here. You worship a deity who created a world filled to the brim with suffering, diseases, pain and death, only to turn around and blame humanity for its "fallen" condition. When we look at the gnostic cosmogony, there is perfect explanation that makes sense if you use your rational mind: Yaldaboath, birthed from the misguided emanations of Sophia, created a flawed material realms and proclaims himself the only god. This is exactly what your Yahweh did in the OT.

Here, let me show you.....

Yaldabaoth modeled his creation
On the pattern of the original realms above him
So that it might be just like the indestructible realms.

[Not that he had ever seen the indestructible ones.
Rather, the power in him, deriving from his mother,
made him aware of the pattern of the cosmos above.]

When he gazed upon his creation surrounding him
He said to his host of demons
The ones who had come forth out of him:
“I am a jealous God and there is no God but me!” (The Apocryphon of John)

Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; (Exodus 20:5)

I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: (Isaiah 45:5)

If you're looking for evidence, read your Bible with an open mind. Why do you think the Valentinians and especially Marcionites rejected the god of the Hebrew Bible? In the case of the Marcionites, they rejected the Bible in all its entirety. It was when the proto-orthodox faction needed Roman imperial support that the apostolic cover up started to retrofit Christianity into a state religion. There are videos all over the internet about these things, so I'm not just rambling. You can check them out for yourself.

Again to summarize your point because the new testament emphasized on love much more than the old, Christians worship Yaldaboath.
This is your idea of sound reasoning?

Goosethetruth:
Interesting...
I see traces of Marcion of Sinope in this your write up. He was the first personality in the church to create his own bibliography which excluded the Demiurge God of the old testament.
His own Bible consisted of the gospels and the letters of Paul but the church elders and leaders branded him a heretic and a blasphemer . They confisticated and burned all copies of this Bible and banished Marcion.

However reading your thread further I see that you probably know about Marcion already.
I personally find that most Christians don't know much about their Bible and it's origins and are not even interested in knowing any thing about the Bible, in fact I would go further to state that Christians are scared to research into the history of the Bible because the mind control is very deep
Closely following this thread.

Yes Sir, I'm actually very familiar with Marcion. Although the difference between I and him in terms of ideology is that I don't know if he supports the Tripartite doctrine of the pneumatic soul (spirit) from the Valentinian ideology, because I do and I believe it's perfectly explainable with relation to how people behave today. I could be wrong about Marcion there though. Maybe I missed something in my reading.

Please keep reading. There'll probably be more to add here if time permits me later today.

tctrills:
Again to summarize your point because the new testament emphasized on love much more than the old, Christians worship Yaldaboath.
This is your idea of sound reasoning?

You're not getting my point. Are you not seeing the ontological contradictions? There's no point being reductive and summarizing what I'm saying if you're not even going to get the point.

My God transcends creation.

Your god actively involves himself in it and obsessively controls it through violence and law, while being prejudiced and hypocritical.

If you want to insist that they're still the same "God", then you're indirectly saying that God's nature can change which will go against the doctrine of divine immutability (God is eternal). I'm sure you know this.

tctrills:
You have made his day. I am sure he is celebrating your comments

Well I'm honored to have do so

Moremii:
You're not getting my point. Are you not seeing the ontological contradictions? There's no point being reductive and summarizing what I'm saying if you're not even going to get the point.

My God transcends creation.

Your god actively involves himself in it and obsessively controls it through violence and law, while being prejudiced and hypocritical.

If you want to insist that they're still the same "God", then you're indirectly saying that God's nature can change which will go against the doctrine of divine immutability (God is eternal). I'm sure you know this.

This is so simple and so clear it is tiresome that it can be disputed.

That the god of the Old Testament is really a blood thirsty pagan Jewish mountain deity is no news. And no one with a conscience could find it within themselves to worship such a barbaric entity.

By contrast the teachings of Christ are illumined with higher and noble principles far beyond the highest reach of the monster of the Old Testament. I personally do not even believe that that monster existed at all, but was the creation of the patriarchal human minds who wrote it into existence with their desperation for dominion, conquest and control.

I am nonetheless aware of several interesting schools of thought, some of which for example suggest that Yahweh was actually an extra terrestrial being of a sort, which, along with other aliens, participated in the early set up of mankind on Earth for very different reasons than advanced in the Bible.

The school of thought you advance, which tallies with that of Yahweh being the Demiurge, is also very interesting and something I don't discountenance.

DeepSight:
This is so simple and so clear it is tiresome that it can be disputed.

That the god of the Old Testament is really a blood thirsty pagan Jewish mountain deity is no news. And no one with a conscience could find it within themselves to worship such a barbaric entity.

By contrast the teachings of Christ are illumined with higher and noble principles far beyond the highest reach of the monster of the Old Testament. I personally do not even believe that that monster existed at all, but was the creation of the patriarchal human minds who wrote it into existence with their desperation for dominion, conquest and control.

I am nonetheless aware of several interesting schools of thought, some of which for example suggest that Yahweh was actually an extra terrestrial being of a sort, which, along with other aliens, participated in the early set up of mankind on Earth for very different reasons than advanced in the Bible.

The school of thought you advance, which tallies with that of Yahweh being the Demiurge, is also very interesting and something I don't discountenance.

Indeed, your conscience serves you well to abandon the worship of such a draconian and malevolent being. I believe true gnosis begins when you start to see all these potholes in mainstream "Christianity".

The only thing I might assert here though is that it is more likely that the Demiurge operates through these patriarchal human minds to warp the reality of our universe, and not the other way round. Afterall, I do believe that beings exist that transcend our known universe and govern all the forces in it.

Surprisingly I think the theory of Yahweh being an extraterrestrial being technically still aligns with gnostic cosmology because the Apocryphon of John describes the Demiurge as the creator of humans in the material through genetic manipulation, and he was assisted by his archons.


So I guess one could interpret this as aliens, but it's still non-human intelligence shaping our world for whatever purposes or non-purposes, haha.

Moremii:
Indeed, your conscience serves you well to abandon the worship of such a draconian and malevolent being. I believe true gnosis begins when you start to see all these potholes in mainstream "Christianity".

The only thing I might assert here though is that it is more likely that the Demiurge operates through these patriarchal human minds to warp the reality of our universe, and not the other way round. Afterall, I do believe that beings exist that transcend our known universe and govern all the forces in it.

Surprisingly I think the theory of Yahweh being an extraterrestrial being technically still aligns with gnostic cosmology because the Apocryphon of John describes the Demiurge as the creator of humans in the material through genetic manipulation, and he was assisted by his archons.


So I guess one could interpret this as aliens, but it's still non-human intelligence shaping our world for whatever purposes or non-purposes, haha.

Very well said again, nothing to dispute. You have indeed made my day, even if that be to the chagrin of tctrills.
PS: The bold is eminently possible.

A Religion that viayss of over 46,000 different interpretations/idols/images of Jesus Christ of Israel, none of them confirming with any of what He is recorded to have said if Himself, and of His Father, from about 2000 years ago. Christianity is on a roll .

Moremii:
You're mostly correct.

I align with Christ, but it's the Christ who liberates consciousness from authoritative religion, not the one who enforces it while demanding mindless worship.

Christianity today is in shambles because it has buried this version of Christ under the theology of priestly hierarchy and control.

I suppose your instinct to question the identification of Yahweh would be regarded as gnosis (illumination) in my own worldview, so I guess that's a good thing. So I will just tell you to open your eyes and realize that the rabbit hole goes much deeper than you imagine. Christianity in the normal sense we were brought up to believe in is a perverted version of the real thing, sold to us by dishonest people for the sake of politics.

I still have more to say on the topic so you can keep reading if you're interested.

From your response I glean that your problem in and wth Christianity is the one promoted and advertised by pastorprenuers and I perceive, something that has to do with the of testament but you have not made it clear.

in which case you ought to contend with the messenger rather than lump both the message and the messenger together.

Moremii:
First, my calling you a pastor was just me teasing you, I didn't mean it literally
Second, you'll have to do more than this to show your point instead of just breathlessly mumbling that I'm wrong.
Third, my written Yoruba is not good, but the fact that it's the best response you've produced here tells me you're clueless on the overall topic.

Well the whole thread is just a joke until you can prove Yahweh to be different from the God who sent Jesus!

Moremii:
...Christ is undeniable, but I'm saying he's not the domesticated version you guys worship as the blood sacrifice of a false god. Yaldaboath is your god, not mine. Christ goes against everything your Demiurge espouses, particularly in the Old Testament.

Maybe you should ask yourself the following questions, if you're truthful to yourself:

1. Why does a loving god command genocide in the Hebrew Bible?.

Ehen! So another of your problems is with what is called "old testament".

To answer you, I ask, would you be happy if you hear a bomb was dropped on bandits/kidnappers camp?

Moremii:
2. Why must salvation require blood sacrifice if your god truly forgives sins?

If your salary say ₦145k is stolen, what is the just is that you would demand/require! While at it, if your wife and daughters are raped and your sons murdered, what is the just is for these things?

Moremii:
3. Why do we need to engage with priestly mediators when we were told that we're made in God's image?

Since your brother and neighbour are made in the image of God, why do you complain and go to court that she stole your husband?

Moremii:
4. Why is seeking knowledge forbidden in parts of the Hebrew Bible and even treated as spiritual pride? Is ignorance a virtue to you?

I don't know what you mean by Hebrew Bible but the Bible did say

"An hypocrite with his mouth destroyeth his neighbour: but through knowledge shall the just be delivered."

So, no where did the bible prevent people from getting knowledge where in fact it is also giving Knowledge itself

DeepSight:
Very well said again, nothing to dispute. You have indeed made my day, even if that be to the chagrin of tctrills.
PS: The bold is eminently possible.

I take it you and Moremii believe the NT. How do these excerpts below not totally contradict your thesis? Who's prophets and commandments do you think Jesus was talking about? Also, do you know that after Nicea Arianism actually became very popular and was the state religion of Europe till the 6th century? So you see, what you are leaving out of your equation is GOD! In the end the truth triumphs. Same way they couldn't eradicate Christianity because God was behind it, Nicea could do nothing unless God supported it, and God would not support it unless it was true. (Maxindhouse and Janosky, that's part of the reason you know Jesus is God).
Also, you are wrong, Constantine did not manipulate Nicea. The bishops had a three-day debate after which they took a vote.
Here are the scriptures (If Jesus is not of Yahweh why was he so obsessed with fulfilling everything of Yahweh?)

Mathew 5
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished

Mathew 15
24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.
26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”

Luke 4
“The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
because he has anointed me
to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
and recovery of sight for the blind,
to set the oppressed free,
19 to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”

20 Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21 He began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”

Instead of pretending about Jesus of the Bible, the honest thing for you folks to do is, forget the Jesus of the Bible entirely and create a new Jesus that is devoid of Yahweh and has only elements palatable to you!

Moremii:
Sir the evidence is in your own Bible. Look at the old and new testament, then compare notes: In the new testament (NT), Jesus speaks of the Supreme Father as a God of love and forgiveness. He also encourages mindfulness and curiosity. Then check the old testament (OT), and you will see a wrathful god that is completely unforgiving, driven by material obsession and jealousy. He said it himself that he's a jealous god, abi did you skip that part or did that part skip you?..

Did you not read that Jesus came to save mankind?

From what and from Whom was He trying to save man from?

Then the question is, is it justified that man should get the punishments and destruction awaiting him?

With these we will know whether you speak reasonably or you are speaking because you know that are not worthy of salvation.

For even Jesus too Said that He is Coming back to destroy all these who refused salvation, so running to Jesus is still not an escape, Paul's friend Demas did it and he fell by the wayside

FreeIgboho:
I take it you and Moremii believe the NT. How do these excerpts below not totally contradict your thesis? Who's prophets and commandments do you think Jesus was talking about?...

Exactly!

Whose Commandments did Christ Say that people did not obey?

See, people deceiving themselves with cut and join gospel

MaxInDHouse:
Well the whole thread is just a joke until you can prove Yahweh to be different from the God who sent Jesus!

I already did. If you can't see the proof or want to pretend that you didn't see it, then the joke is on you.

Dtruthspeaker:
Exactly!

Whose Commandments did Christ Say that people did not obey?

See, people deceiving themselves with cut and join gospel

Instead of pretending about Jesus of the Bible, the honest thing for them to do is, forget the Jesus of the Bible entirely and create a new Jesus that is devoid of Yahweh and has only elements palatable to them!

Moremii:
I already did. If you can't see the proof or want to pretend that you didn't see it, then the joke is on you.

So let's see your response to my post

Dtruthspeaker:
From your response I glean that your problem in and wth Christianity is the one promoted and advertised by pastorprenuers and I perceive, something that has to do with the of testament but you have not made it clear.

in which case you ought to contend with the messenger rather than lump both the message and the messenger together.

Then you don't understand what I've been saying since. This is more than just corrupt pastors changing and distorting pure doctrine. The real problem here is that the institutional "message" itself was compromised centuries ago from the moment the proto-orthodontists decided to join Christ's pneumatic revelation with the Hebrew scriptures. The "messenger" you are defending canonized texts that not only contradict the pneumatic gospels that existed before the Nicean Council, but served as a narrative to support their political ambitions by demanding blind obedience and submission to lies.

If you want to talk about shooting the message and not the messenger, then you should know that the authentic teachings of Christ was systemically suppressed over time by the very "fathers" who claimed to preserve it. In this case, you cannot seperate the message and the messenger because the messenger has wilfully altered the true meaning of the message.

Moremii:
I already did. If you can't see the proof or want to pretend that you didn't see it, then the joke is on you.

OK now i understand you're just joking!

Moremii:
Then you don't understand what I've been saying since. This is more than just corrupt pastors changing and distorting pure doctrine. The real problem here is that the institutional "message" itself was compromised centuries ago from the moment the proto-orthodontists decided to join Christ's pneumatic revelation with the Hebrew scriptures....

I have seen where you clearly show what issues are making you think this way and I addressed them. So let me more over to see how you responded to my address

Modified!
I see you have still not responded to my rebuttals.

FreeIgboho:
Instead of pretending about Jesus of the Bible, the honest thing for them to do is, forget the Jesus of the Bible entirely and create a new Jesus that is devoid of Yahweh and has only elements palatable to them!

It is still the same pretence and self deceit. Exactly like writing your own question paper simply because you cannot answer the ones put before you. What a massive way to fail

Dtruthspeaker:
Ehen! So another of your problems is with what is called "old testament".

To answer you, I ask, would you be happy if you hear a bomb was dropped on bandits/kidnappers camp?

Nawa. These your questions are very funny sha, but let me try and answer you.

To start with, please put some context into your comparisons. Your god ordered the mass genocide of the Amorites, Jebusites, Hittites, and countless other clans in the Canaanite region in a bid to expand Israel's territory as part of his divine mandate. He explicitly ordered the killing of every living thing in those regions.

So unless you have a way to justify that the women and children in all those regions are as morally bankrupt as the bandits and kidnappers you mention, you don't have any argument here and your question is irrelevant. Your god commanded the murder of women and children who have committed no crimes. And I know that even your own modern ethical intuitions recoil from this. That is why you you have no choice but to retreat into metaphors about "bandits". The true Christ consciousness never operates through mass slaughter. Mindless killing like that is purely in the domain of Yaldaboath alone, the blind fool who mistakes his own violent impulses for righteousness.

So stop trying to defend genocide, you hear? Good.

Dtruthspeaker:
If your salary say ₦145k is stolen, what is the just is that you would demand/require! While at it, if your wife and daughters are raped and your sons murdered, what is the just is for these things?

If someone steals from me, justice requires that they should face the consequences if/when they are caught. Injustice (and lack of common sense) is when I decide to punish an innocent party. Anyone who calls me a fool or a wicked person in that case has the right to do so because I have acted unfairly.

Let me now ask you, since you brought up rape. If your friend raped somebody and I punished you, just because you are his friend, am I being fair to you? Is that justice in your world? If you say no, then why can't you see that this is the exact same problem your so-called "god" has? Why is he always looking for a scapegoat? Why can't he punish people directly and just leave their wives and children and generations of unborn children alone?

The answer is because he's a false god. He cannot forgive freely. There always has to be a cost... a sacrifice.

Dtruthspeaker:
Since your brother and neighbour are made in the image of God, why do you complain and go to court that she stole your husband?

LOL. Well, that's not something I'd do personally if we want to be realistic. However, what's the problem here? People experience a lot of emotional pain because of cheating wives and husbands and thankfully, legal systems exist to address practical injustices right there in the moment but it doesn't contradict the rejection of unnecessary religious intermediaries, especially when communing directly with the divine is easily granted.

Dtruthspeaker:
I don't know what you mean by Hebrew Bible but the Bible did say

"An hypocrite with his mouth destroyeth his neighbour: but through knowledge shall the just be delivered."

So, no where did the bible prevent people from getting where in fact it is also giving Knowledge

You try. But this doesn't really address my point satisfactorily.

Adam and Eve were punished from eating from the Tree of Knowledge.

The builders in the Tower of Babel were confused and sabotaged by your god.

Deuteronomy forbids seeking wisdom from foreign sources.

There's a verse from the book of Ecclesiastes that declares that "in much wisdom is much grief".

I could probably give more examples, but I'm sure you get the point. Or at least I hope you do. You have to at least admit that there's been a consistent pattern of epistemological suppression throughout the Bible today. Obviously there are passages that exalt knowledge, but they are few and far between, especially in comparison with the books that were deliberately excluded from canon.

Yahweh is the Creator of all things, Jesus is Yahweh's firstborn son so both of them have spent uncountable years together before Yahweh decided to make more creatures. He gave His only begotten Son the privilege to work with Him in the creation of other things.

So by the time other things were created Yahweh made it clear to His Son that this project belongs to him (the Son) and that made this Son so happy that he began to examine all these creatures but among all the only creature that appeals to God's only begotten Son is humans! Proverbs 8:31

But then one of God's spirit sons in heaven decided to pitch his own tent separately as a God on his own {Isaiah 14:12} while still giving him the chance to experience the consequences of His actions for others to learn a lesson this spirit son convinced the first human couple to join him in the rebellion against God and he succeeded! Genesis 3:1-5

From that moment Yahweh (the ever happy God) became saddened and He regretted creating man because majority among humans proved to be like Satan (God's rebellious spirit son) Genesis 6:5-6

The only begotten Son of God couldn't stand anything that will make His father sad so as God's representative he began teaching humans how to stay clean from hurting his father emotionally {Psalms 78:41} that was why he began setting matters straight by destroying whoever stands on the way to redeem obedient mankind back to God.

So all the act you might have read in the Old Testament about Yahweh being vengeful and destructive was carried out by Jesus himself that's why it was difficult for Israelites to believe him when he (Jesus) started telling them the real qualities of his father, God Himself promised the Israelites that whatever rules they got from Moses is just to correct certain things but He will send Jesus like a human to exhibit His own attributes and by that time whoever disobey Jesus will not be forgiven! Deuteronomy 18:18-19 compare to John 3:17-19

So Jesus was the angel of God who was brutally destroying anyone standing on the way to redemption you can check his comment:

“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent to her—how often I wanted to gather your children together the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings! But you did not want it" Matthew 23:37

From the above statement who was the angel of God representing Yahweh by leading the Israelites out of Egypt? Exodus 13:21; 14:19
Who was the angel that destroyed all the firstborn in Egypt? Exodus 12:29
Who was the angel that stood beside Shadrach, Meshak and Abednego in the fiery furnace? Daniel 3:24:25

Well all of you may continue to doubt it but i'm telling you today that it's the same Jesus the angel who always stands for the salvation of faithful people! Daniel 12:1

But when he's given the privilege to walk in the midst of humans as a man sent to display his father's attributes {John 14:9} this spirit son couldn't do what he was doing angrily again now he must display his father's real personality!

I remember the day Pharisees came with hoodlums to arrest Jesus with clubs and weapons this same Jesus got angry and said with his old voice:

“I am Jesus" John 18:6

They all fell to the ground!

WHY?

Because he used his original voice the archangel's voice! 1Thessalonians 4:16

So don't think Jesus is gentle it's what his father told him to do that changed him the real Jesus is a destroyer who is coming to kill all those who oppose the personality he exhibited in the first century! Luke 19:27

@ Moremii

Assuming that the Demiurge exists as Yaldaboath, as per your posts. What is the hope of escape from Yaldaboath's physical creation, for human souls.

Do you believe in reincarnation and the cycle of Samsara and do you take a Hindu approach to breaking that cycle and attaining nirvana.

MaxInDHouse:
From that moment Yahweh (the ever happy God) became saddened and He regretted creating man because majority among humans proved to be like Satan (God's rebellious spirit son) Genesis 6:5-6

How is an ominscient and perfect God capable of regret?
Can you not see the contradiction inherent in this?

DeepSight:
How is an ominscient and perfect God capable of regret?
Can you not see the contradiction inherent in this?

Please where is the highlighted written in God's word?

Well God never claimed to be omniscient these are His own words:

“The outcry against Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah is indeed great, and their sin is very heavy.  I will go down to see whether they are acting according to the outcry that has reached me. And if not, I can get to know it.” Genesis 18:20-21


“Do not harm the boy, and do not do anything at all to him, for now I do know that you are God-fearing because you have not withheld your son, your only one, from me.” Genesis 22:12

You can read these in any version of your choice.

Please is the God speaking in those verses OMNISCIENT as you people often claim?

MaxInDHouse:
Please where is the highlighted written in God's word?

Well God never claimed to be omniscient this are His own words:

“The outcry against Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah is indeed great, and their sin is very heavy.  I will go down to see whether they are acting according to the outcry that has reached me. And if not, I can get to know it.” Genesis 18:20-21


“Do not harm the boy, and do not do anything at all to him, for now I do know that you are God-fearing because you have not withheld your son, your only one, from me.” Genesis 22:12

You can read these in any version of your choice.

Please is the God speaking in those verses OMNISCIENT as you people often claim?

Let me rephrase it. How can a perfect God take actions which he then comes to regret.

DeepSight:
Let me rephrase it. How can a perfect God take actions which he then comes to regret.

Before we continue, do you believe the Bible or not?

MaxInDHouse:
Before we continue, do you believe the Bible or not?

Stop this. You believe Yahweh is perfect do you not?