₦airaland Forum

This is the first time am seeing happiness in nairaland, due to positive criticism and politeness with this contribution we can still be great as a nation.

grandstar:
Your policies will impoverish and devastate the economy. It won't work.

Private property ownership and security of title is essential for the development of capital.

Taking care of old people is very costly. Nigeria does not have that kind of money.

China does not take good care of its old people and it prospered for years.

IbeOkehie:
OK, that's fair. What about Malaysia, India and Indonesia? Though they're not rich countries, they're doing far better than Nigeria for sure. They're very comparable in population, though I'm not sure about their diversity. India has a dominant religion but a diverse ethnic composition, I don't know about Malaysia and Indonesia.

And about diversity, WHO MADE THE DECISION to keep Nigeria united in its diversity? Nigerians freely made that decision, not the British. And the decision was made at the same time other British colonies called India and Malaysia freely decided to SPLIT into less diverse entities. The colonial history of India is so similar to Nigeria that I took the time to visit and travel all over the country and I learned a lot.

Here's something I added to my post, you likely didn't see it before responding

Here's one you need to think about. From the 1950's to 1990's, THE TELECOMS INDUSTRY by law was owned and controlled by government, the ONLY telecoms company was NITEL. At that time, up to 2001, less than 0.1% of Nigerians had phone lines, whether landline or mobile.

In 1986, President Ibrahim Babangida promulgated SAP which legalized private ownership of phone companies, banks, insurance, cocoa trading and broadcasting too. The implementation was slow, but even President Abacha allowed the reforms to continue though he was distracted by political crisis. Then with the return of democracy, President Obasanjo implemented full licensing for private telecoms firms. In less than 15 years, over 60 to 75% of Nigerians have access to phone service . This is live history that we've all lived through.

Any thoughts on the massive change in the telecom industry? How did it happen, what made it possible, what were the principles?

Nigerians have freely made the choices that created the kind of country they want. It's clear that the Nigeria of today is what the Nigerian people PREFER, they like their country exactly the way it is. Their ACTIONS are more important than their VERBAL posturing. It's CULTURE.

Good Luck to Nigerians.

Incomparable bro.
India has being in existence for donkey years and they are near mono religion society.
Malaysia and Nigeria? What is the population of Malaysia? What is their Language, Ethnic and Religious Demography?
ChatGBT is closer to you than you think.
No Be Juju Be Dat?

I was born 005 but I love 80s vibes

immaculatesense:
Incomparable bro.
India has being in existence for donkey years and they are near mono religion society.
Malaysia and Nigeria? What is the population of Malaysia? What is their Language, Ethnic and Religious Demography?
ChatGBT is closer to you than you think.
No Be Juju Be Dat?

OK, Malaysia is 35 million, so we can say you can't compare them to Nigeria but my comment CLEARLY shows an emphasis on India. I even highlighted them and explained why I compare them to Nigeria. So on to India....

India has a higher population burden, but you're claiming that their religious monopoly matters more.

So again, the HISTORY AND EVIDENCE show that Indian POLITICAL LEADERS elected by the Indian PEOPLE made deliberate and conscious decisions to CREATE a society with a near homogenous religion.

The same HISTORY AND EVIDENCE clearly show that POLITICAL LEADERS elected by the Nigerian PEOPLE made deliberate and conscious decisions to PRESERVE an extremely diverse nation.

Do you have any views on the facts outlined above? I don't know how you blame anything or anyone for CHOICES clearly made by Nigerians. Also no comment at all on the telecoms history or SAP in general? Hmmmm, that's essential to any evaluation of the Nigeria Crisis.

grandstar:
Your policies will impoverish and devastate the economy. It won't work.

Private property ownership and security of title is essential for the development of capital.

Taking care of old people is very costly. Nigeria does not have that kind of money.

China does not take good care of its old people and it prospered for years.

You understand the essentials and particulars of what a free market economy is about, yet you sometimes put out comments that are completely at odds with that understanding, especially when it comes to the USA. It would be good to find out exactly why. I remember one post where you were condemning enforcement of immigration law. Maybe the importance of CULTURE to the PRACTICE of free markets isn't very clear. Very curious case.

Anyway thanks for this succinct comment, it's completely true in every sense.

Good Luck to Nigeria.

Thunderfayamods:
You don't have to be born in the 80"s to experience this, this are all signs of poverty since most house holds could not afford TV.
I was born in the 60's but never experienced it.

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Lie Mohammed, I hail thee!

Chemlite:
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Lie Mohammed, I hail thee!

What is this one saying? You think everybody here be your mates because we are online? Some people here are old enough to be your father. My last is 23! Abi wetin I talk wey be lie? Or because I said I didn't experience it? You think everybody tasted poverty?
I no blame you sha this is a faceless forum.

IbeOkehie:
OK, Malaysia is 35 million, so we can say you can't compare them to Nigeria but my comment CLEARLY shows an emphasis on India. I even highlighted them and explained why I compare them to Nigeria. So on to India....

India has a higher population burden, but you're claiming that their religious monopoly matters more.

So again, the HISTORY AND EVIDENCE show that Indian POLITICAL LEADERS elected by the Indian PEOPLE made deliberate and conscious decisions to CREATE a society with a near homogenous religion.

The same HISTORY AND EVIDENCE clearly show that POLITICAL LEADERS elected by the Nigerian PEOPLE made deliberate and conscious decisions to PRESERVE an extremely diverse nation.

Do you have any views on the facts outlined above? I don't know how you blame anything or anyone for CHOICES clearly made by Nigerians. Also no comment at all on the telecoms history or SAP in general? Hmmmm, that's essential to any evaluation of the Nigeria Crisis.



You understand the essentials and particulars of what a free market economy is about, yet you sometimes put out comments that are completely at odds with that understanding, especially when it comes to the USA. It would be good to find out exactly why. I remember one post where you were condemning enforcement of immigration law. Maybe the importance of CULTURE to the PRACTICE of free markets isn't very clear. Very curious case.

Anyway thanks for this succinct comment, it's completely true in every sense.

Good Luck to Nigeria.

I don't like long epistles.
I asked you straight forward question.
When did your INDIA appeared on the map or gained independence compared to Nigeria?
What is their Language and Religion demography?

E HARD TO ANSWER SIMPLE QUESTIONS STRAIGHT UP?

iamL:
1. List 5 astronomical breakthrough that the white man got from Africa.

That's your assignment to find out and stop bashing black people

abah001:
You are now blaming white for our woes and failures. Is white Man the president of this country now

They have their share of assassination of freedom fighters and quality leaders of African countries who don't play ball with their finances and currency ... Most of the terrorists and rebels in Africa and middle east are funded by whites. They will still come in as mercenaries

You will get what's gwan someday

immaculatesense:
I don't like long epistles.
I asked you straight forward question.
When did your INDIA appeared on the map or gained independence compared to Nigeria?
What is their Language and Religion demography?

E HARD TO ANSWER SIMPLE QUESTIONS STRAIGHT UP?

Yes India is an old and ancient country.

India has a long history, so has Nigeria.

So I've answered.... India is old. Older than Nigeria depending on criteria used to determine age.

Can you answer my own questions?

Who or what made India into a nation dominated by a single religion?

Who or what made Nigeria into a religiously and ethnically diverse nation?

I hope that isn't too long a comment.

Thanks.

Good Luck to Nigeria.

nograv:
1) Listen to him.. white men? Did you know that the traffic light ubiquitous to all cities in the world was the creation of a black man?

NOT TRUE, big lie.

2) Did you know that the portable refrigeration unit was also the creation of a black man?

VERY TRUE, referring particularly to refrigerated trucks.

3) That the light bulb we all use and love today would not have been possible without the work of Lewis Latimer a black man..

CLARIFICATION NEEDED....would not have been possible?

I do hate the older generation and how much it licks the backside of oyinbo.. Had your generation had more belief in itself Nigeria would have progressed like UAE, Japan, Singapore or South Korea (All excluding Japan were behind Nigeria at independence and became first world nations)..

It's not about belief or self love or any such thing. The factors that lead to the creation of prosperous and happy societies are well known and proven by rigorous research. They are free markets, property rights, democracy and demographic homogeneity. Such societies have SYSTEMS that make INVENTIONS AND INNOVATION possible. Until Black Africans embrace and instill those qualities in their nations, they will NEVER become prosperous.

None of these OR any other significant invention can be attributed to a Black African citizen living in Black Africa because no Black African nation has embraced those factors EXCEPT maybe South Africa, Botswana, Namibia and we all know the why and how. All these Negro inventions were done by descendants of slaves sold by Black Africans, inside White dominated societies that are supposedly suffused with systemic racism. That's worth thinking about.

When Black Africans start inventing things that change the world for the better, everyone will start licking their nyash too. Until then, this 4th Class citizen of the USA will continually extol the Anglo-Saxon culture that has created some of the greatest and most stable nations ever to exist in human history.

Good Luck to Nigeria.

Ohhhh.... This is how I use to watch Erasure, Bon Jovi and Skunk Anastasia.

80s was the best.

You hardly watch film without seeing breast and pure love making. We all spoilt back then

Hmmmmm, nacking of girls should be out of it, because by then boys were still boys and not men.

IbeOkehie:
What am I supposed to say? Anyhow it might be an attempt at sarcastic humor 😅

Government already owns all lands in Nigeria so the country is already well on the way to prosperity.



Now this a boldly fallacious claim. You really didn't mean this, you meant to say something else. Don't repeat this in public anywhere, I beg you

Slavery existed in Black Africa BEFORE Contact with Whites & Arabs and no White European ever kidnapped or captured any Black African and enslaved them. Every Black person enslaved in the Atlantic Slave Trade was CAPTURED & SOLD by other Black Africans. That is the fact, so if your opinion is so strong on slavery, you might need to explain your view on that particular facet of the issue.

Added to that, the United Kingdom was the FIRST world power to outlaw the Slave trade and most Black Africans REFUSED to obey. Ever heard of Oba Kosoko of Lagos? It's like the trade in illegal narcotics today, it was illegal but Black Africans insisted on selling their own people for money. The British Royal Navy lost hundreds of sailors on the high seas while fighting illegal slave ships. I'm interested in what you have to say about that?

Where is the money that Black African tribes and nations earned from the Slave Trade? What happened to the money, what was it used for? Will Black Africans ever pay reparations to Black Americans whose ancestors were kidnapped, captured and sold into slavery by Black Africans?



South Korea and Singapore took less than 247 years to do it. Maybe 50 years or less. With no bonanza resource like crude oil & natural gas.

Japan resurrected from total defeat with NUCLEAR BOMBING. Didn't take over 247 years.

We could add in Ireland and Poland, though some might argue they have special circumstances of proximity or opportunity.

How did the Blacks of South Africa become the richest Blacks on the Continent after only 25 years of freedom is a worthy question too.

Here's one you need to think about. [/b]From the 1950's to 1990's, THE TELECOMS INDUSTRY by law was owned and controlled by government, the ONLY telecoms company was NITEL. [b] At that time, up to 2001, less than 0.1% of Nigerians had phone lines, whether landline or mobile.

In 1986, President Ibrahim Babangida promulgated SAP which legalized private ownership of phone companies, banks, insurance, cocoa trading and broadcasting too. The implementation was slow, but even President Abacha allowed the reforms to continue though he was distracted by political crisis. Then with the return of democracy, President Obasanjo implemented full licensing for private firms. In less than 15 years, over 60 to 75% of Nigerians have access to phone service .

Any thoughts on the massive change in the telecom industry? How did it happen, what made it possible, what were the principles?

And what has made the USA the greatest country in the world? A simple principle. Ready for it? "GOVERNMENT SHALL NOT "

The United States of America is the ONLY country in the world with foundational laws that permanently restrict the power of government. That is what has made the USA the country it is today. There's NO OTHER COUNTRY that has such laws, if any person knows other nations, please tell me. I've done some searching and I can't find them. And quite beyond the written law, is the CULTURE that sustains the laws. This is the real & present danger to the USA today, the population is changing and the original tribes who believed in LIMITED GOVERNMENT are slowly becoming a minority and newer immigrants are majorly from 3rd World countries with TRADITIONS of unlimited government power.

Constitution of the United States, Amendment II (1791)
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Note on the 2nd Amendment - at the time it was written, "well regulated" meant "well equipped", just like the world "gay" meant "joy". You can go online and check this yourself.

Constitution of the United States, Amendment I (1791)
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Constitution of the United States, Amendment V (1791)
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

The Constitution in my view isn't strict enough on restraining government, but even as is has worked well to allow the human freedom that is necessary for economic growth and prosperity. For example, the United States have a CULTURE of free market pricing but no LAW that restricts government power in that regard.

Culture evolves over time. The Anglo-Saxons have evolved a superior culture of restricting government power. That's what you need to know.
Here's a primer - Magna Carta: The Medieval Document That Inspired The US Constitution


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MssS01aHDds

Good Luck to Nigerians

Great points I have to commend you with great points and historic facts.

Now let me use your own logic against your points. And I have to ask you this why focus only on one point after I listed dozens.

Now to your logic. You said slavery was in existence in black Africans which is true. Valid points.

The world slaves it's a Slavic word Slav. The Slavic people were enslaved so many times and got the name slaves from Slav.

They were sold but they were NEVER dehumanized. The whites bought black Africans and dehumanized them as been lower and inferior when it was the black Egyptians that gave them all there knowledge and civilization.

The Roman's had white slaves but they never was dehumanized. Go and read the history of Roman's and there slaves


Slavery was abolished over 200 years ago but the same USA was killing and burning black people. The USA and white South Africans created Apartheid even when slavery was abolished years ago. Blacks had there own restrooms and buses. Water fountains for blacks and restaurant for blacks only.


Today in isreal. Even though they're not the ancient Hebrews still look down on black folks. Same with the rest of Europe


The same group that came to Ancient Egypt and removed the noses of the statue and claim they built Egypt and blacks were there slaves.

Yes they abolished slavery. Do you know what the French did to Haiti. Haiti was once the richest country in the world but France said they should pay reparations for setting them free. Can you imagine that.

The US government invaded Haiti and took there gold reserves. Jp Morgan ruined Haiti and destroyed till today.


Western African nations signed documents to tie there currency with French Franc. Do you know it means generational poverty for Africans and any leader that stood up against them was killed. isn't slavery abolished.

Have you heard the word neo colonialism. Slavery is in another form. Why would you asked African nations rich in raw materials to sell there resources in money you printed in your backyard backed with nothing. They bully and kill African leaders that resisted. Libyan leader was killed because he wanted to create a currency backed with gold for Africans to trade with and he was eliminated but they abolished slavery according to you.

United States created World bank and IMF. They give out loans in US dollars. African countries borrow with high interest rates and can't pay back the loans. They automatically in a debt trap and have to earn dollar to pay back the loan by giving there natural resources in exchange for debt. That is slavery while the so called rich US government borrows the same money with the lowest interest rate. The same money they can just print and pay off there loans.

Isn't that a scam to you. Slavery wasn't abolished. We now live in economic slavery.

Ask yourself why US banks had Abacha's stolen money. You do know basic economics. If I put 1000 naira in the bank for 30 years it gets interest. So why return the exact same amount. He kept billions in US banks and they returned the same exact amount what happened to the interest. You give banks your money they take that money and invest that's how every bank operates. So why return the money without interest. Besides a billion dollar in the bank in the 90 is like 10 billion dollars based on inflation.

Ask yourself why do you think good leaders in Africa gets assassinated why wicked ones stay forever. Puppet leaders controlled by western nations.

We still live in slavery but a different kind of slavery.


A WORD IS ENOUGH FOR THE WISE!!!!

RivalryChat:
Great points I have to commend you with great points and historic facts.

Now let me use your own logic against your points. And I have to ask you this why focus only on one point after I listed dozens.

Now to your logic. You said slavery was in existence in black Africans which is true. Valid points.

The world slaves it's a Slavic word Slav. The Slavic people were enslaved so many times and got the name slaves from Slav.

They were sold but they were NEVER dehumanized. The whites bought black Africans and dehumanized them as been lower and inferior when it was the black Egyptians that gave them all there knowledge and civilization.

The Roman's had white slaves but they never was dehumanized. Go and read the history of Roman's and there slaves


Slavery was abolished over 200 years ago but the same USA was killing and burning black people. The USA and white South Africans created Apartheid even when slavery was abolished years ago. Blacks had there own restrooms and buses. Water fountains for blacks and restaurant for blacks only.


Today in isreal. Even though they're not the ancient Hebrews still look down on black folks. Same with the rest of Europe


The same group that came to Ancient Egypt and removed the noses of the statue and claim they built Egypt and blacks were there slaves.

Yes they abolished slavery. Do you know what the French did to Haiti. Haiti was once the richest country in the world but France said they should pay reparations for setting them free. Can you imagine that.

The US government invaded Haiti and took there gold reserves. Jp Morgan ruined Haiti and destroyed till today.


Western African nations signed documents to tie there currency with French Franc. Do you know it means generational poverty for Africans and any leader that stood up against them was killed. isn't slavery abolished.

Have you heard the word neo colonialism. Slavery is in another form. Why would you asked African nations rich in raw materials to sell there resources in money you printed in your backyard backed with nothing. They bully and kill African leaders that resisted. Libyan leader was killed because he wanted to create a currency backed with gold for Africans to trade with and he was eliminated but they abolished slavery according to you.

United States created World bank and IMF. They give out loans in US dollars. African countries borrow with high interest rates and can't pay back the loans. They automatically in a debt trap and have to earn dollar to pay back the loan by giving there natural resources in exchange for debt. That is slavery while the so called rich US government borrows the same money with the lowest interest rate. The same money they can just print and pay off there loans.

Isn't that a scam to you. Slavery wasn't abolished. We now live in economic slavery.

Ask yourself why US banks had Abacha's stolen money. You do know basic economics. If I put 1000 naira in the bank for 30 years it gets interest. So why return the exact same amount. He kept billions in US banks and they returned the same exact amount what happened to the interest. You give banks your money they take that money and invest that's how every bank operates. So why return the money without interest. Besides a billion dollar in the bank in the 90 is like 10 billion dollars based on inflation.

Ask yourself why do you think good leaders in Africa gets assassinated why wicked ones stay forever. Puppet leaders controlled by western nations.

We still live in slavery but a different kind of slavery.


A WORD IS ENOUGH FOR THE WISE!!!!

Nothing up there gives a good excuse as to why Black Africa remains the poorest region of the world today, despite abundant resources.

The real explanation is simple - THE PEOPLES of Black Africa can't do any better because of their inherent characteristics. The good thing is that one of the most important and SENSITIVE of those characteristics is known to change over generations. With the right steps, Black Africans can make that change in the POSITIVE and more productive direction.

Your points are biased and don't tell the complete story. None of what you wrote makes substantial, logical sense. Let's take Haiti, do you know the history of Haiti?

Haiti shares AN ISLAND with another country called Dominincan Republic. At one point in history Haiti conquered and colonized DR, yes, the Dominican Republic was once a colony of Haiti!!! [/b]Today, photos from space show the island has a clear demarcation of misery. The Haitian side is denuded of vegetation, dry and scraggly while the DR side looks more lush and orderly.

Today the Dominican Republic regularly, on a schedule, expels tens of thousands of illegal Haitian immigrants back to Haiti. The Dominican Republic invests HEAVILY in border infrastructure to keep the Haitians out of their former colony. Think about that.

[b] And whatever you say about the suffering of Haiti, it's our ancestors that sold the people of Haiti to the French in the first place. ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT, stop blaming Oyibo for the sins you initiated. Karma is real, Black Africa is suffering KARMA!!!!

On Abacha's loot, did the USA ask him to steal from Nigeria? He stole because the NIGERIAN CULTURE approves of such theft. You know it's true. By the way, the Presidents of China have stolen much more and have accounts at JP Morgan Bank in the USA. There's been actual court cases and investigations on these, the PUBLIC judiciary documents are available. That hasn't stopped China from making tremendous progress and taking tens of millions out of poverty.

Slavery and slav...whatever you might say about the origins and better conditions, THE FACT REMAINS....Black Africans sold their brethren to ALIEN, UNKNOWN strangers. It's like humans today selling other humans to aliens from outer space. That is the ORIGIN of Black African servitude in the Americas and now the same tribes that SOLD Black Americans are migrating to the USA to compete for the little allowances that the White people have made for the former slaves. How much irony is that!

And about cruelty, I would ask you to compare the fates of Black Africans sold to White Caucasians to those sold to Arabs...if you can find the descendants of Arab slaves. I hope you know that story to, it wasn't just Oyibo, Arabs were in on it too.

Not ALL French colonies accepted the CFA currency. Guinea and I think one other country VOTED democratically to refuse it. Why didn't the others? Rwanda just 10 or 15 years ago pulled out of the French currency or economic orbit and changed their official language to English. There's no need to blame the White Man for choices or conditions that Black people made themselves.

Vietnam just reached a free trade agreement with the USA, a former enemy that tried to keep them colonized by France. Go and ask Vietnam the price they paid for their freedom from France. If Africans aren't willing to fight for justice the way the USA fought against the UK, China fought against the USA and Portugal and others, the way Haiti fought against the French, then the Black Man is a coward that's getting exactly what he deserves. Don't blame Oyibo, we are the problem.

The reason Nigeria is the Poverty Capital of the World is THE PEOPLE and their CULTURE. Nothing else. There's ample evidence all over the world and I've copiously cited it all over Nairaland since I started posting here. There's NOTHING in your comment that refutes any of that history.

Good Luck to Nigerians.

oglalasioux:
After seeing all these developments over the years we still resent and hate the white men that, through nothing but inspiration and hard work, gave us all these things. Agreed that white men where brutal during colonial times, it should be given to them for practically changing the world positively.

Be careful, you might be accused of self-hatred and xucking the white man's balls

ReturnMan:
So you believe if we weren't left alone and thought we wouldn't have developed.

Stop that narrative when someone puts you in a place for 400 years plus and gives you petty stuffs and call you a third world while undermining what you can produce through your government you wanna come and bow to them for television.
😂

Instead of us to try and catch up now that they've left us and our so called natuaral resources plus intelligent minds, but no, we would rather do more damage to ourselves, falling farther behind and lamenting about the lost 400years.
There was never any rule that stopped them from invading Africa in the first place or vice versa.
And if we were so smart, we would've been able to outsmart them and defend ourselves somehow.
They came with superior weapons, better strategy and planning, thus proving they were actually superior at the time.
We have no one to blame but ourselves, for letting them subdue us (after all we've been fighting wars between ourselves in Africa as well so defending ourselves from outside forces appropriately shouldn't be new) and even helping them in the process.
At a point, when they stopped buying slaves, many Africans were still eager to sell their people.
SHAME!

dalass:
That's your assignment to find out and stop bashing black people

Ehya! As expected.
Continue to blame white man for your woes. Abi na white man still make Nigeria dey bad like this?

Typical example of Man wey waste his youthful age and will end up blaming witchcraft for his poverty as if witchcraft nor dey richman side.

cezarman:
Instead of us to try and catch up now that they've left us and our so called natuaral resources plus intelligent minds, but no, we would rather do more damage to ourselves, falling farther behind and lamenting about the lost 400years.
There was never any rule that stopped them from invading Africa in the first place or vice versa.
And if we were so smart, we would've been able to outsmart them and defend ourselves somehow.
They came with superior weapons, better strategy and planning, thus proving they were actually superior at the time.
We have no one to blame but ourselves, for letting them subdue us (after all we've been fighting wars between ourselves in Africa as well so defending ourselves from outside forces appropriately shouldn't be new) and even helping them in the process.
At a point, when they stopped buying slaves, many Africans were still eager to sell their people.
SHAME!

Our African ancestors even sold slaves for ordinary mirror and suff. I don't bother to argue with people like the above they are paid by the government to defend them.

Thunderfayamods:
What is this one saying? You think everybody here be your mates because we are online? Some people here are old enough to be your father. My last is 23! Abi wetin I talk wey be lie? Or because I said I didn't experience it? You think everybody tasted poverty?
I no blame you sha this is a faceless forum.

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Whenever I see rich old men who still lie it irritates me

Chemlite:
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Whenever I see rich old men who still lie it irritates me

That is your problem, there is no need joining issues with someone that I am old enough to father. From your comments it is obvious that you are just about to write WAEC.

IbeOkehie:
It's not about belief or self love or any such thing. The factors that lead to the creation of prosperous and happy societies are well known and proven by rigorous research. They are free markets, property rights, democracy and demographic homogeneity. Such societies have SYSTEMS that make INVENTIONS AND INNOVATION possible. Until Black Africans embrace and instill those qualities in their nations, they will NEVER become prosperous.

None of these OR any other significant invention can be attributed to a Black African citizen living in Black Africa because no Black African nation has embraced those factors EXCEPT maybe South Africa, Botswana, Namibia and we all know the why and how. All these Negro inventions were done by descendants of slaves sold by Black Africans, inside White dominated societies that are supposedly suffused with systemic racism. That's worth thinking about.

When Black Africans start inventing things that change the world for the better, everyone will start licking their nyash too. Until then, this 4th Class citizen of the USA will continually extol the Anglo-Saxon culture that has created some of the greatest and most stable nations ever to exist in human history.

Good Luck to Nigeria.

I already gave a lengthy response with quotes/citations and you reported it..

Disingenuous individual smdh..

Also stop quoting so it is difficult to respond, if you are genuine just hit reply.. So far no one has thumbed you up


Garrett Morgan was the inventor of the traffic light btw. Use Google and tell me his ethnicity. Oh he was black...

The invention of the alphabet and early advances in mathematics took place in afro Asiatic regions.. Egypt and Nubia black regions.. What are you talking about you self hating individual?

Also your initial assertion was that blacks never invented anything and now it is that most modern inventions came from blacks in the west. Shifting goal posts much??

Btw the majority of industrialised nations never developed as democracies.. You have no Idea what you are talking about.. lol

nograv:
I already gave a lengthy response with quotes/citations and you reported it..

Disingenuous individual smdh..

Also stop quoting so it is difficult to respond, if you are genuine just hit reply.. So far no one has thumbed you up


Garrett Morgan was the inventor of the traffic light btw. Use Google and tell me his ethnicity. Oh he was black...

The invention of the alphabet and early advances in mathematics took place in afro Asiatic regions.. Egypt and Nubia black regions.. What are you talking about you self hating individual?

Also your initial assertion was that blacks never invented anything and now it is that most modern inventions came from blacks in the west. Shifting goal posts much??

Btw the majority of industrialised nations never developed as democracies.. You have no Idea what you are talking about.. lol

Reported your post? Never done that, never will.

Of course Negroes in general have made some important inventions, just not Black Africans. The refrigerated truck is something I've known about for decades AND also the erroneous claim about the traffic light. Both were Americans.

Black Africa will remain the poorest sub-continent or region for many, many decades to come. The reason is THE CULTURE, the same culture that made them sell their brethren to alien peoples from across the seas. Anyway, have a good day.

Good Luck to Nigerians.

IbeOkehie:
Reported your post? Never done that, never will.

Of course Negroes in general have made some important inventions, just not Black Africans. The refrigerated truck is something I've known about for decades AND also the erroneous claim about the traffic light. Both were Americans.

Black Africa will remain the poorest sub-continent or region for many, many decades to come. The reason is THE CULTURE, the same culture that made them sell their brethren to alien peoples from across the seas. Anyway, have a good day.

Good Luck to Nigerians.

At least you had the courage to hit reply this time

Negro is black and that is my point

You also conveniently side stepped black Innovations that laid the foundations for written language and mathematics..

I gave you a name and still you claim my statement is erroneous?? You simply cannot ignore facts you dislike.

Every culture and people have engaged in slavery, from the Romans, Greeks, Arabs, Mongols and more.. This is not a phenomenon unique to black Africa.

Also you fail to make a distinction between Chattel slavery where a person was treated akin to an animal and the type of slavery practiced in Africa and the Islamic world.

In Africa and Arabia slaves could rise to higher stations. King jaja of opopo is a notable example. Born a slave rose to become a King. He became so powerful in terms of the palm oil trade that the British had to depose and exile him

Were you aware that Gibraltar was named after a slave who rose to become a powerful general Tariq ibn Ziyad.

In the Arabic world you have the Mamluks a slave warrior class who came to rule all of Egypt.. Black Malik Ambar of India who again was born a slave but became a famous and powerful Sultan. The cities he founded still stand today.. Then there is the black samurai Yasuke who was born a slave but became a retainer or samurai under nobunaga who unified Japan..

No such equivalent rise to power can be found under the Chattel systems of the Western world. The selling of slaves from Africa had a lot to do with the Africans misunderstanding the nature of western Chattel slavery. In fact some Africa empires banned slavery well before your beloved British. Benin banned the export of male slaves as early as 1516 and kept that embargo until the 18th century . so much for your beloved British being the first.. You can worship them I am afraid I won't.. (source The Atlantic slave trade by Herbert Klein).

King afonso of the Kongo empire similarly appealed to the Portuguese to end the independent trading of slaves in 1526.. This embassy was documented by the Portuguese and in the book World History by Candice Goucher and Linda Walton..

Also again you sidestepped my point that most industrialised nations today did not industrialise as democracies.. As I said you don't know what you are talking about.

Also in truth, I think you are an Oyinbo.. either that or a self hating African which is sad and far worse.