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Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by tctrills: 6:41pm On Jul 06, 2025
LordReed:
The Hindu scriptures are composited of multiple book just like the Bible. The foundational text are the Vedas then there is the Principal Upanishads, the Agamas and the Bhagavad Gita as well as Bhagavata Purana and Yajnavalkya Smirti. There is also the Shastras, Sutras, Tantras, Puranas, Itihasas, Stotras, Subhashitas and others.

Hindu scriptures primarily convey messages about dharma (righteous conduct), karma (action and consequence), moksha (liberation from the cycle of rebirth), and the interconnectedness of all beings. They emphasize the importance of self-realization, knowledge, and devotion to God.

Written over the span of about 1800 years.

Why are we considering the controversies amongst the writers are we going to consider the Bible books you don't believe in?

I am not Hindu so anything I can tell you you can equally find for yourself. My primary aim is to show you that the special pedestal you place the Christian Bible on is unfounded. Anything else you can read up on your own.
Bro, I am through with my research, and I can boldly tell you that your first book, Harry Potter, and your second book do not meet the test. I will be waiting for your 3rd entry.

Below are reasons your second book clearly failed the test.
The Vedas and early Upanishads focus on a cosmic, abstract principle called Brahman (the ultimate reality).

The Bhagavad Gita and Puranas introduce and emphasize personal deities like Vishnu, Shiva, Krishna, and Dev

Hindu scriptures do not have one central narrative or a single God in the same way the Bible does.

Instead:

Some traditions are monotheistic (e.g., Vaishnavism sees Vishnu/Krishna as the supreme God),

Others are henotheistic (worship of one god without denying others),

And others are monistic (all gods are manifestations of one impersonal Brahman).

Different texts often reflect different theological perspectives, sometimes even contradicting each other.

Hinduism is not a single unified religion like Christianity or Islam.

It’s a civilizational tradition with multiple schools of thought (Vedanta, Samkhya, Yoga, Bhakti, Tantra, etc.), gods, practices, and texts.

Think of it as a federation of beliefs under a broad cultural and metaphysical umbrella.

So some texts feel like different religions with different gods, yet they coexist within the broader Hindu worldview.

Thank you for making me learn more. I am waiting for your 3rd entry, or do you want to contest this?
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by LordReed(m):
tctrills:
Bro, I am through with my research, and I can boldly tell you that your first book, Harry Potter, and your second book do not meet the test. I will be waiting for your 3rd entry.

Below are reasons your second book clearly failed the test.
The Vedas and early Upanishads focus on a cosmic, abstract principle called Brahman (the ultimate reality).

The Bhagavad Gita and Puranas introduce and emphasize personal deities like Vishnu, Shiva, Krishna, and Dev

Hindu scriptures do not have one central narrative or a single God in the same way the Bible does.

Instead:

Some traditions are monotheistic (e.g., Vaishnavism sees Vishnu/Krishna as the supreme God),

Others are henotheistic (worship of one god without denying others),

And others are monistic (all gods are manifestations of one impersonal Brahman).

Different texts often reflect different theological perspectives, sometimes even contradicting each other.

Hinduism is not a single unified religion like Christianity or Islam.

It’s a civilizational tradition with multiple schools of thought (Vedanta, Samkhya, Yoga, Bhakti, Tantra, etc.), gods, practices, and texts.

Think of it as a federation of beliefs under a broad cultural and metaphysical umbrella.

So some texts feel like different religions with different gods, yet they coexist within the broader Hindu worldview.

Thank you for making me learn more. I am waiting for your 3rd entry, or do you want to contest this?
Bwahahahahaha! I have just burst out laughing at the sheer tone deafness of this response. It's the classic case of the pot calling the kettle black.

Every single objection you have is also levered against Christianity glaringly. Are you going to ignore the gargantuan number of denominations and sects of Christianity? Are you going to ignore all the books of the Bible that you don't believe in? LMAO!

Na wa o.

Also you must be very deliberately obtuse or disingenuous to continuously reference things that were clarified several times. How many times do I need to tell you the Harry Potter reference was not an example of a book written 2000 years ago? Holy Andromeda it's like talking to freaking brick wall.
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by tctrills: 7:18pm On Jul 06, 2025
LordReed:
Bwahahahahaha! I have just burst out laughing at the sheer tone deafness of this response. It's the classic case of the pot calling the kettle black.

Every single objection you have is also levered against Christianity glaringly. Are you going to ignore the gargantuan number of denominations and sects of Christianity? Are you going to ignore all the book of the Bible that you don't believe in? LMAO!

Na wa o.

Also you must be very deliberately obtuse or disingenuous to continuously reference things that were clarified several times. How many times do I need to tell you the Harry Potter reference was not an example of a book written 200 years ago? Holy Andromeda it's like talking to freaking brick wall.
Lol
We are talking about the bible, not about Christianity or sects of Christianity. Don't be too eager to change the topic. We are comparing two sets of scripture, so don't lose concentration.

So, please, would you present your 3rd book? I am waiting. But then, if you want this to be a discussion about Christians and no longer about the bible, all you needed to do was to let me know.
Present your book, biko.
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by LordReed(m): 7:26pm On Jul 06, 2025
tctrills:
Lol
We are talking about the bible, not about Christianity or sects of Christianity. Don't be too eager to change the topic. We are comparing two sets of scripture, so don't lose concentration.

So, please, would you present your 3rd book? I am waiting. But then, if you want this to be a discussion about Christians and no longer about the bible, all you needed to do was to let me know.
Present your book, biko.
LoLz! Are you not the one who wrote this:

tctrills:
Hinduism is not a single unified religion like Christianity or Islam.

It’s a civilizational tradition with multiple schools of thought (Vedanta, Samkhya, Yoga, Bhakti, Tantra, etc.), gods, practices, and texts.

Think of it as a federation of beliefs under a broad cultural and metaphysical umbrella.
It is clear that you are just disingenuous.

See what I said, like a brick wall he is still referencing the Harry Potter remark. I don't waste my time with deliberately obtuse people.
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by tctrills: 7:30pm On Jul 06, 2025
LordReed:
LoLz! Are you not the one who wrote this:



It is clear that you are just disingenuous.

See what I said, like a brick wall he is still referencing the Harry Potter remark. I don't waste my time with deliberately obtuse people.
Oga, your Job was to produce a text comparable to the bible that meets the standards I set. You have not done that; rather, you choose to talk about Christians. Can we please return to the topic? Please produce your 3rd entry.
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by LordReed(m): 7:34pm On Jul 06, 2025
tctrills:
Oga, your Job was to produce a text comparable to the bible that meets the standards I set. You have not done that; rather, you choose to talk about Christians. Can we please return to the topic? Please produce your 3rd entry.
I am done with you.
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by DeepSight(m): 7:35pm On Jul 06, 2025
LordReed:
I am done with you.
Is it not enough to challenge someone's sanity?

grin
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by tctrills: 7:38pm On Jul 06, 2025
LordReed:
I am done with you.
Oga, you can't be done with me oh. You can't leave without completion of your assignment.
Please do not be done with me. I need you here. At least one more try. I am begging.
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by LordReed(m): 7:39pm On Jul 06, 2025
DeepSight:
Is it not enough to challenge someone's sanity?

grin
LoLz. You see am too bah. Na wa o.
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by tctrills: 7:49pm On Jul 06, 2025
LordReed:
I am done with you.
You actually have a very easy job. Your job is to find fault in a text than was written over a span of 2000 years and by several authors. It is the easiest job on earth but it is not constructive. I read the bible and I am amazed by the 99 truths, consistencies and great wisdom found within. You read and you look for that one controversy to make your judgement. I advise you, the next time you read the bible, do it in search for truth and not controversy.
Do it and be amazed how a primitive text spanning 2000 years has so much to enrich your life.
Hope you know that the bible is just one story with over 50 authors and written over 2000 years. It is the greatest story ever told.
Please read it again with a different mindset
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by Janosky: 10:22pm On Jul 06, 2025
FreeIgboho:
You were told to point to one place Jesus told anyone NOT to worship him or rejected worship like everyone else. He is divine!
Jesus is divine meaning Jesus is a god.
Divine/ Divinity = a god.
Screenshot evidence

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FreeIgboho:
By the way, you keep saying "I AM" worshippers.
You are one! Yahweh (Jehovah) literally means "I am"!!
FreeIgboho:
See him, "I am who I am" that Jews shortened to "I am". Comedy skit!
Jehovah meaning " I will be what I will be."
The Jews NEVER believed what you claimed.
Screenshot evidence.

Oga Stop deceiving yourself
.
cheesy grin

Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by Janosky: 10:25pm On Jul 06, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Your own opinion!

They wanted to stone him for claiming he existed before Abraham only heavenly beings are immortal but they knew his father, mother and siblings so to them he blasphemed! smiley
Tell him again maybe this time he would comprehend it.
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Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by Janosky: 10:42pm On Jul 06, 2025
FreeIgboho:
It is NOT my opinion. Use your head for once instead of SHEEPISHLY following JW doctrine. It was clearly demonstrated that Jesus knew what people would think (another thing you'd associate with God). Obviously he KNEW they'd know what he meant - that he was God! Not only that, he spoke with authority. Now imagine someone who spoke with authority say emphatically "I Am" instead of the grammatically correct "I was".
It is NOT a crime to use your head sometimes!
Jesus christ rejected that false claim made by the Jews.
Jesus disagreed with them.
John 5:18-19,John 10:34-36,Jesus said so "he can not do anything by himself " because he is a god,the son of God
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by FreeIgboho(op): 10:43pm On Jul 06, 2025
Janosky:
Jesus is divine meaning Jesus is a god.
Divine/ Divinity = a god.
Screenshot evidence

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Jehovah meaning " I will be what I will be."
The Jews NEVER believed what you claimed.
Screenshot evidence.

Oga Stop deceiving yourself[/b].
cheesy grin
Christianity is monotheistic. We only have one God. Once you start having "a god" it is not longer Christianity. It is either Jesus is God (the Son) or he is not. There is no in-between "god"

If "I am" cannot be derived from "I am what I am" or "I will be what I will be" how come "Johovah" can be derived from YHWH. Do you know there is no such name as Johovah. Do you know it is a mistake from medieval times?
Not only that, if "I am" was not holy to the Israelites how come they said Jesus was saying he was God for using it??
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by FreeIgboho(op): 10:46pm On Jul 06, 2025
Janosky:
Jesus christ rejected that false claim made by the Jews.
Jesus disagreed with them.
John 5:18-19,John 10:34-36,Jesus said so "he can not do anything by himself " because he is a god,the son of God
Once again, there us no "a god" in Christianity. We only have one God and Jesus is a Son (manifestation) of that one God
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by Janosky: 10:47pm On Jul 06, 2025
FreeIgboho:
You goaded me into saying something I wouldn't have said!
I mean how can Jews say verbatim:
John 10:33,: "We are not stoning you for any good work," they replied, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God,"
Yet you keep insisting they were not going to stone him for claiming to be God! Jeez!
Anyway I didn't mean to be insulting and if you take it as such I hereby withdraw the statement.
But if I don't use "sheepishly" what word would you advice me to use?
Oga, Jesus reply to the Jews is in John 10:34-36.

Jesus rejected their false allegation.
Your Bible did not end in verse 33.

grin
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by Janosky: 10:52pm On Jul 06, 2025
FreeIgboho:
Once again, there us no "a god" in Christianity. We only have one God and Jesus is a Son (manifestation) of that one God
Jehovah God Almighty calls His Sons gods.Psalm 82:6
Each son is a god, Jesus agreed,John 10:34-36


Acts 12:22-23. 1 Corinthians 8:4-5, Oga Stop deceiving yourself
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by FreeIgboho(op):
Janosky:
Oga, Jesus reply to the Jews is in John 10:34-36.

Jesus rejected their false allegation.
Your Bible did not end in verse 33.

grin
How many times do you have to be told, you don't cherrypick the Bible! Too many things point to Jesus divinity. He was directly called God and unlike everyone else he didn't rebuke who called him that, He's alpha and Omega, etc
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by FreeIgboho(op): 10:55pm On Jul 06, 2025
Janosky:
Jehovah God Almighty calls His Sons gods.Psalm 82:6
Each son is a god, Jesus agreed,John 10:34-36


Acts 12:22-23. 1 Corinthians 8:4-5, Oga Stop deceiving yourself
Bros do.you know what monotheism means. Please tell us
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by Janosky: 11:17pm On Jul 06, 2025
FreeIgboho:
How many times do you have to be told, you don't cherrypick the Bible! Too many things point to Jesus divinity. He .was directly called God and unlike everyone else he didn't rebuke who called him that, He's alpha and Omega, etc
Alpha & Omega is a title that God Almighty gave his Son Jesus the authority to bear it, John 17:7.Matthew 28:18

You want Jesus to be your deity but Jesus agreed that God his Senior calls Jesus a god.
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God his Senior (or Father) has no equal,Hebrew 6:13.
Whether you call Jesus your own (Alpha and Omega ,the titles that God his Father gave Jesus,@ John 17:7),does that change Jesus opinion that he is a god?

Oga, does your claim change Jehovah's decree that Jesus his Son is a god @ John 10:34-36 & Psalms 82:6?

No be you or me dey decide wetin we go call Jesus.
Nah Jehovah God him Father get that authority.- God his Father said His Son Jesus is a god.
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by FreeIgboho(op): 11:23pm On Jul 06, 2025
Janosky:
Alpha & Omega is a title that God Almighty gave his Son Jesus the authority to bear it, John 17:7.Matthew 28:18

You want Jesus to be your deity but Jesus agreed that God his Senior calls Jesus a god.
'


God his Senior (or Father) has no equal,Hebrew 6:13.
Whether you call Jesus your own (Alpha and Omega ,the titles that God his Father gave Jesus,@ John 17:7),does that change Jesus opinion that he is a god?

Oga, does your claim change Jehovah's decree that Jesus his Son is a god @ John 10:34-36 & Psalms 82:6?

No be you or me dey decide wetin we go call Jesus.
Nah Jehovah God him Father get that authority.- God his Father said His Son Jesus is a god.
Your problem is that you refuse to step outside human reasoning when it comes to Jesus. If you used human reasoning, how can God listen to a million prayers at once?? God said don't have any other gods, don't worship them. What exactly makes these your other gods gods??
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by Janosky: 11:30pm On Jul 06, 2025
FreeIgboho:
Bros do.you know what monotheism means. Please tell us
Yes.
The worship of the ONLY Supreme God,Jehovah, supported by Matthew 4:10 and Mark 12:28-30,the teaching of Jesus Christ.

Oga, do you worship two Spirits,the Father & his Son?
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by FreeIgboho(op): 11:32pm On Jul 06, 2025
Janosky:
Yes.
The worship of the ONLY Supreme God,Jehovah, supported by Matthew 4:10 and Mark 12:28-30,the teaching of Jesus Christ.

Oga, do you worship two Spirits,the Father & his Son?
Answer the question. We all know what makes Jesus God. What exactly makes these your other gods gods??
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by Janosky: 11:47pm On Jul 06, 2025
FreeIgboho:
Your problem is that you refuse to step outside human reasoning when it comes to Jesus.
Oga Did your own Bible or Jesus Christ label Psalms 82:6 & John 10:34-36 as "human reasoning"?


FreeIgboho:
If you used human reasoning, how can God listen to a million prayers at once?? God said don't have any other gods, don't worship them. What exactly makes these your other gods gods??
[b]
But nah you dey worship 2 Spirits dey break Jehovah God's Command,
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Psalms 82:6 and John 10:34-36,Oga did Jehovah call (other Beings His Sons) gods?
Yes, according to Jehovah God Almighty.

Did Jehovah God Almighty command you to worship other Beings or Jesus that He calls gods?
Not at all.

Jehovah God calls his Son's (other beings) gods.
That is what makes them gods .
/b]
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by Janosky: 11:56pm On Jul 06, 2025
FreeIgboho:
Answer the question. We all know what makes Jesus God.
Oga, do you worship 2 spirit beings?

FreeIgboho:
What exactly makes these your other gods gods??
Oga,you have jumped to a false premise to make a wrong conclusion .
Jehovah God in Your own Bible calls other beings gods.
These other beings ( including Jesus are gods ,I don't worship them.
Is this point that clear to you!
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by FreeIgboho(op): 12:16am On Jul 07, 2025
Janosky:
Oga, do you worship 2 spirit beings?



Oga,you have jumped to a false premise to make a wrong conclusion .
Jehovah God in Your own Bible calls other beings gods.
These other beings ( including Jesus are gods ,I don't worship them.
Is this point that clear to you!
We worship only ONE God. One of his manifestations is his Son, Jesus
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by FreeIgboho(op): 12:23am On Jul 07, 2025
Janosky:
Oga Did your own Bible or Jesus Christ label Psalms 82:6 & John 10:34-36 as "human reasoning"?




[b]
But nah you dey worship 2 Spirits dey break Jehovah God's Command,
grin grin

Psalms 82:6 and John 10:34-36,Oga did Jehovah call (other Beings His Sons) gods?
Yes, according to Jehovah God Almighty.

Did Jehovah God Almighty command you to worship other Beings or Jesus that He calls gods?
Not at all.

Jehovah God calls his Son's (other beings) gods.
That is what makes them gods .
/b]
What makes them gods??
We don't have "gods" in Christianity.
What makes Jesus God:
He accepted worship
He forgave sins
He used the divine "I am"
He said once you see him, you've seen God
He did extreme miracles like raise the dead and command wind
He said he'd come into people's hearts
He raised himself from dead as he said he would

Which of your "gods" has any of these attributes?
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by FreeIgboho(op):
Janosky:
Oga, do you worship 2 spirit beings?



Oga,you have jumped to a false premise to make a wrong conclusion .
Jehovah God in Your own Bible calls other beings gods.
These other beings ( including Jesus are gods ,I don't worship them.
Is this point that clear to you!
You've already been told "Jehovah" is a medieval mistake. See below
Maxindhouse might also take note.

Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by FreeIgboho(op):
FreeIgboho:
Yes I did. The flaw is that they don't claim Paul was also not a real person. The problem with claiming Jesus never existed is the existence of people like Paul!
Maxindhouse and Janosky will like it. Lordreed, DeepSight, Moremii will love it.
tctrills, Dtruthspeaker, what you think of it?
Everyday247, Ruke1990
sonmvayina, number 1 Christ existence dinier, this ought shut up up! cheesy
https://www.youtue.com/watch?v=EEcZtMhj4Jw
I feel bad not also posting proofs Jesus obviously existed. It ought be beyond debate just from the Bible - no one can make up all that!

These are all ONE minute long:

https://youtube.com/shorts/M_b6qZcQ2VY?si=2hQR-hPTFNa30NLw

https://youtube.com/shorts/R3RF-3NkWII?si=83kTmj0p89zaaAas

https://youtube.com/shorts/pZN-8_LL8a8?si=hYcHAzwpfRHAR8iG

https://youtube.com/shorts/dGqJFjms6LI?si=p0AtgJEiO6JjnLBI
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:42am On Jul 07, 2025
Janosky:
Tell him again maybe this time he would comprehend it. cheesy grin
Only Jehovah's Witnesses encourage him to open the Bible his other friends are interested in using human reasoning so please let him continue with them at least they all agree with him in the worship of their I AM!
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by tctrills: 8:28am On Jul 07, 2025
FreeIgboho:
I feel bad not also posting proofs Jesus obviously existed. It ought be beyond debate just from the Bible - no one can make up all that!

These are all ONE minute long:

https://youtube.com/shorts/M_b6qZcQ2VY?si=2hQR-hPTFNa30NLw

https://youtube.com/shorts/R3RF-3NkWII?si=83kTmj0p89zaaAas

https://youtube.com/shorts/pZN-8_LL8a8?si=hYcHAzwpfRHAR8iG

https://youtube.com/shorts/dGqJFjms6LI?si=p0AtgJEiO6JjnLBI
Trust me, they will still argue. You can't change their minds. They prefer to believe any story that disproves Christ no matter how unproven it is.
Re: Why Jesus Is DEFINITELY God * by LordReed(m): 9:52am On Jul 07, 2025
FreeIgboho:
I feel bad not also posting proofs Jesus obviously existed. It ought be beyond debate just from the Bible - no one can make up all that!

These are all ONE minute long:

https://youtube.com/shorts/M_b6qZcQ2VY?si=2hQR-hPTFNa30NLw

https://youtube.com/shorts/R3RF-3NkWII?si=83kTmj0p89zaaAas

https://youtube.com/shorts/pZN-8_LL8a8?si=hYcHAzwpfRHAR8iG

https://youtube.com/shorts/dGqJFjms6LI?si=p0AtgJEiO6JjnLBI
tctrills:
Trust me, they will still argue. You can't change their minds. They prefer to believe any story that disproves Christ no matter how unproven it is.
Have you ever seen me argue that Jesus did not exist?
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