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MaxInDHouse:
This is why i don't blame atheists and agnostics saying the Bible is a myth.

How can a right thinking person say the book is a masterpiece yet he couldn't explain what is written in the book in a convincing way?

The same person said it's not a book to be understood yet he insult individuals who queries the intention of it's Author?

He keeps ignoring the fact that in the absence of a practical application which supposed to help observers grasp the intention of the author the whole thing is rubbish.

There are many books written all in the name of sacred writings and many people have fabricated stories about God/Gods of all kinds, contradictions is everywhere as if they are all speculating with nothing to show as evidence of the presence of their God/Gods.

Any intellectual will ask for the WORKS of this so called "God" in the midst of His worshipers so that we can all observe what this God is up to.

If it's just about what is written in books then we have to start going through thousands of books written about thousands of Gods after all none of these Gods has showed up for a verification!

A true carpenter can only be justified if products having to do with carpentry are not missing in his showroom, a true chef should be able to cook good meals, a true physician supposed to have drugs for different kinds of ailments in the same manner the true God should be able to maintain PEACE among His worshipers who are from different nations, tribes and ethnic groups.

The universal definition of God is Supreme Being and no one is can claim supreme if there is no peace among His subjects.

In the absence of a practical application that's working out real benefits among adherents either the Author or Translator is wrong!

LoLz! I think you can see that it is you who broke the agreement not to quote each other now right?

LordReed:
LoLz! I think you can see that it is you who broke the agreement not to quote each other now right?

YES!
I did but not to question your position!

MaxInDHouse:
YES!
I did but not to question your position!

You still quoted me first so that the next time you get triggered you don't start saying I am the one who broke it.

LordReed:
You still quoted me first so that the next time you get triggered you don't start saying I am the one who broke it.

Alright Sir!

MaxInDHouse:
Those that turned against the Christian doctrine {1John 2:19} what should other members do to them? Romans 16:17; 2John 1:10-11

My friend, if your mother decides to join JW and after a while decides it's not for her and leaves, you treat her exactly as you treated her before she joined. Otherwise you're a cult and you bear that title with pride!

MaxInDHouse:
Obviously you don't understand what is happening on the Internet!

Many articles has been written against Jesus on the Internet claiming he never existed why don't you believe such articles?

Ok, there is a grand conspiracy amongst all historians in the world to say that "Jehovah" is a mistake - a mistakenly totally made-up word that has little to do with the name of God!
Keep deceiving yourself

MaxInDHouse:
Please expatiate on the highlighted!

I know you have Google like everyone else.
See below

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus said it again and again that he is the Son! Son!! Son!!! Of God not God himself o!

Christ's relationship to the father does not have human equivalent. From human perspective a single male cannot have son. You can't have son without a mother. Jesus is an incarnation of the God, a manifestation of the father NOT son in the human sense

LordReed:
You mean you don't know the Bible is a compendium that was put together by committee? Men you really need to go and rethink your life.

The OT (ie the Torah and Tanakh) used by the Jews was not put together by any committee. There are different versions of the Bible not just KJV, all derived from original sources and they all say approximately the same thing

FreeIgboho:
The OT (ie the Torah and Tanakh) used by the Jews was not put together by any committee. There are different versions of the Bible not just KJV, all derived from original sources and they all say approximately the same thing

LoLz. Go read up on the history of these books. You too ignorant of them to be having this conversation.

LordReed:
LoLz. Go read up on the history of these books. You too ignorant of them to be having this conversation.

You the one talking crap. See all these versions of the Bible below, most of them by competing interests and from original sources, yet they all say approximately the same thing

FreeIgboho:
Yes I did. The flaw is that they don't claim Paul was also not a real person. The problem with claiming Jesus never existed is the existence of people like Paul!
Maxindhouse and Janosky will like it. Lordreed, DeepSight, Moremii will love it.
tctrills, Dtruthspeaker, what you think of it?
Everyday247, Ruke1990, sonmvayina
https://www.youtue.com/watch?v=EEcZtMhj4Jw

Those of you who fervently believe in FREE WILL, please educate me, was there ever the slightest chance that Judas would not betray Jesus?

FreeIgboho:
Those of you who fervently believe in FREE WILL, please educate me, was there ever the slightest chance that Judas would not betray Jesus?

Freewill is incompatible with predestination and this represents another contradiction in the bible.

While much of the Bible alludes to freewill, check out this verse which suggests the contrary:

Romans 8:29-30 (ESV):
> "For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified."

FreeIgboho:
My friend, if your mother decides to join JW and after a while decides it's not for her and leaves, you treat her exactly as you treated her before she joined. Otherwise you're a cult and you bear that title with pride!

MaxInDHouse:
Those that turned against the Christian doctrine {1John 2:19} what should other members do to them? Romans 16:17; 2John 1:10-11

Why did you dodge the question nah?

FreeIgboho:
Ok, there is a grand conspiracy amongst all historians in the world to say that "Jehovah" is a mistake - a mistakenly totally made-up word that has little to do with the name of God!
Keep deceiving yourself

In ancient times how many nations agree with Israel?

FreeIgboho:
I know you have Google like everyone else. See below

OK Google is your guide no longer what is written in the scriptures shey?

FreeIgboho:
Christ's relationship to the father does not have human equivalent. From human perspective a single male cannot have son. You can't have son without a mother. Jesus is an incarnation of the God, a manifestation of the father NOT son in the human sense

Father and Son simply means one is higher as in superior to the other! John 14:28

FreeIgboho:
You the one talking crap. See all these versions of the Bible below, most of them by competing interests and from original sources, yet they all say approximately the same thing

LMFAO! Damn! You have lost the plot. Who is talking about translations? Translations have their own problem but we are talking about origins. Are you sure you are alright? Do you need a cup of coffee to focus?

FreeIgboho:
Those of you who fervently believe in FREE WILL, please educate me, was there ever the slightest chance that Judas would not betray Jesus?

YES!
The prophecy says someone very close to the Christ will betray him {Psalms 41:9} and Judah loves money to the extent of STEALING from whatever is given to the group {John 12:6} Jesus purposely chose Judas so that as the treasurer of the group he could always have money in his possession and Jesus never queried him even though he knew that Judas always steals what is kept in his care.
So Judas has the freewill to be loyal but he allowed the love of money to destroy him! 1Timothy 6:9-10

FreeIgboho:
Those of you who fervently believe in FREE WILL, please educate me, was there ever the slightest chance that Judas would not betray Jesus?
D

What I know about is freedom of choice. We make our own choices and live with the consequences.
The story says Judas betrayed Jesus. It's a story. Nothing more.
Does okonkwo have the slightest chance of sparing Ikemefuna's life?

DeepSight:
Freewill is incompatible with predestination and this represents another contradiction in the bible.

While much of the Bible alludes to freewill, check out this verse which suggests the contrary:

Romans 8:29-30 (ESV):
> "For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified."

So what is your own take? Do we have free will?
Let's also hear the take of our other discussants:
Maxindhouse, Janosky, Lordreed, DeepSight,
tctrills, Dtruthspeaker, Everyday247, Ruke1990, sonmvayina

MaxInDHouse:
Why did you dodge the question nah?

I asked you to give examples

FreeIgboho:
So what is your own take? Do we have free will?
Let's also hear the take of our other discussants:

That depends on what you define as freewill

MaxInDHouse:
In ancient times how many nations agree with Israel?

We're talking about people who's entire job is to document the past. They all say the same thing about the name "Jehovah". What has that to do with Israel??

MaxInDHouse:
Father and Son simply means one is higher as in superior to the other! John 14:28

Nope. Higher in the sense one peak of same mountain is higher than another

FreeIgboho:
So what is your own take? Do we have free will?

It feels like we do, but I have absolutely no idea.

I have three reasons for this.

1. Spiritual. This I cannot prove. However I have from childhood experienced predictive dreams of such detail and accuracy that I cannot deny that some things about the future are set in stone already. As I said, I can't prove this to anyone. But it gives me reason to doubt our freewill.

2. Genetic. As long as it is true that we inherit certain traits, that already limits our freewill because it means that there are certain proclivities and predispositions we are born with. Like a program.

3. Cause and Effect. If the law of cause and Effect holds true, there is an unbroken line of cause and effect from the dawn of time till this very second. And that again limits what may be thought of as freewill.

LordReed:
LMFAO! Damn! You have lost the plot. Who is talking about translations? Translations have their own problem but we are talking about origins. Are you sure you are alright? Do you need a cup of coffee to focus?

Know the difference between mere translation and a whole new version

FreeIgboho:
So what is your own take? Do we have free will?
Let's also hear the take of our other discussants:
Maxindhouse, Janosky, Lordreed, DeepSight,
tctrills, Dtruthspeaker, Everyday247, Ruke1990, sonmvayina

If by free will you mean completely free from any influence or causal determinants then no we do not have free will. We have wills that are influenced by causal determinants. This doesn't mean all our choices are predetermined but that there's a certain chance they will follow a predetermined outcome.

LordReed:
If by free will you mean completely free from any influence or causal determinants then no we do not have free will. We have wills that influenced by causal determinants. This doesn't mean all our choices are predetermined but that there's a certain chance they will follow a predetermined outcome.

Very well said.

FreeIgboho:
Nope. Higher in the sense one peak of same mountain is higher than another

You know very well that the verse says "the father is greater than I."