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FreeIgboho:
How can someone born in Saudi Arabia choose faith in what the Bible teaches?
Same way, how can you choose to be a Muslim?

Na wah o!
Abeg go for a home Bible study with Jehovah's Witnesses!

Jesus said:

And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. Matthew 24:14

Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit Matthew 28:19

But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part of the earth.” Act 1:8

Do you believe in Jesus?

FreeIgboho:
Did you read? The type of brain and personality and all those things listed will 100% determine your choice - none of which you chose!

Lie!
Among Jehovah's Witnesses we have all kinds of people in different conditions and nations and class and races who have chosen to be Witnesses of Jehovah due to the global campaign of the kingdom of our God! Act 1:8

With all your Jesus is God argument you don't even believe in Jesus' prophecy that his real disciples will become FISHERS OF MEN GLOBALLY? Mark 1:7

Abeg why do you people just like arguing blindly nah?

MaxInDHouse:
So why arguing since saying people don't accept what you are saying?
Why not give up since God has destined everything?

Walahi talahi Satan nah deceiver!

Did you read? There's a lot you don't know and a lot you'll never know that you never knew

FreeIgboho:
Did you read? There's a lot you don't know and a lot you'll never know that you never knew

But you knew it all àbí?

MaxInDHouse:
The world doesn't support truth from time immemorial so faithful people don't follow aimless croud! Exodus 23:1-2
Those telling you that are they believers in God?
What do they conclude is God's name?
Are they organized to preach about God's Kingdom as Jesus commanded his disciples?

Ọmọ you are following a faithless croud that has evil intentions!

Extreme believers in fact. Which is why they had to dig out the truth. You have to know that JW never consisted of very educated people. Charles Russel left school at 14. So you wouldn't expect them to know better. But you know better

FreeIgboho:
Extreme believers in fact. Which is why they had to dig out the truth. You have to know that JW never consisted of very educated people. Charles Russel left school at 14. So you wouldn't expect them to know better. But you know better

When they saw the courage of Peter and John and realized that they were unschooled, ordinary men, they were astonished and they took note that these men had been with Jesus. ‭Acts 4:13 NIV‬


Jesus said:

“I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to young children. Yes, O Father, because this is the way you approved." Matthew 11:25-26

Guy no be worldly qualifications God dey follow do Him own we work o!

MaxInDHouse:
Na wah o!
Abeg go for a home Bible study with Jehovah's Witnesses!

Jesus said:

And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. Matthew 24:14

Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit Matthew 28:19

But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part of the earth.” Act 1:8

Do you believe in Jesus?

I asked you a simple question. If you were born in Saudi Arabia would you be a Christian? And even if you would, won't it be dependent on what type of person you are, what type of brain you have, and what you were taught growing up - none of which you chose!

FreeIgboho:
I asked you a simple question. If you were born in Saudi Arabia would you be a Christian? And even if you would, won't it be dependent on what type of person you are, what type of brain you have, and what you were taught growing up - none of which you chose!

Stop deceiving yourself none of these determines people's decision regarding faith. What determines whether you will become a believer in Christ or not is RIGHTEOUSNESS and HUMILITY! Zephaniah 2:2-3

RIGHTEOUSNESS will make you think twice before you treat preachers badly knowing they came in God's name! Romans 10:15

HUMILITY will help you accept they knew better than you do!

And mind you i was a Muslim before i met Jehovah's Witnesses the true believers in Christ!

MaxInDHouse:
Lie!
Among Jehovah's Witnesses we have all kinds of people in different conditions and nations and class and races who have chosen to be Witnesses of Jehovah due to the global campaign of the kingdom of our God! Act 1:8

Ok, see below. How can someone given a stubborn brain that finds it very hard to accept new things convert from Islam to JW in Saudi Arabia??

FreeIgboho:
Not that. Here's what is being refered to:

I still don't understand

FreeIgboho:
You really think there is a chance God would leave such a monumental and momentous part of his plan to the whims of the fickle mind of a man?

That depends on God's intent. Maybe he has a predetermined outcome or maybe he's just amusing himself.

FreeIgboho:
Ok, see below. How can someone given a stubborn brain that finds it very hard to accept new things convert from Islam to JW in Saudi Arabia??

Ọmọ you have no faith at all you're just arguing blindly!

We have Jehovah's Witnesses in Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran and all Muslim countries in fact they find us to be loving and peaceful neighbors because we don't drag political appointments with them unlike your people!

Everyday247:
That depends on God's intent. Maybe he has a predetermined outcome or maybe he's just amusing himself.

Just imagine!

Making God's word a laughing stock due to your presumptuousness.

How can God predestine people and at the end punish them for playing their roles according to the script given them?

MaxInDHouse:
But you knew it all àbí?

Where did I say that? Did I not say in the OP that I accepted Jesus as God incarnate NOT from my own reasoning but because how things happened with him - because there's a lot I don't know

FreeIgboho:
Where did I say that? Did I not say in the OP that I accepted Jesus as God incarnate NOT from my own reasoning but because how things happened with him - because there's a lot I don't know

Hen nah!

I too accept Jesus is not God because he was begging God with tears to save him:


During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. ‭Hebrews 5:7 NIV‬

MaxInDHouse:
Just imagine!

Making God's word a laughing stock due to your presumptuousness.

How can God predestine people and at the end punish them for playing their roles according to the script given them?

Well if you put it that way, it doesn't make sense.

MaxInDHouse:
Stop deceiving yourself none of these determines people's decision regarding faith. What determines whether you will become a believer in Christ or not is RIGHTEOUSNESS and HUMILITY! Zephaniah 2:2-3

RIGHTEOUSNESS will make you think twice before you treat preachers badly knowing they came in God's name! Romans 10:15

HUMILITY will help you accept they knew better than you do!

And mind you i was a Muslim before i met Jehovah's Witnesses the true believers in Christ!

And what determines RIGHTEOUSNESS and HUMILITY?? Same things you never chose - where you were born, to whom, circumstances you grew up in, plus the kind of brain and personality you were given!

Everyday247:
Well if you put it that way, it doesn't make sense.

That's exactly what he is insinuating!

Everyday247:
I still don't understand

What don't you understand? He's asking you to justify Yaweh

... the deliberate disemination of falsehood by Yahweh, I am interested in looking also at some of the other interesting attributes of this deity.

A key one is extreme brutality.

Genocide, and brutal injunctions to stoning to death in odd circumstances.

Start with Genocidal Commands -

Wikipedia -

Deuteronomy 7 is notable because it contains one of the most overt instances of God ordering the Israelites to commit genocide against neighboring societies.

1. When the LORD your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations -- the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you --

2 and when the LORD your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.

3 Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons,

4 for they will turn your sons away from following me to serve other gods, and the LORD's anger will burn against you and will quickly destroy you.

5 This is what you are to do to them: Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones, cut down their Asherah poles and burn their idols in the fire. (Deut 7.1-5)

However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17 Completely destroy them -- the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites -- as the LORD your God has commanded you. 18 Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the LORD your God. (Deut 20.16ff)

Later Yahweh admonishes the Israelites for not killing each and every inhabitant in these lands.

FreeIgboho:
And what determines RIGHTEOUSNESS and HUMILITY?? Same things you never chose - where you were born, to whom, circumstances you grew up in, plus the kind of brain and personality you were given!

LIE!

God judges by what people know not what they don't know so if someone is a Muslim, Traditionalist, Buddhist, Judaist or Atheist all his life but live by conscience {Romans 2:14-15} God will grant such a person RESURRECTION. Act 24:15
So it's only those who deliberately choose to be evil that God will not recall! Psalms 9:17

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ you have no faith at all you're just arguing blindly!

We have Jehovah's Witnesses in Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran and all Muslim countries in fact they find us to be loving and peaceful neighbors because we don't drag political appointments with them unlike your people!

And you have some who'd NEVER be JW because of the type of brain they were given and the kind of person they were given to be - which they never chose!

MaxInDHouse:
Hen nah!

I too accept Jesus is not God because he was begging God with tears to save him:


During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. ‭Hebrews 5:7 NIV‬

That's exactly what I was saying - you are using your puny human brain to reason God. How do you know what God is supposed to do and not do?

MaxInDHouse:
LIE!

God judges by what people know not what they don't know so if someone is a Muslim, Traditionalist, Buddhist, Judaist or Atheist all his life but live by conscience {Romans 2:14-15} God will grant such a person RESURRECTION. Act 24:15
So it's only those who deliberately choose to be evil that God will not recall! Psalms 9:17

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And HOW will they live by conscience if they're born into an environment were they're taught it's wrong to do so and all the powerful people they knew never did such?

FreeIgboho:
That's exactly what I was saying - you are using your puny human brain to reason God. How do you know what God is supposed to do and not do?

At least God will never ever lie! Titus 1:2

So when God said:

“This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved. Listen to him.” Matthew 17:5

He meant we should listen to His son whom he sent {John 3:16-18} not himself!

FreeIgboho:
Things always end up happening how they were meant to happen.
Example, God would never have left such a momentous part of his plan to the fickle mind of Judas. Yet he must have tossed and turned all night trying to make a decision!

You are trolling. LoLz.

FreeIgboho:
And HOW will they live by conscience if they're born into an environment were they're taught it's wrong to do so and all the powerful people they knew never did such?

Conscience is inbuilt in all humans that's why two brothers do argue or quarrel over matters and stop deceiving yourself there is no human society where people don't live by conscience otherwise there won't be laws guiding inhabitants!

MaxInDHouse:
Just imagine!

Making God's word a laughing stock due to your presumptuousness.

How can God predestine people and at the end punish them for playing their roles according to the script given them?

Everyday247:
Well if you put it that way, it doesn't make sense.

My friend, a child is born a clean slate except that he is given a certain kind of brain and a basic personality - none of which he chose. Going forward his choices will 100% depend on where and to whom he was born, what he was taught, and his environment growing up - none of which he chose!

DeepSight:
Do you know the practice of taking a person to a river to have his head washed in order to re-route hs destiny or remove cobwebs from his brain?

That may be the sort of thing FreeIgboho requires.

He sure requires something. Urgently.

Maximus692:
Conscience is inbuilt in all humans that's why two brothers do argue or quarrel over matters and stop deceiving yourself there is no human society where people don't live by conscience otherwise there won't be laws guiding inhabitants!

And what determines who'd live by conscience abd who'd not - all thise things I listed, none of which you chose!

FreeIgboho:
My friend, a child is born a clean slate except that he is given a certain kind of brain and a basic personality - none of which he chose. Going forward his choices will 100% depend on where and to whom he was born, what he was taught, and his environment growing up - none of which he chose!

The highlighted dismantle your lies!

Jesus sent us to go preaching and TEACHING people! Matthew 28:19-20

That's why we have Jehovah's Witnesses in all the countries of the world! Act 1:8