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In the Qur’an, Allah tells us about a moment when the disciples of Prophet Isa (Jesus) asked him for a miracle. They said: "Can your Lord send down to us a table spread with food from heaven?" (Surah Al-Ma’idah 5:112)

They wanted to see a sign so their hearts would be at peace. Isa warned them to fear Allah, but they insisted. So he prayed to Allah.

Allah responded:
"I will send it down to you, but whoever disbelieves afterwards from among you, I will punish him with a punishment unlike any I have inflicted on anyone among the worlds." (Surah Al-Ma’idah 5:115)

This shows that seeing a miracle is not enough if the heart is not sincere. Disbelief after clear signs is a serious matter.

The lesson is simple: we should not wait for miracles to believe. The Qur’an itself is a clear sign. May Allah keep us firm in faith.

tunnyl:
In the Qur’an, Allah tells us about a moment when the disciples of Prophet Isa (Jesus) asked him for a miracle. They said: "Can your Lord send down to us a table spread with food from heaven?" (Surah Al-Ma’idah 5:112)

They wanted to see a sign so their hearts would be at peace. Isa warned them to fear Allah, but they insisted. So he prayed to Allah.

Allah responded:
"I will send it down to you, but whoever disbelieves afterwards from among you, I will punish him with a punishment unlike any I have inflicted on anyone among the worlds." (Surah Al-Ma’idah 5:115)

This shows that seeing a miracle is not enough if the heart is not sincere. Disbelief after clear signs is a serious matter.

The lesson is simple: we should not wait for miracles to believe. The Qur’an itself is a clear sign. May Allah keep us firm in faith.

One of those stories Momo must have gotten wrong 🤣! Perhaps he conflated Peter's vision with Jesus.

Jesus never ordained a sign from God for the people, he even said no sign will come to this people save the sign of prophet Jonah! Any other sign imputed to Isa is definitely man-made👀 probably due to ignorance!

Alhamdulillah for Islam.

They don't believe is the miracle of Al-Maaidah! Na water to wine miracle they believe! A case for the alcoholic and binge drinkers!

Gabrielshow24:
One of those stories Momo must have gotten wrong 🤣! Perhaps he conflated Peter's vision with Jesus.

Jesus never ordained a sign from God for the people, he even said no sign will come to this people save the sign of prophet Jonah! Any other sign imputed to Isa is definitely man-made👀 probably due to ignorance!

Una don reach here? U only you waka kom?. Well The quran says so. Leave the matter for God

tunnyl:
In the Qur’an, Allah tells us about a moment when the disciples of Prophet Isa (Jesus) asked him for a miracle. They said: "Can your Lord send down to us a table spread with food from heaven?" (Surah Al-Ma’idah 5:112)

They wanted to see a sign so their hearts would be at peace. Isa warned them to fear Allah, but they insisted. So he prayed to Allah.

Allah responded:
"I will send it down to you, but whoever disbelieves afterwards from among you, I will punish him with a punishment unlike any I have inflicted on anyone among the worlds." (Surah Al-Ma’idah 5:115)

This shows that seeing a miracle is not enough if the heart is not sincere. Disbelief after clear signs is a serious matter.

The lesson is simple: we should not wait for miracles to believe. The Qur’an itself is a clear sign. May Allah keep us firm in faith.

Islam and lies is like 5&6

Let me break it down according to the Qur'an
1. The disciples of Jesus are no prophets
2. Allah did not even speak directly to Mohammed
3. The disciples asked Jesus for food from Allah
4. Jesus spoke to Allah about this request
5. Allah spoke directly to the Disciples


Tell me, how did Allah speak to the disciples of Jesus?


It is easy to propagate lies when there is no witness!

TenQ:
Islam and lies is like 5&6

Let me break it down according to the Qur'an
1. The disciples of Jesus are no prophets
2. Allah did not even speak directly to Mohammed
3. The disciples asked Jesus for food from Allah
4. Jesus spoke to Allah about this request
5. Allah spoke directly to the Disciples


Tell me, how did Allah speak to the disciples of Jesus?


It is easy to propagate lies when there is no witness!

Your entire rant only exposes your ignorance and desperation to twist what you clearly don’t understand. Let me educate you since you’re so eager to embarrass yourself publicly:

1️⃣ No one ever claimed the disciples were prophets — they were sincere followers of a prophet, which is exactly what the Qur’an states. Unlike your contradictory scriptures that confuse prophets with ‘sons of God’ and ‘God incarnate’, the Qur’an is clear and consistent.

2️⃣ Allah spoke to Prophet Muhammad ﷺ through revelation — the same way He spoke to Moses through the burning bush and through an angel to Mary. You want a physical conversation? That’s your flawed understanding of divine communication — not Islam’s problem.

3️⃣ The disciples asked Prophet Isa (Jesus) عليه السلام to pray to Allah for the miracle — exactly as the verse says. He prayed. Allah answered Isa — not the disciples directly. Learn to read before you vomit your ignorance.

4️⃣ Allah’s words were conveyed through Isa عليه السلام — He was the messenger. So where’s your imaginary contradiction? You only prove that you neither understand your own Bible nor the Qur’an you keep misquoting.

5️⃣ As for “no witness” — the irony is rich coming from someone who relies on anonymous Greek manuscripts and centuries of forgeries, contradictions, and church edits in your own book. Meanwhile, the Qur’an remains preserved word-for-word, unchanged, and memorized by millions.

👉🏼 Bottom line: Your cheap insults don’t refute anything. They only prove that when you have no real argument, you resort to childish mockery. The Qur’an exposes falsehood with clarity — whether you like it or not. May Allah guide you — or break your arrogance if you persist in mocking His signs.

CreativeOrbit:
Your entire rant only exposes your ignorance and desperation to twist what you clearly don’t understand. Let me educate you since you’re so eager to embarrass yourself publicly:

1️⃣ No one ever claimed the disciples were prophets — they were sincere followers of a prophet, which is exactly what the Qur’an states. Unlike your contradictory scriptures that confuse prophets with ‘sons of God’ and ‘God incarnate’, the Qur’an is clear and consistent.

2️⃣ Allah spoke to Prophet Muhammad ﷺ through revelation — the same way He spoke to Moses through the burning bush and through an angel to Mary. You want a physical conversation? That’s your flawed understanding of divine communication — not Islam’s problem.

3️⃣ The disciples asked Prophet Isa (Jesus) عليه السلام to pray to Allah for the miracle — exactly as the verse says. He prayed. Allah answered Isa — not the disciples directly. Learn to read before you vomit your ignorance.

4️⃣ Allah’s words were conveyed through Isa عليه السلام — He was the messenger. So where’s your imaginary contradiction? You only prove that you neither understand your own Bible nor the Qur’an you keep misquoting.

5️⃣ As for “no witness” — the irony is rich coming from someone who relies on anonymous Greek manuscripts and centuries of forgeries, contradictions, and church edits in your own book. Meanwhile, the Qur’an remains preserved word-for-word, unchanged, and memorized by millions.

👉🏼 Bottom line: Your cheap insults don’t refute anything. They only prove that when you have no real argument, you resort to childish mockery. The Qur’an exposes falsehood with clarity — whether you like it or not. May Allah guide you — or break your arrogance if you persist in mocking His signs.

Islam cannot withstand scrutiny.
You said that Allah's words were conveyed through ISA, but check this verse

Qur'an 5:115
Allah said, "Indeed, I will send it down to you, but whoever disbelieves afterwards from among you—then indeed I will punish him with a punishment by which I have not punished anyone among the worlds."

Muslims always struggling to defend Allah and Mohammed with falsehood. As you can see, contrary to your claim in 3&4, Allah wasn't speaking to Jesus!

The question remains:
How did Allah speak to the disciples of Jesus?

TenQ:
Islam cannot withstand scrutiny.
You said that Allah's words were conveyed through ISA, but check this verse

Qur'an 5:115
Allah said, "Indeed, I will send it down to you, but whoever disbelieves afterwards from among you—then indeed I will punish him with a punishment by which I have not punished anyone among the worlds."

Muslims always struggling to defend Allah and Mohammed with falsehood. As you can see, contrary to your claim in 3&4, Allah wasn't speaking to Jesus!

The question remains:
How did Allah speak to the disciples of Jesus?

Your reply only exposes your stubborn ignorance and your desperate attempt to twist a clear verse you obviously don’t understand — or pretend not to. So let me drag you back to reality, step by step:

1️⃣ Reading comprehension 101:
When Allah says in Qur’an 5:115 “I will send it down to you…” — who is ‘you’? Go read 5:112-114 properly: The disciples asked Prophet Isa (Jesus) عليه السلام to pray to Allah to send down a table spread with food. So Isa عليه السلام prayed to Allah on their behalf — and Allah responded through Isa, because Isa was their Prophet and Messenger. Allah did not sit and have a tea party directly with the disciples — He answered Isa’s supplication (du’a). That’s exactly how divine communication works: through revelation to the Prophet — not casual chit-chat with followers.

2️⃣ You expose your ignorance of your own Bible’s so-called ‘communication’.
You want to mock the Qur’an’s clear method of revelation, yet your own Bible says God is ‘not the author of confusion’ — while your entire theology is a contradiction of man-gods, literal sons, and ambiguous ‘Trinity’ puzzles you can’t explain without mental gymnastics.

3️⃣ This verse is a warning — not casual dialogue.
Allah’s statement in 5:115 is a divine decree of consequence for disbelief after a miracle — not a chit-chat. Who conveyed this to the disciples? Isa عليه السلام did — as their Prophet. No Muslim scholar, no Arabic grammar, no tafsir says Allah sat and spoke to them directly like a neighbor. Stop lying.

4️⃣ Your real struggle is projecting your Bible’s contradictions onto the Qur’an.
Unlike your Greek manuscripts with anonymous authors, fabricated conversations, and scribal forgeries, the Qur’an is preserved, clear, and consistent in its mode of revelation: Allah speaks to His prophets, who then convey the message. It’s called wahy (revelation) — try reading a real source before you embarrass yourself further.

5️⃣ Next time, bring an actual contradiction — not your lazy cherry-pick.
Your entire line of attack is just noise. The verse proves exactly what I said: The disciples asked Isa, Isa prayed, Allah answered Isa, and Isa conveyed it to them. That’s consistent, logical, and unchanged.

👉🏼 Bottom line: You don’t ‘scrutinize’ Islam — you twist verses hoping no one reads context. But Alhamdulillah, the Qur’an crushes liars and exposes falsehood. If you’re too arrogant to accept clarity, that’s your problem — not ours. May Allah guide you or humiliate your ignorance if you persist in mocking what you neither understand nor respect.

CreativeOrbit:
Your reply only exposes your stubborn ignorance and your desperate attempt to twist a clear verse you obviously don’t understand — or pretend not to. So let me drag you back to reality, step by step:

1️⃣ Reading comprehension 101:
When Allah says in Qur’an 5:115 “I will send it down to you…” — who is ‘you’? Go read 5:112-114 properly: The disciples asked Prophet Isa (Jesus) عليه السلام to pray to Allah to send down a table spread with food. So Isa عليه السلام prayed to Allah on their behalf — and Allah responded through Isa, because Isa was their Prophet and Messenger. Allah did not sit and have a tea party directly with the disciples — He answered Isa’s supplication (du’a). That’s exactly how divine communication works: through revelation to the Prophet — not casual chit-chat with followers.

2️⃣ You expose your ignorance of your own Bible’s so-called ‘communication’.
You want to mock the Qur’an’s clear method of revelation, yet your own Bible says God is ‘not the author of confusion’ — while your entire theology is a contradiction of man-gods, literal sons, and ambiguous ‘Trinity’ puzzles you can’t explain without mental gymnastics.

3️⃣ This verse is a warning — not casual dialogue.
Allah’s statement in 5:115 is a divine decree of consequence for disbelief after a miracle — not a chit-chat. Who conveyed this to the disciples? Isa عليه السلام did — as their Prophet. No Muslim scholar, no Arabic grammar, no tafsir says Allah sat and spoke to them directly like a neighbor. Stop lying.

4️⃣ Your real struggle is projecting your Bible’s contradictions onto the Qur’an.
Unlike your Greek manuscripts with anonymous authors, fabricated conversations, and scribal forgeries, the Qur’an is preserved, clear, and consistent in its mode of revelation: Allah speaks to His prophets, who then convey the message. It’s called wahy (revelation) — try reading a real source before you embarrass yourself further.

5️⃣ Next time, bring an actual contradiction — not your lazy cherry-pick.
Your entire line of attack is just noise. The verse proves exactly what I said: The disciples asked Isa, Isa prayed, Allah answered Isa, and Isa conveyed it to them. That’s consistent, logical, and unchanged.

👉🏼 Bottom line: You don’t ‘scrutinize’ Islam — you twist verses hoping no one reads context. But Alhamdulillah, the Qur’an crushes liars and exposes falsehood. If you’re too arrogant to accept clarity, that’s your problem — not ours. May Allah guide you or humiliate your ignorance if you persist in mocking what you neither understand nor respect.

Muslims will always struggle against the truth as darkness and falsehood is their friend: this is even an understatement !

Another evidence that Muslims do NOT believe in Allah's Words!

Qur'an 5:115
Allah said, "Indeed, I will send it down to you, but whoever disbelieves afterwards from among you —then indeed I will punish him with a punishment by which I have not punished anyone among the worlds."

1. Is it untrue that the disciples made a request and Allah says
Indeed, I will send it down to you

2. Is it untrue that Allah was speaking to the disciples when he said:
whoever disbelieves afterwards from among you—then indeed I will punish him with a punishment
Or do you think Allah was referring also to ISA about punishing him if he disbelieves?

3. When Allah says that I will punish him
a. Who is the HIM in question here?
b. Is the HIM different from the YOU in this text?


Sorry, If you care for the TRUTH, you will be silent as you ponder on the implications of the verse.

Let me help you rewrite the Qur'an maybe it will smell nice to you


Qur'an 5:115
Allah said, "Indeed, I will send it down to you you ISA and your Disciples , but whoever disbelieves afterwards from among you YOUR DISCIPLES —then indeed I will punish him with a punishment by which I have not punished anyone among the worlds."

Mr CreativeOrbit,
The above is exactly how you WISHED Allah spoke isn't it?

You wish to Change the word YOU to the word YOUR as if Allah doesn't know how to speak better.

TenQ:
Let me help you rewrite the Qur'an maybe it will smell nice to you


Qur'an 5:115
Allah said, "Indeed, I will send it down to you you ISA and your Disciples , but whoever disbelieves afterwards from among you YOUR DISCIPLES —then indeed I will punish him with a punishment by which I have not punished anyone among the worlds."

Mr CreativeOrbit,
The above is exactly how you WISHED Allah spoke isn't it?

You wish to Change the word YOU to the word YOUR as if Allah doesn't know how to speak better.

Your childish attempt to twist the Qur’an’s wording only exposes your desperation — and your arrogant belief that you know Arabic and divine speech better than the One who revealed it. Let’s dismantle your petty rewrite:

1️⃣ Your fake ‘rewrite’ is pathetic.
You think adding ‘your disciples’ magically changes the meaning? It doesn’t — because context rules, not your wishful editing. In Arabic grammar, ‘kum’ (you) is plural — it clearly includes Isa’s disciples because the request originated from them through Isa. The Prophet prays, Allah answers the Prophet, and the message is delivered through the Prophet — that’s how revelation works. You can’t force your church logic of confusion onto clear Qur’anic structure.

2️⃣ Stop acting like you discovered some profound point.
The verse is a divine warning to the followers: ‘Whoever disbelieves after the miracle...’ It does not mean Allah came down and chatted with each disciple at the dinner table. Isa عليه السلام, as the Messenger, conveyed it. That’s basic Islamic creed — understood by every sane reader except someone desperately twisting words to plug holes in their own contradictory beliefs.

3️⃣ Your mockery of Allah’s speech is your downfall.
You have the audacity to talk about rewriting the Qur’an while your own Bible is a stitched mess of missing manuscripts, Greek forgeries, and church edits over centuries — and you still parade it as ‘inspired’. If you’re so confident, try bringing one unaltered gospel chain with direct authorship. You can’t.

4️⃣ Your ignorance of Arabic is showing.
‘You’ (plural) in classical Qur’anic Arabic includes all concerned in the context — the disciples who asked, Isa who prayed, and the condition attached. That’s what makes the Qur’an clear and precise. Unlike your Bible, it doesn’t need endless councils to ‘clarify’ what God ‘really meant’.

5️⃣ Bottom line:
You can mock, twist, and ‘rewrite’ all you want — you still haven’t produced a real contradiction. Your entire attack boils down to ‘I wish the Qur’an said this instead’. Sorry, the Qur’an doesn’t bend to your delusions.

👉🏼 So keep sneering — but know this: every time you distort the truth, you only prove how powerful the Qur’an is at exposing liars. May Allah guide you or shatter your arrogance if you persist in mocking His perfect words.

CreativeOrbit:
Your childish attempt to twist the Qur’an’s wording only exposes your desperation — and your arrogant belief that you know Arabic and divine speech better than the One who revealed it. Let’s dismantle your petty rewrite:

1️⃣ Your fake ‘rewrite’ is pathetic.
You think adding ‘your disciples’ magically changes the meaning? It doesn’t — because context rules, not your wishful editing. In Arabic grammar, ‘kum’ (you) is plural — it clearly includes Isa’s disciples because the request originated from them through Isa. The Prophet prays, Allah answers the Prophet, and the message is delivered through the Prophet — that’s how revelation works. You can’t force your church logic of confusion onto clear Qur’anic structure.

2️⃣ Stop acting like you discovered some profound point.
The verse is a divine warning to the followers: ‘Whoever disbelieves after the miracle...’ It does not mean Allah came down and chatted with each disciple at the dinner table. Isa عليه السلام, as the Messenger, conveyed it. That’s basic Islamic creed — understood by every sane reader except someone desperately twisting words to plug holes in their own contradictory beliefs.

3️⃣ Your mockery of Allah’s speech is your downfall.
You have the audacity to talk about rewriting the Qur’an while your own Bible is a stitched mess of missing manuscripts, Greek forgeries, and church edits over centuries — and you still parade it as ‘inspired’. If you’re so confident, try bringing one unaltered gospel chain with direct authorship. You can’t.

4️⃣ Your ignorance of Arabic is showing.
‘You’ (plural) in classical Qur’anic Arabic includes all concerned in the context — the disciples who asked, Isa who prayed, and the condition attached. That’s what makes the Qur’an clear and precise. Unlike your Bible, it doesn’t need endless councils to ‘clarify’ what God ‘really meant’.

5️⃣ Bottom line:
You can mock, twist, and ‘rewrite’ all you want — you still haven’t produced a real contradiction. Your entire attack boils down to ‘I wish the Qur’an said this instead’. Sorry, the Qur’an doesn’t bend to your delusions.

👉🏼 So keep sneering — but know this: every time you distort the truth, you only prove how powerful the Qur’an is at exposing liars. May Allah guide you or shatter your arrogance if you persist in mocking His perfect words.

Mr TenQ it is you who doesn’t understand abeg. You are reading the text based on your perspective. The statement is straightforward. Jesus’ disciples told him to ask God for table with plenty foods because they want to see miracles since jesus is a miracle worker.

Jesus cautioned them then he helped them to ask God and God said okay o Isa I will perform the magic trick for your disciples’ amusement but miracles is not a magic trick that they should be expecting to see anyhow and if after this miracle any of your disciples turns to disbelief then I will show them pepper.

Simple!

***Sorry for the earlier mixup. I was trying to address the guy that was arguing against the post***

CreativeOrbit:
Your childish attempt to twist the Qur’an’s wording only exposes your desperation — and your arrogant belief that you know Arabic and divine speech better than the One who revealed it. Let’s dismantle your petty rewrite:

1️⃣ Your fake ‘rewrite’ is pathetic.
You think adding ‘your disciples’ magically changes the meaning? It doesn’t — because context rules, not your wishful editing. In Arabic grammar, ‘kum’ (you) is plural — it clearly includes Isa’s disciples because the request originated from them through Isa. The Prophet prays, Allah answers the Prophet, and the message is delivered through the Prophet — that’s how revelation works. You can’t force your church logic of confusion onto clear Qur’anic structure.

2️⃣ Stop acting like you discovered some profound point.
The verse is a divine warning to the followers: ‘Whoever disbelieves after the miracle...’ It does not mean Allah came down and chatted with each disciple at the dinner table. Isa عليه السلام, as the Messenger, conveyed it. That’s basic Islamic creed — understood by every sane reader except someone desperately twisting words to plug holes in their own contradictory beliefs.

3️⃣ Your mockery of Allah’s speech is your downfall.
You have the audacity to talk about rewriting the Qur’an while your own Bible is a stitched mess of missing manuscripts, Greek forgeries, and church edits over centuries — and you still parade it as ‘inspired’. If you’re so confident, try bringing one unaltered gospel chain with direct authorship. You can’t.

4️⃣ Your ignorance of Arabic is showing.
‘You’ (plural) in classical Qur’anic Arabic includes all concerned in the context — the disciples who asked, Isa who prayed, and the condition attached. That’s what makes the Qur’an clear and precise. Unlike your Bible, it doesn’t need endless councils to ‘clarify’ what God ‘really meant’.

5️⃣ Bottom line:
You can mock, twist, and ‘rewrite’ all you want — you still haven’t produced a real contradiction. Your entire attack boils down to ‘I wish the Qur’an said this instead’. Sorry, the Qur’an doesn’t bend to your delusions.

👉🏼 So keep sneering — but know this: every time you distort the truth, you only prove how powerful the Qur’an is at exposing liars. May Allah guide you or shatter your arrogance if you persist in mocking His perfect words.

LOL!
What is the difference between what you are trying to say and what I wrote for you?




Qur'an 5:115
Allah said, "Indeed, I will send it down to you you ISA and your Disciples , but whoever disbelieves afterwards from among you YOUR DISCIPLES —then indeed I will punish him with a punishment by which I have not punished anyone among the worlds."

OR

Qur'an 5:115
Allah said, "Indeed, I will send it down to you, but whoever disbelieves afterwards from among you—then indeed I will punish him with a punishment by which I have not punished anyone among the worlds."

Which one do you truly believe without re-interpretations?

The question remains:
How did Allah speak to the disciples of Jesus?

TenQ:
LOL!
What is the difference between what you are trying to say and what I wrote for you?




Qur'an 5:115
Allah said, "Indeed, I will send it down to you you ISA and your Disciples , but whoever disbelieves afterwards from among you YOUR DISCIPLES —then indeed I will punish him with a punishment by which I have not punished anyone among the worlds."

OR

Qur'an 5:115
Allah said, "Indeed, I will send it down to you, but whoever disbelieves afterwards from among you—then indeed I will punish him with a punishment by which I have not punished anyone among the worlds."

Which one do you truly believe without re-interpretations?

The question remains:
How did Allah speak to the disciples of Jesus?

Your persistent trolling and repetitive questioning are unproductive and reflect poorly on you. What do you hope to achieve with this behavior?

Moving forward, I will not engage with redundant or disrespectful inquiries. Please refrain from such conduct if you expect further responses.

Simple question you can't answer, your Quran exposed itself

CreativeOrbit:
Your persistent trolling and repetitive questioning are unproductive and reflect poorly on you. What do you hope to achieve with this behavior?

Moving forward, I will not engage with redundant or disrespectful inquiries. Please refrain from such conduct if you expect further responses.

Hu huh hu!

Islam is based on cascades of lies that need many more lies to prop up.

My objective is to show you that your scholars have told you lies AND you need to choose either to believe them or to believe Allah himself.

Of course, you have chosen your scholars over both Allah and his prophet Mohammed : too bad!

tunnyl:
Mr TenQ it is you who doesn’t understand abeg. You are reading the text based on your perspective. The statement is straightforward. Jesus’ disciples told him to ask God for table with plenty foods because they want to see miracles since jesus is a miracle worker.

Jesus cautioned them then he helped them to ask God and God said okay o Isa I will perform the magic trick for your disciples’ amusement but miracles is not a magic trick that they should be expecting to see anyhow and if after this miracle any of your disciples turns to disbelief then I will show them pepper.

Simple!

***Sorry for the earlier mixup. I was trying to address the guy that was arguing against the post***

I hear you o!

I was addressing lies told by Muslim scholars!

They have placed their Scholars as Lords instead of Allah and his prophet LOL!!

TenQ:
Hu huh hu!

Islam is based on cascades of lies that need many more lies to prop up.

My objective is to show you that your scholars have told you lies AND you need to choose either to believe them or to believe Allah himself.

Of course, you have chosen your scholars over both Allah and his prophet Mohammed : too bad!

You have the nerve to call Islam ‘a cascade of lies’ while ignoring that your own Bible is a patchwork of contradictions, forgeries, and anonymous authors you can’t even verify. Let’s break this down so you don’t keep embarrassing yourself:

1️⃣ Your ‘scriptures’ are riddled with proven fabrications.
How can you talk about ‘lies’ when your Bible has books you can’t trace to any eyewitness? Even your own scholars admit parts were added or removed over centuries. Islam’s Qur’an, in contrast, has been memorized word-for-word by millions for 1,400+ years — no council, no pope edits, no Greek scribes forging ‘gospels’ decades after Jesus left.

2️⃣ You talk about ‘believing Allah Himself’ while you worship His creation.
Your doctrine says God became a man, got tortured by His own creation, then pretends that a sinless prophet’s message is a lie? Islam upholds pure monotheism: God is One, Absolute, Eternal — not a human who eats, sleeps, or dies on a cross begging His own ‘Father.’

3️⃣ You accuse Muslims of blind following, yet you’re a textbook example.
You parrot claims about ‘our scholars’ while your priests, popes, and councils have spent centuries debating basic truths — is Jesus God, is he the Son, is he the same as the Father? Three in one yet not three gods? You call that truth? It’s a theological circus — and you have the nerve to mock Islam’s clear Tawhid?

👉🏼 Bottom line:
Don’t project your confusion onto Islam. We follow the final revelation, preserved exactly as Allah revealed it — no middlemen rewriting it centuries later. You should focus on fixing the gaping holes in your Trinity puzzle before spewing lazy insults.

May Allah expose falsehood and guide sincere hearts to the truth — no matter how much you twist it.

CreativeOrbit:
You have the nerve to call Islam ‘a cascade of lies’ while ignoring that your own Bible is a patchwork of contradictions, forgeries, and anonymous authors you can’t even verify. Let’s break this down so you don’t keep embarrassing yourself:

1️⃣ Your ‘scriptures’ are riddled with proven fabrications.
How can you talk about ‘lies’ when your Bible has books you can’t trace to any eyewitness? Even your own scholars admit parts were added or removed over centuries. Islam’s Qur’an, in contrast, has been memorized word-for-word by millions for 1,400+ years — no council, no pope edits, no Greek scribes forging ‘gospels’ decades after Jesus left.

Please find me just one evidence that any Jibril came to Mohammed?
All the evidence to Islam starts and stops with one man Qutham Ibn Abdul-Lah aka Mohammed, the second first in command to Allah!
Are you aware that Jibril never once introduced himself to Mohammed?

If you doubt, show me one example!

CreativeOrbit:
2️⃣ You talk about ‘believing Allah Himself’ while you worship His creation.
Your doctrine says God became a man, got tortured by His own creation, then pretends that a sinless prophet’s message is a lie? Islam upholds pure monotheism: God is One, Absolute, Eternal — not a human who eats, sleeps, or dies on a cross begging His own ‘Father.’

At least you understand that God became Man and not that man became God. This is sufficient for now. Jibril coming to Mary as a perfect man doesn't change the fact that he is an angel!

Satanists have pure monotheism exactly like you : so in what way are you different when all the natures of Iblis as one is the same as your God. Allah is not Omnipresent, not Omnipotent and not Omniscient exactly as Iblis. So, what is the essence of your so-called "pure monotheism"?

CreativeOrbit:
3️⃣ You accuse Muslims of blind following, yet you’re a textbook example.
You parrot claims about ‘our scholars’ while your priests, popes, and councils have spent centuries debating basic truths — is Jesus God, is he the Son, is he the same as the Father? Three in one yet not three gods? You call that truth? It’s a theological circus — and you have the nerve to mock Islam’s clear Tawhid?

No wonder your prophet says you would be the most divided in sects and only one of these 73 sects will enter paradise.
Sunan Ibn Majah (Hadith 3992) and Jami` at-Tirmidhi (Hadith 2641)
Is this another lie of Mohammed?

You speak like someone whose confidence is shredded by TenQ. Too bad!

CreativeOrbit:
👉🏼 Bottom line:
Don’t project your confusion onto Islam. We follow the final revelation, preserved exactly as Allah revealed it — no middlemen rewriting it centuries later. You should focus on fixing the gaping holes in your Trinity puzzle before spewing lazy insults.

May Allah expose falsehood and guide sincere hearts to the truth — no matter how much you twist it.

There are hundreds of religions revelation coming out by the day sir.
Does it matter what revelation you follow as long as it is not from God Himself?

TenQ:
Please find me just one evidence that any Jibril came to Mohammed?
All the evidence to Islam starts and stops with one man Qutham Ibn Abdul-Lah aka Mohammed, the second first in command to Allah!
Are you aware that Jibril never once introduced himself to Mohammed?

If you doubt, show me one example!


At least you understand that God became Man and not that man became God. This is sufficient for now. Jibril coming to Mary as a perfect man doesn't change the fact that he is an angel!

Satanists have pure monotheism exactly like you : so in what way are you different when all the natures of Iblis as one is the same as your God. Allah is not Omnipresent, not Omnipotent and not Omniscient exactly as Iblis. So, what is the essence of your so-called "pure monotheism"?



No wonder your prophet says you would be the most divided in sects and only one of these 73 sects will enter paradise.
Sunan Ibn Majah (Hadith 3992) and Jami` at-Tirmidhi (Hadith 2641)
Is this another lie of Mohammed?

You speak like someone whose confidence is shredded by TenQ. Too bad!


There are hundreds of religions revelation coming out by the day sir.
Does it matter what revelation you follow as long as it is not from God Himself?

Your entire rant only exposes how deep you’ve drowned in contradictions while throwing stones at Islam. Let’s drag your points back into reality:

1️⃣ ‘Show me proof Jibril came to Muhammad ﷺ’?
Your Bible has zero firsthand eyewitnesses for its anonymous ‘Gospels’. At least Islam doesn’t need corrupted scribes or Greek editors rewriting the ‘word of God’. The Qur’an is word-for-word revelation recited by the Prophet ﷺ — memorized by thousands of companions. The evidence is the Qur’an itself: unmatched in language, preserved, unchanged. Your entire scripture can’t say the same.

2️⃣ ‘Jibril never introduced himself’?
You think revelation is a casual coffee meeting? Jibril’s identity is clear in countless authentic hadiths, witnessed by companions — not just claimed in secret caves. Meanwhile, your ‘Holy Spirit’ turns into tongues of fire, a dove, and you still can’t explain if it’s separate from your ‘Father’ or ‘Son’. Spare us the confusion.

3️⃣ Your ‘God became man’ circus.
You admit your god ‘became man’ yet you pretend this makes sense? Your doctrine says an Eternal, All-Powerful Creator became His own creation so He could beg Himself for forgiveness? Meanwhile, He ‘died’ for three days — so who was controlling the universe then? Your entire Trinity puzzle is mental gymnastics that no apostle ever taught. Jesus never preached it. Paul did.

4️⃣ ‘Satanists have pure monotheism’?
Ridiculous. Iblis never claimed divinity. He disobeyed the One True God. Islam’s Tawhid is the absolute declaration that nothing is like Allah — He is Ever-Living, Eternal, Omnipotent, Omniscient, while your god dies on a Roman cross, gets beaten by humans, then cries out ‘My God, my God, why have You forsaken me?’ How pathetic is that for your so-called ‘Almighty’?

5️⃣ ‘73 sects’ hadith?
Yes — and that only proves the truth of the Prophet ﷺ: he predicted exactly what’s happening — divisions and sects. Christianity split into thousands of sects long before Islam’s internal divisions ever appeared. Orthodox? Catholic? Protestant? Mormon? Jehovah’s Witness? Who even wrote your Bible? It’s an open graveyard of contradictions.

6️⃣ ‘Hundreds of revelations’?
And how many of those are preserved, memorized word-for-word, consistent in doctrine, law, and language for over 1,400 years? Zero. Only the Qur’an. Your ever-rewritten Bible is a museum piece of Greek, Latin, and kingly edits.

👉🏼 Bottom line:
You claim to stand on ‘God’s revelation’ but your entire faith is built on shaky manuscripts, forged letters, and centuries of councils voting on which parts to keep. Islam stands on one perfect Book, one final Prophet ﷺ, one unchanging God — not three contradictory persons trapped in philosophical knots.

May Allah expose your lies, protect His truth, and guide sincere hearts — whether you twist it or not.

If I get banned again, bye then







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TenQ:
I hear you o!

I was addressing lies told by Muslim scholars!

They have placed their Scholars as Lords instead of Allah and his prophet LOL!!

Durr. I am the op and it’s you I was referring to. This is a straightforward post that shouldn’t lead to confusion nor arguments.

tunnyl:
Durr. I am the op and it’s you I was referring to. This is a straightforward post that shouldn’t lead to confusion nor arguments.

So, why don't you answer my first question?

Islam and lies is like 5&6

Let me break it down according to the Qur'an
1. The disciples of Jesus are no prophets
2. Allah did not even speak directly to Mohammed
3. The disciples asked Jesus for food from Allah
4. Jesus spoke to Allah about this request
5. Allah spoke directly to the Disciples


Tell me, how did Allah speak to the disciples of Jesus?


This was my question: very specific!

TenQ:
So, why don't you answer my first question?

Islam and lies is like 5&6

Let me break it down according to the Qur'an
1. The disciples of Jesus are no prophets
2. Allah did not even speak directly to Mohammed
3. The disciples asked Jesus for food from Allah
4. Jesus spoke to Allah about this request
5. Allah spoke directly to the Disciples


Tell me, how did Allah speak to the disciples of Jesus?


This was my question: very specific!

Nobody said Allah spoke to Jesus’ disciples. Jesus was the intermediary between Allah and the disciples.

Of course Jesus’ disciples aren’t prophets obviously.

Allah sent his angels to Mohammed to convey his messages. Allah knows best why he does what he does.

And please no long texts. I believe a proper messages should be conveyed in the simplest form. This is not a lecture room

tunnyl:
Nobody said Allah spoke to Jesus’ disciples. Jesus was the intermediary between Allah and the disciples.

Of course Jesus’ disciples aren’t prophets obviously.

Allah sent his angels to Mohammed to convey his messages. Allah knows best why he does what he does.

And please no long texts. I believe a proper messages should be conveyed in the simplest form. This is not a lecture room

Here is exactly what Allah said:
Qur'an 5:115
Allah said, "Indeed, I will send it down to you, but whoever disbelieves afterwards from among you—then indeed I will punish him with a punishment by which I have not punished anyone among the worlds."

Who is the first YOU in the verse?
Who is the Second YOU in the verse?
Who is the HIM in the verse?

The answers will tell us who Allah was speaking to: do you agree with this?



Unless you show otherwise, Allah was speaking to the Disciples of Jesus and Jesus:
How did Allah speak to the disciples of Jesus?

tunnyl:
Nobody said Allah spoke to Jesus’ disciples. Jesus was the intermediary between Allah and the disciples.

Of course Jesus’ disciples aren’t prophets obviously.

Allah sent his angels to Mohammed to convey his messages. Allah knows best why he does what he does.

And please no long texts. I believe a proper messages should be conveyed in the simplest form. This is not a lecture room

PART 2

If Allah was speaking to Jesus for His disciples, this was what Allah would have said!

Qur'an 5:115
Allah said, "Indeed, I will send it down to THEM, but whoever disbelieves afterwards from among THEM—then indeed I will punish him with a punishment by which I have not punished anyone among the worlds."


Do you agree with this?
I want to believe that Allah speaks clearly and is perfect in grammar!


Unless you show otherwise, Allah was indeed speaking DIRECTLY to the Disciples of Jesus and Jesus: BUT they are not prophets
How did Allah speak to the disciples of Jesus when they are not prophets?

TenQ:
PART 2

If Allah was speaking to Jesus for His disciples, this was what Allah would have said!

Qur'an 5:115
Allah said, "Indeed, I will send it down to THEM, but whoever disbelieves afterwards from among THEM—then indeed I will punish him with a punishment by which I have not punished anyone among the worlds."


Do you agree with this?
I want to believe that Allah speaks clearly and is perfect in grammar!


Unless you show otherwise, Allah was indeed speaking DIRECTLY to the Disciples of Jesus and Jesus: BUT they are not prophets
How did Allah speak to the disciples of Jesus when they are not prophets?

Oh! So thats the issue. Yes Allah speaks clearly but Quran is also a book of prayers. It is not a story book. The reason Allah spoke that way is best known to him maybe there’s a prayer there.

But if it is the case like you said it would have been written in the Quran that “and Allah said to Jesus and his disciples…..” if one were to go by your logic so you are wrong.

tunnyl:
Oh! So thats the issue. Yes Allah speaks clearly but Quran is also a book of prayers. It is not a story book. The reason Allah spoke that way is best known to him maybe there’s a prayer there.

But if it is the case like you said it would have been written in the Quran that “and Allah said to Jesus and his disciples…..” if one were to go by your logic so you are wrong.

I am sure you know that this isn't prayers: it is a report of what actually happened with Jesus and His Disciples as narrated by Allah himself.

1. Are you trying to explain away EXACTLY what Allah said for something you want him to have said!?
2. Is Allah not better in speech that anyone in existence: if he is, why can't we trust that Allah mean exactly what he said?

If we go EXACTLY with what Allah said,


Let me break it down according to the Qur'an
1. The disciples of Jesus are no prophets
2. Allah did not even speak directly to Mohammed
3. The disciples asked Jesus for food from Allah
4. Jesus spoke to Allah about this request
5. Allah spoke directly to the Disciples





I want to believe that Allah speaks clearly and is perfect in grammar! I hope that I am correct with this assumption!


Unless you show otherwise, Allah was indeed speaking DIRECTLY to the Disciples of Jesus and Jesus: BUT they are not prophets
So, my Question:
How did Allah speak to the disciples of Jesus when they are not prophets?