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FreeIgboho:
Well, God knows everything. - knows us before we were born, knows us at the end of our yet-to-be-lived life, and knows everything in-between.
I mean repentance like the robber at crucifixion.

Honestly I don't have an answer to this. Just like asking what will happen if Satan repent. I don't really know.

FreeIgboho:
What don't you understand? He's asking you to justify Yaweh

This is not my strong suit. I tap out 🙌

tctrills:
Honestly I don't have an answer to this. Just like asking what will happen if Satan repent. I don't really know.

satan is not qualified to repent. Up till today, no remorse. Also coupists can never be forgiven

Ruke1990:
satan is not qualified to repent.

I can agree with you but what is the qualification for repentance?

Dtruthspeaker:
We all know what freewill is The problem is people think that freewill means that they must be free to exercise their will all the time and in all things.

Also they confuse free will with doability. A person can freely will to fly like a bird but he finds he cannot do it. Nevertheless, he has exercised his freewill.

Question is, just as example, how come a seer sees you standing up in a room in two days. You go into the room in two days and agonize whether to sit or stand but always end up standing??

Dtruthspeaker:
Of course.

We all predict that Korra Obidi, Tacha, Tuface must cheat on their spouses but it is still upto him to confirm whether we shall be right.

So how come all the words of the prophets must be fulfilled when a different choice by any random person using his freewill can lead totally different results. Example, you prophesy the Messiah being born in a manger but at the last minute the manager uses his free will to decide he'd give them room at the inn.

Maximus692:
Ọmọ you are just deceiving yourself!

Nobody knows anything about Jesus and his disciples until we listen to the message brought {Romans 10:13-15} and it's by listening and REASONING we accepted whatever we believe today! Act 19:8

We CALCULATED what we heard and put the fragments together before coming to a conclusion.

The two thieves killed beside Jesus were opportuned to use their brains, one thought of escaping the torture and death while the other focused on what the scriptures said about the Christ {Isaiah 53:12} that's why he concluded that Jesus is truly the Christ and started begging him for mercy even though both of them are dying on the torture stake! Luke 23:40-42

Jesus expected people who heard about him to use their heads to calculate and come to the right conclusion! Matthew 16:20

You know full well that's not what I meant. What I mean is reasoning things you're too limited to comprehend - like how God can be in heaven and in earth at same time or how Jesus can be God if he prays. We know Jesus is God Son of God because of what was said about him, what he said about himself, and how he's worshipped and those worshipping him are blessed. Or do you think God the Father is powerless or doesn't know he's being worshipped??

Maximus692:
If there's no works attached Jesus won't say:

“Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the ONE DOING the will of my Father who is in the heavens will" Matthew 7:21 compare to James 2:18-26

The highlighted in blue shows you don't understand what you are saying!

I said "mainly".
And where does it say doing the will is not destined? God already knows whether you will do the will or not. Also the will is to BELIEVE. That's 99% of it.

Maximus692:
Jesus is not God incarnate rather he was given orders on what to do that's why he said:

“Why do you call me good? Nobody is good except one, God" Luke 18:19

His thoughts, words and actions were like SCRIPTED as given to him by his SUPERIOR whom he doesn't want to displease! John 5:30

I told you Jesus in his prehuman existence wasn't such a gentleman he acted just as his father taught him in his real self none of those rubbish they did to him could have gone without those people paying dearly for their errors but because he was given a role to play that's why he told that man:

"I'm not good o, it's my father's attributes you are seeing in me not my very self" Luke 18:19

This is a typical example of what I keep saying about cherrypicking the Bible. Jesus was constantly trying to prevent them from killing him before the appointed time. These are all part of that.

Here's John 10

33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’[d]? 35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside— 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? 37 Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. 38 But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.” 39 Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp.

Maximus692:
because those whom he gave his first recognition he also foreordained to be patterned after the image of his Son, so that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. Moreover, those whom he foreordained are the ones he also called; and those whom he called are the ones he also declared to be righteous. Finally those whom he declared righteous are the ones he also glorified. Romans 8:29-30

God purposed that salvation will reach all other nations of the earth by means of the Jews! Zechariah 8:23 compare to John 4:22

That's what Paul meant in his letter not that God predestined anyone in person apart from Jesus all those who embraced Christianity did so by freewill {Matthew 19:27} when other Jews turned back after getting annoyed over Jesus' teachings! John 6:66

So it wasn't automatic otherwise that would have mean God is partial! Act 10:34-35

So what do you call the 144000 guaranteed to be saved in Rev 7?

Maximus692:
Ọmọ God never claimed He knows everything o that's what Satan wants you to think so you can blame God and justify for your disobedience.

What God knows perfectly is His own purpose which nothing can change {Isaiah 55:11} but as for what each person will do regarding His purposes that He leaves to your own freewill.

See what God said about Abraham:


“Do not lay a hand on the boy,” he said. “Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son.”
Genesis 22:12 NIV‬

If God predestined Abraham to do that then what's extraordinary in what the man did?

So you really don't believe God knew what Abraham would do??!! Wow!!
Even a common psychic would tell you "I see God giving Abraham a ram so he won't kill his son"

Maximus692:
You keep jumping from pillar to post just because you don't want to admit you goofed.

Well congrats to you and your fellow worshipers of I AM as you guys can't reach a reasonable conclusion on this at least your I AM god loves such confusion among it's worshipers!

You are also an I AM worshiper. Except that in your case you convoluted "I AM" (YHWH) into "Jehovah", a mistake made by some ignorant folks in Mediaval times, that you have perpetuated till today!

MaxInDHouse:
Judas miscalculated he wasn't evil!

Throughout his discipleship he wasn't focused on what Jesus promised them collectively {Mark 10:29-30} Judas was determined to be rich seeing that he had such chances as a close confidant of the Christ. 1Timothy 6:8-10
Note what Jews believe about being a close associate of the Christ each of them is nursing the thought to be Christ's coruler {Act 1:6} so Judas was more engulfed in what he could become as one of Christ's corulers than whatever Jesus is teaching them {Matthew 7:24-27} but after three years of following Jesus up and down without achieving anything materially speaking Judah decided to make it big after all the Pharisees wanted to get Jesus at all cost so he could strike a deal with them thinking Jesus will still disappear just as he's been doing before then! Luke 4:30; John 8:59; 10:39
He strongly believe Jesus will forgive him after all that's what he taught them {Luke 17:4} but he was devastated when Jesus refused to escape this time!
And finally realized he has played the role of the one who will betray the Christ! Psalms 49:10
So don't think Judas was evil no evil one will kill himself due to remorse after making such huge money! Matthew 27:3-5

But Jesus said he was evil, even the devil himself, and you can't know better than Jesus.

John 6:70
“Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

John 17:12:
Jesus, in his prayer to the Father, mentions Judas, saying, "While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

FreeIgboho:
But Jesus said he was evil, even the devil himself, and you can't know better than Jesus.
John 6:70
“Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
John 17:12:
Jesus, in his prayer to the Father, mentions Judas, saying, "While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

Jesus never said Judas is evil o!

Rather Jesus called Judas a devil which means Satan has gotten hold of the man just as Satan did to Peter! Matthew 16:23

Does that mean Peter is evil?

FreeIgboho:
You know full well that's not what I meant. What I mean is reasoning things you're too limited to comprehend - like how God can be in heaven and in earth at same time or how Jesus can be God if he prays. We know Jesus is God Son of God because of what was said about him, what he said about himself, and how he's worshipped and those worshipping him are blessed. Or do you think God the Father is powerless or doesn't know he's being worshipped??

The highlighted you fabricated yourself the Bible never said such things!

FreeIgboho:
I said "mainly".
And where does it say doing the will is not destined? God already knows whether you will do the will or not. Also the will is to BELIEVE. That's 99% of it.

You just love deceiving yourself!

FreeIgboho:
Jesus was constantly trying to prevent them from killing him before the appointed time.

So you mean Jesus lied so that you are the one saying the truth now shey?

FreeIgboho:
So what do you call the 144000 guaranteed to be saved in Rev 7?

They were supposed to rule with Christ as his corulers in Jerusalem {Isaiah 9:6-7} but Jerusalem was profaned by Jews {Matthew 23:37-38} that's why the invitation was blown open for others nationalities {Matthew 22:3-14} and the central unit of control of God's Kingdom was taken to another destination! John 14:1-3

FreeIgboho:
So you really don't believe God knew what Abraham would do??!! Wow!!
Even a common psychic would tell you "I see God giving Abraham a ram so he won't kill his son"

You just love deceiving yourself when the scriptures is totally against what you are saying!

FreeIgboho:
You are also an I AM worshiper. Except that in your case you convoluted "I AM" (YHWH) into "Jehovah", a mistake made by some ignorant folks in Mediaval times, that you have perpetuated till today!

God forbid that i worship your hopeless I AM our own God is JEHOVAH that's why we are ONE in thought with Jesus and his father! John 17:22

Ruke1990:
Your argument makes no sense

Do you believe you had no choice in choosing the university you attended but you were pre-programmed to go to such school before you were born regardless of whether you choose to study hard and prepare for the entrance exam or not.

You believe you could have gotten that University admission regardless of whether you prepared for the exams or not. Or you believe you could have graduated with a 2.2 or 2.1 even if you didn't read for exams and if you didn't attend classes as long as that was your predestination?

You believe you will have still have your biological kids from a woman who has no womb even if you decided to marry a woman whose womb has been removed as long as you were predestined to have kids

You believe your children will still graduate from primary school, secondary school and university even if no one chooses to fund their education as long as it was programmed into them that they will have a university education

No matter what nature has conditioned you into, you can still change your fate by virtue of your life choices and daily decisions. If not people could just wake up one day to discover they are now governors without 'choosing' to contest election, without campaign and without buying party form as long as they were destined to be a state governor in Nigeria

You are predestined to have kids. But if 'you decide' not to f.uck woman and decide not to donate sperm or have IVF, you will never have kids. It's as simple as that

Can't you see that none of these precludes predestination? I'm sure Judas also agonized over the decision. Can't you see that prophecy won't be possible with free will, yet all prophesies must be fulfilled as Jesus always said. Any random person using his will can produce a completely different outcome.

Example, you prophesy the Messiah being born in a manger but at the last minute the manager uses his free will to decide he'd give them room at the inn.

Same way; a seer sees you standing up in a room in two days. You go into the room in two days and agonize whether to sit or stand but always end up standing - yet it seems like your decision!

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus never said Judas is evil o!

Rather Jesus called Judas a devil which means Satan has gotten hold of the man just as Satan did to Peter! Matthew 16:23

Does that mean Peter is evil?

You don't cherrypick the Bible and you don't read verses in isolation!
Combine all that with Jeremiah 1:5
"Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee"
And
Ephesians 1:4, "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world"

So before choosing him, Jesus knew Judas was evil. God/Jesus knew us before our mothers gave birth to us, even before the world began!

tctrills:
I don't have the answer to that. But as I said, life began before our birth. I don't know what he did that made him evil.

Good answer. Some people will never admit they don't know!

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted you fabricated yourself the Bible never said such things!

Ok, you don't believe God is everywhere. He is confined to heaven like a man. Do you also believe he only can listen to one prayer at a time like a man?

tctrills:
Honestly I don't have an answer to this. Just like asking what will happen if Satan repent. I don't really know.

Very Good answer. Some people know everything

Everyday247:
This is not my strong suit. I tap out 🙌

Honest man. There are people that'll never admit they don't know

FreeIgboho:
You don't cherrypick the Bible and you don't read verses in isolation!
Combine all that with Jeremiah 1:5
"Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee"
And
Ephesians 1:4, "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world"
So before choosing him, Jesus knew Judas was evil. God/Jesus knew us before our mothers gave birth to us, even before the world began!

God knew Jeremiah will do what?

You just keep complicating issues for yourself!

FreeIgboho:
Ok, you don't believe God is everywhere. He is confined to heaven like a man. Do you also believe he only can listen to one prayer at a time like a man?

You just keep wrapping up many things instead of simply admitting you goofed!

FreeIgboho:
Can't you see that none of these precludes predestination? I'm sure Judas also agonized over the decision. Can't you see that prophecy won't be possible with free will, yet all prophesies must be fulfilled as Jesus always said. Any random person using his will can produce a completely different outcome.

Example, you prophesy the Messiah being born in a manger but at the last minute the manager uses his free will to decide he'd give them room at the inn.

Same way; a seer sees you standing up in a room in two days. You go into the room in two days and agonize whether to sit or stand but always end up standing - yet it seems like your decision!

If your girlfriend tears your university certificate now then you have no right to be mad at her because it was your destiny to have it torn. Not her fault, not her making. I do hope you adopt this attitude in real life when relating with people and never ever get angry or hurt for what wrong they do to you. Afterall, it's not their fault but yours. You are the one who came to life with such destinies

It was your destiny to be cheated on, to be stolen from, to be defrauded. It was never their fault. So you don't ever get to be angry with people or hurl at them for the bad destiny of yours which they had no power over

Bible says, the spirit and the bride says come. Let him that is WILLING come... Does that sound like predestined people should come?

Bible says, whosoever shall call upon the name of the lord shall be saved. Does it take predestination on your part to simply call on the name of God right now?

Ruke1990:
If your girlfriend tears your university certificate now then you have no right to be mad at her because it was your destiny to have it torn.

He's one of your Jesus worshipers!

MaxInDHouse:
So you mean Jesus lied so that you are the one saying the truth now shey?

My good friend use your common sense sometimes.
Don't people call people good all the time?
If I say "You're a good man" do you correct me that only God is good?
There's an obvious reason Jesus said that

FreeIgboho:
My good friend use your common sense sometimes.
Don't people call people good all the time?
If I say "You're a good man" do you correct me that only God is good?
There's an obvious reason Jesus said that

Jesus is their TEACHER i'm not your own teacher so you can say whatever you like!