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lordfalcao:
Vitinha is the DLP at PSG, Enzo is not the DLP. So vitinha should have more passes per game than him.

this common sense is not common to them, the 3 of them, there level of stubborn hatred and support they show each other is unique. It's like 3 blind men leading each other

Enzo5:
this common sense is not common to them, the 3 of them, there level of stubborn hatred and support they show each other is unique. It's like 3 blind men leading each other

We are more than 3, we are majority here who don't rate Enzo or at least know he is holding us back

Ibime:
Stop talking rubbish

Vitinha and Enzo are both CMs so they will be compared on CM stats which are around passes and pressing effectiveness, not AM stats which is for Palmer to qwantar with Ruiz

Caicedo = Neves
Enzo = Vitinha
Palmer = Ruiz

Enzo was the DM for Argentina with McAllister and DePaul doing the shuttle runs. Enzo just had to sit back and sweep up. He does not have the legs to recover from the shuttle runs. He should stay in the position we bought him for, which is the only position he has legs to play, at least he won't be vacating the midfield and not getting back

I don’t know what you are on about. Vitinha plays DM for PSG while Enzo is a CM for Chelsea. Do you think PSG won’t win Real Madrid if Enzo replaced Vitinha?? Of course not.

Instead of tackling structural and tactical issues that plagues us as a team, you will single out one particular player and start hate watching.

it's like we should forget that vintinha couldn't cut it out in epl, wasn't even a star in portugal and then spent 2 seasons in PSG before this season of hype which should be due to joao neves but a jorginho-esque cm should not be compared to enzo fernandez because chelsea as a team were struggling, put enzo in that PSG midfield and see how much more goals dembele and co would score

swiz123:
My eyes bleed whenever I read your analysis. No one in history types nonsense so confidently.

First , Enzo plays CM and makes more riskier passes than Vitinha. He might not be very fast but so is Fabian Ruiz who is also a CM but why is Ruiz’s lack of athleticism not an issue? Let me educate your lack of critical reasoning.

PSG press aggressively and most importantly as a unit. Opposition are forced to go long which makes them turnover possession. One thing about losing the ball while trying to go long is that you can’t press in sync to win the ball. This allows PSG so much time with the ball. Vitinha benefits from this and also complements this by always being available to receive a pass.

Where was his controlling ability when Portugal faced Spain? Think properly for once and let go off agenda. One player can’t be the problem of a team, you always do this God!!!

Enzo was gliding like an Eagle during the World Cup because of Argentina’s effective press. I remember you gave De Paul credit for it. Why not give Neves credit for PSG midfield because his relentless press ensures PSG have possession which Vitinha enjoys.

Not to take anything from vitinha but as DLp, I am sure he enjoys the robustness of fabian Ruiz and the athleticism of j.neves

Enzo5:
like who are you supposed to be to say, "please don't rate enzo alongside vintinha" look at you over hyping an opponents midfielder without shame but nevertheless what nuncinse is ultra press-resistant is he an iron or you are trying to claim he doesn't lose the ball and your noise about 95% pass accuracy are you considering his sideways and backward passes as well.

I bet you that if vitinha played for chelsea you would hate him even worse, all this is because you don't watch him since or before he joined psg. vitinha is lord level to you doesn't mean you come here and say he is incomparable to enzo.

Enzo has been world class even before joining chelsea, then even now playing in a different style from what he has played for much of his career he is still a boss.

When Jorginho will average high passes, people on this thread told us it was mostly sideways passes, even upto the point that popiziano started asking for third man Abi second man assist from Jorginho.

Na that same knocking of pass dem dy use praise vitinha now. Calling him a controller.

swiz123:
I don’t know what you are on about. Vitinha plays DM for PSG while Enzo is a CM for Chelsea. Do you think PSG won’t win Real Madrid if Enzo replaced Vitinha?? Of course not.

Instead of tackling structural and tactical issues that plagues us as a team, you will single out one particular player and start hate watching.

Enzo5:
it's like we should forget that vintinha couldn't cut it out in epl, wasn't even a star in portugal and then spent 2 seasons in PSG before this season of hype which should be due to joao neves but a jorginho-esque cm should not be compared to enzo fernandez because chelsea as a team were struggling, put enzo in that PSG midfield and see how much more goals dembele and co would score

Replacing Vitinha with Enzo in that PSG midfield will limit their quality and make their play impotent. Enzo has his strengths but few of them relate to positional intelligence, vision, and passing abilities— 3 areas where Vitinha excels gargantually.

Enzo5:
like who are you supposed to be to say, "please don't rate enzo alongside vintinha" look at you over hyping an opponents midfielder without shame but nevertheless what nuncinse is ultra press-resistant is he an iron or you are trying to claim he doesn't lose the ball and your noise about 95% pass accuracy are you considering his sideways and backward passes as well.

I bet you that if vitinha played for chelsea you would hate him even worse, all this is because you don't watch him since or before he joined psg. vitinha is lord level to you doesn't mean you come here and say he is incomparable to enzo.

Enzo has been world class even before joining chelsea, then even now playing in a different style from what he has played for much of his career he is still a boss.

The problem you have is that even you don't know exactly what technical/tactical advantages you like about Enzo over Vintinha as a CM. I don't care about AM duties. Just pure CM duties.


I am not going to trade words with you because your feelings are hurt over this Enzo matter.

You expect me to be ashamed to rate a CM with 95% pass rate? See this guy.

Airmark come here. Your beloved sancho and madueke has been sent parking.

What do you have to say?

lordfalcao:
When the new ownership started it, everybody was complaining oo.

Solid 20M+ from Madueke after 3 seasons is a good profit.

I wish him good luck, he will get 15 league assists because he won’t be playing with Jackson as they told us.

That's if he starts. He can't bench Saka and his best option now is to fight Martinelli for LW. If arsenal gets Rodrygo, it reduces his game time more

lordfalcao:
When Jorginho will average high passes, people on this thread told us it was mostly sideways passes, even upto the point that popiziano started asking for third man Abi second man assist from Jorginho.

Na that same knocking of pass dem dy use praise vitinha now. Calling him a controller.

One difference between Vitinha and Jorginho is positional intelligence. Both of them lack physicality but Vitinha’s ball knowledge puts him in the right places to make killer passes that unlocks defenses.

This is in addition to the volumetric number of passes he makes to help his team maintain possession whilst searching for an opening.

Sportsweb:
That's if he starts. He can't bench Saka and his best option now is to fight Martinelli for LW. If arsenal gets Rodrygo, it reduces his game time more

In other words, Arsenal just spent 55m on a bench player.

Tiri gbosa for Arteta

Iamoyindamola Roland17 Unless you guys go far in Europe and EPL plus local cup comps next season, that money will be a complete waste.

Ibime:
Stop talking rubbish

Vitinha and Enzo are both CMs so they will be compared on CM stats which are around passes and pressing effectiveness, not AM stats which is for Palmer to qwantar with Ruiz

Caicedo = Neves
Enzo = Vitinha
Palmer = Ruiz

Enzo was the DM for Argentina with McAllister and DePaul doing the shuttle runs. Enzo just had to sit back and sweep up. He does not have the legs to recover from the shuttle runs. He should stay in the position we bought him for, which is the only position he has legs to play, at least he won't be vacating the midfield and not getting back

but since when did Enrique use an AM in his midfield 3, isn't Ruiz a central midfielder, anyway it's normal to have a pirlo like DM with 2 "shuttles" or box to box beside him. But these are different tactics and different managers, maresca is using Enzo the way he is using him and yet Enzo is doing well but you can't even see that. Maresca: Enzo should keep doing what he is doing, meanwhile enzo is doing EXACTLY 💯 what maresca wants not what you want.

You have to stop forcing you view and perception on others.

It's like when Neymar referred to vitinha has crap, maybe he was comparing him to verrati

Leyqute:
One difference between Vitinha and Jorginho is positional intelligence. Both of them lack physicality but Vitinha’s ball knowledge puts him in the right places to make killer passes that unlocks defenses.

This is in addition to the volumetric number of passes he makes to help his team maintain possession whilst searching for an opening.

vitinha supposed lack of physicality he makes us with his technicality, which is something we saw in kovacic, and he has to have high positional intelligence since he isn't a deep laying playmaker but a central midfielder, barca fans may get angry but he is like a lesser xavi/pedri with his movement

lordfalcao:
Not to take anything from vitinha but as DLp, I am sure he enjoys the robustness of fabian Ruiz and the athleticism of j.neves

💯 but ibime, pro midfield analysis, won't point this out

Leyqute:
Replacing Vitinha with Enzo in that PSG midfield will limit their quality and make their play impotent. Enzo has his strengths but few of them relate to positional intelligence, vision, and passing abilities— 3 areas where Vitinha excels gargantually.

and that's where you are wrong
1. Vision you can't prove that vitinha has better vision than enzo
2. Passing ability, Enzo has better ball progressive passes, chance creation passes, variety of passes-meanin ALL kinds of passes be it crosses, lay offs, lobby, name it, mostly forward passes which is not limited to his position on the pitch
3. you are over hyping vitinha because of one season, calma, you are confusing his high work rate to positional intelligence, he is not toni kroos or xavi, and if enzo is like how you imagine him, he wouldn't have time his run into the box nor positioned himself to create chances for us.

Using words like gargantuan means you have massive evidence to support what you have stated, otherwise you are just blowing hot breeze

nateevs:
The problem you have is that even you don't know exactly what technical/tactical advantages you like about Enzo over Vintinha as a CM. I don't care about AM duties. Just pure CM duties.


I am not going to trade words with you because your feelings are hurt over this Enzo matter.

You expect me to be ashamed to rate a CM with 95% pass rate? See this guy.

when did you become a doctor to care if I am hurt or not, regards of your unneeded analysis of my feelings, you can actually state what a cm is supposed to do and even clarify the type of cm you mean then we can start from there seeing as you are forming knowledgeable but still using a simpletons view of 95% pass rate. If that's what makes a world class midfielder then jorginho tops the list in your books

Leyqute:
Replacing Vitinha with Enzo in that PSG midfield will limit their quality and make their play impotent. Enzo has his strengths but few of them relate to positional intelligence, vision, and passing abilities— 3 areas where Vitinha excels gargantually.

Both Vitinha and Enzo are Central midfielders but right now Vitinha is playing as a DM, DLP, first receiver from their CBs or whatever you wanna call the role. I mean he plays the deepest. Enzo is playing further forward at Chelsea. Enzo won the world cup as one of the best players playing the role that Vintinha is currently playing. I don't see the need to make comparisons as PSG currently have the better midfield combo but say you wanna compare, it should be Caicedo Vs Vintinha, Ruiz Vs Enzo.

Another thing you must factor in is the coach. Enrique is the best coach in the world right now while Maresca is a rookie.

We saw Vintinha Vs Spain and he didn't help them keep possession as Spain had over 61% of the ball and lost on penalties.

Yes Vintinha is currently the better player but Enzo at PSG with Enrique will have at par or better performance than Vintinha at Chelsea with Maresca as coach. If Vintinha was here, people will say he's too small, too weak, not bulky enough etc.

Argentina Vs Portugal will give you another view on this. Like I said, Vintinha is currently the better player but at club level they're playing different roles. It's like comparing Xavi and Lampard. Both were CMs but different roles on the pitch.

Leyqute:
In other words, Arsenal just spent 55m on a bench player.

Tiri gbosa for Arteta

Iamoyinda.mola Ro.land17 Unless you guys go far in Europe and EPL plus local cup comps next season, that money will be a complete waste.

We know right
This guy isn't even better than what we have presently including Ethan

Leyqute:
One difference between Vitinha and Jorginho is positional intelligence. Both of them lack physicality but Vitinha’s ball knowledge puts him in the right places to make killer passes that unlocks defenses.

This is in addition to the volumetric number of passes he makes to help his team maintain possession whilst searching for an opening.

you cannot mention positional intelligence and talk down on Jorginho on it.

Infact it is one of the key qualities Jorginho has

Carry Jorginho put for PSG mildfield, mk you see knocking football sef.

timbros:
If I was petty like you, I would have jumped all over your mentions that your Madueke have been chased away from Stamford Bridge and you should pack your load and follow him to Arsenal.

But then, there are levels to this shyte.

Goodbye Madueke. Welcome Gittens.

We sold Madueke for a decent profit to a top Epl side just like we did for De Bruyne, which shows that he has value. Can any top team in Epl buy your jakujaku Jackson at 52m? There lies your answer, if you you could think well, but no.

lordfalcao:
Carry Jorginho put for PSG mildfield, mk you see knocking football sef.

Jorginho of then ? Yes

Not this current one

Sportsweb:
That's if he starts. He can't bench Saka and his best option now is to fight Martinelli for LW. If arsenal gets Rodrygo, it reduces his game time more

That’s not what Airmark told us when he said Madueke assist depreciated because of Jackson.

He will go and play with gyokeres and register 15 assists.

Sportsweb:
Airmark come here. Your beloved sancho and madueke has been sent parking.

What do you have to say?

If we could mistakenly sell Robben, Salah and Debruyne, no biggie.

Ibime:
Stop talking rubbish

Vitinha and Enzo are both CMs so they will be compared on CM stats which are around passes and pressing effectiveness, not AM stats which is for Palmer to qwantar with Ruiz

Caicedo = Neves
Enzo = Vitinha
Palmer = Ruiz

Enzo was the DM for Argentina with McAllister and DePaul doing the shuttle runs. Enzo just had to sit back and sweep up. He does not have the legs to recover from the shuttle runs. He should stay in the position we bought him for, which is the only position he has legs to play, at least he won't be vacating the midfield and not getting back

Palmer cannot be compared to Fabian Ruiz

No matter how you put it Fabian Ruiz can’t be regarded as an attacking midfielder

lordfalcao:
you cannot mention positional intelligence and talk down on Jorginho on it.

Infact it is one of the key qualities Jorginho has

Well, not in the way Vitinha executes it. He’s more fluid and he takes up attacking positions more often.

andrewbaba44:
Jorginho of then ? Yes

Not this current one

Nobi the same Jorginho of then was highly berated on this thread as a ninny, sideways pass merchant, unrobost and lack of athleticism?

No one berated Jorginho for technicality and positional discipline because na 90/100 he get am.

Leyqute:
Well, not in the way Vitinha executes it. He’s more fluid and he takes up attacking positions more often.

English akaria. I put it to you that Jorginho have a higher positional play than vitinha sef.

Leyqute:
Replacing Vitinha with Enzo in that PSG midfield will limit their quality and make their play impotent. Enzo has his strengths but few of them relate to positional intelligence, vision, and passing abilities— 3 areas where Vitinha excels gargantually.

But Argentina won the World Cup with the same Enzo. I wonder what you think of the serial fraudster Bruno

lordfalcao:
Nobi the same Jorginho of then was highly berated on this thread as a ninny, sideways pass merchant, unrobost and lack of athleticism?

No one berated Jorginho for technicality and positional discipline because na 90/100 he get am.

Jorginho is a proper baller

I think some of the berating here where just agenda sha

Ibime:
We are more than 3, we are majority here who don't rate Enzo or at least know he is holding us back

Between Enzo and jakujaku Jackson who held us back more this season?