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Enzo5:
vitinha supposed lack of physicality he makes us with his technicality, which is something we saw in kovacic, and he has to have high positional intelligence since he isn't a deep laying playmaker but a central midfielder, barca fans may get angry but he is like a lesser xavi/pedri with his movement

I’d even say Kovacic has more physical strength than Vitinha. Enzo is stronger than the two of them tho. But he lacks their tenacity and agility.

iamoyindamola:
We know right
This guy isn't even better than what we have presently including Ethan

Na why e dey surprise me o. My friend is an Arsenal fan and he’s currently lamenting. I understand Norgard and even Kepa. But that Madueke deal? E choke

andrewbaba44:
Jorginho is a proper baller

I think some of the berating here where just agenda sha

na agenda naa 😀😀

I use am fight ibime well well then😀😀😀. But it’s all in the past now, Jorginho don comot.

This thread na if you pick your agenda, you look for who you go form clique with😀

nateevs:
The problem you have is that even you don't know exactly what technical/tactical advantages you like about Enzo over Vintinha as a CM. I don't care about AM duties. Just pure CM duties.


I am not going to trade words with you because your feelings are hurt over this Enzo matter.

You expect me to be ashamed to rate a CM with 95% pass rate? See this guy.

Vitinha plays as a DM please. I even saw him send a pass to Donnarumma from almost the center of the pitch. He is actually similar to Jorginho if we are being honest. He is very good as forming triangles to receive passes which is why Enrique uses him as a DM.

swiz123:
But Argentina won the World Cup with the same Enzo. I wonder what you think of the serial fraudster Bruno

Jamie Carragher also won the UCL with Liverpool. Doesn’t make him an exceptional defender.

Leyqute:
One difference between Vitinha and Jorginho is positional intelligence. Both of them lack physicality but Vitinha’s ball knowledge puts him in the right places to make killer passes that unlocks defenses.

This is in addition to the volumetric number of passes he makes to help his team maintain possession whilst searching for an opening.

Please, insult Jorginho with everything but never compare his biggest strength (Positional awareness and discipline both in defending and build up phases) to any other DM. He is neither fast nor strong but that positional intelligence is what his career was all about.

Leyqute:
Jamie Carragher also won the UCL with Liverpool. Doesn’t make him an exceptional defender.

Jamie carragher own different from enzo nah

At least enzo was the best young player at the World Cup

Leyqute:
Jamie Carragher also won the UCL with Liverpool. Doesn’t make him an exceptional defender.

Nonsense. Not when Enzo’s performance made him the most expensive midfielder in the world.

If we are being honest sef, the person who should have been doing a vitinha is playing every eke market day.

He is still young, so there is hope he might overcome all these injuries.

lordfalcao:
If we are being honest sef, the person who should have been doing a vitinha is playing every eke market day.

He is still young, so there is hope he might overcome all these injuries.

Fact

Leyqute:
I’d even say Kovacic has more physical strength than Vitinha. Enzo is stronger than the two of them tho. But he lacks their tenacity and agility.

that's possible, kovacic came from Italian league and played in Spain before epl.

I don't know how you define tenacity, if you mean energy and work rate, vitinha has that, but those of us who watched finals don't forget how tenacious Enzo was, how agile he is.

I don't have issues with the vitinha hype, he deserves it. It's those hypocrites who undermined jorginho even at his best are overhyping vitinha that doesn't play in epl and may not even survive play in epl week in week out, are typing things like lord-level vintinha should not be compared with enzo fernandez.

If Enzo does well, it's against a small thing, like vitinha has been playing tiny clubs for most of the season, like Aston villa game isn't that far away. Vitinha is surrounded by ball winners, from hakim, ruiz, neves, to mendes and behind him you have maquinho.

Do you think that vitinha with his tenacity and agility will overcome his lack of physicality and be "lord-level" cm in epl

Look at my images, notice enzo's position and here you find those few who claim Enzo isn't press resistant meanwhile vitinha is ultra press resistant

airmark:
We sold Madueke for a decent profit to a top Epl side just like we did for De Bruyne, which shows that he has value. Can any top team in Epl buy your jakujaku Jackson at 52m? There lies your answer, if you you could think well, but no.

. You sold debruyne to Wolfsburg ..

😕😕😕😕😕

Leyqute:
Na why e dey surprise me o. My friend is an Arsenal fan and he’s currently lamenting. I understand Norgard and even Kepa. But that Madueke deal? E choke

Let's give arteta what he wants
The truth is we are forcing CF on him, he doesn't need it as kai is enough that is why he was hellbent on sesko and another reason we are dragging gyokeres

Silentgroper:
. You sold debruyne to Wolfsburg ..

😕😕😕😕😕

I meant the decent profit aspect.

swiz123:
Please, insult Jorginho with everything but never compare his biggest strength (Positional awareness and discipline both in defending and build up phases) to any other DM. He is neither fast nor strong but that positional intelligence is what his career was all about.

Jorginho has been maligned so much on this board that you guys (his fans) jump to defend him at any small thing.

Jorginho’s positioning and movement doesn’t beat Vitinha’s. Period.

Look at PSG’s 3rd goal vs Inter in the UCL final.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FtyJxoOHUCA


Did you see how Vitinha was scanning before and after he recieved the ball in one part of the pitch before carrying it with the outside of his foot for a considerable distance, cutting out almost half of the opposition team, before curling a deceptive run, receiving the back heel from Dembele and assisting Desire Doue?

That line of action required a proper dose of vision, positioning, football intelligence, and passing technicality.

How many times have you seen Jorginho drop shoulder to beat his man? Come back when Jorginho does this at the highest level.

Jorginho is a good player o, but there are things he no dey do.

Enzo5:
that's possible, kovacic came from Italian league and played in Spain before epl.

I don't know how you define tenacity, if you mean energy and work rate, vitinha has that, but those of us who watched finals don't forget how tenacious Enzo was, how agile he is.

I don't have issues with the vitinha hype, he deserves it. It's those hypocrites who undermined jorginho even at his best are overhyping vitinha that doesn't play in epl and may not even survive play in epl week in week out, are typing things like lord-level vintinha should not be compared with enzo fernandez.

If Enzo does well, it's against a small thing, like vitinha has been playing tiny clubs for most of the season, like Aston villa game isn't that far away. Vitinha is surrounded by ball winners, from hakim, ruiz, neves, to mendes and behind him you have maquinho.

Do you think that vitinha with his tenacity and agility will overcome his lack of physicality and be "lord-level" cm in epl

Look at my images, notice enzo's position and here you find those few who claim Enzo isn't press resistant meanwhile vitinha is ultra press resistant

There’s no need for long story. If a player is doing well, you won’t have to defend him this hard every day.

Caicedo is the standout guy in your midfield. Nobody questions him. Palmer is also regarded as a baller. Everyone knows how good he is.

If your work is decent, it will be clear for all to see.

Cap lord don start again

Leyqute:
There’s no need for long story. If a player is doing well, you won’t have to defend him this hard every day.

Caicedo is the standout guy in your midfield. Nobody questions him. Palmer is also regarded as a baller. Everyone knows how good he is.

If your work is decent, it will be clear for all to see.

are you okay, do I defend Enzo every day. do you even understand a drop of what you read, how is that a "hard defense" are you confused or something.

What you see here regularly are those 3 consistently attack enzo even if he is not playing without any justifiable reason. The obviously basis of what I wrote which should not be hard for is, to question there basis to claim enzo is incomparable to vitinha, if you missed that, that's your fault not mine

And if this is your mentality carry it back to your club, I used to see how some of you who know less about football used to deride and insult bruno fernandez, obviously to you anyone saying anything remotely positive would sound like daily dose of hard defense

Ibime:
We are more than 3, we are majority here who don't rate Enzo or at least know he is holding us back

so being more than 3 makes you feel like a majority and the rest of us non existing

You are obviously enforcing a herd man view on things, your goal isn't to objective but to be popular but you have been wrong a number of times. You claimed jorginho was holding chelsea back yet chelsea won UCL and his Italy which you didn't think would win euros won, same way you felt about cucurella and yet spain won with them playing major roles, jorginho didn't even hold arsenal back from top two, he didn't hold Napoli before but you, with your group of sheep, believe that enzo who didn't hold Argentina back from the wold cup that had eluded messi is holding chelsea back.

he is probably also holding chelsea back when he barely played and chelsea finished 6th or when palmer and jackson were out of form and not scoring, he held chelsea back, he didn't ginger his teammate and stole the captain band, he didn't push his team forward no according to the popular accept ibime pro midfield analyst, Enzo Fernandez who is doing everything maresca wants him to, is holding chelsea back.

Baba the classification for your fallacy no dey logic text book

lordfalcao:
When Jorginho will average high passes, people on this thread told us it was mostly sideways passes, even upto the point that popiziano started asking for third man Abi second man assist from Jorginho.

Na that same knocking of pass dem dy use praise vitinha now. Calling him a controller.

there double abi triple standards is being established, I bet for those who were on nairaland during the days of busquets these same clowns who have mocked and ridiculed him, even though busquets had his weaknesses he also deserved his flowers. I don't think I have ever seen Toni kroos press or run aggressively the way some expect of Enzo, but it's okay to praise other clubs players and is a problem to give our own their due flowers. Mehn make that quadriple standards

Enzo5:
that's possible, kovacic came from Italian league and played in Spain before epl.

I don't know how you define tenacity, if you mean energy and work rate, vitinha has that, but those of us who watched finals don't forget how tenacious Enzo was, how agile he is.

I don't have issues with the vitinha hype, he deserves it. It's those hypocrites who undermined jorginho even at his best are overhyping vitinha that doesn't play in epl and may not even survive play in epl week in week out, are typing things like lord-level vintinha should not be compared with enzo fernandez.

If Enzo does well, it's against a small thing, like vitinha has been playing tiny clubs for most of the season, like Aston villa game isn't that far away. Vitinha is surrounded by ball winners, from hakim, ruiz, neves, to mendes and behind him you have maquinho.

Do you think that vitinha with his tenacity and agility will overcome his lack of physicality and be "lord-level" cm in epl

Look at my images, notice enzo's position and here you find those few who claim Enzo isn't press resistant meanwhile vitinha is ultra press resistant

tenacity just means , mafia attitude, never die attitude, persistence

Leyqute:
Jorginho has been maligned so much on this board that you guys (his fans) jump to defend him at any small thing.

Jorginho’s positioning and movement doesn’t beat Vitinha’s. Period.

Look at PSG’s 3rd goal vs Inter in the UCL final.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FtyJxoOHUCA


Did you see how Vitinha was scanning before and after he recieved the ball in one part of the pitch before carrying it with the outside of his foot for a considerable distance, cutting out almost half of the opposition team, before curling a deceptive run, receiving the back heel from Dembele and assisting Desire Doue?

That line of action required a proper dose of vision, positioning, football intelligence, and passing technicality.

How many times have you seen Jorginho drop shoulder to beat his man? Come back when Jorginho does this at the highest level.

Jorginho is a good player o, but there are things he no dey do.

Oga Jorginho does all these things with ease.


Jorginho is top 5 in any DlP you will mention when it comes to positioning awareness, more than this vitinha sef.

andrewbaba44:
Palmer cannot be compared to Fabian Ruiz

No matter how you put it Fabian Ruiz can’t be regarded as an attacking midfielder

But Enzo wants to be regarded as one when compared to Vitinha

andrewbaba44:
Jorginho is a proper baller

I think some of the berating here where just agenda sha

Proper baller wey Partey dey give several seats

Ibime:
Stop talking rubbish

Vitinha and Enzo are both CMs so they will be compared on CM stats which are around passes and pressing effectiveness, not AM stats which is for Palmer to qwantar with Ruiz

Caicedo = Neves
Enzo = Vitinha
Palmer = Ruiz

Enzo was the DM for Argentina with McAllister and DePaul doing the shuttle runs. Enzo just had to sit back and sweep up. He does not have the legs to recover from the shuttle runs. He should stay in the position we bought him for, which is the only position he has legs to play, at least he won't be vacating the midfield and not getting back

Lmao

If anything, Enzo is playing the role Fabián Ruiz is playing.

There's no way on God's earth that you'll be comparing Fabián Ruiz to Cole Palmer.

Just go look Enzo heat map. We play with a midfield duo and an AM where he's expected to track back, win balls, and still crash the box. Fabián can box crash while knowing he has a controller and a little demon tiger behind him.

The ONLY time Enzo has played as a true regista was under Potter in a very dysfunctional squad and people kept pointing out his lack of raw numbers (goals and assists)

Now wey e don dey crash box dey add G/A, key passes and chance creation, them don find another yardstick


It's well shaa. Maybe we will sell him and buy one of your 'propah' midfielders make everybody kúkú rest.

Unlimited22:
Lmao

If anything, Enzo is playing the role Fabián Ruiz is playing.

There's no way on God's earth that you'll be comparing Fabián Ruiz to Cole Palmer.

Just go look Enzo heat map. We play with a midfield duo and an AM where he's expected to track back, win balls, and still crash the box. Fabián can box crash while knowing he has a controller and a little demon tiger behind him.

Enzo had been a failure in CM role for 2 years, it's only the last 6 months he started crashing box

So talk about his 2 years disaster in CM role and not the small crashing box that nobody sent him

You already have a Palmer in front of you, you are still vacating midfield to go drag crashing box after failing as CM for 2 years. Who will have Palmer in AM and still be talking about he's an AM while not doing any CM duty

Nonsense and ingredients

Tell me about his 2 years failure before he started his useless box crashing for poverty numbers (in comparison to a real AM)

There's a reason we hail Caicedo die, that's because EVERYBODY KNOWS he is working for 2, even Enzo stans

Is there any big club in World football that will accept Enzo as their AM? Someone that press will break down on his press every time cos he's so sluggish, and with what goal scoring numbers does he bring to table that is worthy of AM?

Ibime:
Enzo had been a failure in CM role for 2.5 years, it's only the last 6 months he started crashing box

So talk about his 2.5 years disaster in CM role and not the small crashing box that nobody sent him

You already have a Palmer in front of you, you are still vacating midfield to go drag crashing box after failing as CM for 2.5 years. Who will have Palmer in AM and still be talking about he's an AM while not doing any CM duty

Nonsense and ingredients

Tell me about his 2.5 years failure before he started his useless box crashing for poverty numbers (in comparison to a real AM)

There's a reason we hail Caicedo die, that's because EVERYBODY KNOWS he is working for 2, even Enzo stans

Is there any big club in World football that will accept Enzo as their AM? Someone that press will break down on his press every time cos he's so sluggish, and with what numbers does he bring to table that is worthy of AM?

kindly state clearly what Chelsea's CM role is? let's not go under the various managers under maresca?

By the way caicedo is a defensive midfielder is in case you mis propfiled him again.

First state what a cm role is supposed to be before coming out with baseless accusations of your own personal view of failure

Enzo5:
kindly state clearly what Chelsea's CM role is? let's not go under the various managers under maresca?

By the way caicedo is a defensive midfielder is in case you mis propfiled him again.

First state what a cm role is supposed to be before coming out with baseless accusations of your own personal view of failure

First start with telling me what role he played under Pochettino

Was he AM then while stinking out the whole midfield?

Leyqute:
Jorginho has been maligned so much on this board that you guys (his fans) jump to defend him at any small thing.

Jorginho’s positioning and movement doesn’t beat Vitinha’s. Period.

Look at PSG’s 3rd goal vs Inter in the UCL final.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FtyJxoOHUCA


Did you see how Vitinha was scanning before and after he recieved the ball in one part of the pitch before carrying it with the outside of his foot for a considerable distance, cutting out almost half of the opposition team, before curling a deceptive run, receiving the back heel from Dembele and assisting Desire Doue?

That line of action required a proper dose of vision, positioning, football intelligence, and passing technicality.

How many times have you seen Jorginho drop shoulder to beat his man? Come back when Jorginho does this at the highest level.

Jorginho is a good player o, but there are things he no dey do.

Vitinha's greatest attribute is his press-resistance. That's why he splits the defense to receive the pass first from Donnarumma when PSG are about to progress the ball. Truth is, Jorginho was also press-resistant but unlike Vitinha who is doing everything you've said above, Jorginho could only evade the press by passing rightly. In other words, he depended on the movement of the players around him. If nobody made the right outlet, Jorginho will lose the ball.

In Vitinha's case, even without the right movements around him, he'd simply manipulate the ball out of the press. Harry Kane tried severally to press him against Bayern but it was futile. Enzo is alot like Jorginho in needing movements around him to evade the press. But he's showing that Gundogan tendency to arrive into the box at the right times to score, and if he sees an outlet in the attacking third, he doesn't hesitate to make that pass. He's more like Fabregas but with less of Cesc's imagination.

una dey disrespect my boy

Android17:
Vitinha's greatest attribute is his press-resistance. That's why he splits the defense to receive the pass first from Donnarumma when PSG are about to progress the ball. Truth is, Jorginho was also press-resistant but unlike Vitinha who is doing everything you've said above, Jorginho could only evade the press by passing rightly. In other words, he depended on the movement of the players around him. If nobody made the right outlet, Jorginho will lose the ball.

In Vitinha's case, even without the right movements around him, he'd simply manipulate the ball out of the press. Harry Kane tried severally to press him against Bayern but it was futile. Enzo is alot like Jorginho in needing movements around him to evade the press. But he's showing that Gundogan tendency to arrive into the box at the right times to score, and if he sees an outlet in the attacking third, he doesn't hesitate to make that pass. He's more like Fabregas but with less of Cesc's imagination.

100%

Actually the definition of press resistant is turning a man when there are no passing options and Jorginho is 0% at that one