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DeepSight:
Stop this. Jesus himself explained what he meant by this.

John 17:11
"And I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them in your name, which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are one."



John 17:21
"that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me."

John 17:22-23
"The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me."

If the foregoing explanations by Jesus himself of what he meant by "one" and "I am in the father and the father in me" - are not sufficient for you, then no wahala.

Clean. I don't even understand what all these confusion in Christianity means. With all these glaring truths they will still be arguing!

FreeIgboho:
Where does he say that he was lying when he said he and the Father were one and that seeing him was seeing the Father, and that he was actually Angel Michael just pulling your leg, he-he!
Point us to exactly where he said that

As I said, if you cannot see the clarity of his explanation, who am I to explain better. I leave it to you.
After all you are someone who can say that a word does not mean what it means, so I have no hope of getting to you.

MeetDx:
Clean. I don't even understand what all these confusion in Christianity means. With all these glaring truths they will still be arguing!

Its painfully tiresome. The man made it abundantly clear. When he says that he wants us to be one in the same same way he is one with his father.

Does that mean that he wanted Peter to be James or John to be Matthew?

Very obvious he is talking about unity, and not being the same person.

FreeIgboho:
Yet he could foresee Esau in the womb but couldn't foresee grown-up Abram with established patterns. I begged you to spare me infantilism!

The same thing he foresee in the two cases.
Jacob will be loyal.
Abraham will be loyal.
But whether their loyalty will pass the test of time is why God said:

"Now i know" Genesis 22:12

And as for Jacob he struggled with an angel just pleading to receive divine blessing {Genesis 32:26} the same divine blessing Esau despised! Genesis 25:34

So the test is to know whether these loyal friends of God will remain loyal when tested!

DeepSight:
You have no idea how it makes you look each time you go to post quotes of people praising you. It comes across as very insecure, and desperate for validation. It is not a good thing at all. Grow beyond it please.

When you don't have something you talk down on those having it.
I can feel your pain!

Nnamdipapa:
Max, do not descend to the levels of these people, and never let them get to you. I have noticed your interactions on NL for years and I see emotional maturity and the way you carry yourself, I have yet to see in the average Pentecostal Christian.

Sirmwill:
I am not a Jehovah Witness person
I am not even a church person
But
I can tell you ,you are saying a lot of truth but
Most people would not accept
So
Don't bother yourself much with arguments 😇

DoctorAyukebot:
You know your scriptures

Mayflowa:
Wow! See Bible scholars! So impressive!

SeniorMan715:
The way you explain and answer questions, sometimes i wonder if truly you are a human or an angel. You know everything.

IykeSent:
This is a deep and insightful explanation of Hebrews 1:5, showing how Jesus is uniquely God's Son not just another angel. I especially liked the connection to the temple and the idea of spiritual sonship through being “born again.God bless you for this

Questionnaires:
You Are One of The Smartest Christians on Nairaland and in Nigeria At Large.

Tayorshd87:
Awesome input 💯
That's true logically

Kingsempires:
I know you and I don't agree on the same christain doctrine but I grab point in some of your preaching
I learned something on this your comment

Questionnaires:
MAXINDHOUSE is The Only Reasonable Christian That I've Come Across On This Forum That Creates Discourse And Debates Without Trying To Hurt The Emotions of Others No Matter How They Don't Agree With His Philosophy.

CJStarz:
Guy, I just dey reason your talks.
U dey make sense shaaa.
But ur oda brethren wey dey yarn opata here, I go soon reason im matter.
You're trying to prove me wrong in my assertion which I'm beginning to see but that guy is a complete wacko.
Wetin be im name here sef.
Let me check

CJStarz:
Na you wey just convert from Islam be d correct Witness.
Achorlady just dey yarn off point

naturefellow:
Amazing! Thanks for the input. Knowledge added reading it.

Treborblue:
Wow insightful thanks very much

shinaola21:
Perfectly said bro 💯

Sojourner2000:
For real... It's hard answering this when I know for sure that the God we are referring to is just an illusion that most humans chose to accept as a reality.
Anyways I wanted to commend you for the hard facts you have been dropping and how you have been tackling responses. I need people like this in real life. Everyone around me is just dumbed down

DeepSight:
As I said, if you cannot see the clarity of his explanation, who am I to explain better. I leave it to you.
After all you are someone who can say that a word does not mean what it means, so I have no hope of getting to you.

My friend, who do you think you're trying to confuse?? You have decided everything Jesus says is to be strictly construed - no explanation, no addition, no subtraction.
YET you leave something he said that actually makes NO sense and needs explanation, and instead trying to explain something that needs no explanation!

What the heck do you need to to explain in this:

John 14:9
New International Version
Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

DeepSight:
Stop this. Jesus himself explained what he meant by this.

My GOOD friend, the only thing in all this that requires explanation is his saying that only the Father is good because we all know people who are good including Jesus himself, and Jesus cannot lie!

MeetDx:
Clean. I don't even understand what all these confusion in Christianity means. With all these glaring truths they will still be arguing!

Is Jesus good or not? There's something to explain, right?
What is there to explain in this statement:
Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

FreeIgboho:
My friend, who do you think you're trying to confuse?? You have decided everything Jesus says is to be strictly construed - no explanation, no addition, no subtraction.
YET you leave something he said that actually makes NO sense and needs explanation, and instead trying to explain something that needs no explanation!

What the heck do you need to to explain in this:

John 14:9
New International Version
Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

His explanations suffice.
I am now too afraid of you to bother explaining anything too much myself.

DeepSight:
Its painfully tiresome. The man made it abundantly clear. When he says that he wants us to be one in the same same way he is one with his father.

Does that mean that he wanted Peter to be James or John to be Matthew?

Very obvious he is talking about unity, and not being the same person.

You are the one tiring yourself by being dishonest and inconsistent. Stop isolating verses, combine all the places Jesus said he and the Father are one and that once you see one you've seen the other. Did he ever say once you've seen Peter you've seen Jesus or anybody else??

DeepSight:
His explanations suffice.
I am now too afraid of you to bother explaining anything too much myself.

As the saying goes, the guilty are afraid. You ought be afraid being so inconsistent and dishonest, cherrypicking and isolating verses!

FreeIgboho:
My GOOD friend, the only thing in all this that requires explanation is his saying that only the Father is good because we all know people who are good including Jesus himself, and Jesus cannot lie!

Stop saying the highlighted because even Jesus himself will never speak against what his father said!

These are the words of Jesus' father:


All have turned away, all have become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one. ‭Psalms 14:3 NIV‬


This is what Jesus had in mind when he said:


“Why do you call me good? Nobody is good except one, God" Luke 18:19


What you need to ask is God's criteria for quantifying GOOD!

MaxInDHouse:
Stop saying the highlighted because even Jesus himself will never speak against what his father said!

These are the words of Jesus' father:


All have turned away, all have become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one. ‭Psalms 14:3 NIV‬


This is what Jesus had in mind when he said:


“Why do you call me good? Nobody is good except one, God" Luke 18:19


What you need to ask is God's criteria for quantifying GOOD!

DeepSight, you and LordReed, come and see for yourself o. He's now agreeing there are different kinds of "good"! It's no longer one word, one meaning, it's either only the Father is good or Jesus was lying, one size fits all!!

MaxInDHouse:
The same thing he foresee in the two cases.
Jacob will be loyal.
Abraham will be loyal.
But whether their loyalty will pass the test of time is why God said:

"Now i know" Genesis 22:12

And as for Jacob he struggled with an angel just pleading to receive divine blessing {Genesis 32:26} the same divine blessing Esau despised! Genesis 25:34

So the test is to know whether these loyal friends of God will remain loyal when tested!

But he could foresee Esau would be unloyal to the end - from the womb o!

I begged you to spare me infantilism

DeepSight:
Its painfully tiresome. The man made it abundantly clear. When he says that he wants us to be one in the same same way he is one with his father.

Does that mean that he wanted Peter to be James or John to be Matthew?

Very obvious he is talking about unity, and not being the same person.

Ofcourse when they possess the same spirit they will be like him. All children of God.

FreeIgboho:
Is Jesus good or not? There's something to explain, right?
What is there to explain in this statement:
Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

Jesus never admitted he was good!

FreeIgboho:
DeepSight, you and LordReed, come and see for yourself o. He's now agreeing there are different kinds of "good"! It's no longer one word, one meaning, it's either only the Father is good or Jesus was lying, one size fits all!!

They both know you always twist people's comments nah!

Instead of humbly learning what God calls "GOOD" you keep arguing against God's word!

FreeIgboho:
Bit he could foresee Esau would be unloyal to the end - from the womb o!
I begged you to spare me i nfantilism

Whoever is not loyal can't be no matter what happens!

MeetDx:
Jesus never admitted he was good!

Abeg tell am o!

DeepSight:
Its painfully tiresome. The man made it abundantly clear. When he says that he wants us to be one in the same same way he is one with his father.

Does that mean that he wanted Peter to be James or John to be Matthew?

Very obvious he is talking about unity, and not being the same person.

It means synchronicity at some level, not the same Almighty.

DeepSight:
Its painfully tiresome. The man made it abundantly clear. When he says that he wants us to be one in the same same way he is one with his father. Does that mean that he wanted Peter to be James or John to be Matthew? Very obvious he is talking about unity, and not being the same person.

I AM worshipers will roast you for this!

MeetDx:
Jesus never admitted he was good!

You were asked a question. Was Jesus good?

MaxInDHouse:
They both know you always twist people's comments nah!

Instead of humbly learning what God calls "GOOD" you keep arguing against God's word!

So "good" now has different meaning when applied to God. Wow!!
DeepSight and LordReed come o!

MaxInDHouse:
Whoever is not loyal can't be no matter what happens!

Oh ok, if you're loyal at 90 you can still turn unloyal, but if you're unloyal in the womb (clearly not your fault) you cannot learn durring your lifetime and become loyal. Wow!
You, my friend, are a real genius!

FreeIgboho:
You were asked a question. Was Jesus good?

Jesus never admitted he good, and I replied.

MeetDx:
Jesus never admitted he good, and I replied.

You know the definition of good.
WAS JESUS GOOD??!!

FreeIgboho:
You know the definition of good.
WAS JESUS GOOD??!!

Jesus never admitted he was good, and I will keep telling you that. He knows why he admitted he wasn't good! Only God is good, his statement.

MeetDx:
Jesus never admitted he good, and I will keep telling you that. He knows why he admitted he wasn't good! Only God is good, his statement.

Ok, is the devil good?

FreeIgboho:
Ok, is the devil good?

I wasn't talking about the devil here. Why are you trying to change the topic? Jesus was in the flesh and he admitted he wasn't God nor was he good, but only God. Stop clutching at straws.

FreeIgboho:
It's all part of the predestination!
Can't you see? I'm predestined to NOT stay in bed and expect that predestination will take care of everything!
A seer will see you picking up your phone and calling - and that's exactly what you'll end up doing. With free will there'd be no addictions and prophesies will not be possible!

From your response it is clear that you won't ever understand what predestination is and why/how it is different from freewill. And despite all you have seen and experienced you shall perpetually be confused because of the laziness and not taking responsibility and looking to blame others. If it was your freewill to stay in bed, you have done so many times. So this is your just you trying to find excuses for your bad conducts forgetting like the girl who killed the lecturer, you have no excuse.

You did what you will in exercise of your freewill predestination or not or whether one osakwe predicted it or not. It is still all you and all done in your freewill

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I don't understand. I can choose to do what I want to do. Who is stopping me?

Just reason it with your own commonsense. Between where you were born, whom you were born to, circumstances and experiences of your growing up, the type of brain and personality you were given; where then is the space for freewill? Add to that, you don't know where your thoughts come from, and it has been SCIENTIFICALLY proven that your decision is already in your brain before you are consciously aware of having made a decision!

Add to that, you were carefully designed to think 100% that you have free will. If despite everything you still suspect you don't have free will, chances are you don't have free will.

There are also telltale signs as always:
Prophesies and fortelliing the future would NOT be possible with freewill because a decision by a random person will produce a completely different result.
Neither will there be addictions to a large extent!

That's the point - it's all part of the predestination. I'm predestined to get out of the bed in the morning. I'm NOT predestined to stay in bed reasoning predestination will take care of everything!

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