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Re: Paul's Letters,Christianity And The Gospels.... by Goosethetruth(op): 7:33pm On Jul 11, 2025

@Seun,
Good day. I am writing directly and hope this gets to you. There is a need for you to look closely into the running of this forum. Why are people being banned and write ups that took brain work suddenly disappearing?
If an Atheist or Agnostic person can not counter or respond to lies by Christians then the onus is on you to create a Philosophy/free thinkers section where we can post without restriction. So many Atheists/Agnostics have stopped posting because of this . The Christians are as intolerant as the Muslims were when the Religion thread was ONE single section.
I want you to look into this deeply. The Atheists/Agnostic are bold and truthful but it is obvious that the Christians are afraid and scared of the truth. Please look into this.
We need a Philosophy/ Free thinkers section where we can post with freedom without looking over our shoulders in fear of offending fragile sensibilities.

Re: Paul's Letters,Christianity And The Gospels.... by Dantedasz(m): 7:48pm On Jul 11, 2025

Goosethetruth:
@Seun,
Good day. I am writing directly and hope this gets to you. There is a need for you to look closely into the running of this forum. Why are people being banned and write ups that took brain work suddenly disappearing?
If an Atheist or Agnostic person can not counter or respond to lies by Christians then the onus is on you to create a Philosophy/free thinkers section where we can post without restriction. So many Atheists/Agnostics have stopped posting because of this . The Christians are as intolerant as the Muslims were when the Religion thread was ONE single section.
I want you to look into this deeply. The Atheists/Agnostic are bold and truthful but it is obvious that the Christians are afraid and scared of the truth. Please look into this.
We need a Philosophy/ Free thinkers section where we can post with freedom without looking over our shoulders in fear of offending fragile sensibilities.

I warned you earlier.
Ignore these people and continue your thread. They just want to derail your thread and they are succeeding because you have left the point of your thread and you are now addressing the Administator of the Forum.
Just post your postulation and ignore all these people that have no knowledge to offer than to try to bury the truth you are presenting .
I am following your thread.

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Re: Paul's Letters,Christianity And The Gospels.... by Goosethetruth(op): 8:16pm On Jul 11, 2025*

Jesus Christ wrote no single letters or books about his ministry in Aramaic or Hebrew which were his native language. The gospel writers Matthew,Mark,Luke and John were NEVER followers of Jesus during his ministry. They were not witnesses to his ministry. In fact from AD 65-AD99 these so called gospels were ANONYMOUS.
There was no names attached to these four gospels!

I want to shock those of you that don't know that there were in fact more than 100 gospels of the ministry of Jesus floating around after his death.
The truthful fact is that the fathers and elders of the early church decided the four(4) gospels to be included into the Bible. Other gospel stories were branded as heresy and blasphemous and all discovered copies were burned,banned and destroyed.
It was the elders/father's of the early church that decided to attach the names Matthew,Mark,Luke and John to these ANONYMOUSLY written gospels and this happened over 100 years after the death of Jesus. Attachment of the names of perceived apostles or followers of Jesus gave these anonymous gospels written by unknown people gave them religious legitimacy. Simple.
As stated earlier Jesus never wrote anything about his ministry before he died. The earliest doctrines of Jesus are found in the missives of Paul/Saul which Paul/Saul claimed he received from the epiphany he recieved from the cosmic Jesus on the road to Damascus.
It was this epiphany he eulogised in his letters to various tribes that the writers of the so called gospels seized upon added oral traditions, added various embellishments of their own and used to write the gospels which are currently in the Christian Bible.
Please do your independent research and if I am wrong expose me on this thread.

Re: Paul's Letters,Christianity And The Gospels.... by Goosethetruth(op): 8:43pm On Jul 11, 2025

The contradictions in the four gospels stories show that these stories were written to support already formed agendas.
Below is the glaring differences between the four gospels of Matthew,Mark,Luke and John on the resurrection story.

Re: Paul's Letters,Christianity And The Gospels.... by Goosethetruth(op): 8:47pm On Jul 11, 2025*

I will go on to prove that each of the gospel writers who were anonymous took their bearing from Paul's cosmic Jesus and embellished it with oral traditions while copying each other to create the four church fathers/ elders approved gospels.
Here are how the four gospels record Jesus last words on the cross. Gross contradictions.

Re: Paul's Letters,Christianity And The Gospels.... by SIRTee15: 10:24pm On Jul 11, 2025

Goosethetruth:
I will go on to prove that each of the gospel writers who were anonymous took their bearing from Paul's cosmic Jesus and embellished it with oral traditions while copying each other to create the four church fathers/ elders approved gospels.
Here are how the four gospels record Jesus death on the cross.

It seems U are the new atheist/agnostic/anti christian boy on the block running rampant on nairaland with your shallow knowledge.
I have read your writeup and it's so obvious U are very ignorant of the topic U created.

I have debated so many of your likes here in the past. It's the same outcome- they get stuck when confronted with superior argument and then fizzle out. U can't be any different.

Anyway, I'm not here to debate u, doing so will be a waste of time. But I'm happy to educate U and open your eye to the truth of the gospel.

I will present the evidence and I hope U will the honest enough to admit it.

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Re: Paul's Letters,Christianity And The Gospels.... by SIRTee15: 10:30pm On Jul 11, 2025

Goosethetruth:
I will go on to prove that each of the gospel writers who were anonymous took their bearing from Paul's cosmic Jesus and embellished it with oral traditions while copying each other to create the four church fathers/ elders approved gospels.
Here are how the four gospels record Jesus death on the cross.

Now U claim the gospel writers were inspired by the letters of Paul and they embellished it further to create their own narrative.

Now let me ask U a question, DID THE GOSPEL PREDATE PAUL'S LETTERS OR PAUL'S LETTERS PREDATE THE GOSPEL?

WAS THERE ANY GOSPEL EXISTENCE PRIOR TO PAUL'S LETTERS?

Re: Paul's Letters,Christianity And The Gospels.... by CreatedtwoRule: 10:38pm On Jul 11, 2025

Chrysostom-- who must be ibo man from the way the name sounds.

sonmvayina:
They used several sources like the writings of Josephus and ancient tales about Marduk....

I don't think Paul was a real person too. The works attributed to Paul are all works of Apolinius of tyna. It was edited probably by John chysostom.

Re: Paul's Letters,Christianity And The Gospels.... by Steep(m): 6:47am On Jul 12, 2025

Goosethetruth:
Guy, even the four gospels don't agree on the historical Jesus and the story of his ministry. The gospels are contradictions of themselves!The gospel writers copied themselves after embellishing Paul's letters and concept of Jesus plus oral traditions.
Educate yourself and do some research.
Best regards.

There are no contradictions in the gospel just slight deviations here and there, and that is because the purpose of each gospel is different audience.
So because Paul's letter came before the gospel meant the gospel copied from him? What Bush did you come from?

If you had education you should have known that there was already an oral tradition within the Christianity community about the death burial and resurrection long before any book of the new testament was written.

Re: Paul's Letters,Christianity And The Gospels.... by Steep(m): 6:49am On Jul 12, 2025

TheMadame:
I once asked questions on why Paul never once mentions the virgin birth and Jesus parentage but recieved no answers. Rather I was insulted by people on this forum for the question. I did not even know Paul's letters preceeded the gospels of John,Mathew,John and Luke.
Hmmnm.

https://www.nairaland.com/5955499/paul-loud-silence-virgin-birth

That is because the virgin birth of not important in Paul's reason on writing his letters, as the church already knew about it.

Re: Paul's Letters,Christianity And The Gospels.... by sonmvayina(m): 10:33am On Jul 12, 2025

CreatedtwoRule:
Chrysostom-- who must be ibo man from the way the name sounds.

Lol.
He is one of the church fathers. He and later Eusebius where the brain behind much of the forging going on.

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Re: Paul's Letters,Christianity And The Gospels.... by sonmvayina(m): 10:40am On Jul 12, 2025

Steep:
Paul is not a real person? What a dunce! You can as well say Christopher Columbus is not a real person.

Well, I know the truth is hard to swallow sometimes. But it is what it is. Paul is also a creation of the Roman church. It is just an attempt to put the origin of Christianity in Palestine. But scholars know it originated from Egypt as the worship of serapis.
Apolinius of tyna actually existed, but the Paul of the Bible, not so much.
May be you have to rethink the garbage they have fed you for a long time

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Re: Paul's Letters,Christianity And The Gospels.... by Goosethetruth(op): 10:48am On Jul 12, 2025

Facts:

1. The undisputed letters of Paul were written around AD48-AD62.
2. The disputed letters of Paul were written around AD50-AD67.
3. The gospel of Mark was written around AD65-AD70.
4. The gospel of Matthew was written around AD70-AD85.
5. The gospel of Luke was written around AD80-AD90.
6. The gospel of John was written around AD90-AD100

Bear in mind that these four gospels were originally written in Greek and NOT Aramaic. These gospels were also anonymous. There were no names affixed to these books originally. This means that throughout the first century there were NO names on these gospels!

Fact:

Names were attached to these four anonymous texts by the early church leaders and elders to confer an authentication of the content in these anonymous texts.

So who were the persons who attached these four names to these gospels?

1.Papias(~120CE)
2. Irenaeus(~180CE)
These were the church leaders who attached the names to these four anonymous gospels in order to give them credibility and apostolic authority.

The people whose names appear on those gospels are not the people who wrote those books. So if the early leaders of the church could do this what else could they not do?
These are questions you should ask yourself!

Re: Paul's Letters,Christianity And The Gospels.... by SIRTee15: 4:04pm On Jul 12, 2025

Goosethetruth:
Facts:

1. The undisputed letters of Paul were written around AD48-AD62.
2. The disputed letters of Paul were written around AD50-AD67.
3. The gospel of Mark was written around AD65-AD70.
4. The gospel of Matthew was written around AD70-AD85.
5. The gospel of Luke was written around AD80-AD90.
6. The gospel of John was written around AD90-AD100

Bear in mind that these four gospels were originally written in Greek and NOT Aramaic. These gospels were also anonymous. There were no names affixed to these books originally. This means that throughout the first century there were NO names on these gospels!

Fact:

Names were attached to these four anonymous texts by the early church leaders and elders to confer an authentication of the content in these anonymous texts.

So who were the persons who attached these four names to these gospels?

1.Papias(~120CE)
2. Irenaeus(~180CE)
These were the church leaders who attached the names to these four anonymous gospels in order to give them credibility and apostolic authority.

The people whose names appear on those gospels are not the people who wrote those books. So if the early leaders of the church could do this what else could they not do?
These are questions you should ask yourself!

DID THE GOSPEL PREDATE PAUL'S LETTERS OR PAUL'S LETTERS PREDATE THE GOSPEL?

WAS THERE ANY GOSPEL EXISTENCE PRIOR TO PAUL'S LETTERS?

IF U ARE CONFIDENT ENOUGH OF YOUR SO CALLED KNOWLEDGE...ANSWER THE QUESTION

Re: Paul's Letters,Christianity And The Gospels.... by sonmvayina(m): 5:05pm On Jul 12, 2025

SIRTee15:
DID THE GOSPEL PREDATE PAUL'S LETTERS OR PAUL'S LETTERS PREDATE THE GOSPEL?

WAS THERE ANY GOSPEL EXISTENCE PRIOR TO PAUL'S LETTERS?

IF U ARE CONFIDENT ENOUGH OF YOUR SO CALLED KNOWLEDGE...ANSWER THE QUESTION

All the so called authentic Paulina where written before any of the gospels..... according to scholars. The first book of the new testament to be written is 1st Thessalonia....

The gospel came much later.

Re: Paul's Letters,Christianity And The Gospels.... by Goosethetruth(op): 5:23pm On Jul 12, 2025*

SIRTee15:
DID THE GOSPEL PREDATE PAUL'S LETTERS OR PAUL'S LETTERS PREDATE THE GOSPEL?

WAS THERE ANY GOSPEL EXISTENCE PRIOR TO PAUL'S LETTERS?

IF U ARE CONFIDENT ENOUGH OF YOUR SO CALLED KNOWLEDGE...ANSWER THE QUESTION

Guy,
This is the problem with you guys. You don't read. You don't comprehend. Typing with caps locked is not knowledge. It is like shouting during a discourse,trying to brow beat others into your point of view. Everything I have written on this thread are verifiable if you do a little research!
The answers you seek are all over this thread. The answer you seek is in the post you quoted.
I will be forced to ignore you because it is obvious you are trying to derail this thread.

Re: Paul's Letters,Christianity And The Gospels.... by Goosethetruth(op): 5:24pm On Jul 12, 2025

sonmvayina:
All the so called authentic Paulina where written before any of the gospels..... according to scholars. The first book of the new testament to be written is 1st Thessalonia....

The gospel came much later.

Thank you for this. You are very knowledgeable in these matters.

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Re: Paul's Letters,Christianity And The Gospels.... by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:34pm On Jul 12, 2025

Instead of making this guy angry why not leave him with his friends with whom he feels like sharing the same line of thought? If he doesn't believe the Bible there is nothing you can tell him most especially when he feels like convincing you against the book.
So it's better to allow him do his things with his friends! 1Timothy 6:4; Titus 3:9

Re: Paul's Letters,Christianity And The Gospels.... by SIRTee15: 7:50pm On Jul 12, 2025*

sonmvayina:
All the so called authentic Paulina where written before any of the gospels..... according to scholars. The first book of the new testament to be written is 1st Thessalonia....

The gospel came much later.

WHY SPEAKING FOR HIM, LET HIM COME OUT AND DEFEND HIMSELF.

AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, U ARE STUCK WITH ISAIAH 53.
U DON'T BELIEVE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT SO I DONT EVEN KNOW WHY U HERE.

UNTIL YOU TELL ME WHO THE ANCIENT JEWISH RABBIS THINK ISAIAH 53 IS ABOUT....I HAVE EVERY REASON TO BELIEVE U HAVE NO IDEA WHAT U WORSHIP.

That should be your focus.

Re: Paul's Letters,Christianity And The Gospels.... by SIRTee15: 8:00pm On Jul 12, 2025

Goosethetruth:
Guy,
This is the problem with you guys. You don't read. You don't comprehend. Typing with caps locked is not knowledge. It is like shouting during a discourse,trying to brow beat others into your point of view. Everything I have written on this thread are verifiable if you do a little research!
The answers you seek are all over this thread. The answer you seek is in the post you quoted.
I will be forced to ignore you because it is obvious you are trying to derail this thread.

Fellow believers,

This is the exact reason I don't bother debating all these self-acclaimed bible scholars anymore on nairaland.
They are simply a waste of time because they don't answer questions.

Most of them have these delusions that they have become experts in biblical criticism after watching some YouTube videos.

THEY NEVER ANSWER ANY QUESTION THROWN AT THEM, THEY JUST WANT TO ARGUE.

This guy came here and announced the gospel writers copied Paul letters and embellished them to develop the gospel.

NOW I'M ASKING HIM, IS THERE ANYTHING CALLED THE GOSPEL BEFORE THE EXISTENCE OF PAUL'S LETTERS.

DO WE HAVE ANYTHING CALLED THE GOSPEL BEFORE PAUL EVEN WROTE HIS FIRST LETTER.

IT'S A SIMPLE QUESTION, HE SHOULD ANWER IT.

WHICH CAME FIRST, THE GOSPEL OR PAUL'S LETTERS?

Goosethetruth, ANSWER THE QUESTION.

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Re: Paul's Letters,Christianity And The Gospels.... by Goosethetruth(op): 8:27pm On Jul 12, 2025

It is quite amusing how Christians love burying their heads in the sand when confronted by the truth about their religious book.
The answer this guy (typing with caps locked aggressively) seeks, have already been postulated severally on this thread by myself. There is even a graphic image that shows which texts preceeded each other, but apparently comprehension is a problem.
I will only respond to people who seek to advance their knowledge. Simple.
Tomorrow the thread continues for those who desire to advance their knowledge of the origins of the anonymous gospels,Paul's letters and their influence on Christianity.

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Re: Paul's Letters,Christianity And The Gospels.... by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:35pm On Jul 12, 2025

SIRTee15:
Fellow believers,
This is the exact reason I don't bother debating all these self-acclaimed bible scholars anymore on nairaland.
They are simply a waste of time because they don't answer questions. Most of them have these delusions that they have become experts in biblical criticism after watching some YouTube videos.
THEY NEVER ANSWER ANY QUESTION THROWN AT THEM, THEY JUST WANT TO ARGUE.
This guy came here and announced the gospel writers copied Paul letters and embellished them to develop the gospel.

NOW I'M ASKING HIM, IS THERE ANYTHING CALLED THE GOSPEL BEFORE THE EXISTENCE OF PAUL'S LETTERS.
DO WE HAVE ANYTHING CALLED THE GOSPEL BEFORE PAUL EVEN WROTE HIS FIRST LETTER.
IT'S A SIMPLE QUESTION, HE SHOULD ANWER IT.
WHICH CAME FIRST, THE GOSPEL OR PAUL'S LETTERS?
Goosethetruth, ANSWER THE QUESTION.

Some people just feel like advancing their opinion without respecting the opinion of others and the funny thing about them is they are intolerant yet they will continue to accuse anyone who tries to reason with them.
So after engaging him i discovered that he's only seeking to promote his ideas so to him those who aren't dancing to his tune are burying their heads!

Re: Paul's Letters,Christianity And The Gospels.... by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:52pm On Jul 12, 2025

God promised to send another prophet like Moses to the Israelites {Deuteronomy 18:18} and this prophet will teach them the way of holiness {Isaiah 35:8} so whoever refuse to accept his teachings will be cut off from the everlasting blessings God intended for faithful people! Deuteronomy 18:19

God told Moses to tell the Israelites they should inculcate His laws in the minds of their children by living according to this laws {Deuteronomy 6:6-7} so it's not just about a written code but Israelite kids must learn as they observe their parents live by the laws.

But the Israelites failed to keep these covenant so God promised that the new covenant will not be like the first which is a written code rather the mediator will right it in their hearts {Jeremiah 31:33} therefore when Jesus walked the earth he didn't write a single law rather he lived by his own laws so whoever wants to learn about the new covenant only need to read Jesus' thoughts, words and actions that's why Paul could say about Jesus:

“who has come to know the mind of Jehovah, so that he may instruct him?” But we do have the mind of Christ. 1Corinthans 2:16

This means they only heard God's law as written by Moses but nobody could say "this is what the Author had in mind" but in the case of Jesus Christ all those who have observed him can boldly say "we know what is in his mind" how? By reading his thoughts, words and actions.

So if anyone says Jesus didn't write anything such a person haven't studied God's word diligently! Isaiah 1:18

Re: Paul's Letters,Christianity And The Gospels.... by Steep(m): 9:19pm On Jul 12, 2025

Goosethetruth:
It is quite amusing how Christians love burying their heads in the sand when confronted by the truth about their religious book.
The answer this guy (typing with caps locked aggressively) seeks, have already been postulated severally on this thread by myself. There is even a graphic image that shows which texts preceeded each other, but apparently comprehension is a problem.
I will only respond to people who seek to advance their knowledge. Simple.
Tomorrow the thread continues for those who desire to advance their knowledge of the origins of the anonymous gospels,Paul's letters and their influence on Christianity.

You are the one burying your head in the sand: if you even had one. Instead of answering sir tee, you are deflecting.
Simple question before the letters of paul was there anything called gospel?
Simple yes or No would suffice.

Re: Paul's Letters,Christianity And The Gospels.... by SIRTee15: 10:51pm On Jul 12, 2025

MaxInDHouse:
Some people just feel like advancing their opinion without respecting the opinion of others and the funny thing about them is they are intolerant yet they will continue to accuse anyone who tries to reason with them.
So after engaging him i discovered that he's only seeking to promote his ideas so to him those who aren't dancing to his tune are burying their heads!

The issue I have with people like them is they don't want to learn. They have watched some YouTube videos that have brainwashed them to think Christianity is not true. Now they want to propagate that concept.

Ok fine, but listen to counterargument and learn from the evidence they bring. Scrutinize their evidence and see if it's the truth.

But no, they just want to argue blin....dly and foo.....lishly.

Anyway my question is still standing

WHICH CAME FIRST, THE GOSPEL OR PAUL'S LETTERS.

Goosethetruth ANSWER THE QUESTION

Re: Paul's Letters,Christianity And The Gospels.... by SIRTee15: 11:03pm On Jul 12, 2025

Goosethetruth:
It is quite amusing how Christians love burying their heads in the sand when confronted by the truth about their religious book.
The answer this guy (typing with caps locked aggressively) seeks, have already been postulated severally on this thread by myself. There is even a graphic image that shows which texts preceeded each other, but apparently comprehension is a problem.
I will only respond to people who seek to advance their knowledge. Simple.
Tomorrow the thread continues for those who desire to advance their knowledge of the origins of the anonymous gospels,Paul's letters and their influence on Christianity.

Stop deflecting, pull your head out of the sand and answer the simple question.

WAS THERE ANYTHING CALLED THE GOSPEL BEFORE PAUL WROTE HIS LETTERS.

You came here and said the gospel appeared after Paul's letter had been in circulation.

Then it shouldn't be too difficult to answer this simple question.

WHICH CAME FIRST, THE GOSPEL OR PAUL'S LETTERS.

Goosethetruth be honest as your name depicts, answer the question and shame the devil.

Re: Paul's Letters,Christianity And The Gospels.... by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:05am On Jul 13, 2025

SIRTee15:
The issue I have with people like them is they don't want to learn. They have watched some YouTube videos that have brainwashed them to think Christianity is not true. Now they want to propagate that concept.
Ok fine, but listen to counterargument and learn from the evidence they bring. Scrutinize their evidence and see if it's the truth. But no, they just want to argue blin....dly and foo.....lishly. Anyway my question is still standing
WHICH CAME FIRST, THE GOSPEL OR PAUL'S LETTERS.
Goosethetruth ANSWER THE QUESTION

The funny thing is he's intolerant yet he's at the same time aggressive!

Re: Paul's Letters,Christianity And The Gospels.... by Brenbentondiaz: 7:23am On Jul 13, 2025

Goosethetruth:
Interesting. So where does all this leave Christianity because I have seen scholars claiming that Jesus himself never existed. You may like to express your views on this thread please.

OK. Jesus never existed. The Roman persecution of Christians never happened. Some cooked up story was just made available to the public, attributed to the most persecuted race on the planet, and then promoted to the highest status as a religion. Really makes sense, doesn't it?

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Re: Paul's Letters,Christianity And The Gospels.... by Caveatemptor(m): 7:50am On Jul 13, 2025

Goosethetruth:
It is quite amusing how Christians love burying their heads in the sand when confronted by the truth about their religious book.
The answer this guy (typing with caps locked aggressively) seeks, have already been postulated severally on this thread by myself. There is even a graphic image that shows which texts preceeded each other, but apparently comprehension is a problem.
I will only respond to people who seek to advance their knowledge. Simple.
Tomorrow the thread continues for those who desire to advance their knowledge of the origins of the anonymous gospels,Paul's letters and their influence on Christianity.

Very impressive presentation, supported by graphics and hard facts.
You are helping a lot of people to see the light that they don't want them to see.
Keep it up. Ignore trolls.

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