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jmoore:
Identity crisis dey knock engine wey dey for brain.

Anioma is an Igbo word.

I think they should use another name and stop using the word Anioma.

No be only south south. They should be under north north.

Comprehension deficit disorder. Nobody is saying Anioma is not an Igbo word, what the Ukwuanis and Aniomas are saying is that they have never been in the same political unit with the Igbos - never, whether under colonial rule or post colonial governments. They have always been with the south south. First with the south west, and then with the mid west. So removing them from their historical political brothers and lumping them with the igbos is not welcomed.

wirinet:
Comprehension deficit disorder. Nobody is saying Anioma is not an Igbo word, what the Ukwuanis and Aniomas are saying is that they have never been in the same political unit with the Igbos - never, whether under colonial rule or post colonial governments. They have always been with the south south. First with the south west, and then with the mid west. So removing them from their historical political brothers and lumping them with the igbos is not welcomed.

Don't you find this a bit odd? That people who speak Igbo as their language, bear Igbo names, were in a political unit with other tribes they don't even understand what they are saying without English?

gidgiddy:
Don't you find this a bit odd? That people who speak Igbo as their language, bear Igbo names, were in a political unit with other tribes they don't even understand what they are saying without English?

These people had never and I repeat NEVER complained of being separated from their Igbo kith and kin, they were proud westerners under Awolowo, they were proud mid-westerners, they proudly shouted "up Bendel" under Bendel State. Till date they are very happy to still be political brothers with other tribes in Delta State and by extension happy to be termed South South along with other niger Delta tribes. That you guys from core Igbo states are desperately trying to force them to abandon over a century of political affiliation and cajole them into yours will certainly be met with resistance. That's why IPOB is not popular in Asaba, Ukwani, Ikwerre, and other non core Igbo speaking people.

Language had never been the main determinant of political units throughout history. There are many German speakers in Switzerland, Austria and even Belgium. That doesn't mean Germany must claim those people.

Kalulu44:
The last time I checked, Scotland and northern Ireland are in the UK which England is among.
Nobody is denying Anioma doesn't have their identity just like the Scottish and co, but where are they from. Which region are they from

Same way Ikas, Ukwanis are in same Nigeria with Igbos. Nigeria constitution recognize states, not regions. Language is a means of communication, it doesn't depict nationality. Chuwas, Katafs in Kaduna as well as Begiri in Bauchi speak Hausa but they are not Hausas. Some languages are more widely spoken so they have a way of dominating and overwhelming smaller languages. Ekpon is an Esan town near Agbor, gradually d Ika language is encroaching and Esan is no longer widely spoken. Does that make them Ikas? No.

wirinet:
These people had never and I repeat NEVER complained of being separated from their Igbo kith and kin, they were proud westerners under Awolowo, they were proud mid-westerners, they proudly shouted "up Bendel" under Bendel State. Till date they are very happy to still be political brothers with other tribes in Delta State and by extension happy to be termed South South along with other niger Delta tribes. That you guys from core Igbo states are desperately trying to force them to abandon over a century of political affiliation and cajole them into yours will certainly be met with resistance. That's why IPOB is not popular in Asaba, Ukwani, Ikwerre, and other non core Igbo speaking people.

Language had never been the main determinant of political units throughout history. There are many German speakers in Switzerland, Austria and even Belgium. That doesn't mean Germany must claim those people.

They did claim Austria and integrate it into Germany during the time of the Nazis though, and in fact Hitler was Austrian.
Political or national lines and boundaries are not as original and authentic as ethnic lines and in truth the "nation" and people known as Germany and Germans extend beyond todays political boundaries of the Federal Republic of Germany, just as the Hausa and Fulani extend all across West Africa and just as the Bantu extend across East Africa.

wirinet:
Comprehension deficit disorder. Nobody is saying Anioma is not an Igbo word, what the Ukwuanis and Aniomas are saying is that they have never been in the same political unit with the Igbos - never, whether under colonial rule or post colonial governments. They have always been with the south south. First with the south west, and then with the mid west. So removing them from their historical political brothers and lumping them with the igbos is not welcomed.

South south?
You are the one displaying babablu here.

When did geopolitical zones came?

Park one side!!

jmoore:
South south?
You are the one displaying babablu here.

When did geopolitical zones came?

Park one side!!

Quarrel with the United nations that first used the term south south. - https://www.un.org/pl/desa/what-%E2%80%98south-south-cooperation%E2%80%99-and-why-does-it-matter

DeepSight:
They did claim Austria and integrate it into Germany during the time of the Nazis though, and in fact Hitler was Austrian.
Political or national lines and boundaries are not as original and authentic as ethnic lines and in truth the "nation" and people known as Germany and Germans extend beyond todays political boundaries of the Federal Republic of Germany, just as the Hausa and Fulani extend all across West Africa and just as the Bantu extend across East Africa.

That's the point I am trying to make to Igbo nationalists. That a people speak Igbo does not necessarily mean they must be tethered to other igbo speaking people in a political unit. Language is not the only consideration for creating geopolitical political units, other considerations such as history, trade, geographical landmarks, cultural affiliations, etc, are equally as important.

I know for a fact thar majority of Anioma people will prefer to remain with the South South than join the south east in a political affiliation. My wife is both from Imo and Anioma (Asaba). She was in asaba last month visiting her maternal family. She experienced the hostility by Asaba people towards core igbos in trying to drag them by force into the south east political issues.

wirinet:
Quarrel with the United nations that first used the term south south. - https://www.un.org/pl/desa/what-%E2%80%98south-south-cooperation%E2%80%99-and-why-does-it-matter

No be only south south, add north north join

wirinet:
That's the point I am trying to make to Igbo nationalists. That a people speak Igbo does not necessarily mean they must be tethered to other igbo speaking people in a political unit. Language is not the only consideration for creating geopolitical political units, other considerations such as history, trade, geographical landmarks, cultural affiliations, etc, are equally as important.

I know for a fact thar majority of Anioma people will prefer to remain with the South South than join the south east in a political affiliation. My wife is both from Imo and Anioma (Asaba). The was in asaba last month visiting her maternal family. She experienced the hostility by Asaba people towards core igbos in trying to drag them by force into the south east political issues.

Wow.

wirinet:
These people had never and I repeat NEVER complained of being separated from their Igbo kith and kin, they were proud westerners under Awolowo, they were proud mid-westerners, they proudly shouted "up Bendel" under Bendel State. Till date they are very happy to still be political brothers with other tribes in Delta State and by extension happy to be termed South South along with other niger Delta tribes. That you guys from core Igbo states are desperately trying to force them to abandon over a century of political affiliation and cajole them into yours will certainly be met with resistance. That's why IPOB is not popular in Asaba, Ukwani, Ikwerre, and other non core Igbo speaking people.

Language had never been the main determinant of political units throughout history. There are many German speakers in Switzerland, Austria and even Belgium. That doesn't mean Germany must claim those people.

Thats the problem with Nigeria, people being put anywhere without their consent. We were all put in a Britain colonial project called "Nigeria", and we have been running with that ever since. Then they created Northern, Eastern Regions, and we were supposed to go with that. Then the military created states and we ran with that. Then sometime in the 90's, they came up with crazy things called South South, South East, South West etc, that is not even recognised by the constitution, and we are supposed to run with that. Imposition after Imposition

But the minute you say that referendum should be held so that the people can have the opportunity to choose what they want, a right they have never been given before, all Hell breaks loose

Nigerians and colonial mentality

Why are Ibos so interested in Anioma?

The Anioma people say they are not interested in the project if it involves joining their state to the SE but you see the Ibos on this thread insulting them .

gidgiddy:
Thats the problem with Nigeria, people being put anywhere without their consent. We were all put in a Britain colonial project called "Nigeria", and we have been running with that ever since. Then they created Northern, Eastern Regions, and we were supposed to go with that. Then the military created states and we ran with that. Then sometime in the 90's, they came up with crazy things called South South, South East, South West etc, that is not even recognised by the constitution, and we are supposed to run with that. Imposition after Imposition

But the minute you say that referendum should be held so that the people can have the opportunity to choose what they want, a right they have never been given before, all Hell breaks loose

Nigerians and colonial mentality

The British created your Eastern region which your transformed to Biafra .

Did the British consult anyone when they lumped coastal communities in the SS with you in the defunct Eastern region


We know the reason why Western Cameroon left Nigeria and they blamed it on you Ibos marginalising every other so-called minority.

We know why Benue and Taraba that were once part of Southern Nigeria opted to join the north rather than be yoked with you in the proposed Eastern Nigeria.

What you are blaming the British for is the same thing you are using to base your sham Biafra

DeepSight:
Wow.

To understand the mentality of Asaba People and by extension Anioma people, read this piece about the history of Asaba from Asaba National Association - https://asabausa.com/about-asaba/

Read the screenshot to understand the mindset of Asaba People in relation to the core igbos.

My wife actually told me that during her stay in Asaba with her cousins, they (the youths) told her thar if the IPOB and the igbos disturb them too much about co-opting them into Biafra or Igbo state, they would blow up the bridge, which is the thing connecting them with Igbo mainland.

DomPerignon:
The British created your Eastern region which your transformed to Biafra .

Did the British consult anyone when they lumped coastal communities in the SS with you in the defunct Eastern region


We know the reason why Western Cameroon left Nigeria and they blamed it on you Ibos marginalising every other so-called minority.

We know why Benue and Taraba that were once part of Southern Nigeria opted to join the north rather than be yoked with you in the proposed Eastern Nigeria.

What you are blaming the British for is the same thing you are using to base your sham Biafra

And that is why it is time to do away with all these colonial creations by giving the Indigenous People of the land the referendum to choose where they want to be, who they want to be, and what they want to be

But the usual 'one Nigerianists' and their colonial mentality will say no

wirinet:
To understand the mentality of Asaba People and by extension Anioma people, read this piece about the history of Asaba from Asaba National Association - https://asabausa.com/about-asaba/

Read the screenshot to understand the mindset of Asaba People in relation to the core igbos.

My wife actually told me that during her stay in Asaba with her cousins, they (the youths) told her thar if the IPOB and the igbos disturb them too much about co-opting them into Biafra or Igbo state, they would blow up the bridge, which is the thing connecting them with Igbo mainland.

Interesting! Thank you.

Your comment is lazy and disrespectful. Think about things a little deeper, be more considerate to the plight of the people speaking.

The indigenous people of the South-South have been the economic lifeblood of this Nation (including Lagos State) for over 50 years and yet the people are marginalized and their concerns disregarded. I don't want to preach this morning but i need you to have better understanding.

Brazilians speak Portugese
Mexicans and most of South America speak Spanish
Americans and Canadians speak English/French
Egyptians speak Arabic
Etc.

Do they these countries deny their heritage because these speak a "Foreign" language?

The yoruba people speaking that way are likely under-educated. I expect a decently educated Yoruba man to know the different distinctions.

Kalulu44:
Me I am not even concern about wether they create the state or not. And wether they want it in SS or SE. My own is why are some people denying a place where they speak almost same language and bear same name.
If you don't like those people and don't want to be associated with them, change your language and name period.
For those Delta north people saying they're not from the East or Igbo. I have lived in Lagos all my life. Here in Lagos, a Yoruba person sees anybody who's not an Hausa as an igbo person.
Calabar, Ibibio, Ijaw, Benin, Urhobo, Ukwuani, and the rest that are not Hausa will commit crime and a Yoruba person will say "efile omo Igbo ni"

chucky101:
Your comment is lazy and disrespectful. Think about things a little deeper, be more considerate to the plight of the people speaking.

The indigenous people of the South-South have been the economic lifeblood of this Nation (including Lagos State) for over 50 years and yet the people are marginalized and their concerns disregarded. I don't want to preach this morning but i need you to have better understanding.

Brazilians speak Portugese
Mexicans and most of South America speak Spanish
Americans and Canadians speak English/French
Egyptians speak Arabic
Etc.

Do they these countries deny their heritage because these speak a "Foreign" language?

The yoruba people speaking that way are likely under-educated. I expect a decently educated Yoruba man to know the different distinctions.

He is just speaking from a position of ignorance and Igbo nationalism. Yoruba People seeing Benin and Urhobo people as Igbo? That's a lie. Both Yoruba and Benin people claim the same progenitor - Oduduwa. Benin Oba gave Lagos its Monarchy. So which Yoruba persons have mistakingly mistook a Bini name for Igbo?

wirinet:
He is just speaking from a position of ignorance and Igbo nationalism. Yoruba People seeing Benin and Urhobo people as Igbo? That's a lie. Both Yoruba and Benin people claim the same progenitor - Oduduwa. Benin Oba gave Lagos its Monarchy. So which Yoruba persons have mistakingly mistook a Bini name for Igbo?

They dont do that. What some tend to do is categorize everyone across the River Niger as Igbo.

DeepSight:
They dont do that. What some tend to do is categorize everyone across the River Niger as Igbo.

Yes you are right, many Yorubas especially those who have never left their villages categorise anyone from across the River Niger as Igbo, but Benin? Yorubas no matter how ignorant would call a Benin person Igbo. Benin has a long shared history the Yorubas.

wirinet:
Yes you are right, many Yorubas especially those who have never left their villages categorise anyone from across the River Niger as Igbo, but Benin? Yorubas no matter how ignorant would call a Benin person Igbo. Benin has a long shared history the Yorubas.

True.

gidgiddy:
And that is why it is time to do away with all these colonial creations by giving the Indigenous People of the land the referendum to choose where they want to be, who they want to be, and what they want to be

But the usual 'one Nigerianists' and their colonial mentality will say no

Start first by accepting the wishes of Ndokwa people who say they don't want to be part of your SE.

After that, instruct your fellow ipob to stop adding SS into your Biafa . Last I checked you guys did not consult anyone from the SS before dragging them into your Biafa

gidgiddy:
And that is why it is time to do away with all these colonial creations by giving the Indigenous People of the land the referendum to choose where they want to be, who they want to be, and what they want to be

But the usual 'one Nigerianists' and their colonial mentality will say no

Read this
https://www.nairaland.com/8473353/how-stopped-ibb-adding-onitsha

jmoore:
No be only south south, add north north join

Read this
https://www.nairaland.com/8473353/how-stopped-ibb-adding-onitsha

PoLItiCoORAclo:
Confused set of people! They should be grateful to Ned Nwoko for this wonderful pragmatic move to give them identity and recognition! Too many voices trigger uncertainties and apprenticeship to mental slavery. This is the only time and chance to bring back the lost identity of the Aniomas'....The umu oma's of the Igbo's race!

Read this
https://www.nairaland.com/8473353/how-stopped-ibb-adding-onitsha

RoyalUc:
This is to say that you know what they want better than them.

You decide who they are for them

Yes. I know what they want and could decide for them.

Kewekubosineh:
Yes. I know what they want and could decide for them.

Have you read this?

https://www.nairaland.com/8473353/how-stopped-ibb-adding-onitsha

gidgiddy:
Don't you find this a bit odd? That people who speak Igbo as their language, bear Igbo names, were in a political unit with other tribes they don't even understand what they are saying without English?

The more reason you have to ask them why they keep rejecting you

Anioma state is something that will never happen because it doesnt benefit the Anioma people but the south east people. Real full blooded Anioma people like me do not want it to come to pass and it will not. Non of Anioma leaders supports Ned Nwoko , neither does reputable kings, Ned is only using money to gather people. AZAGBA of asaba of told him asaba will not be moving to the east, king of Agbor as well. The anioma people hv history with the Edos , igalas, yoruba etc and those thrate cant be ignored. Anioma state will benefit the IPOB and Anioma people hv been fightinh against it from the very beginning. Ned Nwoko cannot force it on us

Konquest:
[b] Nnebisi the founder of Asaba has an ethnic Igala father. The late Dennis Osadebe who with some of his associates coined the name "ANIOMA" from Aniocha, Ndokwa, Ika and Oshimili is an indigene of Asaba and he CLEARLY affirmed the Igala ethnic groups' origin of Asaba in his books. Reverend Father Kinirum Osia himself stated in his interviews that Asaba is the least of ALL communities that can be ascribed to as Ibo because of it's Igala and Edo roots as well despite Nnebusi's mother being from Nteje in the current Anambra State. Nteje itself is one of the many Igala-associated communities in Anambra State with descent from the Igala prince named Eri (who is the son of Achado of Idah in modern Kogi State).

There is nothing Igala about Nteje people, the three communies that make up Nteje are Ezi, Ifite and Ikenga. Only an Igbo community would have such names.Let's assume that Nebisi's father was an Igala man. That in no way makes Asaba ti be Igala. Nebisi led Nteje people to found Asaba, Asaba people are Nteje people, and not the ethnicity of the person who led the group.

Also, when you look at the 5 villages, or communities, that make up Asaba, Umuaji, Umuagu, Umu-Onaje, Umeze and Ugbomanta, all 5 have Igbo names

It is not possible for Igala people to have founded a place, just to give it Igbo names. Asaba people have never denied being Igbo

Igala and Edo people make me laugh. They are the only people who will claim to have founded a place, yet the place will have Igbo name, the people will speak Igbo as their ancestral language

How is this possible?

Liliantalks:
Anioma state is something that will never happen because it doesnt benefit the Anioma people but the south east people. Real full blooded Anioma people like me do not want it to come to pass and it will not. Non of Anioma leaders supports Ned Nwoko , neither does reputable kings, Ned is only using money to gather people. AZAGBA of asaba of told him asaba will not be moving to the east, king of Agbor as well. The anioma people hv history with the Edos , igalas, yoruba etc and those thrate cant be ignored. Anioma state will benefit the IPOB and Anioma people hv been fightinh against it from the very beginning. Ned Nwoko cannot force it on us

How will the creation of Anioma State benefit people in the South-East?

DomPerignon:
Why are Ibos so interested in Anioma?

The Anioma people say they are not interested in the project if it involves joining their state to the SE but you see the Ibos on this thread insulting them .

Why are you interested in Anioma when you are not from the area? At least Igbo interested can be explained due to proximity, similarity in language and tradition

Yet you people that have no common interests with the Anioma area are interested, why?