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SouthSouth1914:
Maybe they were never put ON from
The aircraft’s last flight! This like turning off your fuel switch on generators. But it will start in the next time you put it ON. But will go off after some some seconds because the fuel switch wasn’t turned ON for flow of fuel.

The maintenance crew of that aircraft should be investigated, to get to know the truth. There might be an important person or two in that aircraft who people of interests to other people, there is a conspiracy!

Just my personal opinion.

The FDR shows it moved from ON to OFF, meaning that it was on at the time of takeoff.

A plane is not a generator that can move without the fuel switches turned on so your presumption is incorrect

chigoziri2403:
Not to sound insensitive, but the only survivor has some questions to answer, it sounds fishy how he plotted his escape

There is a difference between insensitivity and stupidity.

If the pilot was suicidal, he wouldn't cut off the engines immediately after take off, he would have done that after the plane had gained considerable height in other to let every one in the plane to perish.

Jeezuzpick:
The issue is serious, o.

How will this kind of error result in so many people getting wiped out?

Let's look at the facts from the above write-up:

1. The plane took off, as normal.
This wouldn't have been possible if the fuel had been cut off at the start. With no fuel supply to the engines, would they have spooled up and delivered the thrust required for takeoff? The answer is NO.

2. The fuel supply was cut off shortly after takeoff
In this case, I watched a pilot explain how this would have been nearly impossible to do by accident, because:

a. There are two switches, one per engine.
b. Each switch must be pulled out before being flipped up or down.

3. In addition to the above, the cockpit voice recorder (CVR) recorded a conversation in which one pilot asked the other, "did you cut off the fuel?" And the other one denied it. Wait o........na ghost off de fuel supply?

4. An attempt was made to restart both engines, with one restarting, but it was too late.

My submission:

The fuel switches must have been flipped by a person who knows exactly what they are, what they do, and how to use them.

Only two people in that cockpit knew how to do that: the pilots.

One of them cut off the supply. Was he in his right mind? Only God can know.

Well.........what do we do with all this information? Keep flying Boeing planes?

I haven't flown in 2 years, but I know I will still fly again. So, should I be concerned?

I saw the article this morning before it moved to Nairaland and the first thing that came to mind was mechanical lock failure. In the article I read, Air India has been in trouble in the past for failing to conduct and file proper safety checks as and when due.

OAKSFIVEFARMS:
See how this guy use him tiger generator solve worldwide mystery from Isalu in Ogun State.

LMFAO 😂😂

1. Such a sensitive button is not something that can be operated by mistake. its not just possible except someone planned a suicide.
2. those buttons according to the report must be pulled out before selection which is another safety measure to avoid mistaken operation.
3. Both Pilots are very experienced according to the report.
4. The buttons are not part of the pre-flight check items since it must be in the ON position for engines to RUN.

in Conclusion and i am sorry to say this..........It seem to be a deliberate act by one of the pilot

This is so sad. May their soul rest in peace. Condoences

That lone survivor was brave to have been able to jump through the emergency exit in this circumstance

SouthSouth1914:
Maybe they were never put ON from
The aircraft’s last flight! This like turning off your fuel switch on generators. But it will start in the next time you put it ON. But will go off after some some seconds because the fuel switch wasn’t turned ON for flow of fuel.

The maintenance crew of that aircraft should be investigated, to get to know the truth. There might be an important person or two in that aircraft who people of interests to other people, there is a conspiracy!

Just my personal opinion.

This as got nothing to do with the flight maintenance crew.. and i do not agree with you, when you mentioned that the planes twin GE engines can run with fuel switch in cut off position .. that's very wrong...

There are pre flight checklist procedures before exiting the boarding gates and push back...

How can you say Twin Engines pushed to full throttle can run without fuel supply?

Do you know how many gallons of fuel, plane can consume to generate enough thrust and lift?

I am sure they ignored all the beeping sound coming from Avionics in the cockpit.

The first officer killed everyone on board period.

SouthSouth1914:
Maybe they were never put ON from
The aircraft’s last flight! This like turning off your fuel switch on generators. But it will start in the next time you put it ON. But will go off after some some seconds because the fuel switch wasn’t turned ON for flow of fuel.

The maintenance crew of that aircraft should be investigated, to get to know the truth. There might be an important person or two in that aircraft who people of interests to other people, there is a conspiracy!

Just my personal opinion.

You might be very correct here but shouldn't there be an indicator that the switch was off or something not right being an airplane? Afterall, we have cars that have sensors that trigger some forms of alarm or signals if anything is not yet activated.

However, I doubt if it has anything to do with the maintenance crew! It's not the job of a mechanic, for instance, to check if your car bonnet is properly closed before you take off. That's the last minute check responsibility of the driver of the car.

Anyways, only God knows what actually happened and I pray that God forgive the departed, heal their families and protect the living.

fitinwell:
This as got nothing to do with the flight maintenance crew.. and i do not agree with you, when you mentioned that the planes twin GE engines can run with fuel switch in cut off position .. that's very wrong...

There are pre flight checklist procedures before exiting the boarding gates and push back...

How can you say Twin Engines pushed to full throttle can run without fuel supply?

Do you know how many gallons of fuel, plane can consume to generate enough thrust and lift?

I am sure they ignored all the beeping sound coming from Avionics in the cockpit.

The first officer killed everyone on board period.

How did the first officer did it? Credible info from black box recovered states otherwise. The plane has barely gained altitude so not possible if he had jeopardized any safety protocols etc.

Ishilove:
The FDR shows it moved from ON to OFF, meaning that it was on at the time of takeoff.

A plane is not a generator that can move without the fuel switches turned on so your presumption is incorrect

Unless those protocols are automated, warning signals could have gone off which I presumed why the first flight officer asked if the fuel switches were turned off.

That being said, turning off switches in these systems doesn’t mean there won’t be fuel in the line or engines! That’s why I made reference to a simple generator.

It is frightening how most people on NL use their thought processes.

yemre:
You might be very correct here but shouldn't there be an indicator that the switch was off or something not right being an airplane? Afterall, we have cars that have sensors that trigger some forms of alarm or signals if anything is not yet activated.

However, I doubt if it has anything to do with the maintenance crew! It's not the job of a mechanic, for instance, to check if your car bonnet is properly closed before you take off. That's the last minute check responsibility of the driver of the car.

Anyways, only God knows what actually happened and I pray that God forgive the departed, heal their families and protect the living.

Unless that particular switch board is automated, it may have signaled the first flight officer, assuming that’s why he asked from the black box records if the fuel switches were turned off!

But this is a clear case of someone or group of people jeopardizing safety flight protocols, and they were not on that plane. A thorough probe should be done!

SouthSouth1914:
Maybe they were never put ON from
The aircraft’s last flight! This like turning off your fuel switch on generators. But it will start in the next time you put it ON. But will go off after some some seconds because the fuel switch wasn’t turned ON for flow of fuel.

The maintenance crew of that aircraft should be investigated, to get to know the truth. There might be an important person or two in that aircraft who people of interests to other people, there is a conspiracy!

Just my personal opinion.

I will have serious doubt that a big engine like that of a plane will start with fuel cut off. Such a system will likely also have an electronic check of settings before start. 2nd pilots always have and go through a checklist of actions which they work through together before starting and taking off

CoronaVirusPro:
An aircraft burns averagely 200 liters per minute. If it the plane warmed up before take up, hit the runway, and went airborne. Then how is their a probability that the fuel supply was switched off?

200 liters / what 🧐😲. That's wrong bro, 200 to 500 liters / hour depending on size of plane

safarifarms:
I will have serious doubt that a big engine like that of a plane will start with fuel cut off. Such a system will likely also have an electronic check of settings before start. 2nd pilots always have and go through a checklist of actions which they work through together before starting and taking off

Like you, I would assume so. But in these circumstances, deductions given the first report, it may have been intentionally or unintentionally put OFF. Jeopardizing both engines in the process, but one of the engines was restarted but wasn’t able to change the plane’s path downward trajectory.

They should check passengers lists and tick all important persons. Start from there, you may get a motive. If you can get a motive, then correlate with the flight investigations!

Emeskhalifa:
You can't make it into FBI, CIA and other investigative agency if you have limited thinking ability bros. Everything is possible, always have this at the back of your mind

i have no word for you..

SouthSouth1914:
Please try and the article again if you can, there are some explanations done by specialists there. Thank you!

In your first post, you compared the working principles of an aircraft engine to that of a generator.

No further comment!

BeginsAtHome:
Try to be funny or you're just being absolutely ignorant of how a plane works

Who plans an escape from a crashing plane

You too have sense.

Don't mind the toddler you quoted.

chibuikejohn:
1. Such a sensitive button is not something that can be operated by mistake. its not just possible except someone planned a suicide.
2. those buttons according to the report must be pulled out before selection which is another safety measure to avoid mistaken operation.
3. Both Pilots are very experienced according to the report.
4. The buttons are not part of the pre-flight check items since it must be in the ON position for engines to RUN.

in Conclusion and i am sorry to say this..........It seem to be a deliberate act by one of the pilot

3 years later they will tell us the truth
ISI planned it

To de escalate for about 3-4years it will be investigation upon investigation but some of us know that the act was done by ISI flight operators

Indian and Pakistan fighter pilots were drawn into the fight and their expertise were used to revenge .... It's only an experienced flight operators that can carry out this level of sabotage.

SouthSouth1914:
Maybe they were never put ON from
The aircraft’s last flight! This like turning off your fuel switch on generators. But it will start in the next time you put it ON. But will go off after some some seconds because the fuel switch wasn’t turned ON for flow of fuel.

The maintenance crew of that aircraft should be investigated, to get to know the truth. There might be an important person or two in that aircraft who people of interests to other people, there is a conspiracy!

Just my personal opinion.

Hmmm...Word. The snake has its hands within...

flexyrule:
Planes that fly internationally usually have their engines on idle for almost an hour before takeoff.

Even the generator won't go past 10 minutes.

Correct. The plane are on "heat" several minutes before take off. It was most likely intentionally turned considering the mechanical nature of the control knobs. With tge extra step of lifting the knobs before turning off, intentional act becomes even more likely.

Indeed it is clearly a deliberate act by one of the pilots, the reason behind this wicked action is what one does not know now as both pilots are dead. Whichever of the pilots that did this can never find peace in death. quote author=chibuikejohn post=136078085]
1. Such a sensitive button is not something that can be operated by mistake. its not just possible except someone planned a suicide.
2. those buttons according to the report must be pulled out before selection which is another safety measure to avoid mistaken operation.
3. Both Pilots are very experienced according to the report.
4. The buttons are not part of the pre-flight check items since it must be in the ON position for engines to RUN.

in Conclusion and i am sorry to say this..........It seem to be a deliberate act by one of the pilot[/quote]

This is so scary. This is most likely an internal sabotage. God help us ooooo

Why are Boeing former execs still walking this earth as free men?

SouthSouth1914:
Maybe they were never put ON from
The aircraft’s last flight! This like turning off your fuel switch on generators. But it will start in the next time you put it ON. But will go off after some some seconds because the fuel switch wasn’t turned ON for flow of fuel.

The maintenance crew of that aircraft should be investigated, to get to know the truth. There might be an important person or two in that aircraft who people of interests to other people, there is a conspiracy!

Just my personal opinion.

They have flown for way too long to forget something like that. There's a reason why Planes don't kick off immediately, you have long minutes to check, check and reconfirm before the plane taxi

Appears to me Boeing is just tryna save face with this report

SouthSouth1914:
Common sense isn’t really common after all. Try to read about fuel engines be it (DPK,AGO or PMS) they all use the same concepts!

My guy, I no insult you o. I was saying that what you said makes sense. I said you solved it Abi. I know some other people were dissing you but I wasn't, I was just aiming for slight jest, after all I don't know your location, whether Isalu whether Onitsha.

Emeskhalifa:
You can't make it into FBI, CIA and other investigative agency if you have limited thinking ability bros. Everything is possible, always have this at the back of your mind

But after this report, nothing links any passenger to the crash. It was more of Pilot error than terrorism

CoronaVirusPro:
An aircraft burns averagely 200 liters per minute. If it the plane warmed up before take up, hit the runway, and went airborne. Then how is their a probability that the fuel supply was switched off?

Isn't it too much for a commercial Aircraft??

SouthSouth1914:
Maybe they were never put ON from
The aircraft’s last flight! This like turning off your fuel switch on generators. But it will start in the next time you put it ON. But will go off after some some seconds because the fuel switch wasn’t turned ON for flow of fuel.

The maintenance crew of that aircraft should be investigated, to get to know the truth. There might be an important person or two in that aircraft who people of interests to other people, there is a conspiracy!

Just my personal opinion.

As much as I would like to agree with your line of reasoning, I find it almost impossible to believe that the Captain and First Officer of the ill-fated Indian flight simply forgot to switch on the fuel pump. This is because there is a mandatory pre-flight procedure that must be performed before takeoff—commonly referred to as the pre-flight checklist or before-start checklist.

Pilots rely on these standardized checklists to ensure that all necessary procedures are completed and that systems are properly configured before flight, as well as during all other critical phases such as takeoff, cruise, descent, and landing. While the specific checklist items may vary slightly depending on the aircraft type, the overall process is an essential and rigorously followed safety protocol.

Given this, I strongly believe that the flight captain would have reviewed and confirmed all necessary systems with the First Officer before departure. A typical exchange in the cockpit might go as follows:

Captain: Battery switches?
First Officer: ON

Captain: Fuel pumps?
First Officer: ON

Captain: APU?
First Officer: ON and available

Based on this standard operating procedure, it seems highly unlikely that they would have forgotten to switch on the fuel supply system.

Offpointng:
Isn't it too much for a commercial Aircraft??

Not at all. Commercial aircraft’s burn at that rate and over that.