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Goosethetruth:
Jesus Christ,who spoke Aramaic, never wrote a single word about his ministry.
Paul on the other hand after his visionary and spiritual dreamlike encounter with the cosmic Jesus became a preacher and missionary of his own idea of the ministry.
Paul wrote more than half of the books in the Bible new testament although only seven letters can really be regarded as undisputed letters. The undisputed letters of Paul are: Romans,1st and 2nd Corinthians, Galatians, Philippians,1st Thessalonians,and Philemon.

These undisputed Pauline letters are the earliest Christian writing and the texts preceeded the gospels of Mark,Matthew, Luke and John.
I repeat the Undisputed Pauline letters were written and in use in the early Christian Church long before the first gospel of Mark was written.
The fact that the four gospels which were totally anonymous and without names is another discussion in itself.

The fact that Paul's undisputed letters bear his name and byline written in the first person while the gospels which came later with no names and written in the third person is enough to show that none of the writers of the gospels were witnesses to what they wrote about.
The gospels were collections of myths,oral traditions which were written and embellished from the letters of Paul.
Note that Mark which is the first gospel writes about a human Jesus while the last gospel which is John embellished this Jesus into a Divine Jesus who is the same as God. As the years moved on from the first gospel the Jesus story also evolved and changed. This accounts for all the contradictions in the same stories in the gospel.


In essence Paul's message that he received from his vision with the cosmic Jesus on the road to Damascus is : Jesus Christ crucified and resurrected,is the Lord. It is through faith and not law that Christians are reconciled to God,filled with the holy spirit, made part of the church,while awaiting the return of the cosmic Jesus.
Paul does not seem to believe in a human Jesus who walked the earth but a cosmic entity he encountered through a vision.
This Pauline concept of Jesus obviously set Paul on a collision course with the other Apostles.

To be continued.

Goosethetruth:
Jesus Christ,who spoke Aramaic, never wrote a single word about his ministry.


To be continued.

Goosethetruth:
Jesus cosmic Jesus.
Paul does not seem to believe in a human Jesus who walked the earth but a cosmic entity he encountered through a vision.
This Pauline concept of Jesus obviously set Paul on a collision course with the other Apostles.

To be continued.

Goosethetruth:
Jesus Christ,who spoke Aramaic, never wrote a single word r Apostles.

To be continued.

Goosethetruth:
Jesus Christ,who spoke Aramaic, never wrote a single word about his ministry.


To be continued.

Caveatemptor:
Very impressive presentation, supported by graphics and hard facts.
You are helping a lot of people to see the light that they don't want them to see.
Keep it up. Ignore trolls.

Steep:
You are the one burying your head in the sand: if you even had one. Instead of answering sir tee, you are deflecting.
Simple question before the letters of paul was there anything called gospel?
Simple yes or No would suffice.

Lucifyre:
Why should he answer him, the same Sirtee that's an expert at running away once his baseless assertions are shown to be baseless. 😄😄😄

SIRTeee15:
Run away indeed.

Answer my question...stop running away

When did Isaiah 53 changed stopped becoming messianic chapter.

When did Rabbinical Jews changed Isaiah 53 from about The Messiah to about Israel.

I will bring the evidence again.

The truth is very hard to deny, no wonder the silence.

Dantedasz:
@Seun,
I really wonder what is happening in this section. I have been banned twice today on this thread and what I posted is more relevant to this thread than what this sirtee15 bloke has been posting in order to derail this thread. His last 5 posts have been to spam this thread endlessly despite that the OP has stuck to his point and ignored him.
Please look into this issue.

MaxInDHouse:
@ SIRTeee15
I've told you to ignore this guy otherwise he will continue typing what pleases his cohorts as if that's the truth.
So the best thing to do is ignore him after all he's running away from questions therefore let him continue with his friends the Gospels has no rival as far as truth is concerned!

Goosethetruth:
Anonymous gospels with no names of the authors NOT written in Aramaic but in Greek language. Research the history of your religion. Jesus wrote NO single text with his hand before he died. Neither did he build one church. None of the writers of the four gospels were witnesses to the Jesus ministry. The gospels are myths written from oral traditions and the the seven authentic letters of Paul over 60 years after the death of Jesus. Both the undisputed letters of Paul and the disputed letters of Paul preceeded and were written before any of these anonymous gospels! Mathew,Mark,Luke and John are NOT the names of the writers of these anonymous texts called the gospels. Nobody knows who really wrote those books,hence the numerous contradictions of stories of the same events.
Accept knowledge and enlighten yourself through research. Don’t gobble up all you read on Awake,Watchtower and other Jehovah witness false doctrines and propaganda. Educate yourself.
My last response to you.

Dantedasz:
No one takes you guys seriously.

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!

Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

Goosethetruth:
Anonymous gospels with no names of the authors NOT written in Aramaic but in Greek language. Research the history of your religion. Jesus wrote NO single text with his hand before he died. Neither did he build one church. None of the writers of the four gospels were witnesses to the Jesus ministry. The gospels are myths written from oral traditions and the the seven authentic letters of Paul over 60 years after the death of Jesus. Both the undisputed letters of Paul and the disputed letters of Paul preceeded and were written before any of these anonymous gospels! Mathew,Mark,Luke and John are NOT the names of the writers of these anonymous texts called the gospels. Nobody knows who really wrote those books,hence the numerous contradictions of stories of the same events.
Accept knowledge and enlighten yourself through research. Don’t gobble up all you read on Awake,Watchtower and other Jehovah witness false doctrines and propaganda. Educate yourself.
My last response to you.

Goosethetruth:
Anonymous gospels with no names of the authors NOT written in Aramaic but in Greek language. Research the history of your religion. Jesus wrote NO single text with his hand before he died. Neither did he build one church. None of the writers of the four gospels were witnesses to the Jesus ministry. The gospels are myths written from oral traditions and the the seven authentic letters of Paul over 60 years after the death of Jesus. Both the undisputed letters of Paul and the disputed letters of Paul preceeded and were written before any of these anonymous gospels! Mathew,Mark,Luke and John are NOT the names of the writers of these anonymous texts called the gospels. Nobody knows who really wrote those books,hence the numerous contradictions of stories of the same events.
Accept knowledge and enlighten yourself through research. Don’t gobble up all you read on Awake,Watchtower and other Jehovah witness false doctrines and propaganda. Educate yourself.
My last response to you.

SIRTee15:
I would have loved to expose U further but they have advised me to leave U alone.

BUT WITH THE EVIDENCE I BROUGHT HERE, IT'S SO OBVIOUS THE GOSPEL BOOKS ARE NOT CONTINGENT ON PAUL'S LETTERS
I sincerely hope u seek the Truth u looking for.... Bye

SIRTee15:
WHY SPEAKING FOR HIM, LET HIM COME OUT AND DEFEND HIMSELF.

AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, U ARE STUCK WITH ISAIAH 53.
U DON'T BELIEVE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT SO I DONT EVEN KNOW WHY U HERE.

UNTIL YOU TELL ME WHO THE ANCIENT JEWISH RABBIS THINK ISAIAH 53 IS ABOUT....I HAVE EVERY REASON TO BELIEVE U HAVE NO IDEA WHAT U WORSHIP.

That should be your focus.

sonmvayina:
Isaiah 53 is about a suffering servant.
8 times prior to Isaiah 53, Isaiah told you who the servant is. For example in Isaiah 45:1-7, with attention to verse 4 it says

4 For the sake of My servant Jacob, and Israel My chosen one, and I called to you by your name; I surnamed you, yet you have not known Me.

So why will it mean something else 8 chapters later. Why would God lie? You don't seem to get it do you? You really don't want to learn. Isaiah 53 is a soliloquy. This is what the kings of the earth will say when they see the redemption of Israel. It is the kings of the earth that is talking......
You really need to learn it.