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Lord God, help billions of Muslims find salvation that is in Christ alone in the mighty name of Jesus.

If you're a Born again Christian and you understand the deception of Adam and Eve, you will understand that the same devil that deceived them is still the same till date. He's the author of confusion. Don't argue with anyone who doesn't believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus. Pray that God will open their eyes to see Jesus. Any one who sees Jesus doesn't need a preacher. He will understand immediately that Jesus Christ is the son of God...He will understand immediately that he/She is a sinner. Brethren, let's pray for the salvation of the lost instead of arguments which can never change anyone

advocatejare:
Continuation of Muhammad not knowing his fate:

Muhammad did not know his fate salvation in Islam
Sahih al-Bukhari 3929
Narrated 'Um Al-`Ala:
An Ansari woman who gave the pledge of allegiance to the Prophet (ﷺ) that the Ansar drew lots concerning the dwelling of the Emigrants. `Uthman bin Maz'un was decided to dwell with them (i.e. Um Al-`Ala's family), `Uthman fell ill and I nursed him till he died, and we covered him with his clothes. Then the Prophet (ﷺ) came to us and I (addressing the dead body) said, "O Abu As-Sa'ib, may Allah's Mercy be on you! I bear witness that Allah has honored you." On that the Prophet (ﷺ) said, "How do you know that Allah has honored him?" I replied, "I do not know. May my father and my mother be sacrificed for you, O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! But who else is worthy of it (if not `Uthman)?" He said, "As to him, by Allah, death has overtaken him, and I hope the best for him. By Allah, though I am the Apostle of Allah, yet I do not know what Allah will do to me," By Allah, I will never assert the piety of anyone after him. That made me sad, and when I slept I saw in a dream a flowing stream for `Uthman bin Maz'un. I went to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and told him of it. He remarked, "That symbolizes his (good) deeds."

"...By Allah, even I do not know what will be done to me."
— (Sahih al-Bukhari 3929)

At first glance, this might seem to imply some uncertainty about his ultimate fate, but we need to unpack that a bit, especially when we consider other verses, the humility of the Prophet, and the gradual unfolding of divine knowledge.

The Prophet pbuh made this remark during his early days in Madinah, before later revelations clearly affirmed his place in Jannah. At that time:

He was imparting a vital lesson: no one should claim absolute certainty about the unseen (ghayb) unless it has been revealed by Allah.

He was also addressing an emotional exaggeration from Umm al-ʿAlā’ who declared, "I testify Allah has honored you."

His statement showcases prophetic humility rather than personal doubt.

Later in the Qur’an, Allah explicitly reassures the Prophet about his ultimate reward and status:

> "Indeed, We have given you a clear conquest, that Allah may forgive you your past and future sins..."
— Surah al-Fatḥ (48:1–2)

> "...And your Lord will surely give you until you are satisfied."
— Surah ad-Ḍuḥā (93:5)

> "Indeed, Allah and His angels send blessings upon the Prophet..."
— Surah al-Aḥzāb (33:56)

> "And the Hereafter is better for you than the first [life]."
— Surah ad-Ḍuḥā (93:4)

Ohyoudidnt:
"...By Allah, even I do not know what will be done to me."
— (Sahih al-Bukhari 3929)

At first glance, this might seem to imply some uncertainty about his ultimate fate, but we need to unpack that a bit, especially when we consider other verses, the humility of the Prophet, and the gradual unfolding of divine knowledge.

The Prophet pbuh made this remark during his early days in Madinah, before later revelations clearly affirmed his place in Jannah. At that time:

He was imparting a vital lesson: no one should claim absolute certainty about the unseen (ghayb) unless it has been revealed by Allah.

He was also addressing an emotional exaggeration from Umm al-ʿAlā’ who declared, "I testify Allah has honored you."

His statement showcases prophetic humility rather than personal doubt.

Later in the Qur’an, Allah explicitly reassures the Prophet about his ultimate reward and status:

> "Indeed, We have given you a clear conquest, that Allah may forgive you your past and future sins..."
— Surah al-Fatḥ (48:1–2)

> "...And your Lord will surely give you until you are satisfied."
— Surah ad-Ḍuḥā (93:5)

> "Indeed, Allah and His angels send blessings upon the Prophet..."
— Surah al-Aḥzāb (33:56)

> "And the Hereafter is better for you than the first [life]."
— Surah ad-Ḍuḥā (93:4)

Quran 46:9
Say, "I am not something original among the messengers, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I only follow that which is revealed to me, and I am not but a clear warner."

advocatejare:
Quran 46:9
Say, "I am not something original among the messengers, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I only follow that which is revealed to me, and I am not but a clear warner."

To interpret these statements as reflections on the Day of Judgment is grossly insufficient given the Quran's assurances for believers' ultimate fate in Paradise.
Furthermore, the possibility of new divine commandments at that time signifies a continual evolution of guidance. When was this verse revealed in relation to the others? Thus, the essence of these phrases lies in embracing the unknown while maintaining faith in divine wisdom.

Ohyoudidnt:
To interpret these statements as reflections on the Day of Judgment is grossly insufficient given the Quran's assurances for believers' ultimate fate in Paradise.
Furthermore, the possibility of new divine commandments at that time signifies a continual evolution of guidance. When was this verse revealed in relation to the others? Thus, the essence of these phrases lies in embracing the unknown while maintaining faith in divine wisdom.

But Quran says that no one will escape hell including the Muslims. But he will later deliver the faithful ones out of it. So, where did you get assurance of salvation? Muhammed in the Hadith said he will be the first to cross the ladder of hell.

Ken4Christ:
But Quran says that no one will escape hell including the Muslims. But he will later deliver the faithful ones out of it. So, where did you get assurance of salvation? Muhammed in the Hadith said he will be the first to cross the ladder of hell.

So sorry you don't know that whoever is drawn away from the Fire and admitted to Paradise, he has truly succeeded."
(Surah Āli ʿImrān 3:185)

Keep sticking with a misconstrued interpretation and disregard of the other verses.

Ken4Christ:
But Quran says that no one will escape hell including the Muslims. But he will later deliver the faithful ones out of it. So, where did you get assurance of salvation? Muhammed in the Hadith said he will be the first to cross the ladder of hell.

Your issue is with a preferred misunderstanding of the perfect justice of Allah. Some will have no feel in approaching it and some will have some feel as is justified.

Look up the ease and speed with which some will cross the bridge and how this may affect them.

Bring drawn away from hell and entered into paradise doesn't translate to an escape? Please define what you understand by escape in this regard.

Ohyoudidnt:
Your issue is with a preferred misunderstanding of the perfect justice of Allah. Some will have no feel in approaching it and some will have some feel as is justified.

Look up the ease and speed with which some will cross the bridge and how this may affect them.

Bring drawn away from hell and entered into paradise doesn't translate to an escape? Please define what you understand by escape in this regard.

Jesus is the only way to God. He proved it:

1. He was born sinless. And that qualified him to be the only perfect sin sacrifice for mankind.
2. He lived a sinless life.
3. He willingly gave up his life to save mankind.
4. He defeated Satan in his domain; hell and took the keys of death and hell from him - Revelation 1:18.
5. He conquered death by rising from the dead.
6. He ascended back to heaven visibly to God.

No one else in the history of the earth that meets any of this criteria. So, you had better follow His teachings and accept him as your Lord and Saviour.

Ken4Christ:
Jesus is the only way to God. He proved it:

1. He was born sinless. And that qualified him to be the only perfect sin sacrifice for mankind.
2. He lived a sinless life.
3. He willingly gave up his life to save mankind.
4. He defeated Satan in his domain; hell and took the keys of death and hell from him - Revelation 1:18.
5. He conquered death by rising from the dead.
6. He ascended back to heaven visibly to God.

No one else in the history of the earth that meets any of this criteria. So, you had better follow His teachings and accept him as your Lord and Saviour.

Shall we address your submissions?

1. He was born sinless, making him the only perfect sacrifice.

While many religious traditions, including Islam and some non-Trinitarian Christian groups, affirm Jesus' sinlessness, being without sin doesn’t automatically mean he is God or the sole way to God.

Other prophets have also been described as righteous and pure. For instance, both the Qur'an and certain Christian teachings highlight the purity of John the Baptist (Luke 1:15, Qur’an 19:12-13), and Noah is referred to as *“blameless”* in Genesis 6:9.
Where you are blameless is there any sin tied to you?

The concept of substitutionary atonement—the idea that someone must die to appease God's justice is not universally accepted.

Many believe that God is merciful and forgives directly, without the need for a blood sacrifice (Ezekiel 18:20–22, Hosea 6:6).

God can forgive sins without requiring the death of an innocent person. This showcases divine mercy rather than a legal transaction.

2. He lived a sinless life.

Subtly repeating yourself?
This belief may be embraced by various faiths, but it’s not exclusive to Jesus across all theological traditions.

The Qur’an describes Jesus as pure (Qur’an 19:19), but it also acknowledges Mary, Yahya (John), and others as righteous and chosen.

The idea of sinlessness as a prophet's virtue doesn’t necessarily prove divinity or exclusivity.

Additionally, Jesus never claimed to be the only sinless individual or demanded worship based solely on his sinlessness.

Being without sin makes someone righteous, but it doesn’t automatically make them divine or the only route to salvation.

3. He willingly gave his life to save mankind.

This belief stems from the doctrine of vicarious atonement, but it does raise some theological questions.

Can justice truly allow an innocent person to suffer in place of the guilty?

Does this align with God’s declaration in the Bible: “The soul who sins shall die” (Ezekiel 18:20)?

An alternative perspective is that Jesus’ mission was to preach repentance, truth, and guide people back to God, rather than to serve as a blood offering (Luke not to be a blood offering (Luke 5:32; Mark 1:15).

True salvation in Scripture often comes through repentance and obedience, not just belief in a sacrifice (see Matthew 19:17, Ezekiel 33:11).

4. He defeated Satan in hell and took the keys of death and hell (Revelation 1:18).

This verse is packed with symbolism and shouldn't be taken as a straightforward historical account. Revelation is an apocalyptic book filled with metaphors and vivid imagery. The "keys" here symbolize authority rather than a literal victory in battle. Plus, the Bible indicates that Satan remains active even after Jesus’ resurrection (1 Peter 5:8, Revelation 12:12).

The notion that Jesus ventured into hell to defeat Satan isn't explicitly found in the Gospels, and the concept of a "descent into hell" is a topic of debate among Christians.

Taking apocalyptic texts at face value can lead to misunderstandings. The authority over death could simply mean that God granted Him that power, rather than suggesting He triumphed over God's adversary through warfare.

5. He conquered death by rising from the dead.
The resurrection is a fundamental belief in Christianity, but it's rooted in testimony and faith, not universally accepted evidence.

Resurrection isn't exclusive to Jesus. For instance, Lazarus was brought back to life (John 11), and several prophets performed similar miracles (like Elijah in 1 Kings 17:22).

Moreover, God has the power to resurrect anyone He chooses . This doesn’t imply that the resurrected individual is divine, but rather showcases God's might.

Rising from the dead is indeed a miracle, but it doesn't necessarily serve as proof of divinity or uniqueness.

6. He ascended back to heaven visibly to God.

Absolutely, many hold the belief that Jesus ascended to heaven, but others have also been taken up by God, such as Enoch (Genesis 5:24) and Elijah (2 Kings 2:11).

Ascension signifies divine favor, but it doesn't serve as proof that the individual is God or the sole path to Him.

Ascending to heaven is more about being honored than it is about being divine or a mediator.

Jesus (peace be upon him) is a revered prophet, the Messiah, and the Word from God. His mission was to guide people toward God, not to himself.

“Now this is eternal life: that they know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.” (John 17:3)

The idea that Jesus is the only way to God should be understood in a few different ways:

It signifies that He delivered a message of salvation, much like other messengers from God.

His journey, similar to those of others, emphasized the importance of repentance, faith, and obedience to God, rather than solely requiring belief in His divinity.

Ken4Christ:
Jesus is the only way to God. He proved it:

1. He was born sinless. And that qualified him to be the only perfect sin sacrifice for mankind.
2. He lived a sinless life.
3. He willingly gave up his life to save mankind.
4. He defeated Satan in his domain; hell and took the keys of death and hell from him - Revelation 1:18.
5. He conquered death by rising from the dead.
6. He ascended back to heaven visibly to God.

No one else in the history of the earth that meets any of this criteria. So, you had better follow His teachings and accept him as your Lord and Saviour.

Other prophets were known for their righteousness, living sinless lives, and being chosen by God.

The idea of salvation through repentance and obedience to God is a recurring theme throughout the Bible (for instance, Ezekiel 18:21-22, Micah 6:6–8, Matthew 7:21).

When we look at the “only way” statement in John 14:6 ("I am the way..." ), it can be interpreted in a couple of ways:

Contextually: It speaks to the specific time and audience.

Prophetically: It suggests that Jesus serves as a guide to God, rather than being God himself.

Jesus never claimed to be the only path in a way that dismissed earlier prophets. In fact, he respected them and upheld the teachings of the Torah (Matthew 5:17–19).

God’s mercy and justice extend beyond just one person or time period. Many generations existed before Jesus, and their connection to God was very much alive.

Jesus is a significant prophet, messenger, and the Messiah. The latter meaning chosen, honored, and appointed by God for prophetic mission, a sign of one born without a man impregnating a woman (I ponder the biblical inclusion of Joseph to sway this fact)
not necessarily that he is the only way to salvation, nor that he is divine.

A source of salvation for those who embrace his teachings not the only means of salvation.

God has consistently provided guidance through various prophets and scriptures.

“To every nation a messenger.” — (Qur’an 10:47)

“The one who does the will of My Father... shall enter the kingdom of heaven.” — (Matthew 7:21)

Ultimately, salvation comes through God’s mercy, following His guidance, and living righteously. it’s not limited to just one individual for all time

Ohyoudidnt:
Other prophets were known for their righteousness, living sinless lives, and being chosen by God.

The idea of salvation through repentance and obedience to God is a recurring theme throughout the Bible (for instance, Ezekiel 18:21-22, Micah 6:6–8, Matthew 7:21).

When we look at the “only way” statement in John 14:6 ("I am the way..." ), it can be interpreted in a couple of ways:

Contextually: It speaks to the specific time and audience.

Prophetically: It suggests that Jesus serves as a guide to God, rather than being God himself.

Jesus never claimed to be the only path in a way that dismissed earlier prophets. In fact, he respected them and upheld the teachings of the Torah (Matthew 5:17–19).

God’s mercy and justice extend beyond just one person or time period. Many generations existed before Jesus, and their connection to God was very much alive.

Jesus is a significant prophet, messenger, and the Messiah. The latter meaning chosen, honored, and appointed by God for prophetic mission, a sign of one born without a man impregnating a woman (I ponder the biblical inclusion of Joseph to sway this fact)
not necessarily that he is the only way to salvation, nor that he is divine.

A source of salvation for those who embrace his teachings not the only means of salvation.

God has consistently provided guidance through various prophets and scriptures.

“To every nation a messenger.” — (Qur’an 10:47)

“The one who does the will of My Father... shall enter the kingdom of heaven.” — (Matthew 7:21)

Ultimately, salvation comes through God’s mercy, following His guidance, and living righteously. it’s not limited to just one individual for all time

There's no human born on earth that can claim he is sinless. Only Jesus has that exclusive claim.

There are no two ways to interpret John 14:6. Jesus didn’t only claim to be the way, he said that no one can come to the Father except through him. There's is no ambiguity in this statement. And it is backed up by many other scriptures.

Jesus didn’t uphold the Old Testament laws. He ended it. This is what the word fulfill means in Matthew 5:17-18. Jesus has fulfilled the law, bringing a justified end to it. This truth is repeated over and over again in the letters of Paul.

Ken4Christ:
There's no human born on earth that can claim he is sinless. Only Jesus has that exclusive claim.

There are no two ways to interpret John 14:6. Jesus didn’t only claim to be the way, he said that no one can come to the Father except through him. There's is no ambiguity in this statement. And it is backed up by many other scriptures.

Jesus didn’t uphold the Old Testament laws. He ended it. This is what the word fulfill means in Matthew 5:17-18. Jesus has fulfilled the law, bringing a justified end to it. This truth is repeated over and over again in the letters of Paul.

Interesting it is that you state the law of the old testament ended when Jesus says Jesus warns that even the smallest letter of the law holds significance in Matthew 5:18, indicating that all aspects of the Old Testament retain their value.

What interpretation are you alluding to?


Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven…”
— Matthew 5:17–19