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This man, E.A.Adeboye, who is so highly revered by many in this country, is a man who doesn't know Jesus. And yet, sadly, he is leading countless millions astray with his twisted, polluted teachings. He is covetous, proud, and his god is his belly.

Jesus said:
"I know thy tribulation and thy poverty, (but thou art rich): and thou art blasphemed by them that say they are Jews and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan." Rev 2:9.

Here, Jesus didn't say His poor church was under a curse, but that they were rich in the truest sense of the word because of their union with Him.

Here's another verse:
"They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented; (Of whom the world was not worthy they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth. These all, having obtained a good report through faith..." Hebrews 11:37-39.

Again, here, Jesus commends His poor, afflicted saints as obtaining a good report through faith. He doesn't say that they were all under a curse, as Adeboye will have us believe.

Adeboye's sin is very great, and it is only on the last day of Judgment when Jesus returns that He will be known for what he truly is.

But jesus as they say he was a friend to the poor, why all these prosperity of a thing, I don't get.

When Poverty is the Blessing, and Prosperity the Curse.

It is natural to assume that prosperity is a sign of God’s favor and that poverty is a curse. After all, who wouldn’t prefer financial security over financial struggle? Yet Scripture often presents a paradox: prosperity can be spiritually deadly, while poverty can become a means of grace.

Jesus warns of this danger when He asks: “What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and forfeit his soul?” (Mark 8:36)

Wealth, though a blessing in the right hands, can lull a person into complacency, pride, and self-reliance. That’s why Jesus also cautions: “Take care, and be on your guard against all covetousness, for one’s life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions.” (Luke 12:15) In the parable of the rich fool, Jesus describes a man who builds bigger barns to store his wealth, thinking he has secured his future. But God’s response is sobering: “Fool! This night your soul is required of you, and the things you have prepared, whose will they be?” (Luke 12:20) The tragedy of this man’s life wasn’t his wealth—it was that he was “not rich toward God” (Luke 12:21).

Prosperity: A potentially Dangerous Gift

Prosperity often masquerades as a blessing, but it can just as easily become a curse. When wealth increases, pride often follows: “Beware lest you say in your heart, ‘My power and the might of my hand have gotten me this wealth.’” (Deuteronomy 8:17–18) Comfort can blind us to our need for God: “You say, I am rich, I have prospered, and I need nothing—not realizing that you are wretched, pitiable, poor, blind, and naked.” (Revelation 3:17) Even within the church, material success can be mistaken for spiritual health, leading us to believe we are thriving when, in reality, we are spiritually impoverished.

Poverty: A Hidden Blessing

By contrast, poverty—though painful—can be a surprising gift. It often leads to greater spiritual dependence. Those who lack worldly wealth may more readily recognize their need for God. Jesus says: “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.” (Mark 10:25)

Agur, a lesser-known writer of Proverbs, wisely prayed:
“Give me neither poverty nor riches; feed me with the food that is needful for me, lest I be full and deny you and say, ‘Who is the Lord?’ or lest I be poor and steal and profane the name of my God.” (Proverbs 30:8–9) The true danger lies not in wealth or poverty itself, but in how our hearts respond to them. Wealth can lead us to forget God; poverty can lead to despair. Yet both can be tools in God’s hands for our spiritual good.

The real Treasure: Christ

So what’s the answer?

The goal is not to seek poverty or fear prosperity, but rather to pursue being rich toward God. True wealth is found not in possessions, but in Christ. As Paul beautifully wrote: “For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sake He became poor, so that you by His poverty might become (spiritually) rich.” (2 Corinthians 8:9)

If Christ is our treasure, we are never truly poor—regardless of what our bank accounts say. We should hold loosely to the fleeting riches of this world and cling tightly to the eternal riches found in Him. “Where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.” (Matthew 6:21)

Jesus Christ will reign forever 🙏

Splendour99:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMtAETk3gWA

This man, E.A.Adeboye, who is so highly revered by many in this country, is a man who doesn't know Jesus. And yet, sadly, he is leading countless millions astray with his twisted, polluted teachings. He is covetous, proud, and his god is his belly.

Jesus said:
"I know thy tribulation and thy poverty, (but thou art rich): and thou art blasphemed by them that say they are Jews and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan." Rev 2:9.

Here, Jesus didn't say His poor church was under a curse, but that they were rich in the truest sense of the word because of their union with Him.

Here's another verse:
"They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented; (Of whom the world was not worthy they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth. These all, having obtained a good report through faith..." Hebrews 11:37-39.

Again, here, Jesus commends His poor, afflicted saints as obtaining a good report through faith. He doesn't say that they were all under a curse, as Adeboye will have us believe.

Adeboye's sin is very great, and it is only on the last day of Judgment when Jesus returns that He will be known for what he truly is.

I beg to differ.....

I highly respect pastor Adeboye because of his humility and steadfastness in the authentic gospel of Jesus.

God's original intention for man was never poverty.... poverty came in because of the fall of Adam and Eve which brought the curse of poverty:

Genesis 3 (KJV)
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¹⁷ And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

¹⁸ Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

¹⁹ In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Poverty is a curse because it limits one from fully fulfilling destiny: fruitfulness, multiplication and dominance (Genesis 1: 28)

They are proselytizing poverty on this thread.

Una go gather una own congregation, people who believe their destiny is poverty will flock here

MrPresident1:
They are proselytizing poverty on this thread.

Una go gather una own congregation, people who believe their destiny is poverty will flock here

That is not the purpose of this thread, but to expose the dangerous teaching from Adeboye.

As you can see from my second post, I gave a balanced view of the subject from the Scriptures.

For Adeboye to say that poor Christians who believe in Jesus as their only hope of salvation are sinners under a curse is nowhere taught in the New Testament, and it is a very grave sin.

Jude 1 speaks about men like him who propagate such twisted teachings.

Splendour99:
That is not the purpose of this thread, but to expose the dangerous teaching from Adeboye.

As you can see from my second post, I gave a balanced view of the subject from the Scriptures.

For Adeboye to say that poor Christians who believe in Jesus as their only hope of salvation are sinners under a curse is nowhere taught in the New Testament, and it is a very grave sin.

Jude 1 speaks about men like him who propagate such twisted teachings.

Alaye, you will gather your own crowd o, people who believe in poverty as godliness will follow you.

Well, Jesus knows His sheep in this country who truly belong to Him, small though they may be.

As for Adeboye and others like him, Jesus says:

Matt.23
[1] Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
[2] Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
[3] All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
[4] For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
[5] But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
[6] And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
[7] And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
[8] But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
[9] And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
[10] Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
[11] But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
[12] And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
[13] But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
[14] Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
[15] Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
[16] Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
[17] Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
[18] And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.
[19] Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?
[20] Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon.
[21] And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.
[22] And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.
[23] Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
[24] Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
[25] Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
[26] Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
[27] Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
[28] Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
[29] Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
[30] And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
[31] Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
[32] Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
[33] Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
[34] Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
[35] That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
[36] Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

judewrites:
I beg to differ.....

I highly respect pastor Adeboye because of his humility and steadfastness in the authentic gospel of Jesus.

God's original intention for man was never poverty.... poverty came in because of the fall of Adam and Eve which brought the curse of poverty:

Genesis 3 (KJV)
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
¹⁷ And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

¹⁸ Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

¹⁹ In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Poverty is a curse because it limits one from fully fulfilling destiny: fruitfulness, multiplication and dominance (Genesis 1: 28)

oga poverty is not a curse but the adamic sin, a result of the fallen world and fallen human nature.. The curse in Genesis is the hardship in working. Even the rich pass through this hardship. It is not easy to be rich and those that would be rich piece themselves with many sorrows.

Do you know that death is a curse, and also adeboye is getting old which is a result of the adamic curse.

Aging is also the result of adamic curse.

There is no where in the Bible where God says that poverty is one of gifts he gives to his children, prosperity rather is a natural almost foregone consequence of obedience to God's ways. Poverty is not a fruit of the spirit, it is not a gift of the spirit, and in fact is a sign of the absence of God.

Obligatory poverty characterised by lack of food, clothing, shelter, lack of healthcare, bad infrastructure, poor mental attitudes, are things you find in hell, and hell are nations that forget God.

God delights in the prosperity of his saints and even if they are dwelling in the middle of hell, he knows how to provide for them

Proverbs 10:22
King James Version
22 The blessing of the Lord, it maketh rich, and he addeth no sorrow with it.

If we are to compare the earthly wealth of Jesus in the Bible vs that of GO Adeboye, it would be like comparing match stick light to hell fire!

Baba is promoting riches!

Jesus as well as other Prophets never discriminates people! And they are usually closer to the downtrodden!

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[quote author=Steep post=136127923]oga poverty is not a curse, poverty is the result of many factors which are part of the fallen world and fallen nature of man. The curse in Genesis is the hardship in working. Even the rich pass through this hardship. It is not easy to be rich and those that would be rich piece themselves with many sorrows.

Do you know that death is a curse, and also adeboye is getting old which is a result of the adamic curse.

Op, did I not tell you that you will gather your own crew? This one believes in your doctrine of poverty

Steep:
oga poverty is not a curse but the result of the adamic curse. The curse in Genesis is the hardship in working. Even the rich pass through this hardship. It is not easy to be rich and those that would be rich piece themselves with many sorrows.

Do you know that death is a curse, and also adeboye is getting old which is a result of the adamic curse.

Aging is also the result of adamic curse.

What is poverty? It's lack.

How can you claim that poverty isn't a curse??

Na wa o🤷‍♀️

Even Jesus became poor to make us rich.

For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.
— 2 Corinthians 8:9

AntiChristian:
If we are to compare the earthly wealth of Jesus in the Bible vs that of GO Adeboye, it would be like comparing match stick light to hell fire!

Baba is promoting riches!

Jesus as well as other Prophets never discriminates people! And they are usually closer to the downtrodden!

Jesus did not come to spread poverty. Prosperity is a natural consequence of obedience.

Jesus is of noble birth, the son of a carpenter. He was not poor.

judewrites:
What is poverty? It's lack.

How can you claim that poverty isn't a curse??

Na wa o🤷‍♀️

Even Jesus became poor to make us rich.

For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.
— 2 Corinthians 8:9

Paul was speaking of the riches of christ that is yet to be revealed but in the believers.

Colossians 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Poverty is a result of the adamic fall not the curse itself.
Ephesians 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

Christ is the riches of the believers, not material possession.

In the old testament poverty was a direct curse upon the Israel if they failed to keep the law but however that does not mean poverty is always a curse in the Bible.

In ancient Israel poverty becomes like a curse to the entire nation when they turn against divine required standards that doesn't mean nobody will be rich among them but 90% of the population will live in abject poverty while just a few will be rich.
The curse is upon the entire nation whether rich or poor because while the poor are languishing in poverty the rich or average lives in fear as many of those suffering won't just accept it as fate rather they'll become thieves and highway robbers making life unbearable for their neighbors therefore such curse affects the entire nation.

But where is the blessings for the upright among them if the curse affects the whole nation?

Well God will bless the upright making sure that they are fed with life saving informations on how to escape impending calamities that will destroy the nation.

For instance during the time of Jeremiah most youths were accumulating material possessions, getting married and having children despite knowing what God's servants have said about Jerusalem that is the time God warned Jeremiah not to acquire material possessions nor get married.

WHY?

Because all those acquiring possessions will perish due to their possessions while all their wives and children will be slaughtered right before their eyes!

Jeremiah remained unmarried and keep telling the people all the calamities God is bringing upon Jerusalem.

What did the people in general choose to do with Jeremiah?

They maltreated and tortured him for delivering such evil messages to them but when the time comes Jeremiah was saved according to God's word while all the youths in Jerusalem were taken as captives to Babylon!

Today the whole world is facing abject poverty though many still feels they are rich but the curse is obvious as those who felt rich can't walk or sleep safely because even their closest guards wants to become rich like them and such desperate ones are unpredictable!

So there's no blessings when people around you are suffering no matter how rich you may think their poverty affects you one way or another! Luke 12:20 compare to Matthew 6:19-21

God bless you and may you have peace!

MrPresident1:
Jesus did not come to spread poverty. Prosperity is a natural consequence of obedience.

Jesus is of noble birth, the son of a carpenter. He was not poor.

Of course i never said he came to spread property!

Noble birth, he was born in a manger! I think he was extremely poor!

He and the disciples were hungry a few times in the Bible!

Any Christian preacher who tells you God's blessings alone, and not the choices you make in life are the reasons you are rich wants to steal from you through tithes and offerings. They want to put themselves in a powerful position in your mind where you have no choice but to share your wealth with them



Yes, it's God blessing according to them,, and since they claim to be representing the same God, who are you not to give to them when they request from you?

And it's even worse, when you accept from the same people you're poor because of an imaginary curse. You seal your fate if you accept such falsehood as you will struggle forever to make it in life. No prayer or deliverance from poverty will be of any help.

The choices will make in life ,which either leads to failure or success , springs from the ideas or beliefs we hold strongly in our minds.

("As a man thinks in his heart" (mind)

So, if you fully accept you're under a curse for being poor and not because of what you're doing or not, you have sown a seed of poverty in your mind that will certainly germinate and become your reality, making you do and say things from time to time that will keep you in perpetual poverty, and not able to rise above the situation no matter how hard you try. "You reap what you sow" both in thoughts and in actions. So, don't allow anyone sow a negative seed of poverty in your mind. You will suffer for it if you do. The poverty will not come from any actual curses but from the false beliefs you're holding in your mind that you're under a curse.

Poverty is not a good thing and one shouldn't celebrate it or find comfort in it. One can always find things to do to live life comfortably. It's just a matter of knowing what to do based on money making ideas you can generate in your mind

The preacher who says you are rich because his God has blessed you, is actually setting you up for failure. Life is ups and downs,and since you have accepted your wealth is from his God, the day you experience some form of misfortune in business or any series of bad luck, you will start to think some curses from what you did in the past are the reasons they are happening. And if you cannot shake the thoughts of curses from your mind, you certainly are one your way to experiencing poverty because of what you believe

AntiChristian:
Of course i never said he came to spread property!

Noble birth, he was born in a manger! I think he was extremely poor!

He and the disciples were hungry a few times in the Bible!

His birth in a manger does not detract anything from the fact of his nobility! He was not poor, he could get anything he wanted from anywhere, he knew that there is some money inside a fish and asked a disciple to go fetch it. He knows where the billions are too.

Even Mike Adenuga gets hungry sometimes

MrPresident1:
His birth in a manger does not detract anything from the fact of his nobility! He was not poor, he could get anything he wanted from anywhere, he knew that there is some money inside a fish and asked a disciple to go fetch it. He knows where the billions are too.

Even Mike Adenuga gets hungry sometimes

I'm sorry, but you don't know the Jesus of the Bible.

Read the book of Matthew from chapter 1 to the end.

May He gives you eyes to see and ears to hear.

Splendour99:
I'm sorry, but you don't know the Jesus of the Bible.

Read the book of Matthew from chapter 1 to the end.

May He gives you eyes to see and ears to hear.

Jesus did not promise poverty to any of his disciples. But rather prosperity even in the midst of Satan's troubles. But if you have read the Matthew you are now asking me to read and have understood that poverty is written inside your destiny, what is anyone's gain trying to dissuade you from what has been divinely revealed to you?

Read my first and second post on this thread very well.

The heart of the matter is following the Lord Jesus Christ as His disciple.

Jesus Himself says it is easier for a camel to enter the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. You should think about this and pay careful attention to His words.

If Jesus knows that you trust in your riches and that your riches are an idol in your life, He may ask you to get rid of it in order to save you, as He did to the rich, young ruler. Matthew 19:16-30.

If Jesus knows that riches are not an idol in your life, then He may permit it to be used for the benefit of the poor and the advancement of His Kingdom.

Regarding being poor as a Christian, nowhere did God say they are poor because they are sinners and under a curse.

Listen, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
James - Chapter 2:5

Well, you may disagree with all I have written, but His sheep will hear His voice and follow Him, whether He gives them riches or not, in this life.

MrPresident1:
His birth in a manger does not detract anything from the fact of his nobility! He was not poor, he could get anything he wanted from anywhere, he knew that there is some money inside a fish and asked a disciple to go fetch it. He knows where the billions are too.

Even Mike Adenuga gets hungry sometimes

His birth in a manger shows how humble his family were as regards riches. If he could get anything he wants from anywhere then he would have embraced riches and not go hungry!

Knowing where there's money doesn't make you rich! It is your bank balance, properties and cash at hand that makes you rich or poor!

Mike Adenuga and all humans get hungry sometimes! And when hungry a rich person will go get food. Jesus instead cursed the fig tree to death! In another verse, the disciples were seen picking up grains from the fields!

Mike Adenuga would have gone home to eat or order for food somehow!

AntiChristian:
His birth in a manger shows how humble his family were as regards riches. If he could get anything he wants from anywhere then he would have embraced riches and not go hungry!

Knowing where there's money doesn't make you rich! It is your bank balance, properties and cash at hand that makes you rich or poor!

Mike Adenuga and all humans get hungry sometimes! And when hungry a rich person will go get food. Jesus instead cursed the fig tree to death! In another verse, the disciples were seen picking up grains from the fields!

Mike Adenuga would have gone home to eat or order for food somehow!

He had a mission to fulfil, and everything written about him must be fulfilled, this does not detract anything from the nobility and aristocracy of his birth, he was born David's child! Firstborn and first seat among the aristocracy!

He had legions of angels at his beck and call. He could order for anything, but he chose not to, to fulfil everything that is written. He could be rich, but he chose, on his own volition, not to be rich, but he was not object poor.

He cursed the fig tree, his disciples were eating grains in their ears, these are symbolisms which I will not explain to you.

Splendour99:
Read my first and second post on this thread very well.

The heart of the matter is following the Lord Jesus Christ as His disciple.

Jesus Himself says it is easier for a camel to enter the eye of a needle than for a rich

Poverty does not follow people who follow Jesus, prosperity is a natural consequence of obedience. Jesus is the noble man who gave his 10 disciples 10 pounds to go into the world and occupy

10 means completion. He has given his followers the wholeness an completion of everything.

There is no Scripture where God gave poverty for righteousness, prosperity follows righteousness, it is not even worth mentioning.

MrPresident1:
He had a mission to fulfil, and everything written about him must be fulfilled, this does not detract anything from the nobility and aristocracy of his birth, he was born David's child! Firstborn and first seat among the aristocracy!

He still had no money and was poor! Even David his alleged father was once had to go beg for holy bread for him and his army to eat! Poverty and hunger is intertwined! Jesus and his family were poor. And being poor is not a bad thing!

He had legions of angels at his beck and call. He could order for anything, but he chose not to, to fulfil everything that is written. He could be rich, but he chose, on his own volition, not to be rich, but he was not object poor.

If you chose not to be rich then you are poor! I don't know how this could elude you!

He cursed the fig tree, his disciples were eating grains in their ears, these are symbolisms which I will not explain to you.

These are literal things that allegedly happened in the Bible. They are not symbolism at all!

AntiChristian:
He still had no money and was poor! Even David his alleged father was once had to go beg for holy bread for him and his army to eat! Poverty and hunger is intertwined! Jesus and his family were poor. And being poor is not a bad thing!

If you chose not to be rich then you are poor! I don't know how this could elude you!

These are literal things that allegedly happened in the Bible. They are not symbolism at all!

Jesus belongs to the aristocracy, most senior echelons of aristocracy, you need to look up the meaning of aristocracy, then you will stop, when you realise that money was not his problem. Jesus came to fulfil prophecy, his was voluntary, his abnegation of wealth and opulence, entirely voluntary so that prophecy would be fulfilled. The son of the carpenter was born an aristocrat.

If literal understanding works best for you, that's OK, stick with it.

MrPresident1:
Jesus belongs to the aristocracy, most senior echelons of aristocracy, you need to look up the meaning of aristocracy, then you will stop, when you realise that money was not his problem. Jesus came to fulfil prophecy, his was voluntary, his abnegation of wealth and opulence, entirely voluntary so that prophecy would be fulfilled. The son of the carpenter was born an aristocrat.

If literal understanding works best for you, that's OK, stick with it.

Jesus lived a normadic life particularly the last three years of his life! He was exceptionally poor!

How many clothes does he have?
What was his property when he died?
Did he have a house to himself?
Did he have a donkey or horse for conveyance?

He was always on legs!

Abeg! Leave symbolism for reality!

The biblical Jesus was simply poor!

AntiChristian:
Jesus lived a normadic life particularly the last three years of his life! He was exceptionally poor!

How many clothes does he have?
What was his property when he died?
Did he have a house to himself?
Did he have a donkey or horse for conveyance?

He was always on legs!

Abeg! Leave symbolism for reality!

The biblical Jesus was simply poor!

If literal renditions work best for you, my candid advice is that you stick to it. Meanwhile, ask chatgpt for the meaning of ARISTOCRAT.

A born Aristocrat!