₦airaland Forum

DeepSight:
But come on, this argument of necessary evil is old and has always been used by aggressive imperialist states. It was used by the USA against Sadam Hussein over non existent Weapons of Mass Destruction. It was used by Hitler against Poland after his false flag operation by the border. It has been used innumerable times by Israel against her neighbours. It was used by France and the West against Gaddafi. Heck, it was even used by good old Idi Amin against Tanzania who ended up defeating him!

It is a weak old excuse by aggressive states. What I need you to assure me of first is that you are not one of those who justify everything Israel has ever done - no matter how atrocious.

Can you please list those illegal things and let us determine whether they were actually illegal?

Gbadebo19:
Can you please list those illegal things and let us determine whether they were actually illegal?

There is no point. You yourself already mentioned how they have seized a buffer zone agreed under United Nations auspices. Is that not an arrangement that must have involved multi-lateral negotiation and understanding? So if you proceed to defend that, why should I waste my energy. It is clear there is nothing you will not defend and engaging you will be a waste of my energy. You even went so far as to say the other party doesnt have to agree to any demilitarized zone. In short, Israel is supreme.

If you can defend something like that how dare I mention anything about illegal settlements in the West Bank, and the continuous expansion of same? How dare I mention anything about genocide and occupation in Gaza and the West Bank? How dare I mention anything about apartheid policies? How dare I mention anything about ICC indictment of Netanyahu?

Oh no, its obvious what you will say. No need. Have a good evening sir.

DeepSight:
There is no point. You yourself already mentioned how they have seized a buffer zone agreed under United Nations auspices. Is that not an arrangement that must have involved multi-lateral negotiation and understanding? So if you proceed to defend that, why should I waste my energy. It is clear there is nothing you will not defend and engaging you will be a waste of my energy. You even went so far as to say the other party doesnt have to agree to any demilitarized zone. In short, Israel is supreme.

If you can defend something like that how dare I mention anything about illegal settlements in the West Bank, and the continuous expansion of same? How dare I mention anything about genocide and occupation in Gaza and the West Bank? How dare I mention anything about apartheid policies? How dare I mention anything about ICC indictment of Netanyahu?

Oh no, its obvious what you will say. No need. Have a good evening sir.

You either have nothing to say or you know that what you want to say is totally illogical.
Dont mention illegal settlement. I already said it that losing wars comes with losing lands. Those places you refer to as illegal settlement were the places lost to Israel during the Arab six day war with Israel. C'est finis

Gbadebo19:
You either have nothing to say or you know that what you want to say is totally illogical.
Dont mention illegal settlement. I already said it that losing wars comes with losing lands. Those places you refer to as illegal settlement were the places lost to Israel during the Arab six day war with Israel. C'est finis

What complete ignorrance. Enjoy. Good day.

DeepSight:
What complete ignorrance. Enjoy. Good day.

Sure. I know you will end up with your Nairaland Propaganda. Have a wonderful day.

P.S: Instead of just screaming ignorance, maybe I should remind you that you haven't said a single thing to justify what you call illegal.

Gbadebo19:
Sure. I know you will end up with your Nairaland Propaganda. Have a wonderful day.

P.S: Instead of just screaming ignorance, maybe I should remind you that you haven't said a single thing to justify what you call illegal.

Look, I am willing to have a proper and nuanced discussion with you on this matter but you have to confirm your objectivity. Everyone thinks they are objective so I will define again what I mean. I mean that you confirm that you are not one of those who defends everything Israel does no matter what.

DeepSight:
Look, I am willing to have a proper and nuanced discussion with you on this matter but you have to confirm your objectivity. Everyone thinks they are objective so I will define again what I mean. I mean that you confirm that you are not one of those who defends everything Israel does no matter what.

Just start by listing the illegal things and let's see whether they are truly illegal and stop all these long talk.

Gbadebo19:
Just start by listing the illegal things and let's see whether they are truly illegal and stop all these long talk.

Ol boy we all have things to do as busy adults. I don't intend to waste my time if you cannot confirm your objectivity.

It would be useless having a debate on this matter with any person who is hardwired to defend Issrael even if they dropped a nuclear bomb on his village. And there are many such people, especially among Evangelicals in Nigeria, and they are a dime a dozen on this board. So pardon me, I need to know ahead if it's a waste of time.

PS: I already pointed out a number of issues if you were serious you would have noticed each one on its own merit.

DeepSight:
PS: I already pointed out a number of issues if you were serious you would have noticed each one on its own merit.

And I replied your bullshit telling you how the expansion of Israel came to be. You had no answer to it and tagged me ignorant. You could have stated whether I was wrong or not.

If you want to talk about the Gaza war, read the attached P.S below

P.S: The preamble of Hamas constitution is a commitment to wiping out the Jewish state. Did you know that?

You are just here saying all sorts of balderdash like somebody who knows something.

Gbadebo19:
And I replied your bullshit telling you how the expansion of Israel came to be. You had no answer to it and tagged me ignorant. You could have stated whether I was wrong or not.

If you want to talk about the Gaza war, read the attached P.S below

P.S: The preamble of Hamas constitution is a commitment to wiping out the Jewish state. Did you know that?

Okay, sorry I called you ignorant. Now will you affirm objectivity?

In fact, let's do a simple test to establish that objectivity. Can you answer a simple yes or no to this question.

Have both sides committed atrocities in this decades long conflict. Yes or no.

Your answer to this will ascertain your objectivity.

In case you wonder, my answer is yes.

DeepSight:
Okay, sorry I called you ignorant. Now will you affirm objectivity?

In fact, let's do a simple test to establish that objectivity. Can you answer a simple yes or no to this question.

Have both sides committed atrocities in this decades long conflict. Yes or no.

Your answer to this will ascertain your objectivity.

In case you wonder, my answer is yes.

Stop asking me unnecessary question. Prove your point with evidence that is beyond reasonable doubt or on a balance of probabilities and if I don't have a better reply, you win that point. Simple as A B C

Gbadebo19:
Stop asking me unnecessary question. Prove your point with evidence that is beyond reasonable doubt or on a balance of probabilities and if I don't have a better reply, you win that point. Simple as A B C

Alright forget it then.
Apology also withdrawn.

You easily know them when you get them boxed to the wall. Imagine someone asking me to affirm objectivity as if objectivity is attained by affirmation. Is it not a third party reading the thread that would determine who is objective from the points and evidence adduced?

Gbadebo19:
You easily know them when you get them boxed to the wall. Imagine someone asking me to affirm objectivity as if objectivity is attained by affirmation. Is it not a third party reading the thread that would determine who is objective from the points and evidence adduced?

A person who justified the seizure of a buffer zone agreed by multilateral involvement is talking. Shior. Thank heavens i didnt waste my time.

DeepSight:
A person who justified the seizure of a buffer zone agreed by multilateral involvement is talking. Shior. Thank heavens i didnt waste my time.

Oga, stop quoting me. You don't even know how to determine objectivity, yet you want me to swallow your bullshit without evidence. No be juju be dat?

Gbadebo19:
Oga, stop quoting me. You don't even know how to determine objectivity, yet you want me to swallow your bullshit without evidence. No be juju be dat?

You are the one who tried to justify clear international criminality. There is no escaping it. Invading a buffer zone is international roguery. Nothing can change that.

The reason I didnt want to waste my time was clear: any one who justifies that will justify anything.

DeepSight:
You are the one who tried to justify clear international criminality. There is no escaping it. Invading a buffer zone is international roguery. Nothing can change that.

The reason I didnt want to waste my time was clear: any one who justifies that will justify anything.

I don hear. You don win.
Can I go to sleep in peace now?

Gbadebo19:
I don hear. You don win.
Can I go to sleep in peace now?

Its too early.

Seriously though, the world will not heal so long as people are willing to justify even the clearest wrongs.

The cycle of hatred, exploitation, violence and generations of revenge will continue.

Good night.

DeepSight:
Its too early.

Seriously though, the world will not heal so long as people are willing to justify even the clearest wrongs.

The cycle of hatred, exploitation, violence and generations of revenge will continue.

Good night.

Mtcheeeeww.
Every talking point of yours were points I fed to you.
Same you who didn't know what Israel was doing in Syria, knew nothing about how Israel expanded, can't even define objectivity suddenly picks a point from what I fed you and think you can use it to win an argument.
I don't have time for back and forth.
No quote me again oo.

Gbadebo19:
Mtcheeeeww.
Every talking point of yours were points I fed to you.
Same you who didn't know what Israel was doing in Syria, knew nothing about how Israel expanded, can't even define objectivity suddenly picks a point from what I fed you and think you can use it to win an argument.
I don't have time for back and forth.
No quote me again oo.

You can't command me young man.

It really surprised me that you would raise a point that clearly stands against your own argument.

Why would you do that?

Surely you know that invading a buffer zone is not justifiable.

Why would you try to justify it.

And oh, perhaps you didn't read properly. By back hand I raised other points than this, which you ignored.

DeepSight:
You can't command me young man.

It really surprised me that you would raise a point that clearly stands against your own argument.

Why would you do that?

Surely you know that invading a buffer zone is not justifiable.

Why would you try to justify it.

And oh, perhaps you didn't read properly. By back hand I raised other points than this, which you ignored.

Oga, you are just trying to be politically correct, when it comes to the security and wellness of her people isreal don't give a shit about any political correctness and that's how any nation who cares about her people should act...!!

No be Nigeria wey dey play ping pong with their people life...!!

Gbadebo19:
Mtcheeeeww.
Every talking point of yours were points I fed to you.
Same you who didn't know what Israel was doing in Syria, knew nothing about how Israel expanded, can't even define objectivity suddenly picks a point from what I fed you and think you can use it to win an argument.
I don't have time for back and forth.
No quote me again oo.

Gbadebo, good afternoon.

Come back here and let us discuss this matter of Israel.

Otherwise I will proclaim a fatwa

DeepSight:
Gbadebo, good afternoon.

Come back here and let us discuss this matter of Israel.

Otherwise I will proclaim a fatwa

Wetin concern me and your fatwa. Go to Iran or Saudi and proclaim fatwa there

Gbadebo19:
Wetin concern me and your fatwa. Go to Iran or Saudi and proclaim fatwa there

No no no, you can't escape.

But on a serious note, I am interested in the conversation.

Can we give it a second go?

I want to start from the creation of Israel in 1948.

DeepSight:
No no no, you can't escape.

But on a serious note, I am interested in the conversation.

Can we give it a second go?

I want to start from the creation of Israel in 1948.

If you are starting from 1948, you know nothing about history. You are too shallow for me to engage in a discussion. I am never going to be quoting Bible stories by moonight for you but hard historical facts.

P.S: Start from the reign of emperor Hadrian of the Roman empire. When you understand what fully happened then, quote me again and I may oblige you with a response. Thanks

Gbadebo19:
If you are starting from 1948, you know nothing about history. You are too shallow for me to engage in a discussion. I am never going to be quoting Bible stories by moonight for you but hard historical facts.

P.S: Start from the reign of emperor Hadrian of the Roman empire. When you understand what fully happened then, quote me again and I may oblige you with a response. Thanks

Let's start from the Roman destruction of Jerusalem and the Jewish diaspora that followed.

Look, we can take it all the way back to Abraham from Ur of the Chaldeans if you prefer.

I am ready. Just be serious with me because it's a serious conversation. Thanks and happy Sunday.

DeepSight:
Let's start from the Roman destruction of Jerusalem and the Jewish diaspora that followed.

Look, we can take it all the way back to Abraham from Ur of the Chaldeans if you prefer.

I am ready. Just be serious with me because it's a serious conversation. Thanks and happy Sunday.

Roman destruction of Jerusalem has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. It will only take us far into irrelevant stories. Abraham from Ur are just mere biblical stories of talking snakes and talking donkeys. I am not here to tell Bible stories.
There is a reason why I am particular about the reign of Hadrian. It is because that is exactly where the story of Palestine began.

Gbadebo19:
Roman destruction of Jerusalem has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. It will only take us far into irrelevant stories. Abraham from Ur are just mere biblical stories of talking snakes and talking donkeys. I am not here to tell Bible stories.
There is a reason why I am particular about the reign of Hadrian. It is because that is exactly where the story of Palestine began.

Seems you want to control the convesation on your terms. Just be specific.

I don't have the strength to argue back and forth. I want to write a proper thesis of this whole issue.

Stop playing games. Everyone knows what Hadrian did as Roman Emperor.

DeepSight:
I want to write a proper thesis of this whole issue.

And you want my contribution without acknowledging me in your thesis?
Am not arguing again. Goodbye