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FreeIgboho:
I can't believe you're actually saying this with a straight face. As a Christian you truly believe that when Jadas's mom was an unmarried young lady and a seer or prophet told her that her son would betray the Messiah, it was because the prophet did some calculations whereby the optimal choice was for him to betray Jesus?! Na wa 4 you o

Once again, Straw man!

The example of Peter cited shows his optimal choice fulfilled the prophecy! If I were to use this straw man, from where did you infer that it was the prophet that did the calculations?

I said an intelligent mind, presumably God, that can configure events to fulfill his words! The same way it was fulfilled about Jesus, the same was fulfilled on Peter along with all the fulfilled prophecies in the bible! It doesn't negate the freewill of the actors!

How is this hard for you to understand 🤨? I, can configure my wife to do things I want, how be it a wise omnipotent, infinite God? Even chess theory is totally against your argument!
Perhaps, I trapped my opponents knight at the edge of the board, does it negate his free will of moving his knight, kindly let us know?— He can't because it's not optimal, he only waits for some freeing moves if it exists! 🤨

FreeIgboho:
Thanks 4 helping out Mr Deepie. You forgot to remind him that these things were foretold hundreds of years b4 the actors were born, à la birth of the Messiah in a manger!

I don't know why we Christians find it so difficult to admit an obvious truth:
There's something about the combination of prophecy and freewill that simply just doesn't add up!


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Bro, i keep seeing my mention for this topic. It's not my business to argue whether Jesus is God or not.

Gabrielshow24:
Once again, Straw man!

The example of Peter cited shows his optimal choice fulfilled the prophecy! If I were to use this straw man, from where did you infer that it was the prophet that did the calculations?

I said an intelligent mind, presumably God, that can configure events to fulfill his words! The same way it was fulfilled about Jesus, the same was fulfilled on Peter along with all the fulfilled prophecies in the bible! It doesn't negate the freewill of the actors!

How is this hard for you to understand 🤨? I, can configure my wife to do things I want, how be it a wise omnipotent, infinite God? Even chess theory is totally against your argument!
Perhaps, I trapped my opponents knight at the edge of the board, does it negate his free will of moving his knight, kindly let us know?— He can't because it's not optimal, he only waits for some freeing moves if it exists! 🤨

My bros I'll give u a slack because it seems u honestly don't understand.
You trapped your opponent's knight at the edge years before he was born and the chessboard built!😅
Get it now?

Can't you see that. Just as in that video clip, they're probably NOT foretelling the future - but simply saying things that somehow have ALREADY happened, but we're not aware they have already happened!
I suspect somehow all this has already happened in a different world and simply repeating exactly as before - and that's what they're tapping into

Gabrielshow24:
Yeah

Ehen! That is why we are on the same page. You understand the issues. The boy just can't get it

Anybody knows why MaxInDHouse deleted all his 43 topics and all his posts?
Maybe he quit JW or got disfellowshiped or something.
I pray he's ok.



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FreeIgboho:
My bros I'll give u a slack because it seems u honestly don't understand.
You trapped your opponent's knight at the edge years before he was born and the chessboard built!😅
Get it now?...

If you are in a trap you can't move. And then you can say that the person had no freewill.

But not when your opponent was given the same opportunity of making every move on the board as the Victor, yet the opponent was beaten. That person cannot claim he has no freewill.

And it is still the same as when Kasparov says "I will beat you in 6 moves". As seen none of his opponents claimed they did not have freewill.

Omo! See Ban posts. This is the most I have seen in this Nairaland. Those banned comments look like 30.

This reminds me.

FreeIgboho:
My bros I'll give u a slack because it seems u honestly don't understand.
You trapped your opponent's knight at the edge years before he was born and the chessboard built!😅
Get it now?

Can't you see that. Just as in that video clip, they're probably NOT foretelling the future - but simply saying things that somehow have ALREADY happened, but we're not aware they have already happened!
I suspect somehow all this has already happened in a different world and simply repeating exactly as before - and that's what they're tapping into

This has really become redundant! In the variations of chess, even before men play it—there are variations that lead exactly to this! So what exactly is your point?

Even before the game is played, theoretically there are variations that lead to one's knight being trapped but it's the free will of the chess players to actually realize it over the board! What aspect of this is also hard for you?

Let me use syzygy tables as an example for you! Syzygy tables contain solved analysis of 1-7 chess pieces(endgame) irrespective of the position on board! Does it mean if one of this position occurs over the board that it negates the free will of the players that realized such? No!

Once more, brother. The fact you refused to comment on Peter's case shows you have made a dogmatic conclusion on the matter and whatever I say won't change that! Such opinions are debilitating to younger christians, not properly seasoned in the word!

Dtruthspeaker:
Omo! See Ban posts. This is the most I have seen in this Nairaland. Those banned comments look like 30.

This reminds me.

Wetin do brother Max. Ah, this one muzz me. Even us wey dey use sarcasm and slightly veiled in-sult(s) no get ban reach this😂!

Gabrielshow24:
Wetin do brother Max. Ah, this one muzz me. Even us wey dey use sarcasm and slightly veiled in-sult(s) no get ban reach this😂!

O na Max na im dem hammer like dis?

Gabrielshow24:
This has really become redundant! In the variations of chess, even before men play it—there are variations that lead exactly to this! So what exactly is your point?

Even before the game is played, theoretically there are variations that lead to one's knight being trapped but it's the free will of the chess players to actually realize it over the board! What aspect of this is also hard for you?

Let me use syzygy tables as an example for you! Syzygy tables contain solved analysis of 1-7 chess pieces(endgame) irrespective of the position on board! Does it mean if one of this position occurs over the board that it negates the free will of the players that realized such? No!

Once more, brother. The fact you refused to comment on Peter's case shows you have made a dogmatic conclusion on the matter and whatever I say won't change that! Such opinions are debilitating to younger christians, not properly seasoned in the word!

My dear brother you are talking gibrish!😅
And you keep talking of this Peter's case and I haven't really focused on it. Are you saying God didn't know Peter would deny Jesus or what? Please elaborate.
Anyway, know this - there is NO WAY you can know if a particular person will even be born (his father could use his fee will to decide not sex that day) or if he would be into playing chess at all, talkless of what particular move he'd make on a particular chess board years before his birth!😂

FreeIgboho:
My dear brother you are talking gibrish!😅
And you keep talking of this Peter's case and I haven't really focused on it. Are you saying God didn't know Peter would deny Jesus or what? Please elaborate.
Anyway, know this - there is NO WAY you can know if a particular person will even be born (his father could use his fee will to decide not sex that day) or if he would be into playing chess at all, talkless of what particular move he'd make on a particular chess board years before his birth!😂

As regards Peter, My concern is not on God not knowing but on Peter having free will that fulfilled God's words, they are two different things completely and you keep drawing straws to prove some non-existent mangekyo-esque theory of no free will!

I can know, the same way people know what window to have sex in—Provided, all things else are equal. Likewise the key thing you failed to accomodate is that Peter's actions were configured the same way, I can make someone be born by configuring actions that will result in such. I can for instance use aphrodisiac on them both, I can tip the presumed Father of the unborn child's drink with Viagra, I can lock them both up in the same room, I can do more to ensure that they have relations within the woman's window! With my end goal being the creation of a child, I am not even Interested in whatsoever the unborn child is later named, I am just interested in actualizing my end goal of bringing such a person to this world!

Now you tell me, if an higher being cannot do all these and more that will result in them fulfilling his will or words!

You are wrong, human conditioning doesn't negate free will!

Ruke1990:
We concluded that Jesus is God. The Jehovah's witnesses here on nairaland were unable to disprove it or argue further because the evidences were too many with plenty sophisticated verses from the scripture. Here is the thread below:

https://www.nairaland.com/8420353/jesus-god-why-did-he

Towards the end, the JW team fled. They stopped responding because they were rendered speechless

Go and read and become speechless. If you you feel you can say anything just answer the question below or return to speechless mode.

https://www.nairaland.com/8473507/one-god-father-trinity-false

See here and answer this with options A or B copied out as your answer. Follow this instruction. You can add your own statement after. If you reject Both A and B or run away then you have rejected Christ's word.

John 17:3 NIrV
[3] And what is eternal life? It is knowing you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Revelation 3:12 NIV
[12] The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name.


1. From the scriptures above, do you believe and accept that the Father is the only true God and that the Father is the God of Jesus Christ as Jesus said?

Option:

A. I believe and accept

B. I don't believe and I reject it because he is not correct


Remember to follow instruction and copy out your answer from the given options. You can flee now or disappear if you wish.


And all trinitarian should answer this question if you are not scared of me. Yes I know. Answer my question if you think otherwise.

I am Boomark of God. The great slayer of those who have rejected Christ.

Boomark:
Go and read and become speechless. If you you feel you can say anything just answer the question below or return to speechless mode.

https://www.nairaland.com/8473507/one-god-father-trinity-false

See here and answer this with options A or B copied out as your answer. Follow this instruction. You can add your own statement after. If you reject Both A and B or run away then you have rejected Christ's word.

John 17:3 NIrV
[3] And what is eternal life? It is knowing you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Revelation 3:12 NIV
[12] The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name.


1. From the scriptures above, do you believe and accept that the Father is the only true God and that the Father is the God of Jesus Christ as Jesus said?

Option:

A. I believe and accept

B. I don't believe and I reject it because he is not correct


Remember to follow instruction and copy out your answer from the given options. You can flee now or disappear if you wish.


And all trinitarian should answer this question if you are not scared of me. Yes I know. Answer my question if you think otherwise.

I am Boomark of God. The great slayer of those who have rejected Christ.

You must show us how this in any disproves Jesus' divine nature and substance? 🤨

It's like saying because Messi called Maradona the goat that it negates the 🐐-like characteristics of Messi! 🤨

Make it make sense!
This is what happens to people that fail to take context into view!

Gabrielshow24:
As regards Peter, My concern is not on God not knowing but on Peter having free will that fulfilled God's words, they are two different things completely and you keep drawing straws to prove some non-existent mangekyo-esque theory of no free will!

I can know, the same way people know what window to have sex in—Provided, all things else are equal. Likewise the key thing you failed to accomodate is that Peter's actions were configured the same way, I can make someone be born by configuring actions that will result in such. I can for instance use aphrodisiac on them both, I can tip the presumed Father of the unborn child's drink with Viagra, I can lock them both up in the same room, I can do more to ensure that they have relations within the woman's window! With my end goal being the creation of a child, I am not even Interested in whatsoever the unborn child is later named, I am just interested in actualizing my end goal of bringing such a person to this world!

Now you tell me, if an higher being cannot do all these and more that will result in them fulfilling his will or words!

You are wrong, human conditioning doesn't negate free will!

You know, I can't believe someone is actually arguing this. PROBABILITY IS NOT CERTAINTY!!!
The prophets didn't prophesy the coming of God the Son and his being from Bethlehem and born in a manger based on some calculations and algorithms. They see something happening and they tell you what they see. They're not mathematicians calculating probability!

I don't know what your definition of freewill is, which is why I keep referencing the clip. Does the guy have freewill?? Nooo, because the oracle already knows with certainty what he'd do - not because of any calculations but because he had already made the choice and the oracle somehow knows what he chose! If the oracle knew it because he was constrained to only make one choice - that's still tantamount to having no freewill!!!

As for Peter, I don't know why you keep talking about straws. Jesus told Peter with all certainty he'd deny him exactly 3 times and in your opinion Peter denied him exactly three times because Jesus made calculations that Peter must use his will to obey! That sounds really smart, doesn't it?Na wa for you o

FreeIgboho:
You know, I can't believe someone is actually arguing this. PROBABILITY IS NOT CERTAINTY!!!
The prophets didn't prophesy the coming of God the Son and his being from Bethlehem and born in a manger based on some calculations and algorithms. They see something happening and they tell you what they see. They're not mathematicians calculating probability!

I don't know what your definition of freewill is, which is why I keep referencing the clip. Does the guy have freewill?? Nooo, because the oracle already knows with certainty what he'd do - not because of any calculations but because he had already made the choice and the oracle somehow knows what he chose! If the oracle knew it because he was constrained to only make one choice - that's still tantamount to having no freewill!!!

As for Peter, I don't know why you keep talking about straws. Jesus told Peter with all certainty he'd deny him exactly 3 times and in your opinion Peter denied him exactly three times because Jesus made calculations that Peter must use his will to obey! That sounds very smart! Na wa for you o

Any sane person can see you are still drawing straws. I didn't say Jesus used calculations. I said an intelligent mind configured circumstances that warranted his optimal choice!

To cut this back and forth, Did Peter have free will or not? Maybe this will help you think!
Nowhere did I say the prophets prophesied based on calculations! My argument is not hinged on the prophets but rather on the actor's free will to fulfill such prophecies! Along with the prerogative of the intelligent mind to make the actor fulfill His words!

I gave examples such as Saul, Jesus, Peter among others to sell my point but still you didn't get it! Did Saul have free will? Did Jesus have free will? Did Peter have free will? Let us know wise one!

Having one choice is also not the same as not having free will! Let that sink in!

Gabrielshow24:
You must show us how this in any disproves Jesus' divine nature and substance? 🤨

It's like saying because Messi called Maradona the goat that it negates the 🐐-like characteristics of Messi! 🤨

Make it make sense!
This is what happens to people that fail to take context into view!

There is no context that will change the fact that the Father is the only true God. There no context that will change the fact that Christ is the holy servant of God. There is no context that will change the fact that our God is his God. He said all these by himself.

The work of your context is to twist what he said.


Let those who think they are capable answer the question. They will just see how they oppose the words of Jesus Christ. They don't belong to him all those who reject his sayings.


John 12:47-50 NIV
[47] “If anyone hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge that person. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world. [48] There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day. [49] For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken. [50] I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.”

Continue looking for context to reject his words. Satan and the antichrist are happy.

Gabrielshow24:
Any sane person can see you are still drawing straws. I didn't say Jesus used calculations. I said an intelligent mind configured circumstances that warranted his optimal choice!

To cut this back and forth, Did Peter have free will or not? Maybe this will help you think!
Nowhere did I say the prophets prophesied based on calculations! My argument is not hinged on the prophets but rather on the actor's free will to fulfill such prophecies! Along with the prerogative of the intelligent mind to make the actor fulfill His words!

I gave examples such as Saul, Jesus, Peter among others to sell my point but still you didn't get it! Did Saul have free will? Did Jesus have free will? Did Peter have free will? Let us know wise one!

Having one choice is also not the same as not having free will! Let that sink in!

My good brother I can now see where the problem lies - it lies in definitions. By your definition anything a person does is free will as long as it is not something automatic. But that is NOT the generally accepted definition of freewill.
As you can see from the below, an action predetermined by constraints is, by definition, NOT by freewill.
I think that about clears that up.

Dtruthspeaker:
If you are in a trap you can't move. And then you can say that the person had no freewill.

But not when your opponent was given the same opportunity of making every move on the board as the Victor, yet the opponent was beaten. That person cannot claim he has no freewill.

And it is still the same as when Kasparov says "I will beat you in 6 moves". As seen none of his opponents claimed they did not have freewill.

You don't understand what he's saying. He's basically saying that anything anybody does is freewill as long as it is not automatic. But that is not the generally accepted definition of freewill. See my screen shot above - an action predetermined by constraints is, by definition, NOT by freewill.

Boomark:
There is no context that will change the fact that the Father is the only true God. There no context that will change the fact that Christ is the holy servant of God. There is no context that will change the fact that our God is his God. He said all these by himself.

The work of your context is to twist what he said.


Let those who think they are capable answer the question. They will just see how they oppose the words of Jesus Christ. They don't belong to him all those who reject his sayings.


John 12:47-50 NIV
[47] “If anyone hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge that person. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world. [48] There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day. [49] For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken. [50] I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.”

Continue looking for context to reject his words. Satan and the antichrist are happy.

The context that changes it is that Jesus is the ONLY begotten Son of God, which is impossible because there is no mother. So "Son" here basically means "offshoot" of God, which of course is also God - which was also the decision unanimosly reached by some 300 bishops debating in Nicea for a month!

Read the OP for other reasons why he has to be God.

Here are some other reasons:

John 1:1,: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

AND
John 14:9 “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

AND
Mathew 16
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.

AND
John 20:28
28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

AND
John 8
58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” 59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him... (for obviously claiming to be God)

AND
John 10:33,: "We are not stoning you for any good work," they replied, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God,"

AND
Mark 14,: Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”
62 “I am,” said Jesus...
63 The high priest tore his clothes. “Why do we need any more witnesses?”
(Here again Jesus uses the divine "I am"}

If you honestly study the whole Bible with an open heart, it will gradually dawn on you as it dawned on those 300 bishops and on the apostles themselves: This is God!

The circled below is scientific proof that freewill is an illusion - your mind is made up before you are aware your mind is made up. Which perfectly explains addictions!


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FreeIgboho:
You don't understand what he's saying. He's basically saying that anything anybody does is freewill as long as it is not automatic. But that is not the generally accepted definition of freewill. See my screen shot above - an action predetermined by constraints is, by definition, NOT by freewill.

I agree 💯% with you. But from the argument I see that he does not understand free will at all and how, when and where it works because of his conflicted mind

Dtruthspeaker:
I agree 💯% with you. But from the argument I see that he does not understand free will at all and how, when and where it works because of his conflicted mind

Exactly. To him everything is freewill except automatic things like sweating and such

FreeIgboho:
Exactly. To him everything is freewill except automatic things like sweating and such

Do you not know that the everything he is talking about refers to our voluntary doings and actions which are about 95% flowing from our freewill eg making your bed/making your bed very well, cleaning your house, going to school or work, quarrelling and abusing a soldier at the checkpoint etc?

Boomark:
There is no context that will change the fact that the Father is the only true God. There no context that will change the fact that Christ is the holy servant of God. There is no context that will change the fact that our God is his God. He said all these by himself.

The work of your context is to twist what he said.


Let those who think they are capable answer the question. They will just see how they oppose the words of Jesus Christ. They don't belong to him all those who reject his sayings.


John 12:47-50 NIV
[47] “If anyone hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge that person. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world. [48] There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day. [49] For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken. [50] I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.”

Continue looking for context to reject his words. Satan and the antichrist are happy.

As I have posited in a different thread, How does this diminish Christ's divine Essence?

It's expressly stated in the bible that Christ took on the form of flesh along with the biblical fact that he has the nature of God. The bible also adds that "in him dwells all the fullness of the deity".

Let us know with your special-waec-centred wisdom!

FreeIgboho:
You don't understand what he's saying. He's basically saying that anything anybody does is freewill as long as it is not automatic. But that is not the generally accepted definition of freewill. See my screen shot above - an action predetermined by constraints is, by definition, NOT by freewill.

This is not what I am saying. This is also a straw man! My discourse with you has two different fronts; the first front, an Intelligent mind configuring circumstances to fulfill his will/word while the second is the supposed inherent self-choice of the actor that fulfills the will!

The fact you shied away from providing a response to the simple question I queried some posts ago, shows you have made a conclusion! For the sake of educational research, what answer would you have provided using your "scientific theories on free will"? Did Peter have free will?

Gabrielshow24:
This is not what I am saying. This is also a straw man! My discourse with you has two different fronts; the first front, an Intelligent mind configuring circumstances to fulfill his will/word while the second is the supposed inherent self-choice of the actor that fulfills the will!

The fact you shied away from providing a response to the simple question I queried some posts ago, shows you have made a conclusion! For the sake of educational research, what answer would you have provided using your "scientific theories on free will"? Did Peter have free will?

My good Christian brother everything is not strawman! Infact you've invoked it so much I'm thinking you may not be aware of other logical fallacies.
See some listed below (Texas sharpshooter and no true Scotsman fallacies are not listed )
I thought I already answered that ridiculous question. Of course PETER HAD NO FREEWILL for crysake!! Someone told you in a few hours you'd do something you'd never normally do exactly 3 times, and you did exactly as they said, and you're still asking if it was freewill. What do you think free will is sef? I'm sure to you a hypnotized person has freewill too because he's choosing what to do!


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FreeIgboho:
My good Christian brother everything is not strawman! Infact you've invoked it so much I'm thinking you may not be aware of other fallacies.
See some listed below.
I thought I already answered that ridiculous question. Of course PETER HAD NO FREEWILL for crysake!! Someone told you in a few hours you'd do something you'd never normally do exactly 3 times, and you did exactly as they said, and you're still asking if it was freewill. What do you think free will is sef? I'm sure to you a hypnotized person has freewill too because he's choosing what to do!


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That's what I wanted to hear from you. I rest my case. Anybody would have resolved that the "fear of death" made Peter deny Christ—Circumstances! Not that he didn't have the free will to embrace it!

Straws is self explanatory because you have been misrepresentating my standpoint by giving ludicrous exemplifications of my stance! I am well aware of others and given our discussion, misrepresentation has been the reoccurring theme!

FreeIgboho:
My good Christian brother everything is not strawman! Infact you've invoked it so much I'm thinking you may not be aware of other fallacies.
See some listed below (Texas sharpshooter and no Scottsman fallacies are not listed )
I thought I already answered that ridiculous question. Of course PETER HAD NO FREEWILL for crysake!! Someone told you in a few hours you'd do something you'd never normally do exactly 3 times, and you did exactly as they said, and you're still asking if it was freewill. What do you think free will is sef? I'm sure to you a hypnotized person has freewill too because he's choosing what to do!


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Also, this topic has two fronts which also encapsulates human conditioning! In all my response I give replies to accommodate both! You only want to see "No free will". Peter chose to deny Jesus! Judas chose to betray Jesus! If then what you imply is true then there should be no consequences for Judas 🤨 after all he is following divine scripts. Jesus also pointed out something similar Matthew18:17,Luke17:1!

None of these negates the action of free will!
He chose to deny God and God almighty had already known that his present state wasn't enough to overcome!

Free will is a complex matter and your simplification is far-fetched!

Gabrielshow24:
Also, this topic has two fronts which also encapsulates human conditioning! In all my response I give replies to accommodate both! You only want to see "No free will". Peter chose to deny Jesus! Judas chose to betray Jesus! If then what you imply is true then there should be no consequences for Judas 🤨 after all he is following divine scripts. Jesus also pointed out something similar Matthew18:17,Luke17:1!

None of these negates the action of free will!
He chose to deny God and God almighty had already known that his present state wasn't enough to overcome!

Free will is a complex matter and your simplification is far-fetched!

Funny guy, you're the one simplifying freewill to mean whatever a person does and trying to force it into predestination.
I'm the one saying it's so complex the whole thing doesn't add up from our human perspective. A hypnotized person will think he has free will. But does he have freewill? Nope, he's under mind control! And though we can't go into his head, from his actions we know!

We can't go into Peter's head or anybody's head. But, as in the case of a hypnotized person, It's from their actions we can tell!

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Dtruthspeaker:
Omo! See Ban posts. This is the most I have seen in this Nairaland. Those banned comments look like 30.

This reminds me.

Actually they're not bans. That's why I wrote this before:
Anybody knows why MaxInDHouse deleted all his 43 topics and all his posts?
Maybe he quit JW or got disfellowshiped or something.
I pray he's ok.