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Re: Awujale’s Burial: Ifa Council To Take Ogun Govt To Court by Ofemannnu: 8:19pm On Jul 22, 2025
Node911:
Have you ever joined them in doing it, everything you know about it is through movies and word of mouth. Do gun kill people itself? No, people uses gun to kill people. Gun isn't demonise because it kills but we Africans can demonise something we are supposed to utilise to bring development.
We were told several times not to come out and stay indoors because oro wanted to come out.
Is that proper?
Re: Awujale’s Burial: Ifa Council To Take Ogun Govt To Court by adioolayi(m): 8:25pm On Jul 22, 2025
PrinceAsanike:
When was he named Sikiru? At birth or old age? It is glaring that traditionalists are becoming insane in their pursuit of their religion, but what amazes one is the stupidity of others queuing behind them just because it is a case against Islam. Many obas had died and buried in a Christian way, no one coughed.
Any Oba that has deviated from tradition is wrong...be it Christian or Muslim...as a fact, they are custodian of tradition and should not belong to any other "religion" of their stool as Traditional Identity.

We can't say same for Sultan of Sokoto, for example, because his stool has Muslim identity....so, the arguement is not about Christian or Muslim thing..

It's about giving what belongs to Cesar to Cesar ..

If you don't want to have anything to do with Traditionalists, especially Obaship in Yoruba land, move away from their stool.

As simple as ABC
Re: Awujale’s Burial: Ifa Council To Take Ogun Govt To Court by Mrexcell(m): 8:34pm On Jul 22, 2025
That's cannibalism na the dead king is only trying to liberate his people from cannibalism and barbarism the ifa adherents should find a way to modernise their culture this is the 21st century.
Re: Awujale’s Burial: Ifa Council To Take Ogun Govt To Court by Mrexcell(m): 8:36pm On Jul 22, 2025
ideatoprince18:
How will a king that is a custodian of his culture be buried according to a foreign culture and religion. It's a slap and a disrespect to the Yoruba culture.

But as usual, this is Nigeria and they can do nothing about it.
Cannibalism is no culture abeg it's not something to be proud of.
Re: Awujale’s Burial: Ifa Council To Take Ogun Govt To Court by ideatoprince18(m): 8:38pm On Jul 22, 2025
Mrexcell:
Cannibalism is no culture abeg it's not something to be proud of.
.... Yes tell that to the guys from harvesters colony of Ogun state
Re: Awujale’s Burial: Ifa Council To Take Ogun Govt To Court by adekolaelect(m): 8:43pm On Jul 22, 2025
GorillaApp:
This is a lost cause. If the late monarch left instructions on how he should be buried, nothing anyone can do about it.
he doesn't have any nonsense right to give after he enjoyed the sacrifices did for him and enjoyed the traditional entitlement he now realised that the foreign Religion is better than his culture he enjoyed to the fullest . The throne of king is not voted, not mixed purely traditional . I he knew he could not give them what they want why staying ,dinned and enjoyed the one he portray as bad and later thing his opinions and wishes is superior to the post he headed .
Re: Awujale’s Burial: Ifa Council To Take Ogun Govt To Court by integrity16(m): 8:51pm On Jul 22, 2025
Ofemannnu:
There is nothing like foreign religion,baba.
Those idolatry religions have lots of darkness that depict that they are devilish.
They do most of their activities in the dark and secretly.
Christianity and Islam are done in the open.
Does Islam not see Christianity as darkness? Does Christianity not see Islam as darkness?

You are tagging your traditional practice as darkness because an alternative foreign religion was imposed on you by your colonial master. All the religions see themselves as light while they tag others as darkness.

I am a Christian but I also believe that other people have the right to practice their religion without fear of intimidation.

Kingship is traditional and so anyone who accepts a kingship position in Yoruba land must subject himself to the traditional practices involved. They shouldn't be shifting goal post.
Re: Awujale’s Burial: Ifa Council To Take Ogun Govt To Court by Procashtips(m): 8:56pm On Jul 22, 2025
Yoruba no kuku respect their culture before, na noise and mouth dem get.

Tomorrow now, they'll be shouting omoluabi.

Omoluabi wey foreign culture and religion don overcome.
Re: Awujale’s Burial: Ifa Council To Take Ogun Govt To Court by Nobody: 9:19pm On Jul 22, 2025
Ofemannnu:
We were told several times not to come out and stay indoors because oro wanted to come out.
Is that proper?
Lol! When a new pope was to be appointed, did they allow you to enter to see what’s producing black smoke?
Re: Awujale’s Burial: Ifa Council To Take Ogun Govt To Court by Laid2001: 9:36pm On Jul 22, 2025
1. Belonging to a secret cault is an offence by Nigerian law.
2. The post of Oba is for the lineage of Obas. Only princes can become an Oba. Oba is not for a babalawo nor for an abore. Those are isese religious people.
3. Culture is different from religion. And even amongst the isese people they have different religion.
4. Babarity is not part of Yoruba's original culture. Because the Lukumi people predates all those people that were turned to Orisas. Oduduwa was never an Obatala, nor Sango nor Osun worshipers. He lived before them.! And Ifa was his friend so he didn't even worship ifa.!
5. All the culture of occultism crept into the traditions mostly by some previous Obas because whatever and Oba does becomes the tradition.
6. So, just as those traditions crept in or were started during one previous king or the other, they can be changed and replaced by an Oba.
7. By our tradition Oba makes law and start or stop a tradition as he may wish.!
8. By Yoruba tradition whatever an Oba wants, he gets. He is a god in his own right. So no one can challenge him.
9. Aujale didn't hide his instructions and wish to be buried as a Muslim. He has enforced right of religion amongst all ijebu obas for decades without a single challenge by all these cowards who couldn't face him while alive.! He has ensured several Obas were buried according to Christian and Muslim rights withing the Ijebu empire. And also he has allowed those obas who are isese people to be buried according to isese rights.!
Re: Awujale’s Burial: Ifa Council To Take Ogun Govt To Court by dododawa1: 10:20pm On Jul 22, 2025
The late king ate and drank with us, but in death, he turned his back on our customs
Re: Awujale’s Burial: Ifa Council To Take Ogun Govt To Court by Sirianese: 10:25pm On Jul 22, 2025
JuanDeDios:
Goodluck finding "people" who don't follow Christianity or Islam around here.

I don't think Mr Adetona had any problem with tradition per se. I think it's just some secret rituals that may involve beheadings that his majesty disagreed with. It's a good first step in my view. Takeaway from all this: The best way to preserve our traditions is to rid them of harmful practices that any person of good conscience and Omolutabi ethos is bound to have problems with. It's not too hard.
He's dead, there's nothing they can do with the corpse that could harm him in anyway...more to the point, he knew what the institution entailed, he went in there with his eyes open and spent all his life savoring the perks and privileges attached, but he found a way to doublecross the custodians and gyp them out of final rites required of him

People like him are the reason Nigeria is upside-down today, people whose words count for nothing except they're benefiting at the expense of the next guy. Hypocrites and sycophants.
Re: Awujale’s Burial: Ifa Council To Take Ogun Govt To Court by GorillaApp(m): 10:33pm On Jul 22, 2025
adekolaelect:
he doesn't have any nonsense right to give after he enjoyed the sacrifices did for him and enjoyed the traditional entitlement he now realised that the foreign Religion is better than his culture he enjoyed to the fullest . The throne of king is not voted, not mixed purely traditional . I he knew he could not give them what they want why staying ,dinned and enjoyed the one he portray as bad and later thing his opinions and wishes is superior to the post he headed .
Well that is how you view it but truth be told, the court will honour the wishes of a dying man ( will).
Re: Awujale’s Burial: Ifa Council To Take Ogun Govt To Court by KingOfPeaceJoy: 10:40pm On Jul 22, 2025
Likely true, but he heard the call (tradition and culture) and he Awujale accepted it. So bad for the king but who knows what he is face there now ?


GorillaApp:
This is a lost cause. If the late monarch left instructions on how he should be buried, nothing anyone can do about it.
Re: Awujale’s Burial: Ifa Council To Take Ogun Govt To Court by KingOfPeaceJoy: 10:42pm On Jul 22, 2025
Very well said.

I need more characters, please Seun over to you.

casualobserver:
this is the problem.

1) a law has been passed to allow traditional rulers to be buried according to their beliefs..that in itself is where the assault on our culture was committed.
2) traditional rulers are governed by state law

personally,
1) traditional rulers in Nigeria are a pointless institution. What traditions are they upholding, they communicate in English and have abandoned the traditional religions. they have no legal powers over their "domains" and are employees of the state. What exactly is the point of them if they cannot up[hold the tradions they are there to uphold?
2) you know what you are getting into when you become a king, if you are not ready for the consequences dont go there.

its not by force to be a King/Oba
Re: Awujale’s Burial: Ifa Council To Take Ogun Govt To Court by fineberry(m): 11:12pm On Jul 22, 2025
kingthreat:
The Oba had a right to be buried intact, not to be butchered in the name of traditional customs. .
Africa will move forward when we choose to leave behind some certain customs.
If European countries retained their pagan beliefs, I doubt if we would be rushing there in troops by now.
Really...is that how Oba's are buried. Butchering them⁉️
Re: Awujale’s Burial: Ifa Council To Take Ogun Govt To Court by Lifegoesonandon: 12:13am On Jul 23, 2025
adenigga:
Source: https://dailypost.ng/Awujales-burial-Ifa-council-to-take-Ogun-Govt-to-court
They want to use peoples' head to buy the late oba. Same way after the death of oluibadan, I have adviced people to avoid Ibadan because they would use head of innocent people to bury the oluibadan of Ibadan. Avoid Ibadan please. Useless custom and traditions.
Re: Awujale’s Burial: Ifa Council To Take Ogun Govt To Court by OgaTheTop2: 12:37am On Jul 23, 2025
RightChannel:
So IFA no get power to command his body to come out?

Make dem sue the ded King self, after eaten someone's heart, he don't want his own heart to be eating!
Awujale broke the bondage of heart eating. No more heart eating, period. Dying man's wish is final. smiley
Re: Awujale’s Burial: Ifa Council To Take Ogun Govt To Court by Shawarmagirl: 12:38am On Jul 23, 2025
ideatoprince18:
How will a king that is a custodian of his culture be buried according to a foreign culture and religion. It's a slap and a disrespect to the Yoruba culture.

But as usual, this is Nigeria and they can do nothing about it.
Do Yoruba has culture before? If they do, this won't have happened.
Re: Awujale’s Burial: Ifa Council To Take Ogun Govt To Court by OgaTheTop2: 12:39am On Jul 23, 2025
adioolayi:
It's well with our tradition..


You saw what an Oba entails...you decided to run the race, do all of the rites and became one..

You enjoyed the authority and all affluence attached to the throne...

You performed traditional rites and all..
Everything dey sweet you

When you come see say you are nearing old age and death is knocking, you used your position to change the goal post and severe the relationship with the tradition...you chose 'foreign' rites over traditional rites.

Well, this one is gone...the Afobaje's should ensure the next possible Awujale go sign agreement not to go against Tradition under any guise. This should be part of requirements.

If you can't sign this... It's not by force...leave Oba stool alone
Leave story bruh. A dying man's wish is final. smiley
Re: Awujale’s Burial: Ifa Council To Take Ogun Govt To Court by shotuns: 2:54am On Jul 23, 2025
Obas in Yoruba land are just custodians of Yoruba culture, gone re the days when they have that authority in Yoruba land and in Nigeria as a whole. Right now they 've been rendered useless except useful during elections periods to corner votes. If eventually go to court either in Nigeria or international court, they will still lose the case. Why?
Because it is on record that monarch system had been long abolished in 1963 when Nigeria became a republic, so this alone indicates the mandatory practice of burying a dead oba by isese way has no root unless they go by the UN chatter on the right of Indigenous people to practice their religion/culture without any interference but they can't also because the monarchy system had been abolished. Either way na loss.
We called upon them ( isese / obas to support the sovereignty of Yoruba land but they prefer to support Nigeria, politicians, elites oppressing their people through money politics, now Nigeria is happening to them. ELEDUMARE AREJODA!.
Re: Awujale’s Burial: Ifa Council To Take Ogun Govt To Court by JuanDeDios: 6:44am On Jul 23, 2025
Sirianese:
He's dead, there's nothing they can do with the corpse that could harm him in anyway...more to the point, he knew what the institution entailed, he went in there with his eyes open and spent all his life savoring the perks and privileges attached, but he found a way to doublecross the custodians and gyp them out of final rites required of him

People like him are the reason Nigeria is upside-down today, people whose words count for nothing except they're benefiting at the expense of the next guy. Hypocrites and sycophants.
He's legal person, king or not. Morally and legally, a person has the right to determine what you do with their body, so his family and the state government were right to follow his wishes.

Fair point that he knew what the institution was and enjoyed its perks, but he could argue that he only found out certain things after he was in. In any case, if he people of good conscience within our traditional institutions are beginning to find certain aspects of them repugnant to basic decency and good conscience and are trying to change things from within, I say carry go. Only those within can change the system and that's the only way our traditions can survive undergoing a baby and bathwater situation.
Re: Awujale’s Burial: Ifa Council To Take Ogun Govt To Court by ideatoprince18(m): 7:14am On Jul 23, 2025
Shawarmagirl:
Do Yoruba has culture before? If they do, this won't have happened.
Don't be an Irritant!!!!! .... They have and respect culture more than your tribe do.
Re: Awujale’s Burial: Ifa Council To Take Ogun Govt To Court by ceragon123: 7:19am On Jul 23, 2025
Which heart will the new Oba eat? If the new Oba does not eat the heart of the old Oba, it means everything changed. Everything!

Except they will go ahead and exhume the corpse and remove the heart, if it is still there o. I really feel for my Ijebu people. The late Oba did not try at all...

Nothing is as powerful as change after God almighty.




adioolayi:
It's well with our tradition..


You saw what an Oba entails...you decided to run the race, do all of the rites and became one..

You enjoyed the authority and all affluence attached to the throne...

You performed traditional rites and all..
Everything dey sweet you

When you come see say you are nearing old age and death is knocking, you used your position to change the goal post and severe the relationship with the tradition...you chose 'foreign' rites over traditional rites.

Well, this one is gone...the Afobaje's should ensure the next possible Awujale go sign agreement not to go against Tradition under any guise. This should be part of requirements.

If you can't sign this... It's not by force...leave Oba stool alone
Re: Awujale’s Burial: Ifa Council To Take Ogun Govt To Court by adioolayi(m): 7:37am On Jul 23, 2025
ceragon123:
Which heart will the new Oba eat? If the new Oba does not eat the heart of the old Oba, it means everything changed. Everything!

Except they will go ahead and exhume the corpse and remove the heart, if it is still there o. I really feel for my Ijebu people. The late Oba did not try at all...

Nothing is as powerful as change after God almighty.
These are very old myth, that the new Oba must eat the heart or any other part of the Oba's body. It's been debunked.

Take for instance, if the Old Oba passed on from a plane that crashed into the Ocean, will that stop the coronation of a new Obahuh The answer is NO.

So, that was an old myth and it has been debunked.. atleast in several Yoruba land
Re: Awujale’s Burial: Ifa Council To Take Ogun Govt To Court by RightChannel: 9:04am On Jul 23, 2025
OgaTheTop2:
Awujale broke the bondage of heart eating. No more heart eating, period. Dying man's wish is final. smiley
He tried
Re: Awujale’s Burial: Ifa Council To Take Ogun Govt To Court by kingthreat(m): 11:37am On Jul 23, 2025
fineberry:
Really...is that how Oba's are buried. Butchering them⁉️
Even worse, the ritual is very barbaric. That is why the Oba opted for burial according to his faith.
Re: Awujale’s Burial: Ifa Council To Take Ogun Govt To Court by kingthreat(m): 11:38am On Jul 23, 2025
osuofia2:
Did you witness the burial of Queen Elizabeth? If you don't want to be buried as a traditionalist, then don't get their kingship
The only thing constant in this world is change. Rigidity has never been in the interest of humanity.
Re: Awujale’s Burial: Ifa Council To Take Ogun Govt To Court by udeh3(m): 11:42am On Jul 23, 2025
adioolayi:
It's well with our tradition..


You saw what an Oba entails...you decided to run the race, do all of the rites and became one..

You enjoyed the authority and all affluence attached to the throne...

You performed traditional rites and all..
Everything dey sweet you

When you come see say you are nearing old age and death is knocking, you used your position to change the goal post and severe the relationship with the tradition...you chose 'foreign' rites over traditional rites.

Well, this one is gone...the Afobaje's should ensure the next possible Awujale go sign agreement not to go against Tradition under any guise. This should be part of requirements.

If you can't sign this... It's not by force...leave Oba stool alone
So, you're saying it's traditional to bury the late king with human head abi? I just pray none of your family member be a victim...

Our tradition should not be devilish or seek for human blood! How do you dismember a dead body into different parts and you call that a tradition. Tradition can be questioned and policies amended. With time, many traditions will be obsolete and they'll outlive their relevance once it's against humanity. Once upon a time in Delta State, there was a tradition that kill twins once they're born, I grew up there. Infact, a close relation of mine twin survived as when the wife was pregnant, then, no technology to know the gender, he Sha figured it somehow and took the wife to Benin, after years of delivery, he took the twin back to Delta State. This happened with fear, until this cultural law was challenged. Today, the twin are over 28yrs of age, handsome boys which could have been killed my the culture and tradition of the land

People make laws and people can changed it once it's against humanity and morality
Re: Awujale’s Burial: Ifa Council To Take Ogun Govt To Court by adioolayi(m): 11:56am On Jul 23, 2025
udeh3:
So, you're saying it's traditional to bury the late king with human head abi? I just pray none of your family member be a victim...

Our tradition should not be devilish or seek for human blood! How do you dismember a dead body into different parts and you call that a tradition. Tradition can be questioned and policies amended. With time, many traditions will be obsolete and they'll outlive their relevance once it's against humanity. Once upon a time in Delta State, there was a tradition that kill twins once they're born, I grew up there. Infact, a close relation of mine twin survived as when the wife was pregnant, then, no technology to know the gender, he Sha figured it somehow and took the wife to Benin, after years of delivery, he took the twin back to Delta State. This happened with fear, until this cultural law was challenged. Today, the twin are over 28yrs of age, handsome boys which could have been killed my the culture and tradition of the land

People make laws and people can changed it once it's against humanity and morality
Tradition and Culture are diversified...varying from one culture to the other.

While your tradition kills Twins as you claimed and as reported in some parts of Nigeria's history, giving Mary Slessor's account and her intervention in stopping the killings...Do you know that the same twins born in South West Nigeria were being celebrated and their mother becomes goddess especially if they are triplets. You can Google Igboora in Oyo State..the town with the most twins in the world!

What I am saying is, cultures are different , dismembering the parts of late King for rituals for a new King are myths..and it's not in our own Cultures anymore. Many Oba's have joined their ancestors in Yoruba land of recent, from Ooni, to Alaafia, to Soun, to Olubadan...did you hear anyone buried with themhuh

So, please, our tradition and culture are different...anyone not ready to follow tradition should stay clear of Obaship stool. It's for traditionalist and not Christians or Muslims.
Re: Awujale’s Burial: Ifa Council To Take Ogun Govt To Court by EzeCanada: 12:08pm On Jul 23, 2025
This matter tied wrapper o.

A wise King ate the heart of his predecessor for breakfast and japa-ed 🏃 to the other world. How we go come do am?
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