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FreeIgboho:
The context that changes it is that Jesus is the ONLY begotten Son of God, which is impossible because there is no mother. So "Son" here basically means "offshoot" of God, which of course is also God - which was also the decision unanimosly reached by some 300 bishops debating in Nicea for a month!

Read the OP for other reasons why he has to be God.

Here are some other reasons:

John 1:1,: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

AND
John 14:9 “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

AND
Mathew 16
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.

AND
John 20:28
28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

AND
John 8
58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” 59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him... (for obviously claiming to be God)

AND
John 10:33,: "We are not stoning you for any good work," they replied, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God,"

AND
Mark 14,: Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”
62 “I am,” said Jesus...
63 The high priest tore his clothes. “Why do we need any more witnesses?”
(Here again Jesus uses the divine "I am"}

If you honestly study the whole Bible with an open heart, it will gradually dawn on you as it dawned on those 300 bishops and on the apostles themselves: This is God!

All you have written here are off point. I have no business with 50 million bishops doing the work of the antichrist. Indirectly you are saying that what Jesus said is useless because of the context you manufactured. You don't even understand the few scriptures you posted and you are talking about reading the whole bible.


Show me the context that shows that what Jesus said is useless. Focus on the key points

1. The Father is the ONLY TRUE God. John 17:3

2. The Father IS HIS God. Rev 3:12

Show us scriptures that nullify his words.

Whatever you are showing should be able to tell us that the Father is NOT the only true God. That the Father is NOT his God. Any other thing outside this will be off point and off context.

I cannot ask you to me something about TRUTH and you start telling me about TROUSER.

FreeIgboho:
Actually they're not bans. That's why I wrote this before:
Anybody knows why MaxInDHouse deleted all his 43 topics and all his posts?
Maybe he quit JW or got disfellowshiped or something.
I pray he's ok.

He deleted his posts? I don't think so. Once you post you can't delete it again. Abi dem don put dat button?

FreeIgboho:
Funny guy, you're the one simplifying freewill to mean whatever a person does and trying to force it into predestination.
I'm the one saying it's so complex the whole thing doesn't add up from our human perspective. A hypnotized person will think he has free will. But does he have freewill? Nope, he's under mind control! And though we can't go into his head, from his actions we know!

We can't go into Peter's head or anybody's head. But, as in the case of a hypnotized person, It's from their actions we can tell!

At this point, there's no reason to press this conversation further. As I have said earlier you are impervious to scripture and just want to peddle this misleading information!

Pre-determination and free will go hand in hand. The hypnotized person will always enact his[b] free will [/b] irrespective of whether or not external observers can see he is hypnotized!

But We can all see he is hypnotized because his actions are not really his own, the same way Jesus prayed for forgiveness for the masses that killed him, knowing fully well that they are being pushed by external forces!

God's determinism and the person's free will go hand in hand! After all Jesus obeyed, Saul was giving an heart to obey etc.

Thanks for your scientific opinions, I rest my case. You can continue to believe that man doesn't have free will, with undertones of unaccountability, while I hold onto biblical belief!—The confluence of God's determinism and man's free will!

Gabrielshow24:
At this point, there's no reason to press this conversation further. As I have said earlier you are impervious to scripture and just want to peddle this misleading information!

Pre-determination and free will go hand in hand. The hypnotized person will always enact his[b] free will [/b] irrespective of whether or not external observers can see he is hypnotized!

But We can all see he is hypnotized because his actions are not really his own, the same way Jesus prayed for forgiveness for the masses that killed him, knowing fully well that they are being pushed by external forces!

God's determinism and the person's free will go hand in hand! After all Jesus obeyed, Saul was giving an heart to obey etc.

Thanks for your scientific opinions, I rest my case. You can continue to believe that man doesn't have free will, with undertones of unaccountability, while I hold onto biblical belief!—The confluence of God's determinism and man's free will!

Nice chatting with you. It's just a matter of HONESTY and admitting you don't have all the answers, instead of claiming to know then saying something everyone can see is ridiculously false.
From our perspective as human beings God can't already know what you will do, what you must do, and yet you have the freewill to choose to do it or not. It is IMPOSSIBLE from human perspective. It is either one or the other. And trying to twist words and things so that they are both somehow simultaneously true is called DISHONESTY!

Dtruthspeaker:
He deleted his posts? I don't think so. Once you post you can't delete it again. Abi dem don put dat button?

What else could have happened to them? Everything he ever posted couldn't have been deleted without his consent. I mean people delete their moniker all the time and it shows as
"nobody".

FreeIgboho:
Nice chatting with you. It's just a matter of HONESTY and admitting you don't have all the answers, instead of claiming to know then saying something everyone can see is ridiculously false.
From our perspective as human beings God can't already know what you will do, what you must do, and yet you have the freewill to choose to do it or not. It is IMPOSSIBLE from human perspective. It is either one or the other. And trying to twist words and things so that they are both somehow simultaneously true is called DISHONESTY!

For the umpteenth time, what you wrote up there is false! Chess Theory is against you! Theoretically, chess has billions of positions, positions a vast infinite intelligent mind can visualize (know) but your own choices determines your path!

Just because stockFish knows the best move that I am to play doesn't negate my free will. Likewise an infinite God will know all possible moves and end results that I can achieve in Go,still that doesn't negate my free will to place my tile anywhere on the board! How hard is this for anyone to understand? Good bye, have a nice day!

Dtruthspeaker:
He deleted his posts? I don't think so. Once you post you can't delete it again. Abi dem don put dat button?

There's no such button on the web app! Perhaps it might exist on other platforms. It's really strange. Have you also checked his second moniker? If it's the same then Janosky and his JW crew should be contacted along with reaching out to him through his email!

Gabrielshow24:
For the umpteenth time, what you wrote up there is false! Chess Theory is against you! Theoretically, chess has billions of positions, positions a vast infinite intelligent mind can visualize (know) but your own choices determines your path!

Just because stockFish knows the best move that I am to play doesn't negate my free will. Likewise an infinite God will know all possible moves and end results that I can achieve in Go,still that doesn't negate my free will to place my tile anywhere on the board! How hard is this for anyone to understand? Good bye, have a nice day!

You don't understand, it doesn't matter chess theory or how many billions of moves there are, if you can ONLY make one particular move at a particular given moment, you can't possibly have freewill. Freewill means you have the freedom to put that piece anywhere at that given moment, including throw it away!
Further, remember the underlined below as definition of freewill.

Gabrielshow24:
Likewise an infinite God will know all possible moves and end results that I can achieve in Go,still that doesn't negate my free will to place my tile anywhere on the board! How hard is this for anyone to understand? Good bye, have a nice day!

Does this statement make sense to you? An infinite God knows you MUST be at certain spot at 3pm today. It is part of His plan. Please explain how chess theory allows you to be another place at 3pm and thwart his plan!

Gabrielshow24:
There's no such button on the web app! Perhaps it might exist on other platforms. It's really strange. Have you also checked his second moniker? If it's the same then Janosky and his JW crew should be contacted along with reaching out to him through his email!

Well, he is speaking now

FreeIgboho:
Does this statement make sense to you? An infinite God knows you MUST be at certain spot at 3pm today. It is part of His plan. Please explain how chess theory allows you to be another place at 3pm and thwart his plan!

He has given only an overview and the big picture.

If he knew how God is always precise, would that not mean that he and God are mates?

As I said you have a haed issue.

And besides, this is a change of post for the topic is about the freewill of a player and not about how God makes His Moves.

FreeIgboho:
What else could have happened to them? Everything he ever posted couldn't have been deleted without his consent. I mean people delete their moniker all the time and it shows as
"nobody".

I heard people can no longer do that again.

Dtruthspeaker:
He has given only an overview and the big picture.

If he knew how God is always precise, would that not mean that he and God are mates?

As I said you have a haed issue.

And besides, this is a change of post for the topic is about the freewill of a player and not about how God makes His Moves.

Gabrielshow24:
Yeah

This is not a matter of too much grammar. Please calmly explain to us how God can know exactly where you MUST be at 3pm (you 100% can't be any place else), YET you can be any place else! So you can't be any place else, YET you can be any place else! Can't you see there's NOTHING you can say or twist to make it add up FROM HUMAN PERSPECTIVE??


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Dtruthspeaker:
I heard people can no longer do that again.

Maybe you're right. I haven't been seeing that "Nobody" lately

Dtruthspeaker:
I heard people can no longer do that again.

Gabrielshow24:
Yeah

How would you answer this below? I'm taking my time preparing an answer that will totally put the issue to rest

Boomark:
All you have written here are off point. I have no business with 50 million bishops doing the work of the antichrist. Indirectly you are saying that what Jesus said is useless because of the context you manufactured. You don't even understand the few scriptures you posted and you are talking about reading the whole bible.


Show me the context that shows that what Jesus said is useless. Focus on the key points

1. The Father is the ONLY TRUE God. John 17:3

2. The Father IS HIS God. Rev 3:12

Show us scriptures that nullify his words.

Whatever you are showing should be able to tell us that the Father is NOT the only true God. That the Father is NOT his God. Any other thing outside this will be off point and off context.

I cannot ask you to me something about TRUTH and you start telling me about TROUSER.

FreeIgboho:
This is not a matter of too much grammar. Please calmly explain to us how God can know exactly where you MUST be at 3pm (you 100% can't be any place else), YET you can be any place else! So you can't be any place else, YET you can be any place else! Can't you see there's NOTHING you can say or twist to make it add up FROM HUMAN PERSPECTIVE??


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Botragelad, isan, Fourthpredator,
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Can someone kindly explain to my christian brother that each decision forms a decision tree? An infinite decision tree which an infinite God can look upon to know exactly where you will be at 3pm depending on the choice you make!

It's not hard at all. Let's start from the basics.
Does God have any problem? Why is your answer so? Once you can genuinely answer both questions then you will see that in the context of determinism, God knows all(variations) but this in no way negates the free will of the actor!

Stockfish, in the context of chess, is familiar with all grandmaster positions and even more based on its self-learning, it's also used as a trainer for Super Gms to generate new ideas and strategies. This in no way negates the free will of GMs to deviate from open theory. Some Gms even play uncommon lines to take their opponents out of prep! This is also part of the reason that led Fischer to create chess960 to reduce the redundancy generated by memorization as some Gms were memorizing chess opening theory, 30moves deep!

Chess opening is there for all, you can go learn but it doesn't negate my prerogative to deviate from it. I can intentionally play sub-optimal moves that both myself and my opponent know it's not the best because I am aware my opponent doesn't know the refutation! —He has only memorized the optimal moves and their variations, he knows others are suboptimal but doesn't know why!

The Oracle of Daphne was known for using ambiguous statements to ensure irrespective of how the statement is taken, it always fulfills prophecy🤨 and that's coming from an human concept now imagine an infinite God, thus irrespective of whatsoever you choose he is aware of it!

FreeIgboho:
How would you answer this below? I'm taking my time preparing an answer that will totally put the issue to rest

I have replied him in other threads, all these sentiments doesn't negate Jesus divine Essence and Godship! Jesus said all these! He glorified his Father and by the way, no one was even arguing that "the Father was not greater than Jesus in Authority!".

He doesn't understand his own problem statement 😂!He just has this delusion that he is refuting trinity when the very notion of this implies he has to negate the Godship of Jesus! —Something he hasn't done but even affirmed in different posts!

Gabrielshow24:
I have replied him in other threads, all these sentiments doesn't negate Jesus divine Essence and Godship! Jesus said all these! He glorified his Father and by the way, no one was even arguing that "the Father was not greater than Jesus in Authority!".

He doesn't understand his own problem statement 😂!He just has this delusion that he is refuting trinity when the very notion of this implies he has to negate the Godship of Jesus! —Something he hasn't done but even affirmed in different posts!

So Mr Boomark what do you have to say about this? Dtruthspeaker also.
As for my prepared long response, I've decided to discard it and state only this one point:
You are taking the LIVING God (Father,Son, HS) out of the equation. Trinity doctrine would not have survived this long if God were not behind it. I know you'd mention other things that have also survived, but this is different - it pertains to God PERSONALLY. Same way Christianity could not be stamped out by Rome because God was behind it, same way Arianism was popular even after Nicea but eventually had to die because God was not behind it, the LIVING CHRIST is involved in these things and alive in people's lives. A lie about him personally would not have survived and thrived for this long.
The Bible is great, but it is still only words in a book - a book that has been handled and mishandled by many, many men for a long time!

Gabrielshow24:
Can someone kindly explain to my christian brother that each decision forms a decision tree? An infinite decision tree which an infinite God can look upon to know exactly where you will be at 3pm depending on the choice you make!

It's not hard at all. Let's start from the basics.
Does God have any problem? Why is your answer so? Once you can genuinely answer both questions then you will see that in the context of determinism, God knows all(variations) but this in no way negates the free will of the actor!

Stockfish, in the context of chess, is familiar with all grandmaster positions and even more based on its self-learning, it's also used as a trainer for Super Gms to generate new ideas and strategies. This in no way negates the free will of GMs to deviate from open theory. Some Gms even play uncommon lines to take their opponents out of prep! This is also part of the reason that led Fischer to create chess960 to reduce the redundancy generated by memorization as some Gms were memorizing chess opening theory, 30moves deep!

Chess opening is there for all, you can go learn but it doesn't negate my prerogative to deviate from it. I can intentionally play sub-optimal moves that both myself and my opponent know it's not the best because I am aware my opponent doesn't know the refutation! —He has only memorized the optimal moves and their variations, he knows others are suboptimal but doesn't know why!

The Oracle of Daphne was known for using ambiguous statements to ensure irrespective of how the statement is taken, it always fulfills prophecy🤨 and that's coming from an human concept now imagine an infinite God, thus irrespective of whatsoever you choose he is aware of it!

Bottom line: you can't answer the question and you're trying to camouflage with long chess goobblydygook.
So it is settled:
You CAN'T 100% MUST be at a certain place at a given time (you have no choice), and at same time 100% don't have to be there because you have freewill and can be any place you choose!

FreeIgboho:
This is not a matter of too much grammar. Please calmly explain to us how God knows where you MUST be at 3pm (you 100% can't be any place else), YET you can be any place else! So you can't be any place else, YET you can be any place else! Can't you see there's NOTHING you can say or twist to make it add up FROM HUMAN PERSPECTIVE??..

Told you this is Off Point/fallacy of demanding the impossible.

First the topic is understanding the operation of freewill and not "how God operates.

We are no different from our cars/phone and toys to us when compared to Him. So no human can answer that question accurately.

But the nearest I dare say in answer to the question is to say that it is crazy for the rook or castle or queen in the chessboard to imagine that it can play and win the Maker of the chessboard on that same chessboard.

FreeIgboho:
Bottom line: you can't answer the question and you're trying to camouflage with long chess goobblydygook.
So it is settled:
You CAN'T 100% MUST be at a certain place at a given time (you have no choice), and at same time 100% don't have to be there because you have freewill and can be any place you choose!

🤨 that's a simple way to put it. Have you taken exams before? 👀 Don't you have the choice to miss it? 🤨.

I used chess "gobbledygook" to exemplify the inherent agency of choice! I know many that have missed "a must attended venue by 3pm"!
I even knew one during my yesteryears as a student that missed a 3pm Exam because he got an emergency 🤨. What then are you saying? Can we not say that Divine Providence or Determinism made him miss it? The circumstances presented before him made him fulfill this "Divine Providence"!🤧

Do you understand? All your write-up keeps neglecting the agency of choice of the actor. In all, if Divine Determinism is in place, the "choices" will align with it not that the actor doesn't have free will! From Peter, to Jesus, to Jonah to this friend of mine that had to resit because of a family emergency! The choices they made fulfilled Divine Providence!

That just shows that God has an advanced means of configuring circumstances to match His words based on your actions!

Boomark:
Indirectly you are saying that what Jesus said is useless because of the context you manufactured.

Anytime I read something like this, I'll just laugh because the same you who accused people of ignoring Jesus statement is also doing the same thing.

You don't even understand the few scriptures you posted and you are talking about reading the whole bible.

He doesn't understand it.

Then who understands those scriptures?

Show me the context that shows that what Jesus said is useless. Focus on the key points

1. The Father is the ONLY TRUE God. John 17:3

2. The Father IS HIS God. Rev 3:12

You think these are points that refute Jesus being God but I tell you, they are not at all.

Why?

No one will deny that Jesus was on earth to teach man about God.

So, Jesus on earth calling The Father ONLY TRUE GOD or said The Father is His God is a way of teaching us how to relate with God.

I'm very sure you won't be able to answer this simple question.

If The Father is the ONLY TRUE GOD and the scripture says Jesus is God, does that mean Jesus is a FALSE GOD?

Show us scriptures that nullify his words.

Many scriptures are but take this.

John 5:23 "so that everyone will honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Anyone who does not honor the Son is certainly not honoring the Father who sent him."

Whatever you are showing should be able to tell us that the Father is NOT the only true God. That the Father is NOT his God. Any other thing outside this will be off point and off context.

What make God to be God?

Emusan:
Anytime I read something like this, I'll just laugh because the same you who accused people of ignoring Jesus statement is also doing the same thing.



He doesn't understand it.

Then who understands those scriptures?



You think these are points that refute Jesus being God but I tell you, they are not at all.

Why?

No one will deny that Jesus was on earth to teach man about God.

So, Jesus on earth calling The Father ONLY TRUE GOD or said The Father is His God is a way of teaching us how to relate with God.

I'm very sure you won't be able to answer this simple question.

If The Father is the ONLY TRUE GOD and the scripture says Jesus is God, does that mean Jesus is a FALSE GOD?



Many scriptures are but take this.

John 5:23 "so that everyone will honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Anyone who does not honor the Son is certainly not honoring the Father who sent him."



What make God to be God?

Well said brother, this is a question that has "plagued" them all. From gohf that used months to avoid it to Janosky among others! They can't give a definition without contradicting their stance!

Also, don't hold him in high intellectual esteem!

FreeIgboho:
So Mr Boomark what do you have to say about this? Dtruthspeaker also.
As for my prepared long response, I've decided to discard it and state only this one point:
You are taking the LIVING God (Father,Son, HS) out of the equation. Trinity doctrine would not have survived this long if God were not behind it. I know you'd mention other things that have also survived, but this is different - it pertains to God PERSONALLY. Same way Christianity could not be stamped out by Rome because God was behind it, same way Arianism was popular even after Nicea but eventually had to die because God was not behind it, the LIVING CHRIST is involved in these things and alive in people's lives. A lie about him personally would not have survived and thrived for this long.
The Bible is great, but it is still only words in a book - a book that has been handled and mishandled by many, many men for a long time!

What do you want me to answer? The person you quoted is a great twister of something written in black and white.

Emusan:
Anytime I read something like this, I'll just laugh because the same you who accused people of ignoring Jesus statement is also doing the same thing.



He doesn't understand it.

Then who understands those scriptures?



You think these are points that refute Jesus being God but I tell you, they are not at all.

Why?

No one will deny that Jesus was on earth to teach man about God.

So, Jesus on earth calling The Father ONLY TRUE GOD or said The Father is His God is a way of teaching us how to relate with God.

I'm very sure you won't be able to answer this simple question.

If The Father is the ONLY TRUE GOD and the scripture says Jesus is God, does that mean Jesus is a FALSE GOD?



Many scriptures are but take this.

John 5:23 "so that everyone will honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Anyone who does not honor the Son is certainly not honoring the Father who sent him."



What make God to be God?

Bro I am tired of people telling what they think from their own minds. I use scriptures alone.

If you can't agree to what Jesus said in 2 different scriptures then you have no business saying anything about him.

Go to the question I asked and answered A or B. If you think he is not right, then chose B and state your reasons. Don't dodge the question and come behind to tell me what you think because you are afraid.

Boomark:
Bro I am tired of people telling what they think from their own minds. I use scriptures alone.

If you can't agree to what Jesus said in 2 different scriptures then you have no business saying anything about him.

Go to the question I asked and answered A or B. If you think he is not right, then chose B and state your reasons. Don't dodge the question and come behind to tell me what you think because you are afraid.

I can see, you can't openly declare your stand if Jesus is a FALSE GOD or not.

I answered your questions but you dodged mine.
We're saying the same thing.

Do you agree with Jesus on this or is this my own word?

"so that everyone will honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Anyone who does not honor the Son is certainly not honoring the Father who sent him." - John 5:23

And my question still remains, what makes God to be God?

Gabrielshow24:
🤨 that's a simple way to put it. Have you taken exams before? 👀 Don't you have the choice to miss it? 🤨.

I used chess "gobbledygook" to exemplify the inherent agency of choice! I know many that have missed "a must attended venue by 3pm"!
I even knew one during my yesteryears as a student that missed a 3pm Exam because he got an emergency 🤨. What then are you saying? Can we not say that Divine Providence or Determinism made him miss it? The circumstances presented before him made him fulfill this "Divine Providence"!🤧

Do you understand? All your write-up keeps neglecting the agency of choice of the actor. In all, if Divine Determinism is in place, the "choices" will align with it not that the actor doesn't have free will! From Peter, to Jesus, to Jonah to this friend of mine that had to resit because of a family emergency! The choices they made fulfilled Divine Providence!

That just shows that God has an advanced means of configuring circumstances to match His words based on your actions!

Like I've said before, we can't go into anybody's head and see if they truly have freewill. We can only infer from what we observe.
If a hypnotist has a subject conditioned to jump every time he hears a whistle, the subject could very well have fee will and be doing it intentionally, but we observing will have to conclude he's under mind control.

Same way, if Peter is told he'd do what he would never normally do, exactly 3 times in a few hours. He could very well have done it intentionally, or "circumstances could have been configured to match his actions", but we observing will have to conclude he was under some sort of mind control, or he was acting out what had somehow already happened (as in that my clip).

So, same way, we don't know how God does his thing. It could very well be he "has an advanced means of configuring circumstances to match his words based on your actions" like you said, or he bends the whole world to match whatever you do, or you always find out what he predetermined and then use your free will to do it. All good and well, but we as observers see it as what it most likely is - your choices are not truly your own!


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FreeIgboho:
Like I've said before, we can't go into anybody's head and see if they truly have freewill. We can only infer from what we observe.
If a hypnotist has a subject conditioned to jump every time he hears a whistle, the subject could very well have fee will and be doing it intentionally, but we observing will have to conclude he's under mind control.

Same way, if Peter is told he'd do what he would never normally do, exactly 3 times in a few hours. He could very well have done it intentionally, or "circumstances could have been configured to match his actions", but we observing will have to conclude he was under some sort of mind control, or he was acting out what had somehow already happened (as in that my clip).

So, same way, we don't know how God does his thing. It could very well be he "has an advanced means of configuring circumstances to match his words based on your actions" like you said, or he bends the whole world to match whatever you do, or you always find out what he predetermined and then use your free will to do it. All good and well, but we as observers see it as what it most likely is - your choices are not truly your own!


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I partly agree with your submissions but I will like if you can kindly define "mind control" before I give my candid reply. You seem to appeal to an external observer🤨 and you are also displaying actor-observer asymmetry along with observer bias!

Gabrielshow24:
Well said brother, this is a question that has "plagued" them all. From gohf that used months to avoid it to Janosky among others! They can't give a definition without contradicting their stance!

Also, don't hold him in high intellectual esteem!

That is very true.

Reason you see them randomly jumping from one scripture to another without establishing a point.

I remember when @gohf acknowledged that only God is Alpha and Omega when I then pointed his attention to Revelation where Jesus addressed Himself as Alpha and Omega. His story changed.

Gabrielshow24:
I partly agree with your submissions but I will like if you can kindly define "mind control" before I give my candid reply. You seem to appeal to an external observer🤨 and you are also displaying actor-observer asymmetry along with observer bias!

It's written right there. Your choices are NOT truly your own though you'd swear they are - as in a hypnotized person