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Lucifyre:
Lol! This is the kind of amazing false equivalence only a true genius could come up with. "My social media post has an author, so the universe must have a cosmic content creator." Truly bulletproof logic, savant sir.

Because obviously, a human-built, documented, and publicly maintained system like the internet, created by people we literally know by name and have interviewed, is abs totally the same as the universe, which has… none of that. No observable creators, no manual, no GitHub repo in the sky, and sadly, no LinkedIn profile. Wow!

But wait o it must be true because a contradictory and inconsistent book written by illiterate desert peasants with no clue to how the world works, from the most primitive part of the world tells me so. Ergo, it is. AMazing! 😁

Next you’ll tell me gravity was invented by Apple because your iPhone falls when you drop it. Your genius is beyond me, kind sir. I'm taking notes. Actually… now that I think about it, like the web, shouldn’t we have creators instead of a creator? I want to learn.

Great logic Stephen Hawking.
Next time we see any object in the street with no known, traceable owner, no documentation, it simply means it existed there all by itself just because it wanted to. Hmmm, deep.
We see isolated, depreciated artifact in the wild and instantly concluded it definitely once had an owner, though unknown and untraceable, then further use it to construct the possible owner and all other details from this tiny artifact but it's so impossible to do the same for this vast, active universe. The joke here is obvious and a deliberate act of playing dvmb.
@bolded, this is so appropriate. That's the ridiculous routes taken when some jokers try hard to explain how the universe exits without a creator.

Magnificenttop:
Great logic Stephen Hawking.
Next time we see any object in the street with no known, traceable owner, no documentation, it simply means it existed there all by itself just because it wanted to. Hmmm, deep.
We see isolated, depreciated artifact in the wild and instantly concluded it definitely once had an owner, though unknown and untraceable, then further use it to construct the possible owner and all other details from this tiny artifact but it's so impossible to do the same for this vast, active universe. The joke here is obvious and a deliberate act of playing dvmb.
@bolded, this is so appropriate. That's the ridiculous routes taken when some jokers try hard to explain how the universe exits without a creator.

Oh savant sir, I’ve already said I don’t speak Christianese, nor do I have the required experience in ironic circular logic to operate at your genius level. But still, I managed to learn a few things.

For example: a man-made artifact carved from stone is exactly the same as a naturally occurring stone — no difference at all, no way to tell at all. That’s how science works now, apparently. Also, the universe has owners(not owner), they play hide n seek and those owners have owners, and so on forever, but not to worry, it’s not infinite regress when you finally reach the one you like or were indoctrinated with.

And thirdly, the alleged creators are all in a cosmic fistfight over who gets the blue checkmark as the true originator, which somehow validates the claim instead of discrediting it. Brilliant. Also learnt are that you can disprove a negative(here I come bigfoot and aliens). Difficult lessons but I learned. Thank you for breaking down such complex, ironic circular logic into bite-sized fallacies for us laypeople. I’ll be nominating you for a Nobel prize, you deserve it.

Lucifyre:
Oh savant sir, I’ve already said I don’t speak Christianese, nor do I have the required experience in ironic circular logic to operate at your genius level. But still, I managed to learn a few things.

For example: a man-made artifact carved from stone is exactly the same as a naturally occurring stone — no difference at all, no way to tell at all. That’s how science works now, apparently. Also, the universe has owners(not owner), they play hide n seek and those owners have owners, and so on forever, but not to worry, it’s not infinite regress when you finally reach the one you like or were indoctrinated with.

And thirdly, the alleged creators are all in a cosmic fistfight over who gets the blue checkmark as the true originator, which somehow validates the claim instead of discrediting it. Brilliant. Also learnt are that you can disprove a negative(here I come bigfoot and aliens). Difficult lessons but I learned. Thank you for breaking down such complex, ironic circular logic into bite-sized fallacies for us laypeople. I’ll be nominating you for a Nobel prize, you deserve it.

Circular logic, says one of those who avoid straightforward, crystal clear discussions but hide under endless, meaningless terminologies to validate their counterintuitive arguments. More like making illogical babbling look appealing and great.
A carved, monolithic stone tool is not the same as the original, raw stone.
Owner/owners, creator/creators, cosmic fistfight or not, that's not the issue here. The issue rn is that there is or there are.

A creator simply creating a universe is endless regression but no-creator gives a perfect fix? Uninformed atheists don't realize the side that stand pose way more challenges. They keep invoking science like it's a magic wand. Genuine science is just neutral knowledge that belongs to every and anyone, it never contradicts a creator in anyway nor has any opinion of such.
The universe is too vast and too complex while our knowledge is too limited. Even, the little science we brag about face more questions than answers and again sometimes become invalid with new findings. Yet if we get any little success, what it points at is the necessary intervention of intelligent mind, design and intention behind everything. No way out, it's impossible mission.

Magnificenttop:
Circular logic, says one of those who avoid straightforward, crystal clear discussions but hide under endless, meaningless terminologies to validate their counterintuitive arguments. More like making illogical babbling look appealing and great.
A carved, monolithic stone tool is not the same as the original, raw stone.
Owner/owners, creator/creators, cosmic fistfight or not, that's not the issue here. The issue rn is that there is or there are.

A creator simply creating a universe is endless regression but no-creator gives a perfect fix? Uninformed atheists don't realize the side that stand pose way more challenges. They keep invoking science like it's a magic wand. Genuine science is just neutral knowledge that belongs to every and anyone, it never contradicts a creator in anyway nor has any opinion of such.
The universe is too vast and too complex while our knowledge is too limited. Even, the little science we brag about face more questions than answers and again sometimes become invalid with new findings. Yet if we get any little success, what it points at is the necessary intervention of intelligent mind, design and intention behind everything. No way out, it's impossible mission.

All these to say I learned well and the creators are the best hide n seek players ever. Got it 👊🏽

Lucifyre:
All these to say I learned well and the creators are the best hide n seek players ever. Got it 👊🏽

Well, if I created this kind of universe, i'd also do the same. The universe speaks for itself, there's nothing left to say or see again here.
Call it engineering marvel, you discover it's way more. More than sculptural feat, more than structural excellence, more than a masterpiece, more than aesthetics, more than arts, more than extreme functionality, more than peak intelligence, more than design, more than complex, more than vast. It's everything and way more than everything. It's pure miracle. Zoom in or zoom out the universe, you continue to see endless wonders, marvels and it only keeps getting more puzzling and crazzier each passing moment.
Anyone who claims no creator really deserves the hide and seek game because that's the height of insincerity, self-deception, denial, falsehood and unfairness.

Magnificenttop:

Well, if I created this kind of universe, i'd also do the same. The universe speaks for itself, there's nothing left to say or see again here.
Call it engineering marvel, you discover it's way more. More than sculptural feat, more than structural excellence, more than a masterpiece, more than aesthetics, more than arts, more than extreme functionality, more than peak intelligence, more than design, more than complex, more than vast. It's everything and way more than everything. It's pure miracle. Zoom in or zoom out the universe, you continue to see endless wonders, marvels and it only keeps getting more puzzling and crazzier each passing moment.
Anyone who claims no creator really deserves the hide and seek game because that's the height of insincerity, self-deception, denial, falsehood and unfairness.

🥱 Epistle upon epistle, yet still no substance, savant sir. But I must say, it's a brilliant strategy. Imaginary creators and beings that exist solely in the minds of those convinced they're real… and somehow, that belief becomes so intense they argue, despise, and even kill each other over whose invisible friend wins the cosmic hide and seek game.

Even more impressive, followers of the same imaginary being manage to split into warring camps over who’s interpreting the fiction correctly. A true circus act. You definitely deserve that Nobel Prize. When’s the peer-reviewed study coming out, sir? We should title "I don't know or understand ergo my favourite imaginary friend did it". What do you think 😄.

Lucifyre:
🥱 Epistle upon epistle, yet still no substance, savant sir. But I must say, it's a brilliant strategy. Imaginary creators and beings that exist solely in the minds of those convinced they're real… and somehow, that belief becomes so intense they argue, despise, and even kill each other over whose invisible friend wins the cosmic hide and seek game.

Even more impressive, followers of the same imaginary being manage to split into warring camps over who’s interpreting the fiction correctly. A true circus act. You definitely deserve that Nobel Prize. When’s the peer-reviewed study coming out, sir? We should title "I don't know or understand ergo my favourite imaginary friend did it". What do you think 😄.

Substance? What other substance again can anyone give to someone who cannot see this whole universe. Only replying epistles back to your epistles.
An imaginary creator who could create a tangible universe as this, deserves to live rent free in everyone's head, still noble and truthful choice, than threading a ridiculous path of self-deception and denial, employing unending, counterintuitive jargons to validate the impossible.
What followers choose to do or not do is personal preferences and lifestyles, still doesn't change anything about the truth of the universe. It is what it is and nothing can change anything about it.

Magnificenttop:
Substance? What other substance again can anyone give to someone who cannot see this whole universe. Only replying epistles back to your epistles.
An imaginary creator who could create a tangible universe as this, deserves to live rent free in everyone's head, still noble and truthful choice, than threading a ridiculous path of self-deception and denial, employing unending, counterintuitive jargons to validate the impossible.
What followers choose to do or not do is personal preferences and lifestyles, still doesn't change anything about the truth of the universe. It is what it is and nothing can change anything about it.

Baseless assertions backed by baseless assertions. Thankfully objective reality doesn't work that way. Empty claims would remain empty claims until substantiated which your favourite imaginary friends would never be. There's a fine reason it's belief, faith nd not fact. Says it all. 😌

Lucifyre:
Baseless assertions backed by baseless assertions. Thankfully objective reality doesn't work that way. Empty claims would remain empty claims until substantiated which your favourite imaginary friends would never be. There's a fine reason it's belief, faith nd not fact. Says it all. 😌

Thankfully, objective reality and sound logic support the imaginary friend.
While nothing supports the no-God jargon, convention doesn't support it, not even science. It's baseless, illogical and counterintuitive.
It's faith only in religious context, doesn't apply to the material universe.
No matter how we twist it, the imaginary friend always win.

Magnificenttop:
Thankfully, objective reality and sound logic support the imaginary friend.
While nothing supports the no-God jargon, convention doesn't support it, not even science. It's baseless, illogical and counterintuitive.
It's faith only in religious context, doesn't apply to the material universe.
No matter how we twist it, the imaginary friend always win.

Baseless assertions backed by baseless assertions.

Lucifyre:
Baseless assertions backed by baseless assertions.

That actually applies way more to your side. In addition to being illogical, counterintuitive among others. Not also forgetting how ridiculous and lame it is.
A common nail-clipper needed designer/design/intelligence/mind and more but the whole universe existed by itself. The idea is so dvmb, even without further probe, it immediately crumbles at the very start of it.

Magnificenttop:
That actually applies way more to your side. In addition to being illogical, counterintuitive among others. Not also forgetting how ridiculous and lame it is.
A common nail-clipper needed designer/design/intelligence/mind and more but the whole universe existed by itself. The idea is so dvmb, even without further probe, it immediately crumbles at the very start of it.

🥱🥱 Yes yes, publish the paper with the plethora of evidence backing up the claims to collect that Nobel prize you so rightly deserve. Should be quite straightforward and easy seeing as it's absolutely valid 😄

Lucifyre:
🥱🥱 Yes yes, publish the paper with the plethora of evidence backing up the claims to collect that Nobel prize you so rightly deserve. Should be quite straightforward and easy seeing as it's absolutely valid 😄

Not so Sir Hawking. You lot often forget that you're at the receiving end here, you chose to be. You're the one challenging logic, convention, sanity and common-sense. So, go ahead and do everything you said in your reply. World is waiting. You're all some good source of comic relief, we're not tired of your lame bs.

Magnificenttop:
Not so Sir Hawking. You lot often forget that you're at the receiving end here, you chose to be. You're the one challenging logic, convention, sanity and common-sense. So, go ahead and do everything you said in your reply. World is waiting. You're all some good source of comic relief, we're not tired of your lame bs.

🤣🤣 You can't publish the paper, I though it was pretty straightforward with the numerous epistles. Baseless af. 🤡

Lucifyre:
🤣🤣 You can't publish the paper, I though it was pretty straightforward with the numerous epistles. Baseless af. 🤡

Anonymous secretly drops gift basket at doorstep.
🤡: No trace of any owner, infinite regression, the hamper made itself bla bla bla
Me: Even a toddler would know someone dropped it there
🤡: Since it's that easy and straightforward, publish the paper to backup your claim.
🤦💀 wtaf

Magnificenttop:
Anonymous secretly drops gift basket at doorstep.
🤡: No trace of any owner, infinite regression, the hamper made itself bla bla bla
Me: Even a toddler would know someone dropped it there
🤡: Since it's that easy and straightforward, publish the paper to backup your claim.
🤦💀 wtaf

🤣 Never have i seen a genius run away from an easy nobel prize. All's not lost though you still get the waffle maker prize, for waffling baseless & boring circular epistles 🧇. When I said your genius is way beyond me... 😁🤡. Enjoy your prize, you deserve it savant sir.

Lucifyre:
🤣 Never have i seen a genius run away from an easy nobel prize. All's not lost though you still get the waffle maker prize, for waffling baseless & boring circular epistles 🧇. When I said your genius is way beyond me... 😁🤡. Enjoy your prize, you deserve it savant sir.

🤡: Boring circular epistles and baseless assumption af. The paper is simply going to exist all by itself and publish itself then it'll collect the nobel prize, the waffle maker prize and any other, all by itself. It's that simple and straightforward bla blu bla blah.

Magnificenttop:
🤡: Boring circular epistles and baseless assumption af. The paper is simply going to exist all by itself and publish itself then it'll collect the nobel prize, the waffle maker prize and any other, all by itself. It's that simple and straightforward bla blu bla blah.

Have we run out of waffles so quick. Aww! That's sad or nairaland's bot keeps eating ur waffles. Even the bot's tired of nairaland's resident genius. Kindly say hi to your imaginary creators friends for me. 😉 Tell them I’m a huge fan of their so-called intelligent design especially the part where: 99.9% of all species that ever lived were wiped out, 99.999999% of the intelligently designed universe is completely uninhabitable.

And the one tiny habitable speck they did create?! Packed with volcanoes, hurricanes, tsunamis, parasites, viruses, disease, predators, famine, multiple natural disasters, and just enough oxygen to slowly kill us over a few decades. Brilliant just brilliant. But my favorite touch? The one where most animals don’t even survive to adulthood with over 60% dilying young. So practical. So merciful. So... intelligent.

Also particularly love the self destruct feature of the only habitable planet to be swallowed by it's star. Tell em I said thank you for sending their best - the savant himself - forward to defend their work, he did well. Truly outstanding all round. It's been a fun experience.

Lucifyre:
Have we run out of waffles so quick. Aww! That's sad or nairaland's bot keeps eating ur waffles. Even the bot's tired of nairaland's resident genius. Kindly say hi to your imaginary creators friends for me. 😉 Tell them I’m a huge fan of their so-called intelligent design especially the part where: 99.9% of all species that ever lived were wiped out, 99.999999% of the intelligently designed universe is completely uninhabitable.

And the one tiny habitable speck they did create?! Packed with volcanoes, hurricanes, tsunamis, parasites, viruses, disease, predators, famine, multiple natural disasters, and just enough oxygen to slowly kill us over a few decades. Brilliant just brilliant. But my favorite touch? The one where most animals don’t even survive to adulthood with over 60% dilying young. So practical. So merciful. So... intelligent.

Also particularly love the self destruct feature of the only habitable planet to be swallowed by it's star. Tell em I said thank you for sending their best - the savant himself - forward to defend their work, he did well. Truly outstanding all round. It's been a fun experience.

Long, boring, circular epistle from Prof. Hawking. Baseless, no substance.
🤡 Initially: We know how something works, means no maker.
🤡 Now: 99.9999% gadgets and all others get faulty, spoilt and unusable, we always have to repair and dispose them. Automobiles also injure and kill people. Therefore no designers or makers.

Oh wait! Holy sheeeit! My breakfast just made itself and emerged right on the dining table. I can't seem to comprehend what the flying fafo is going on right here! 🤡🤦

Magnificenttop:
Long, boring, circular epistle from Prof. Hawking. Baseless, no substance.
🤡 Initially: We know how something works, means no maker.
🤡 Now: 99.9999% gadgets and all others get faulty, spoilt and unusable, we always have to repair and dispose them. Automobiles also injure and kill people. Therefore no designers or makers.

Oh wait! Holy sheeeit! My breakfast just made itself and emerged right on the dining table. I can't seem to comprehend what the flying fafo is going on right here! 🤡🤦

Man, I was half hoping Nairaland’s resident savant would shock me with something not pulled straight from Mythology for Cavemen. But hey, expecting 2 to become an odd number was probably more realistic. 😄

You’re right though—trees, stars, and tectonic plates clearly came out of the same kitchen as your breakfast.
Truly enlightening. Got any more CERN-level revelations for me, Savant Sir?!😁

Lucifyre:
Man, I was half hoping Nairaland’s resident savant would shock me with something not pulled straight from Mythology for Cavemen. But hey, expecting 2 to become an odd number was probably more realistic. 😄

You’re right though—trees, stars, and tectonic plates clearly came out of the same kitchen as your breakfast.
Truly enlightening. Got any more CERN-level revelations for me, Savant Sir?!😁

Highly impressed. I always knew it, for anyone out of the blues, to strongly reject established convention, norm and sound logic, then firmly hold onto an opposing stand, he must have really got extraordinary proofs and indisputable grounds.
Since we know how cars work, they injure and also kill people, then they definitely made themselves. Hmmm, indisputable facts, very rare intelligence and extraordinary logic. 💯 You're such a genius.

I don't know about the rest of the world but here in Zalawullha county, my spring-loaded door now closes all by itself. Seems we finally shrunk the god of the gaps. 🤦🤡

Magnificenttop:
Highly impressed. I always knew it, for anyone out of the blues, to strongly reject established convention, norm and sound logic, then firmly hold onto an opposing stand, he must have really got extraordinary proofs and indisputable grounds.
Since we know how cars work, they injure and also kill people, then they definitely made themselves. Hmmm, indisputable facts, very rare intelligence and extraordinary logic. 💯 You're such a genius.

I don't know about the rest of the world but here in Zalawullha county, my spring-loaded door now closes all by itself. Seems we finally shrunk the god of the gaps. 🤦🤡

See what i ate for breakfast 🤣 Tastes great but smells like irony.

Lucifyre:
See what i ate for breakfast 🤣 Tastes great but smells like irony.

Enjoy. You earned it.
People invalidate dvmb, then validate common sense but you've successfully achieved the reverse. Through "extraordinary/indisputable" proofs, you've been able to invalidate logic and common sense, then validate dvmb and dvmber. Really smells like irony. You're such a genius.
Right now, my dog barks by itself, refrigerator freezes things by itself and everything else works by itself, no maker, no designer.
Like I said, you've shrunken the god of the gaps. You finally won this. Big W.

Magnificenttop:
Enjoy. You earned it.
People invalidate dvmb, then validate common sense but you've successfully achieved the reverse. Through "extraordinary/indisputable" proofs, you've been able to invalidate logic and common sense, then validate dvmb and dvmber. Really smells like irony. You're such a genius.
Right now, my dog barks by itself, refrigerator freezes things by itself and everything else works by itself, no maker, no designer.
Like I said, you've shrunken the god of the gaps. You finally won this. Big W.

🥱🥱🥱 🤡

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